Guild Wars 2

speedbox.1473:

bojangles.6912:

speedbox.1473:

Maybe because there’s nothing to announce yet .

But according to people here, ANet is always releasing announcements and content weekly. Hmmmm.

weekly ?! you are misinformed , it’s more like 30 days before a content/announcement for content is released from what i know

You missed my sarcasm. I was saying there are people here on the forums who go on and on about saying how ANet is always giving announcements and content weekly. I have seen it here and on other mmo games forums.

This is by far the worst leveling system in an MMO that I have seen. You get 1 heart quest which is like a normal type quest as you will, then the rest is farming events in that zone. There are always the same 3 event styles for all zones too. Protect/Escort, Hold off the enemy, kill a boss. Extremely repetitive.

Please don’t say you can pvp, craft, etc. Not everyone likes to do those things. It is so easy to complete a zone 3+ levels below what you should be. I finished the lvl 22 zone or where the lvl 22 zone starts (forgot which way) but I was level 17. So I couldn’t do my story quest and had to either keep farming 5 levels of the same events or have to travel to a whole new 1-10+ zone to keep leveling. Sorry but some people don’t want to have to go to a whole new zone to catch up.

That’s like having to go from Elwyn forest to the gnome starting zone.

Either way all mmo’s quest system seems the same, but at least it works and it gets you to level and be zone ready for each zone.

speedbox.1473:

Maybe because there’s nothing to announce yet .

But according to people here, ANet is always releasing announcements and content weekly. Hmmmm.

Cowrex.9564:

bojangles.6912:

xiv.7136:

Kakeru.2873:

xiv.7136:

I have fun every day in GW2.

There will be no new MMO that will beat it, quite simply.

Putting hopes on TESO is a major mistake guys, it’s exactly like SWTOR – an untested team with no experience cashing in on a major franchise (morrowind to skyrim).

And this folks is the definition of a fanboy. One who equates to thinking.

Game X > Game Y > Game Z rather than Game X + Game Y + Game Z. People like you are the reason that the gaming industry is changing for the bad, your shortsighted fanboy eyes, ruin every game that isn’t the one your pledge your alligence to.

There are amazing MMOS coming out in the future.

Black Desert http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNtB5DoJ6OI
ArcheAge http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jjg-TLBTZXg#t=165s
Elder Scrolls Online http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlEipFtHw7o
Wild Star

Really? Those are really minor games with the exception of TESO. You’re talking about games like Tera or TSW there. I’ve played nearly every major MMO that has come out in the last decade, and I can tell you it’s very clear when big things happen.

When WoW came out, that was a big deal. It was so much better than EQ – and yet EQ had its fanboys who defended it to the hilt. The same happened with GW2, it’s a huge leap forward compared to old MMOs, not because everything it does is new but because it ties in all those ideas into a great package, just like WoW did.

Anyway – Elder Scrolls. TESO says you can steal objects in the game world. See crafting mats you need? You can steal it?

Really? Think about that for a moment, an entire server of people able to steal things. There will be nothing on any table in Tamriel within 20 minutes of the servers being switched on.

It’s stuff like that which I find alarming about TESO. It’s being developed by Zenimax (very EA-like company) and not Bethesda (geniuses behind Skyrim etc), and they are marketing it with the same obvious bull that EA used for SWTOR.

GW2 has stayed within reasonable limits. It doesn’t do tank/healer/dps trinity, and has replaced it with a more organic tanky/glass/support type structure. It has dynamic events that allow the game world to “change” but not in impossible ways like TESO would have you believe.

Just be careful about hype. We know what bad hype is: SWTOR, Diablo 3, etc. Compared to those, GW2 has managed to keep a structured MMO game with a great metagame, while also making a lot of cool innovations that actually work within the game.

TESO is full of pipe dreams, and literally no reality to them at all.

You seem new to mmo’s. You say be careful of the hype like SWTOR? LOL Look at GW2 and its hype. Even worse. The best was when the fanbois kept posting GW2 won game of the year and all this yet GW2 never did win GotY. All hype no delivery.

On the contrary, GW2 won a MMO of the Year award and PC Game of the year award from IGN. Not to mention it also won two Goty awards from MMORPG and Massively. It was also Time’s #1 video game or you could say Game of the year. While not being in major Goty awards like the VGAs. This MMO achieved so many awards.

IGN PC Game of the year?? WOW that means a lot especially the competition it had. If WoW, Half-Life, Diablo 2, GW2 etc. all came out at the same time, GW2 wouldn’t even be in the top 5. Also I bet if Elder Scrolls came out last year, it would have beaten GW2 as well. Just because a game wins an award doesn’t make it the best game ever or to date. Look at some of the academy award winning movies. A lot of them people never liked or saw.

GW2 also lost some big awards that actually matter too.

You thinking just because it won some awards from something that doesn’t matter is like receiving tons of participation awards for sports.

Hickeroar.9734:

aocypher.9172:

I played GW1 and I still find GW2 entertaining.

My brothers, however, who were more hardcore GW1 players than me (ie: they both vanquished all the zones, my little brother has the “GWAMM title” – farmed for hundreds of hours with his 55hp monk), don’t really play. They complain about how long it takes to level, and how bad the combat system is.

Ugh. Bad combat? This game has some of the most fun combat of any game I’ve played at all, let alone an MMO…

And how long it takes to level? I leveled to 80 in a week and a half. Most MMOs will take you up to months to hit their max level, especially with your first toon. GW1 allowed you to get to its abysmally tiny max level in a matter of HOURS…which is just flat-out stupid.

Your brothers’ excuses are kinda….silly.

Why are his brothers’ excuses silly? Just because YOU disagree with him? Sorry but the combat is nothing special and actually not even all that. There are quite a few other combat systems better than GW2 as well. So your reasons are kinda…..silly.

Oh to add not sure what mmo’s you are playing that take months to level but I have played SWG, UO, EQ2, WoW, Aion, Warhammer, LotR, Tera, Rift, TSW, STO, ToR, and AoC and none of these took months to hit max level. Please don’t make up lies and excuses.

taomang.2183:

This is a huge reason of why the majority of players who left – left. But don’t bother trying to explain, since most of people in these forums are holier than thou and if they don’t feel like you do, you must be either wrong or just plain stupid, because they are playing the game the right way and simply didn’t encounter this in all of their 2000h of gameplay time.

This is so true. Here and Tera are the 2 mmo’s out of all the ones I played that have a community like that. Anyone who says anything negative about their game will jump on them so fast. Yes there are other communities that aren’t super, but never came across one as bad as here and Tera.

What cracks me up are the people here who say there is always so much to do in GW2 yet they will be the first to say how bored they are or how there is nothing to do on the “other mmos” yet everything they said you can do you here, you can do the same on other mmo’s. Alts, craft, raid, pvp, etc.

Avatar.1923:

level up an alt.
maybe the magic will start again.

otherwise grind for gold and tokens!
i want my priory weapons and crucible or eternity armor.

but i havent finished my personal story, nor fougt a big dragon yet.
maybe ill start frostgorge sound..
still havent done any pvp or wvwvw…

man, i dont even know where to START

/age
275h

Why do people always say, “Level up an alt”, when threads like this come up? So basically you are telling them to re-do all the same content you already did doing a different class. WOW how fun! Sorry but not everyone is into making alts, and after a few months of release and to keep from being bored you should make an alt?

I like the other part you said. “Grind for gold and tokens.” Thought people said there is no “grind” in this game. lol

@OP yes the game has been at a halt for awhile now. Having little events like this Christmas one is just fluff. I personally thought it was boring. I don’t play Rift but hear they have been doing a great job lately. Also WoW even pumps out more content and enjoyable stuff compared to this.

If you have to make an alt to just have content then that says a lot about a game.

xiv.7136:

Kakeru.2873:

xiv.7136:

I have fun every day in GW2.

There will be no new MMO that will beat it, quite simply.

Putting hopes on TESO is a major mistake guys, it’s exactly like SWTOR – an untested team with no experience cashing in on a major franchise (morrowind to skyrim).

And this folks is the definition of a fanboy. One who equates to thinking.

Game X > Game Y > Game Z rather than Game X + Game Y + Game Z. People like you are the reason that the gaming industry is changing for the bad, your shortsighted fanboy eyes, ruin every game that isn’t the one your pledge your alligence to.

There are amazing MMOS coming out in the future.

Black Desert http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNtB5DoJ6OI
ArcheAge http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jjg-TLBTZXg#t=165s
Elder Scrolls Online http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlEipFtHw7o
Wild Star

Really? Those are really minor games with the exception of TESO. You’re talking about games like Tera or TSW there. I’ve played nearly every major MMO that has come out in the last decade, and I can tell you it’s very clear when big things happen.

When WoW came out, that was a big deal. It was so much better than EQ – and yet EQ had its fanboys who defended it to the hilt. The same happened with GW2, it’s a huge leap forward compared to old MMOs, not because everything it does is new but because it ties in all those ideas into a great package, just like WoW did.

Anyway – Elder Scrolls. TESO says you can steal objects in the game world. See crafting mats you need? You can steal it?

Really? Think about that for a moment, an entire server of people able to steal things. There will be nothing on any table in Tamriel within 20 minutes of the servers being switched on.

It’s stuff like that which I find alarming about TESO. It’s being developed by Zenimax (very EA-like company) and not Bethesda (geniuses behind Skyrim etc), and they are marketing it with the same obvious bull that EA used for SWTOR.

GW2 has stayed within reasonable limits. It doesn’t do tank/healer/dps trinity, and has replaced it with a more organic tanky/glass/support type structure. It has dynamic events that allow the game world to “change” but not in impossible ways like TESO would have you believe.

Just be careful about hype. We know what bad hype is: SWTOR, Diablo 3, etc. Compared to those, GW2 has managed to keep a structured MMO game with a great metagame, while also making a lot of cool innovations that actually work within the game.

TESO is full of pipe dreams, and literally no reality to them at all.

You seem new to mmo’s. You say be careful of the hype like SWTOR? LOL Look at GW2 and its hype. Even worse. The best was when the fanbois kept posting GW2 won game of the year and all this yet GW2 never did win GotY. All hype no delivery.

xiv.7136:

GW2 is still is by far the best MMO on the market. And growing from a solid base.

Elder Scrolls online is going to be a disaster, it’s not the same team that made Morrowind/Skyrim/etc, it’s a new team of randoms, just like they did with SWTOR (it wasn’t Bioware people, it was randoms brought in by EA).

Sorry false and please do try and make opinion fact. It is growing. Since 1 month after launch, the people that logged on from day to now has gone down significantly. You are delusional if you think otherwise. So how is it growing when in fact it is declining?

GW2 isn’t the best mmo on the market sorry. If you want to look at sub base we all know how still dominates. Otherwise GW2 is a been there done that game which isn’t even all that great. Funny how after a couple months of release they completely lied how their game was going to be and now headed a different direction. Only took a couple of months too hmmmm.

I would rate GW2 at the bottom with Warhammer, Aion, Tera and AoC

Altariel.4610:

The game is alive.

these photos are from yesterday.

So many ppl at a single event in mid of game.

PVE MAP lvl 35-40
WvWvW with my elementalist lvl 80

WvWvW this picture is when the population is low and no queues, because my computer cant hold to many ppl, So I try to play when it’s empty

Cool. Your server has some people on. Not that many in a zone like that though. I can do screen shots of ToR and WoW and even Aion and it has a lot more people in a similar type zone.

If I cared about the game I could have done screen shots on the GW2 server I’m on and you would have seen 1 person.

To start with please don’t make up statistics. Where did you come up with 80%? There are just as many positive posts as well.

2nd you answered your own question. In-game means people are playing something they like for the most part. Why would people who hate the game at its current state waste time logging in playing? If you went to a restaurant and hated the food and service would you keep going back? No. But you would post about it on Yelp and other places and likely their website if they had forums in hopes they get better.

Mackdose.6504:

bojangles.6912:

TurtleofPower.5641:

Congrats. I’ve been a gamer for ~25 years and GW2 is imo the model for state of the art online game. It’s a good time to game and ANet deserves credit.

I’ve been a pc/console gamer for more than 25 years and GW2 is imo not the model at all for the state of the art online gaming. There is a reason WoW hit 13 mil and GW2 hasn’t even hit 2-3+ mil in box sales and I seriously doubt there are even over a mil active players.

It hit 1 million pre-purchases in April, then sold 2 mil at release. it has since had strong sales through December according to NCsoft sales data.

To the previous replies from you and Socks:

Both you and Socks fail to realize that piecemeal features from other games doesn’t diminish the fact that GW2 covers all of those features in one package, which was my point.

SWToR hit over that in pre-sales also. Your point?

GW2 does not cover all those features in one package and that is your opinion only. So please don’t try and tell me and others what we fail to realize when you fail to realize how blah and ordinary and nothing new and groundbreaking GW2 is.

TurtleofPower.5641:

Congrats. I’ve been a gamer for ~25 years and GW2 is imo the model for state of the art online game. It’s a good time to game and ANet deserves credit.

I’ve been a pc/console gamer for more than 25 years and GW2 is imo not the model at all for the state of the art online gaming. There is a reason WoW hit 13 mil and GW2 hasn’t even hit 2-3+ mil in box sales and I seriously doubt there are even over a mil active players.

@SniffyCube that is great you enjoy the game but your OP was a little off. The botting you make it sound like the devs jumped right in and fixed the problem when in fact that is not how it was at all. They took a long time to address this and when they started to, LOTS of innocent people were getting banned too. That to me doesn’t sound like they did a good job. And like I said, this wasn’t address in a timely manor and there are still botters.

The class balancing thing has been an issue since launch. They did not step up to this either in a timely manor.

@Mackdose – “Such as? Don’t say “grind” because the grind in GW2 is faaaar less than other MMOs of late.”

Nope sorry. GW2 is a HUGE grind and the amount of hours you need to put in. Doing dallies in WoW takes a lot less time and it doesn’t take much to get to revered which is all you need if you “want” the gear. Maybe two tops for your profession recipes. To say GW2 is faaaaaaar less is a joke.

@Obly

“How about new mechanics, and groundbreaking new look and feels about ancient aspects of MMO’s?”

Sorry but this is a completely false statement and nothing is groundbreaking about GW2. There is no question the graphics look nice but isn’t anything groundbreaking. The rest of that quote is just nonsense.

Mackdose.6504:

Socks.4159:

So tell me, what is it that GW2 did so much better than the competition that meant it should receive an award? I honestly can’t think of any features it brought out that were significantly better and it doesn’t win on overall IMHO – though I couldn’t actually say who should.

1. I can take 5 of any class and complete any content.
2. It doesn’t take 3 months to hit level cap.
3. It doesn’t take 2 months after cap to hit the gear ceiling
4. It emphasizes cooperation over competition in PvE
5. Ad hoc grouping
6. Overflow Servers
7. Event chains that affect game play if left to propagate
8. Interesting combat mechanics (Complexity != Depth)
9. 3 fully supported game modes
10. No subscription fee.

Sorry but this is false as well. This is not done better here and actually already been done before.

1) I can take 5 of any other class in any other mmo and see all the content as well.

2) Ummm haven’t seen a mmo game yet that takes 3 months to max level.

3) See #2 but replace the 3 months to 2.

4) True and false for this but for the worse. GW2 at times you NEED cooperative play to grind events which after a month of release if you start playing now, it is going to be difficult to complete many events while leveling. Also pve is a competition being this game turned into what it said it wouldn’t do.

6) Overflow servers? Sorry but ToR does it better and at least you don’t keep getting this annoying window saying join overflow or saying are you ready all the time. ToR’s overflow system is better and allows people to still phase over to your overflow.

7) The event chains are extremely repetitive and boring. Many other games do it better and even WoW’s phasing after doing quest chains and how the world changes blows GW2’s even chains out of the water.

8) The combat mechanics are anything but interesting. So few skills and needing certain weapons to do different things is horrible imo.

9) 3 supported game modes?

10) No sub fee is a good thing but sorry they aren’t the first to do it either. In fact the f2p games give you the game for free also. You still need to buy GW2.

There was no competition in 2012 at all. Someone even showed a list of some of the games and that was a laughable list. All the hype and anticipation for this game is why it won since there was nothing really else. Diablo 3 was a huge let down and had they done it right and how D2 and D1 was, D3 would have easily won it.

kRiza krimos.1637:

Game is barely 4 months old and you want a new content? Like a big expansion every 3 months just so you can sit 24/7 online and have something to do? And if it could be for free…
Every other decent MMO pumps out new content no sooner than once a year. Every other MMO that is aiming to grab some of your $$ is putting out more of same every few months. Which would be better?

Other mmo’s seem to have had no problems with big content updates within 4 months of launch. Just sayin. Holiday events are just candy that goes away after a certain time.

Scourge.4317:

It’s true but some people on this forum like to exaggerate things. Every mmo has you grinding some instance for gear or grinding out materials for crafting or grinding out some pvp instance for currency to buy armor. I wouldn’t even call this game a grind because it extremely easy to obtain things here minus the legendary weapons. But those are suppose to take a while to get just like Obsidian took a while to get in GW Prophecies.

I like how you say minus legendary weapons because that is a huge part of the game. Exotics and the new stuff are all going to be a huge grind as well. Also people seem to have to keep farming dungeons. That is called a grind.

So I have no clue what game you are playing but GW2 is a huge grind.

Walle.6087:

I agree all games do have a grind.

GW1
– Had an acceptable grind
– Players were able to get max level stats and play everything in the game with their friends rather quickly.
– Armor was about looks not stats.
– We were able to have as many alternate characters as we wanted.

GW2
– Unacceptable grind, I find it more like a Korean MMO rather and a Western AAA title.
– We are now grinding for gear and stats.
– making harder to level alternate characters.

“Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games.”
- Mike Obrien

^ exactly. People keep forgetting that quote down there about “not make grindy games” yet GW2 is a huge grind fest.

I know all mmo’s have a grind but to lie and say “your game” isn’t grindy is just ridiculous.

AdelaisAer.4109:

Maybe it’s my server, then – I am on Tarnished Coast.

EDIT: Also, I am talkative and social. I don’t expect people to magically come to me.

Nope not just your server. People here still can’t handle the fact that population in general has decreased significantly since launch. Yes some servers will be very active and some are dead. Just like all the other mmo’s including WoW. GW2 is no different but also has a lot less servers.

Telling people to transfer is a ridiculous solution. Why should people have keep doing this?

Made a new toon on another server to see and this was at 6pm prime time on a Wed. Starter zone saw maybe 4-5 people. Yep the servers sure are packed.

Ponder.3647:

Addice.3852:

Bruno Sardine.2907:

Ponder.3647:

LHound.8964:

Sciva.4865:

Someone posts a positive thread and the doom mongers jump right in. You lot are delusional.

LOL. Quote for truth!

Don’t like the way it’s done? GTFO!

^ This. Just quit and come back when these terrible and awful game-breaking issues are fixed. Your negativity is not productive.

Actually, comments that provide no context of what specifically Anet did a good/bad job with as well as ad hominem comments are not productive… Like the one I’m currently engaging in.

I did like some of the profession tweaks (those who got them) and some fixes… I think it’s fair to say that we shouldn’t expect any major sweeping changes until the big patch update coming in Jan/Feb.

This.

If you had every comment that was positive that would stunt growth or fixes for the game. People should voice out their displeasure with certain aspects of the game, but they should do it in a constructive manner. It does not help when all people do is fan boy faun at the game when there are obvious issues that should be mentioned. The delusional ones are the ones that think everything is perfect when it is not.

I am in no way against criticism, as long as it’s constructive. It’s far too common for people to “complain” about an issue in a manner that’s not productive at all. “It’s not what you say, but how you say it,” applies. Perhaps I was feeling particularly fanboi defensive after having spent some time in the Engineer forums. :P There are indeed issues that can be addressed. Particularly the culling, WvW queue times, Engineers, etc.

But I bet you have no problems with people then posting or making threads saying, “This game rocks!” or “This is better then <insert mmo here>”. How are those productive? Or does it only apply to criticism or whichever suits your needs?

marnick.4305:

So for all the things that are wrong with GW2, it still is the best MMO launch as of yet. Compliments to a.net and good luck on the incremental improvements to the game.

Nope. Rift and ToR’s launches were better. GW2 wasn’t bad, but not the best to date. But then again you may have only played WoW and Aion and yeah those launches were bad.

Nayru.3947:

If anyone thinks the population is growing/ solid they are deluded

Exactly. But watch out though. The fanbois will argue to no end that the population is packed on all servers 24/7

This game is far from solid. Loooooong way to go.

Creslin.1758:

bojangles.6912:

Bearhugger.4326:

It’s a well deserved award, if only because, for once, we have a game that mostly lived up to the hype.

Although I’m disappointed that Torchlight II was not even nominated.

Sorry, didn’t even come close to the hype. Tell that to the many people who left the game within a month after launch. Failed game is fail.

Can I ask…does it physically hurt you to see GW2 win GOTY accolades? Or just emotionally hurt?

Yeah I am hurt over a PC goty where its competition was basically like the 0-16 Lions. You seem mad that this game was extremely over-hyped and ended up failing as “the next mmo”. Maybe GW3 will live up to the hype since this one failed so bad. Sorry that an 8 yr old mmo’s expansion can still outsell a brand new mmo like GW2. I bet that is why you are so upset.

Bearhugger.4326:

It’s a well deserved award, if only because, for once, we have a game that mostly lived up to the hype.

Although I’m disappointed that Torchlight II was not even nominated.

Sorry, didn’t even come close to the hype. Tell that to the many people who left the game within a month after launch. Failed game is fail.

xiv.7136:

And another game of the year award for GW2 xD

But really, it beat out really good games like ME3 (shame about that ending), XCOM, Dishonoured (too easy) and TWD, all of which were among the highlights of the year (Torchlight 2 should be in that list also) – so very good result there

I’m also glad all the over-hyped trash this year like Diablo3, Halo4, CODblops2, WoW MOP, and AC3 got denied.

Richly deserved win GW2, congrats to Anet once again

Hahah you said over-hyped trash and didn’t include GW2. This games was the most over-hyped and trash of all. MoP was not over-hyped because Cata was so terrible and MoP actually ended up being pretty good.

Oh it also outsold GW2 (the brand new end all to all mmo’s, the game that will revolutionize the mmo genre, the ground breaking never seen before stuff in an mmo almighty game). If there was an over-hyped and failed game award it would go to GW2.

LOL nice competition it had too. I bet The Elder Scrolls Online will even outsell GW2.

Only thing I agree about is the Art award. Definitely is a great looking game. Too bad the rest sucks.

Hickeroar.9734:

bojangles.6912:

Enthilzha.1856:

So, Guild Wars 2 has now gone to the top of the PC download charts once more, beating pre-orders for Tomb Raider, Far-Cry 3 and more (no pandas to be seen!).

http://m.pcgamer.com/2012/12/14/resurgent-guild-wars-2-tops-pc-download-chart

Not bad for a game months after it’s release.

Also, not bad for the ‘dying’ game we hear so much about.

So congratulations Anet for creating a wonderful and successful game.

The game may not be perfect, it may be frustrating at times – but it is still a pleasure to play and I am looking forward to where Anet will take GW2 in the future.

MoP expansion sold more then GW2 did at launch. Not bad for a an 8 year old game against the “Second coming of MMO’s and the almighty GW2”.

From GW2 launch to now the number of people logging in has declined rapidly. And no one said the game was dying but there are plenty of servers where it is like a ghost town and if you go off of the “server status” then that says it all because those are about characters made on that server not people logged in.

Oh and a side note, if you played mmo for awhile you would know expansions don’t keep growing a lot once they are released. GW2 once they release an expansion will have the same thing. Sell a lot then drop off faster then the original game. MoP still sold more then GW2 which is funny.

Uh…I think your statistics are wrong. I’ve read that MoP had only sold 600k copies at launch, which is a massive decrease compared to previous numbers.

GW2 had a couple million out the gate.

You might want to do some research before telling someone who knows the facts they are in correct. 2.7 mil. 600k??? Not even close. Oh and that was 2.7 mil the first week.

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/world-of-warcraft-mmorpg/world-of-warcraft-news/over-10-million/

Enthilzha.1856:

This is exactly what I was trying to say (but far less eloquently) that I feel GW2 has done in the present day. WoW was never revolutionary in it’s ideas etc. What changed the genre was that it took everything good at the time, and put it in a very shiny, well produced and implemented package…just as I believe GW2 has done.

As for sPVP… that’s the one part of the game I haven’t done so I can’t really comment!

For the first part you said “WoW was never revolutionary in it’s ideas” which imo is incorrect because they made end game raiding revolutionary to where it has become a huge part in mmos now. I know games like EQ1 had it and was a huge grind, but look at what they did with Vanilla and BC. The subs jumped up that high because of this, or at least a huge part in it. Not only did you have to work and spend time to get attuned for that raid, but the raid itself was amazing and revolutionary.

Look at: MC, BWL, ZG, Kara, AQ40, AQ20, Naxx40, Sunwell, BT, SSC, TK. There are a couple other good ones after BC but just saying since we are talking about the beginning. WoW revolutionized end game raiding imo. To me revolutionize doesn’t need to mean brand new and never seen before, but even to take something which was ok or good to make it even better. So I guess you can argue that WoW didn’t do this because some may use the term revolutionary to mean ground break never seen before which probably won’t happen for awhile although ToR was the first to do an all voice over game.

Enthilzha.1856:

Bojangles… I would personally not go back to WoW after playing GW2…but as you rightly say – to each his own! If you prefer another game, that is fine and our differences are what make the world so interesting!

I am certainly not trying to suggest one game is better than another though – even though my personal preference is pretty clear.

I completely agree that GW2 is not a revolution and that pretty much everything in-game has been done before. Like WoW when it first emerged, GW2 for me simply implements all the new ideas in the genre in a much more refined way and in a complete package.

Btw, I have no idea what you meant by flies and boobs etc!

Btw

LOL that boobs on a fly thing was meant because it is pointless and doesn’t mean anything like that stat. Back in HS one of my football coaches who was in the military used to use that phrase a lot and was funny. Except he didn’t say boobs heheh.

The one thing though with WoW was it took things from other MMO’s (which was then there weren’t many to choose from like there is now) and did the good parts even better and left out the bad things. They made an mmo that had a very easy learning curve compared to like UO. Games like that kept people away because it was hard. WoW’s end game is the best to date and there is no way ANY mmo will come close to how it was. That is a huge part in todays mmo’s. It shows because GW2 said there is no type of end game yet they are making end game by having these dungeons. It is only a matter of time before there is a 10/25 man type raid in GW2 and will have upgraded gear in them.

It is just sad they don’t spend this much time to fix the pvp and actually make that end of things fun and ground breaking because after all, I thought, like I have stated before, GW2 was supposed to be pvp focused and not pve like it is now. And hate to say it, but for me GW2 pve is horrible. The only enjoyable part for me is the graphics.

Peetee.9406:

bojangles.6912:

You can say this for EVERY mmo game. If you don’t get those Fractals/Legendary then you are behind and will likely be kicked from groups for things and won’t be able to progress later. Just like EVERY MMO. GW2 has nothing new to offer. Why do you think they completely changed what they told us about this game? Reminds me of SWG how the game was one way and then completely changed to try and keep up. GW2 is doing the same exact thing.

Haven’t seen anything new or ground breaking and revolutionary yet like this game was hyped to do. At least ToR brought back the RPG part of the mmoRPG and make incredible storylines with voice overs and options instead of just clicking a quest giver and not even reading the quest and clicking accept asap so you can get going.

Where? Where are these groups kicking you out for not having legendaries? And if there is such a group, which I doubt, it’s probably a poor group to be in anyway. If you want to be taken seriously, quit exaggerating.

GW2 has plenty new to offer, maybe not completely new, but redone better. The whole idea alone that you can do anything in the game in just blue gear is new and that is the games biggest selling point.

Ok please tell me what is new and ground breaking and not done before. I am dying to find out. The only thing I guess you can say is their questing system but that is the worst part of this game. Horrible questing system. Grind the same 3 events non stop till you level for the next zone isn’t my idea of cutting edge and fun. And please don’t tell me to craft because if you add that as something you need to do to level says it all.

Peetee.9406:

Gehenna.3625:

You completely miss my point. I indicated that it was incorrect to say that this game is different after years of following the carrot. This game has carrots too. That is not different. Also in other games you can ignore end game.

It is different.

If you wanted to see the best things WoW had to offer, you had to grind the gear. That is chasing the carrot.

If you wanted to see the best things SWToR had to offer, you had to grind the gear. That is chasing the carrot.

There is nothing in this game that you can’t do in blue gear, there is no carrot on a stick. You are given a giant buffet of food and on any given day you can choose to eat what you want.

LMAO that EXACTLY describes GW2. Please explain to us how that is so different from GW2? Please don’t say, “you don’t have to do those things” because you don’t have to do them in those games either.

Peetee.9406:

Gehenna.3625:

Peetee.9406:

Of course its at the top of the charts, its an amazing game

After 15 years of chasing a carrot and being yelled at by 12 year olds I would hope that a vast majority of the MMO community would be open to change.

So, why is it different? Chasing the carrot has been introduced here too. It’s called Fractals/Ascended.

GW2 has a lot of positives, just not the ones that matter to me, but the carrot is here.

You are not forced to do anything in this game.

You could play the entire game in blue gear and you’d be just fine.

Fractals are not a forced loot chase and a Legendary is not a grind, if you don’t want to do those things then don’t do them.

The Fractals/Legendary are here for the players that want to chase after the better gear. People have been brainwashed by WoW into thinking you have to chase after better gear, you don’t.

If you willfully subject yourself to doing something that you don’t want to do, that’s your fault. That’s not ANet’s fault.

You can say this for EVERY mmo game. If you don’t get those Fractals/Legendary then you are behind and will likely be kicked from groups for things and won’t be able to progress later. Just like EVERY MMO. GW2 has nothing new to offer. Why do you think they completely changed what they told us about this game? Reminds me of SWG how the game was one way and then completely changed to try and keep up. GW2 is doing the same exact thing.

Haven’t seen anything new or ground breaking and revolutionary yet like this game was hyped to do. At least ToR brought back the RPG part of the mmoRPG and make incredible storylines with voice overs and options instead of just clicking a quest giver and not even reading the quest and clicking accept asap so you can get going.

Enthilzha.1856:

Hi Bojangles.

I think to claim that no-one has said that GW2 is dying, is perhaps stretching it a wee bit – dozens of forum posts are claiming this very thing… I was merely trying to be a bit more positive, and take a different perspective. I know alot of people are claiming that servers are empty, but on Seafarer’s Rest, I have seen nothing of the sort in any zone.

I do agree that WoW is doing very well for an 8 year old game – there is no denying it’s success. Although I wouldn’t go back to WoW now, I do think that it was a superb game in it’s time – much like I feel GW2 is now.

I have been playing MMO’s since UO (I should probably go take a break and have a lie down then!), and have played almost every major game in the genre. I do appreciate that fans of an MMO are more likely to buy an expansion pretty quickly once released – my comment regarding pandas was merely a cheeky aside. I do think it is more significant, however, that GW2 is currently outselling major new releases.

I respect your replies but I will say that stat you should matters as much as boobs on a fly. There are some posts below your reply (the one I am quoting) which explains how credible and important that stat from that site means.

I am glad you love GW2 and think it is superb. I think it is horrible and no where near what I thought it would be like or what they said it would be. And not they completely changed everything they said.

As for WoW imo and many others being they still dominate in subs and trust me with all their servers they have, there are still loaded servers of people playing, it is STILL a great game. The end game is back to being complicated and challenging, still not as good as Vanilla or BC, but it blows Cata out of the water and most of Wrath. Sorry but imo WoW still blows GW2 out the water in all aspects except graphics.

Exploration I don’t really care about in GW2 but think WoW’s is better because flying over things you could only see when taking the flying taxis is amazing to see. Even the pvp is more competitive in WoW and WoW’s pvp is bleh. GW2 I thought was supposed to be pvp focused but ended up being extremely boring and lopsided.

But to each is own.

Reihert.1509:

Quoting another player:

“From GW2 launch to now the number of people logging in has declined rapidly. And no one said the game was dying but there are plenty of servers where it is like a ghost town and if you go off of the “server status” then that says it all because those are about characters made on that server not people logged in."

It is sad to see you making up information.
Dont you know server population isnt based on accounts created, but on “online” players status in a given time.

That’s why you can’t create a char today at a certain server, but if you give it a day you can.

Also, I can’t see my server as a ghost town. I’m going for 100% map completition and everywhere I go, no matter how dark that corner is, there’s always people around.

Population fluctuates, indeed.
It decreased to some extent as it is normal to any game, specially a game with no real “end game”. But it comes back up every month on every content patch.

And today, is one of those days.

Actually it appears you are drinking heavily from the Kool-Aid. The game has declined incredibly. If you think over a million people still play then you are very delusional. Sorry but not making up information. Not hard to read many top gaming websites of people leaving in droves, along with the FACT some servers a very low populated when claimed to be highly populated. Please don’t feed me this about everyone in a zone or doing instances. ToR has over 50-100+ in EACH zone. GW2 has 0 to barley a handful. I even made a new toon to see how the starter zones were on a very “heavy” populated servers and saw 0 people during prime time. ToR’s starting zones are very populated.

Why do I need to switch servers or make new toons to play on a populated server? In the beginning the one I was on was very populated. So please show me how there is no rapid decline of people?

Also PLEASE explain how many posters have said their friends lists have gone from 30+ people to 1 to 0 logging on? Along with others saying all their guild members quit?

So please don’t say I am making up stuff when in FACT what I said is true and that you are just blinded because you love the game. That is great you do but please at least take off the rose colored glasses sometimes.

Grugosh.6471:

GW2 is actually sold out at the stores in my town. No chance to get before christmas anymore! So yes it is on a dying path ^^

Must be a tiny town or they simply didn’t care to re-order any because everywhere I have looked they are on the shelves. Live in a major city also and have asked friends in small cities/towns and all have them.

But I guess just because your tiny town doesn’t carry it then the game MUST be thriving and only inclining since launch.

@Gehenna Well said!!!

Enthilzha.1856:

So, Guild Wars 2 has now gone to the top of the PC download charts once more, beating pre-orders for Tomb Raider, Far-Cry 3 and more (no pandas to be seen!).

http://m.pcgamer.com/2012/12/14/resurgent-guild-wars-2-tops-pc-download-chart

Not bad for a game months after it’s release.

Also, not bad for the ‘dying’ game we hear so much about.

So congratulations Anet for creating a wonderful and successful game.

The game may not be perfect, it may be frustrating at times – but it is still a pleasure to play and I am looking forward to where Anet will take GW2 in the future.

MoP expansion sold more then GW2 did at launch. Not bad for a an 8 year old game against the “Second coming of MMO’s and the almighty GW2”.

From GW2 launch to now the number of people logging in has declined rapidly. And no one said the game was dying but there are plenty of servers where it is like a ghost town and if you go off of the “server status” then that says it all because those are about characters made on that server not people logged in.

Oh and a side note, if you played mmo for awhile you would know expansions don’t keep growing a lot once they are released. GW2 once they release an expansion will have the same thing. Sell a lot then drop off faster then the original game. MoP still sold more then GW2 which is funny.

Zid.4196:

Game is improving.

Population still falling, will stabilize somewhat below EVE Online’s.

EVE Online is around the 350k mark (http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png) That sounds like a good estimate. Although we will never know because I am sure ANet doesn’t want to disclose the logs from launch to now as it has declined rapidly. Funny they mention box sales out the door but have yet to say what they have now.

moirweyn.9872:

Just because you ran into two kittenholes doesn’t mean the rest of the community is like that. Also, those were dungeons, those places are a breeding ground for people like that.

LOL you should read other posts about the community. It isn’t just 2 people. A lot of people are saying the same thing about the GW2 community. Go check out other gaming forums too plus word of mouth from other games as well have said the same.

Fox.3469:

This is the best community i’ve seen in any mmo, believe me you just had a few bad apples.

BTW the dredge fractal is hard to complete, i don’t usually rage if people make mistakes, but they do have to listen to the people that did do it before, if they run of on their own and don’t take advice it’s their fault tbh. (not saying your case was) Community comes from trying to contribute just as wel as coming from teaching others. If one of both doesn’t happen the group fails. Fractals is designed for group coördinated tactics, if you don’t listen to anyone you don’t belong there.

This must be your first mmo then because this community is horrible. And obviously you didn’t read the post because the people who grouped with him were just ripping on the other guy who didn’t know what to do. There was no listening problems. Those people obviously didn’t take a second to explain what to do. This happens a lot more than any other mmo especially with those kicking people when an end boss is about to die.

SWG had the best community ever imo. Sandbox game where the people had to make their own content since there was 0 end game, 0 dungeons, no instances except battlegrounds (but those maybe were up for a week in the beginning then shut down and never got fixed again), no blue, purple or orange loot etc. It only had a few cheesey theme parks but that was it. And no the game wasn’t all that but the community made it a special game.

WoW’s community may have its kids who flex e-peens and just argue at times in trade chat, but overall at least they don’t really do this kind of stuff and I have found a lot nicer people in WoW.

ToR’s community is very good also. Lots of friendly people there.

GW2 is 2nd worst to Terra. The people here act like elitist and remind me a worse version of EQ community.

eisberg.2379:

I’m more impressed that they haven’t had a need to even shutdown servers yet. SWTOR was already shutting down servers before this point, and they didn’t add any servers when they went Free to Play.

LOL learn your facts first please. Like someone already said, ToR had a lot more servers then GW2. Oh and ToRs population has been steady over 500k and now risen a lot since going f2p. GW2 on the other hand has declined like a landslide since launch and not getting any better. Amazing how they stopped announcing game boxes sold when they couldn’t get much higher after the first month of launch.

Artemis Noir.3804:

But…but…… wait!
I thought the game was dying! :p

Seriously, assuming you are in North America, your best bet is to stay up into the early hours of the morning (when it’s around 1-3 am in the Central/Eastern seaboard area).

You are delusional if you think the servers are actually full of people logged in. The game has declined incredibly since launch. Only the Kool-Aid drinkers will say otherwise. I bet ToR, WoW, and Rift can all say server full and heavy server if they just went off of people who just have a character on those servers but not logged in.

And no they don’t need any more servers. They just need to start going by actually people logged in and then you would see a difference from Full server to medium or low.

@oflow
You make valid points but WoW did a lot of positives as well and increased the market significantly. There weren’t hundreds of thousands who subed to EQ1, UO etc. UO for example, I tried when it was new and had no clue what I was doing. No one would help and just ignored others who talked and asked for help. There wasn’t tons of people who played either. May have seemed that way because they didn’t have the tons of servers other mmo’s use now. Yes it was nice that the game was actually hard and the learning curve wasn’t forgiving, but that also drew people away too. EQ1 has/had a snobby community. Rarely anyone would help new people. They acted too good for noobs.

WoW also introduced a real end game raiding which obviously at one point 13 mil subs says it all. WoW made a mmo game which was easy for those who were new to mmos to play. Very easy to learn. But back to the end game raiding, that was truly amazing.

As for etiquette you are completely blind how people in EQ1 and UO treated people. Yeah there are differences but to say WoW ruined that is just stupid. Look at the age ranges and subs. 13 mil vs 100,000. Of course you are going to get more kiddish behaviors from a game that is 32476437834629 times more the people.

I agree about crafting though. The only ones that really benefit (WoW example) are those who can make consumables, but for gear, yeah at first you can make the gear needed to do heroics and 1 or 2 purple items, but that quickly gets outdated fast. Right now you can make ilvl 476 stuff that isn’t bop and most don’t need that stuff anymore.

Eldiora.5836:

This happened to me too. Was in a Fractal run, had to endure this group for 2 hours because they just died all the time. I tried to help them honestly, telling them how they can avoid dieing 10x on the Asura Fractal against the harpyes.

Then at the boss Fractal when the boss had 10% hp I got kicked out.

This is absolute disgusting behaviour. In 15 years of mmo’s this is the first time I have seen this behaviour. I don’t know if communities in general simply are getting worse and worse or if its just this new generation that seems to lack social behaviour by a big part.

Yeah never seen that happen either. Even in WoW and ToR never seen or heard that happen. Sure in WoW sometimes people get kicked but it is more about them being afk, pulling for no reason, qued as a tank but in dps gear, things like that. But to kick someone as the boss is about to die is ridiculous and to hear this happens to a lot of people says a lot about this game. WoW at least implements a no kick while in combat. ANet should at least use that as a start.

GregT.4702:

Pray For Kosmos.5849:

I’ve quit the game temporarily due to Ascended Gear. It’s the principal of the matter.

No you haven’t. You’re still here, bathing in Anet’s marketing, being told about upcoming expansions, talking about the game, speculating about the future. You haven’t quit, you’ve just generously freed up server bandwidth for other players for a while.

From Anet’s perspective, they must wish that all quitters should be so accommodating.

Also, “principal” means main or chief. I think you meant “principle”.

They said “quit the game” so you are wrong. Last I checked the forum, marketing, being told about upcoming expansions, talking about the game, speculating about the future isn’t THE GAME. If it is then how come I can’t see my character and move around? So let’s say I worked at a restaurant and quit that job but still went in to visit and get drinks and food. Does that mean I still work there? Nope. Just like last I checked none of the stuff you said isn’t the game.

GregT.4702:

If you’re on the forums right now, you haven’t quit the game over Ascended Gear.

And you’re very likely not going to. You’re either going to:

Ummmm that makes no difference. I quit the game but still check the forums to hear upcoming stuff, if any, and hear reactions and see if anything fun will come in game. Just because I quit for now doesn’t mean I can’t participate in the forums being I paid for the game like others.

You likely are thinking this is a p2p game where only active subs can post. But your theory is 110% incorrect my friend. So why couldn’t they quit because of the gear?

circusfreak.2403:

It seems MMOs getting judged pretty harshly out of the gate anymore. Technically GW2 is still very much in the infant stage of its life cycle. Bugs will take sometime to iron out and content will be added. I am sure they are monitoring the response to the Nov 15 patch closely and will evaluate next steps to best benefit the players and the company (it is about the bottom line at the end of the day). If you rush to the end you can expect to have a dead period. I’ve always felt any game deserves a growth period before it can truly be labelled as a success or a failure. To me 3 months is far too early…hell for some games it took over a year. Personally I am going to stick with it and hope for the best…hate to see a potentially good game fail.

This is true and this is where the phrase, “Only get 1 chance to make a good first impression” applies to. I think a lot has to do with the fact people know what they want now in an mmo because they loved either SWG, EQ1, UO, WoW or DAoC. I know I love(d) WoW and SWG a lot. Both completely different games. I tried WoW at launch, before the pre-nge, and didn’t fully get into it. The NGE hit and gave it a chance but hated it and tried WoW again. This time really got into and loved it and then experienced end game with a competitive guild so I fell in love with end game raiding. So now I know what I want and so far, no game has really kept my interest except ToR which I still play too.

But GW2 imo is different. This game was a huge let down and I find it extremely terrible. For one they did all this talk before launch about how the game was going to be and no grind and progression type like a WoW. Well here we are and they completely lied.

The other thing is I thought this was supposed to be pvp based? I wanted to really try some different and fun pvp and instead it feels more like a horrible pve attempt with a joke of pvp. Tera I felt was the same way.

So when all is said and done, I fell this is why there has yet to be a game that gained people/subs after a month of launch. Every mmo has declined after WoW. And yes GW2 has lost tons of people. I will bet if they showed people logging on from launch to now, that the numbers have gone downward fast. Anyone who doesn’t think so is delusional. GW2 is in a complete mess right now with the lying of ANet among other things.

Kana.6793:

I was in the SWTOR beta and I started playing during pre-order access. The framerate spiked all over the place even on high end systems, there were huge threads about the strange drops in FPS when entering warzones. There was an issue with the game rendering stuttering (easily demonstrated by jumping and opening your bags – this caused you to hang in mid air momentarily). There were memory leak issues after playing for long sessions, many threads about BSOD’s. There were gamebreaking bugs in the operations – for example, the pylons becoming unlickable resulting in that boss sometimes being impossible to complete, the Soa fight had many bugs most notably the one where the floor didn’t appear meaning you couldn’t fight him. There was a bug at Gharj which randomly killed everyone in the operation. They also had long maintenance downtime, sometimes multiple times a week. There were broken Ilum dailies. Some of the class quests couldn’t be completed. As for class balance, they had entire warzones containing only sorcerers.

And here is a screenshot of Soa with his floor missing, taken in January.

I have had any kind of spikes sorry. I have a high end machine and was using an overclocked gtx 480 card. Also you are showing a picture of a bug on end game. Not many hit end game at launch so not sure how that has anything to do with it.

I am not saying there weren’t bugs and yes EV was buggy, but that content isn’t considered “launch”.

These memory leaks I never experienced any and played hours on end because I had off work so never ran into any of that nor did anyone in the guild I was in which had about 50 in it. I know 50 is a small number but I am sure there were a lot more of us too who had no memory leaks.

I NEVER saw any warzones with only sorc. I am pretty sure you are lying about that one. If you did what does that have to do with class balance? You do know what class balance is right? I am not talking about the number of characters used by people but by a class basically facerolling all other classes. Sorc. was a character made by a lot because it was cool and shot lightning and was sith and looked cool. It was the FotM. But the class balances were very good for a launch compared to most.

You likely weren’t around for launches like SWG, WoW, Tera, Warhammer, Aion and AoC. Those were horrible launches. Yes even WoW. All of these launches were game breaking issues which is why AoC, Warhammer, Aion and Tera are all where they are at now. Heck, AoC didn’t even have content ready for after the starter zone. Tera had huge account issues, servers crashing, servers down for hours the first day because of some error (forgot exactly what it was) but it kept the servers down.

So ToR had a great launch. Like I said, there were bugs but nothing that was big. And yes GW2 and Rift had great launches also. Didn’t notice anything big except GW2 class balancing was horrible.

You know why games try and clone WoW now? It is because it is an amazing game. I am talking about ALL of WoW, not just the expansions people didn’t like. WoW took stuff from other mmo’s (which were very few) and made them their way and a way they thought people would like. And it was a success.

You know why people love end game raiding and the carrot on a stick? Because WoW made amazing raids that was so much fun to do, yet challenging and long enough to where they didn’t need to pump out content every other week like people keep wanting now-a-days.

Sure some hated it still, but WoW really made the end game what it is today and companies fail bad at trying to compete with how WoW did it. No other game now or in the future will ever make a raid that is better than MC, BWL, Karazhan, AQ40, ZG, Naxx40, Sunwell, SSC, TK, BT, Ulduar and even ICC. Those places were so fun and amazing and difficult. Heck even the Vanilla 5-15 man dungeons were amazing (UBRS, LBRS, VC, Dire Maul, Scholo, Strat, RFD, RFK, etc.)

Not only that but in Vanilla and BC you had to get attuned for those places (except ulduar and icc) which most required a lot of work.

I wish WoW went back to this or even another new game would do something like this. People got the gear to progress and imo I did it because I loved raiding with people and being able to complete content in a competitive fashion. The gear for me was to show that I was part of a guild who downed this content. Sure it did nothing for you beyond that, but it was about the challenge and fun.

Amazing story? Sorry but have to disagree with you there. The storyline is a failed attempt at trying to be like ToR’s storyline. I found myself skipping a lot of it because it was boring (the talking party).

Agree with you on other things but for me this game is incredibly boring and very repetitive and a lot of grinding for an advertised “non-grind game”. This game failed. People were touting this game to be the God of mmo’s and show revolutionary and ground breaking new things. Well it was none of this and nothing new and exciting. For a pvp based game the pvp is a joke and they seem to try add more pve instead.

Their questing system is horrible. Not everyone wants to farm mats and craft for XP and waiting to pvp for xp is a joke as well. You have to farm events in the zone to level. I cleared the 1-17 level zone when I started well under the level I should be to where I couldn’t advance unless I wanted to get carried. So I had to leave the whole area and go to a new starter zone to just catch up. I shouldn’t have to. WoW, ToR, Rift, Tera, Warhammer, LotR, etc. I never had to do that and was always at the appropriate level or higher.

ANet already lied to everyone flat out as well. If I wanted weapon progression I would play WoW or ToR which is by far way better at pve end game then GW2. I came for the pvp even though I am a pve player, but wanted a game to have some fun pvp and see how it went. PvP is horrible here. SWG had better and more fun pvp and all it was, was open world pvp. But it was a blast. Heck even WoW’s pvp is better and more competitive.

Horrible game. Only good things are they graphics/world is amazing and it is free monthly for everyone.