Guild Wars 2

i actually just ran into one of these. its been a while since ive done much with pvp so i did a few yolo queues.

anyway, there was one on the other team. i swear they put up conditions almost as quick as necros. sure i was on my warrior, and the build ive been using lately is really cleave heavy, so that may have had something to do with it. but they really can melt you down pretty quick, and as it was mentioned before, they are hard to burst down. i dont play mesmer, so i have no idea what build they could have been using. all i know is that sword was in one of their weapon sets and they definitely weren’t using a staff for their other one. i want to say scepter, but it was kind of hard to tell. pistol was definitely involved too.
hope that helps some.

fatback.7436:

Ok people keep talking about how much twitch is in this game but with what getting a dodge off on a war cc animation or on a spite sig come on I played wow for years as a resto Sham got glad a couple times ran a rbg team to 2k and there was just as much twitch to it maybe more fear bomb the group twitch to drop tremor totem stunned twitch to use trinket big nasty Mage spell coming twitch to interrupt or drop totem flag carrier going down twitch to drop link totem feral Druid has insta cast cc up start the hex so when he pops there is the cc on them come on really are you having trouble blasting the feilds and dodging things come on when water starts to splash on you and you need to heal more quick do your own blast or how about when fire licks your nuts blast for some group might omg warrior is about to bash me dodge get over this twitch thing and if you are having problems there is a white powder that can get you all hyped up

this is the best post in this thread, and likely this entire forum.

Charak.9761:

Nah, someone will always give up when they see no turn around coming.

You either have to play with those people or leave yourself.

and that’s the root of the whole problem.

what i dont get is why being down just one player makes such a huge difference.

top lel

have enough people complain about something enough and it gets nerfed to oblivion.
well played anet

/applaud

Mammoth.1975:

Mesmers have a couple of problems though.

The problem with greatsword push is that there are too many places you can stand so that greatsword push is irrelevant. Stealth focus pull is good but with the 1s cooldown it’s a lot easier to dodge.

Fear lets a necro herd you off the edge, buying them time to get their positioning right that few other classes have. You can fear someone who is almost anywhere in the room and then just move around them so they run onto the glass. You can start a tainted shackles then doom them onto the glass a second or two later, which is really only avoidable with teleports unless they know what’s happening and pop a preemptive stability. Corrupt stabilities, block them into unpleasant places with spectral wall while you wait for a targetted fear to come off cooldown, etc etc. On top of that you have a 4s aoe fear proc if you ever get any kind of CC used on you, which makes it really hard to tee up with a hammer and often results in both of you dying if you ever do get pulled onto glass. If they somehow manage to avoid all your crap, your condis are still doing a ton of damage.

Necro can do portal tricks to avoid the gate debuff on a much shorter cooldown with spectral walk, which is also a stunbreak and a second chance if you do get knocked off. This is the only map where a necro can reliably disengage, which nullifies their biggest weaknesses.

I also found out yesterday that you can still oneshot people with golem charge if they try to get too cute with their positioning on the cannon. I’ve died to warriors, guards, sometimes engis, the occasional mesmer or thief, and even an ele once, but my K/D ratio in cannon room must be like 5 or 6 to 1, maybe more. More like 20 to 1 if you count hotjoins. Let’s face it, that’s not due to my ability, because I suck :P

haha, i know exactly what you mean. on top of that, if theres just someone on the cannon and doesnt notice you, its not hard to chain fear them for at least 6+seconds, more than enough to run them off of the platform.

and its not just necros. i run shouts on my warrior. go in there, use fear me, watch everyone run off, or at least onto the glass. in that case, just do the axe throw, making sure theyre on the glass long enough to fall.

and i cant tell you the number of times ive been feared off edges by thieves who get a steal off me on my necro. that fear lasts even longer than most.

Gandarel.5091:

google.3709:

lol this is sooooo sad jajajaja Anet couldn’t even bring the birthday system from gw1 …. I wonder if someone else owns the right to gw1 and Anet will get sued for using anything good about gw1

Makes sense.

Btw who needs a glory boost, i have 250 boosters and 310k glory i can’t spend on anything.

consumable tokens. make dyes. sell them or something.

unique pvp skins would be pretty cool. at least that.

huh. i used this, or a similar build, on my mesmer that i never play.

it isnt too bad.

what really bothers me is when someone jsut stops playing and sits in the spawn. “lost cause lol im going to sit here and just waste time”

just to be able to kick these people and maybe get a replacement would really be nice.

another issue that gets brought up is just how broken the system in general is. being down a person should not make such a dramatic difference.

tronjeremy.5820:

If you make a system that can destroy the incentive to go afk then it wont be such a problem. Aa ban from soloq for a couple hours if they get enough reports should help. The system has potential it just needs to evolve.

also, something to find a replacement for people who leave/are kicked.

into the mists is a good site.

and yea, CC warriors are out of control at this point. i dont know any builds in particular other than the shout build i use

eh. if anything, rank just shows how long someone has been playing. doesnt show skill so much, but at least gives an idea as to how well they may (or may not) know what they’re doing.

though i would say that there should be something that only groups you with people in your rank range. its not a complete indicator of skill, but at least it could be used for something.

Darnis.4056:

Stunlock Warrior with that regen is cray cray got chased across the map by some sub30 warrior named Euro hero, and after like a day of kiting he was still at full hp.

In before we get another thread moved to the Warrior Forum where all the pve heros are ready with their L2PADAPTNOOBL2P shut down arguments.

Darnis.4056:

He wasn’t condi bunk :/ he was Gs/Macesheild 2signets..

Fenrir.5493:

forrae.6708:

Fenrir.5493:

Darnis.4056:

He wasn’t condi bunk :/ he was Gs/Macesheild 2signets..

Stop your BS already, you didnt see the video why are you posting LIES?

pretty sure he was referring to his little story about kiting a warrior around all day that never died.

Look the first post on this topic that this user posted, he didnt saw the video, what this have to do with stun warriors?, yet he is spreading his dirty propaganda trying to deviate the attention of people.

lolwat.

what im saying is that this guy got confused thinking that

Outplayed by a condi bunker? How many buttons did he have to hit to keep those healing pulses going?

was referring to him.

eh. all id like to really see is something that if someone leaves, a replacement can be found. even if its just a disconnect because their comp died or ISP decided to shut off their connection for torrenting too much or something.

along with this, a better report system, for reporting afks or griefers.

Fenrir.5493:

Darnis.4056:

He wasn’t condi bunk :/ he was Gs/Macesheild 2signets..

Stop your BS already, you didnt see the video why are you posting LIES?

pretty sure he was referring to his little story about kiting a warrior around all day that never died.

no really. this is seriously just as bad, if not worse, than being afk or leaving. if you dont want to waste your time, then why queue up at all?

since there is no report afk feature of any sort implemented yet, what would be an appropriate report for these and afkers? scamming maybe? botting?

im not getting any.

google.3709:

Don’t u dare mess with rifle warriors ;p

did that guy literally just stand still for the entire cast time of kill shot or something?

as a sidenote, i always find it funny when people block out their keybindings.

Ashanor.5319:

forrae.6708:

Falkor.7932:

Lets not forget that Stun and Daze can be stripped as well with a stun-breaker, it immediately cancels the effects of Stun/Daze.

while that’s just fine, there’s a lot of spammable CC’s. warriors that use mace/shield and hammer can chain CC someone for quite some time. most people only use one stunbreak, so if you’re unfortunate to get hit again, the warrior can just faceroll CC’s on you over and over.

the problem lies in the ability to just spam stuns and other CC’s

A warrior using M/Sh H has very limited mobility. The problem lies less in the fact that they can chain CC and more in the fact that you don’t know what to use your stunbreak on for maximum efficiency. There is still massive delay on Earthshaker, the only way to really land it versus a good player is to already have them in CC. Let’s not even talk about Backbreaker, the wind up might as well be a red flag telling you to pop stability, dodge, pop an evade frame. How about those ridiculously long Hammer cooldowns also? I am willing to be they are some of the longest in the game. Not going to bother making sure, it isn’t worth my time. You can check it out though.

yea, i know how those are. i play a hammer mace/shield warrior sometimes. its just frustrating when one shows up when im already trying to kill two other things and then starts to chain CC.

selan.8354:

forrae.6708:

but stability will not stop you from getting it.

yea it does.
“Cannot be knocked down, pushed back, launched, stunned, dazed, floated, sunk, or feared.”

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stability

yeah erm look at which classes have stability….warriors are great at cc and also have high stability. guardians have great stability…erm so mesmers other classes lack stunbreakers and stability

every class has at least three stunbreaks. but you are right about stability. only a handful of classes have easy and constant access to it that doesnt require traits/RNG, and most of those are either just a couple of seconds or involve a transform of some sort. im sure people have brought this up before and all we can do is hope that with the new skills that will be introduced later in the year (if that happens) brings more to the table for others.

Falkor.7932:

Lets not forget that Stun and Daze can be stripped as well with a stun-breaker, it immediately cancels the effects of Stun/Daze.

while that’s just fine, there’s a lot of spammable CC’s. warriors that use mace/shield and hammer can chain CC someone for quite some time. most people only use one stunbreak, so if you’re unfortunate to get hit again, the warrior can just faceroll CC’s on you over and over.

the problem lies in the ability to just spam stuns and other CC’s

but stability will not stop you from getting it.

yea it does.
“Cannot be knocked down, pushed back, launched, stunned, dazed, floated, sunk, or feared.”

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stability

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Anyway, to get back to the point: There is a very large difference between what a class can do, what they actually accomplish. The strengths that the OP listed, when not simply incorrect, are the kinds of things you can only pull off against noobs and the training golems. I main the engineer and necro myself, and I easily lose half of my fights because, contrary to popular belief, these classes aren’t some overpowered faceroll. Even when running condition builds, half of the opponents I end up battling have enough cleansing to wash away any damage I’d try to inflict. It is incredibly rare for me to pull off a full length fear chain (rare being I’ve only managed it once), I can’t maintain permanent poison against players because half the poison skills miss or can’t be fired off, burning takes forever to kill other players because it only stacks in duration. As a necro I get focus fired because there’s no way to defend myself. As an engineer I have to sacrifice quite a bit to accomplish a spotty vigor uptime, and half the time I just get controlled due to a lack of useful stun breakers.

agreed. there’s a reason why i dont usually roll condition necro when im not with a full team and able to easily communicate. you seriously just get focused down and killed way to easily. conditions are slow, and even if you take all the survivability possible, its still just not always enough. necros dont have the same bag of tricks that many other classes have, and if you’re a condition necro, you have very little defense without having to sacrifice utilities.
as for the fear chains, ive only managed it once as well, and it was on someone who was manning the sky cannon (feared for at least 10 seconds, ran right off.). an actually moving, target that is focusing on you is a bit trickier to get the necessary situation to actually fear them for more than a few seconds (place spectral wall behind, mark of reaper on them, etc.) and on top of that, it isn’t difficult to just stun break out of the fears and nuke the necro. thats not to say a well placed reapers mark or spectral wall cant be effective, but it isnt the full on 10+ second fear you want, its enough to just try to get away or take an upper hand.

Arheundel.6451:

KK then let’s all switch to ranger and necro while waiting for the magic patch…guess that’s an alternative from uninstall the game

http://i.imgur.com/mmBKw13.jpg

lol wow. thats ridiculous

and yea, whats with the sudden surge of spirit rangers?

Mammoth.1975:

Just make a trollspec necro. You don’t have to play it, just walk in, get CCed in some way, boom, everyones dead. Man the cannon. Tell the other team it’s all about pro positioning when they complain.

haha. i might actually have to try this.

yea, loading screens to seem longer. i thought it was just me, guess not.

Warriors and thieves are the worst meta class now because they sucks in conditions.

ive seen longbow warriors wreck kittens with with their aoe burns. but they have to be pretty lucky/sneaky to be able to do that, and hope that their targets have no idea what theyre doing.

1 warrior in a teamcomp is UP. 2+ can be pretty OP. The problem is their damage is insane which allows them to hop into a fight and very quickly destroy teams with no hope of a revive. Once they wipe a team they have some of the best mobility in the game which can lead to matches snowballing out of control.

just give them plenty of support and you’re good. haven’t seen this too often.

to bother people and make them make threads like this.

actually, i have a love/hate thing about it. its funny when you down/kill someone in down state, or when someone fears some guy about to stomp you and then rallies you.

but at the same time, its annoying and stupid when you end up getting 5v1’d or something.

when i read the thread title, i thought op meant being able to finish a player permanently. or at least until the end of the match.

still, seems interesting, would just use my rank one since its pretty cool.

as long as flamethrower doesnt miss miss miss miss miss miss when anything moves 45* away from you

i run away the moment i see an enemy and start typing in /s “ok ok, ill uninstall because im a noob”

strangely accurate.

sometimes ill hit it and it falls off immedietly. maybe im hitting my button twice on accident, but it doesnt seem to be so. dunno.

capture
the
flag

please?

i like healing in WoW and if i ever play any other MMO’s (not always fond of the genre outside of WoW and gw2) i’ll probably end up healing there.

i like being able to do more or less what i want in gw2, but knowing that there is more responsibility on my part and i’m not entirely relying on someone else as to whether not i get 2 shot or not.

basically, i like both playstyles. i like playing gw2 for its system and other MMO’s for their more traditional system. its a good change of pace and definitely more interesting than what most people give it credit for.

then again, i mostly pvp and the most pve i ever really did aside from levelling were several cof exp runs.

also, there is a bit of an aggro table. part of it takes things with shields and up close into priority. guardians generally end up taking aggro off of others rather easily, assuming they are using a shield. usually any champion mob event, if someone has a shield and is in melee range, they will usually be the mobs target. (there are some exceptions, the champ abomination in cursed shores, no matter how many other people are around would always go after me on my necromancer. dunno why but it usually ended up with me kiting the thing around forever.)

Healix.5819:

forrae.6708:

you sure that’s not the artist’s signature? or am i missing it?

Right under the jaw in the fire it says “The Essex …” which is a remnant from the original image. This image was released before beta, so it sparked a lot of theories to what it meant.

oh nice nice.

good eye.

that’s a pretty awesome find there. i never noticed heh.

Healix.5819:

Using and painting over real images is a technique digital artists use, so it’s not surprising to find something like this. They do browse through stuff like google images to find pictures that fit and sometimes get in trouble for using them without permission. Some artists are so lazy they’ll even take an image and just slap their name on it and call it their own, hoping that nobody will find out, since they stole it from somebody that isn’t well known.

Another example of using real images is in the concept art for the Hounds of Balthazar, where they used images of camping fires to create the flame effects. The watermark of the original image can still be seen under the jaw of the hound on the right.

you sure that’s not the artist’s signature? or am i missing it?

pretty sure accuracy doesnt, but its hard to tell since their boosts arent reflected on your character sheet.

i think the sigil of air was nerfed a while ago, but that could be just me. not sure of weapon swap sigils would cause fire or air to proc.

i was in a group with 4 mesmers. i was the only nonmesmer, on my ele.

on a related note, ive been against a team of 4 guardians and 1 warrior. needless to even mention who won that one.

what needs to be put in place is some system that tries to limit it to only 2 per class on a team. not sure how easy that would be to implement, especially considering you can just make a team of 5 insert class here and queue up.

KarlaGrey.5903:

gwawer.9805:

lolyes we need a “cheaterboard” for sure or “rage quits” stat

no wait just call it “Leaverboards”

Leaderboards vs Leaverboards !!!

What you need is an actual organized arena, instead of the current melting pot featuring solo queuers getting slain by super srs premades.

Replace hotjoin with solo free tournaments. Problem solved.

this please.

tired of being rolled by premades.

inb4 go back to hotjoin, get a team, l2p, uninstall, lolnoob

ive been 2v5’d before and didn’t leave. the other person on team went afk. didnt even care since i play the bunker eleguardian build in which i have condition removal on a .3333333 second cooldown, 97,452.25635 health, 9000 armor and 6 utility slots, all of them cantrips that grant infinite regen and vigor. i use warhorn/warhorn with which i spam 2 which is hundred heartseekers that evades all attacks for 6.999 seconds, removes all conditions (even the ones that havent been applied yet) and hits the target 6.5 times, doing 5500.2425 with a 200% chance to crit. i think the 5 ability is called “create FAQ” but it seems to be bugged.

i hope not

i like hitting 2222222222222222222 and dying in .32573 seconds.

uberkingkong.8041:

Why isn’t raid of Capricorn on the list?

because its awful.

i am really bad
like really really awful
i should uninstall

i dont mind it. but i like doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.

you know i really wish people would trash talk me when they kill me.

i really miss it.. its sad when no one does and i have to tell myself that i suck and should l2p and/or uninstall

when people kill me i verbally assault myself.

i normally say “i should go back to wow” or something

pretty sure it just dropped.

soon.

/15charr

yea, i guess so. ive been 4v5’d plenty of times. sometimes you win with them, sometimes not.

this is the first time ive ever even seen 3v5 happen. hilariously i was joking about it yesterday

on anvil rock i presume?