Guild Wars 2

You don’t need big player base. A few friend is enough and take the heroes with you.

It’s still a lot of fun just to do stuff and play around with all the skills.

I agree, Guild Wars 1 is still really great. Do you guys still play? Add me in game then please.

I just found out the price for original guild wars 1 and factions and nightfall expansions is only 25EUR. I think this information is worth sharing for all the people that might wanna try it and experience the story before Guild Wars 2.

http://store.guildwars.com/store/gw/en_IE/pd/productID.305600100

If you need someone to play with contact me in game (Maryln Scout), I still have it installed and will gladly help.

I don’t think I’m breaking any rules since I’m promoting the same game kinda. Or am I?

They did they the best of gw1 yes, the fans and the name. They couldn’t succeded without those two things.

Everything else is just a faded memory of gw1.

I think most of the people replying here agree with you and stoped playing a while ago.

At least I did. I didn’t see any point of forcing myself to go online every day, it just wasn’t fun. I never did a ‘I quit’ post on this forums, I just still like to state my oppinion on the forums because I find like-minded people here.

Now I miss gw1 even more.

Anyone still playing?

P.S.

We just have to accept nothing is comming close to gw1 ever. There’s a few reasons for it:

- The gaming industry is heading in totally different direction
- Gw1 just had the best skill system and PvP modes and unless someone replicates them we won’t be happy because we got used to it so much

The best we can hope is that some sub based game will have enough balls to pull it of and come close go what we had in gw1. I’m just looking for next best thing. I know gw1 isn’t going to be reborn, that’s what we expected from gw2. And I’m certainly not buying gw3 now.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Just popping in to say I am in strong support of the views expressed by Penguin, mrstealth, matjazmuhic (hello, fellow Slovenian?), and Zonzai.

If only (y)our kind of thinking was the norm.

//off topic
Hey, yes fellow Slovenian.

//on topic
Yes it’s quite sad what most of the casual players today are like, at least from a perspective of players who grew up with games. I just hope every now an then a decent game comes out. Right now I’m waiting for Dark souls 2 for PS3. That’ll keep me busy for a while. Then I’m going to some other mmo game with subscription model (won’t say which), to see if grass is greener on the other side.

I bought gw1 and all of the expansions. And gw1 made me preorder gw2 as soon at it was available. I didn’t even think about it because I had trust in ArenaNet. I haven’t been playing now since september I think. I just got fed up with it. Mostly with cash shop and how they treat PvP.

Now, they can release whatever they want. Either most awesome expansion, weapons from gw1, maps from gw1 or whatever.

I’m not playing it, I’m not buying it. No thanks.

I lost trust in ArenaNet completely. And I’m not the only one. And you know it ArenaNet.

Sadly this is the direction most of the new games are taking nowadays. This quote from guildwars2guru.com is a good summary of what’s happening.

To quote Ramin Shokrizade "You will see that the latest generation of casual gamers is actually somewhat crippled in their ability to master even simple games compared to the previous generation. I propose that this is because this generation is so over stimulated compared to previous generations that the reward mechanisms for games have to be stronger and more quickly delivered to capture the attention of contemporary audiences or otherwise they get bored/discouraged much more quickly. "

Just my $0.50:

Death should be punished, that’s why you don’t see reenactments of Lerooooooy Jeeeenkins in ESO. You don’t want to die. And about map being to big. It’s not. You can teleport on your keeps that are not under attack. And as I see it they’re just the right amount of distance apart from each other that if you die you can still quickly run back and try to help save your keep.

The other cool thing is (if I understand it correctly) that if someone takes over a keep in the middle thus making some other keep not connected to any of your other keeps you can’t just teleport to it. Making this kind of tactic rewardable but it has higher risks also.

[quote=3675923;Dabrixmgp.4758:]

People like OP is the reason price for commander should be 1000g + number of player recommendations (some recommendation system in dungeons/wvw/pve or something.

You don’t command people as commander. You invite them to follow you and if they don’t you can cry as much as you want and it won’t change a thing.

I’d say matching low lvls with high lvl guys is probably of sign that PvP lacks players… :S

Geff.1930:

matjazmuhic.1649:

Geff.1930:

The real reason we have a condi meta is due to client limitations. Condition damage calculation is very easy to calculate by the client because it does not have to take into consideration whether the condi tick was blocked or dodged or gained invulnerability from or avoided due to projectile speed vs. sideways movement. Furthermore, the client does not have to calculate whether it was a crit or a non-crit, and there is no RNG to the damage per tick. As a result of all this condi damage calculation is very reliable from the client’s end.

The condi meta was thought of from the game’s inception in order to counter the client’s limitations due to desync, lag and other issues.

You seem to have no idea how games and servers work.

On the other hand I still think that damage calculation is NOT a bottle neck for them but just a cheap excuse to ignore the community. That holds especially true for PvP, because there’s only max 20 people I guess and calculating damage 20 people in realtime…. Guild wars 1 did that without problems even for 24 people (Alliance battles) and there were more types of damage than two. So unless they did something horribly wrong with the servers software that is probably just a lie.

A 10 years old computer can calculate that stuff in realtime.

Excuse me idiot, it is you who has no idea how servers work. This is not a game like GW1. GW1 does not have to calculate position and range because a skill simply is unavailable if you are not in appropriate range of your target for a particular skill or if you dont have LoS. By contrast, in GW2 you can cast skills regardless of whether you are in range, the client has to then communicate with the server to calculate all of the following: was the target in range? was the target outside the projectile path by the time it reached him? was the target blocking or invulnerable or evading? Is the skill being used an unblockable skill or do you have an unblockable buff? Is the target behind blocking terrain by the time the skill finished casting? Was the skill interrupted before it finished casting? Is the target using a cheat or hack program? Is the caster using a cheat or hack program?

This is not a single player game where all these calculations can take place without sync considerations. Furthermore the age of your computer bears no significance in this matter.

what did I just read
you know there is cap on condi damage because of server stress, right?

The issue is not server load. The issue is desync and skills occasionally missing when they should not have or creating other anomalous results. Engineer’s magnet pull is a great example of desync. About 20~30% of the time magnet pull will go through all calculations and hit the target, but on the screen of the caster the target will appear to be where he was when he was hit by magnet, on the target’s screen the target will get pulled. For a brief time the position of the target represented on the caster’s screen is not the real position of the target, as a result any ground targetted abilities at the target’s location will miss. The moment the pulled target moves or takes some action he will reappear on the caster’s screen in his real position.

I guess your attitude reflects your age…

This is what Gw2 community has now become I guess. PEACE OUT! drops the mic

P.S.

You claimed that clients does calculations… Nuff said.

felivear.1536:

The real problem is what DIDN’T happen to this game. We were soooo close…

Anet bought the best spot on the strip for a restaurant, hired the best chefs, sent out fliers and bought TV adds announcing the grand opening… Then, when it came time to order the food to cook, because they didn’t want to spend the extra money (or maybe didn’t have time for it to arrive) , they bought hot pockets and pizza rolls.

The people showed up in droves to enjoy a night of fine dining and instead were served hot pockets. People loved the atmosphere, the staff were fantastic, so they were willing to come back with a promise of, ’We’ve got some fantastic ingredients on order, we can’t tell you what they are, but we promise it’ll be the best food you’ve ever tasted". The people kept showing up, eating the hot pockets week-after-week. Eventually, the ingredients that were promised arrived, and nobody liked them because they apparently had been sitting out in the sun for months and became spoiled. Anet realized their mistake, and told everyone MORE INGREDIENTS ARE ON THE WAY AND IT’s EVEN BETTER THAN PREVIOUS INGREDIENTS, WE JUST CAN’T TELL YOU WHAT!. Well, we’re still waiting for them to arrive, but we’ve become ill…

We all now have high cholesterol and food poisoning.

Moral of the story? The PvP population didn’t leave the game, we all died of food poisoning and heart attacks from high cholesterol.

That’s the best analogy I’ve read so far. This is exactly what happened.

Geff.1930:

The real reason we have a condi meta is due to client limitations. Condition damage calculation is very easy to calculate by the client because it does not have to take into consideration whether the condi tick was blocked or dodged or gained invulnerability from or avoided due to projectile speed vs. sideways movement. Furthermore, the client does not have to calculate whether it was a crit or a non-crit, and there is no RNG to the damage per tick. As a result of all this condi damage calculation is very reliable from the client’s end.

The condi meta was thought of from the game’s inception in order to counter the client’s limitations due to desync, lag and other issues.

You seem to have no idea how games and servers work.

On the other hand I still think that damage calculation is NOT a bottle neck for them but just a cheap excuse to ignore the community. That holds especially true for PvP, because there’s only max 20 people I guess and calculating damage 20 people in realtime…. Guild wars 1 did that without problems even for 24 people (Alliance battles) and there were more types of damage than two. So unless they did something horribly wrong with the servers software that is probably just a lie.

A 10 years old computer can calculate that stuff in realtime.

They’re repeating them selves over and over again: “We wanna try what works best and whatnot bla bla…”.

It’s like figuring out what their customers want by not talking to them and hiding stuff from them. And we all seen how well that worked out so far.

It will come soon. Probably in a year or so. In the cash chop.

You’re welcome!

Vayne.8563:

Everything has to be slowed down. They want you in that game and they don’t want you to leave. Sub games all seem to have dailies. They also seem to have rep grind. They also seem to be focused on raids and dungeons which frankly are not why I play an MMO.

Seems like a nice description of gw2.
- Slowed down = gating (we’ve seen enough of it).
- Dailies – check,
- Reputation grind (achiv, glory, wvw rank) – check,
- Raids (dragons maybe) – check,
- Dungeons (almost every LS has one) – check.

Vayne.8563:

How come no one brings up the Iteration blog post that Anet posted that spent the entire post talking about how they change things that don’t work, including completely throwing out entire systems if necessary. Seems like a curious omission to me.

What systems? PvP which needs a major rework is still in the game.

P.S.

I already moved to a different game (sub based) and I’m happier because there’s no cash shop and the last update was just awesome.

Thank god we didn’t vote abbadon for new fractal. At least I can still apreciate the original lore now.

This is just, I don’t know what to say even. Come one, while fixing fractals just fix the stupid reward numbers… How hard is that?

juno.1840:

A gold cap would be a nice solution — it existed in GW1. It’s not so much a punishment as a limit to the amount of wealth you can accumulate in the system. It’s a safety net against loop holes, exploits, or other unforeseen consequences of game changes.

The number would be sufficiently high so if you hit the cap you are sufficiently wealthy to do whatever you want in the game. The limit exists to prevent a small number of players from doing something drastic in the economy. This something “drastic” might be something that is possible only after a future game change when the vast wealth could be applied in a devious way. This is really a theoretical discussion at this point, but you can imagine the possibilities.

A cap would be a last-line-of-defense in the game economy.

Yea and we would be back to using something else as a currency like ectos in gw1 which were used in trading rather than gold (platinum).

Oh yea:

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Please! This is a must after so much time and so many requests.

- Boost HP
— because berserker in PVP is not really viable unless you are running a one and only popular pvp build
— because with 10k or even 15k HP you get downed by a necro in less than 3 sec
— because you get backstabbed and one heart seeker and you’re down (yes I can dodge HS spam but I only have 2 dodges while thiefs have multiple HS uses)

OR

- tone down DMG a bit
- tone down conditions a bit

Ideas:
- What if conditions could not stack?
- What if burning could stack? => Suddenly maybe a burning condition guardian becomes at least viable?

On the other hand I’m not that annoyed by warrior stuns and stuff. Most of the animations are pretty obvious, ofcourse is up to you which ones will you dodge because they have many. Maybe just remove some stuns from some skills but don’t go too far to make them unviable again.

Just replace dumb traits that noone uses please or at least change them for PvP.

If PvP keeps going in this way (specializing classes for roles like Warriors = good at stun, Thief = good at burst, …) I’m gonna be extremely happy.

Do something about those cheesy build like S/D spam, necro condition and fear spam, …

Make more build viable.

My suggestions might look dumb, but that’s because I’m not pro at PvP I just wrote down my observations as a casual PvP player.

Doggie.3184:

MAD CAT.9321:

Oh thank you =)

It’s fun. My Ranger has Engineer backpack. Rangineer.

The shovel is useful for when my pet dies.

Haha! That made laugh so hard I almost choked on my tea. Best post in a long time!

Yes yes more passive gameplay so we can just watch tv meanwhile and spam ¹. Great idea! ArenaNet! Implement it ASAP!

Seriously? O_o

Well, 90% of updates have been PvE (other stuff that fractals) related. I think it’s good they do this.

I’d even ecourage them to do a rotation of PvE, PvP, WvW, Fractals+Dungeons updates not only PvE.

BlueZone.4236:

Colin Johanson:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/8/4392552/guild-wars-2-developers-eye-esports-with-aims-to-create-the-most

Our goal is for Guild Wars 2 to be the number one PvP game in MMOs and we feel there is a really open space right now for PvP within eSports, in particular for MMOs.
…
We’re seeing a ton of response from the PvPcommunity, we just need to get those last bits in place and then we’re really going to dive in and try to become a big part of eSports.

They’re almost there, apparently. Those pesky last bits!

Well that’s nice to hear finally. At least they’re almost there. Because, we (players) are not even half way there.

As long as conditions stay single target they’re fine. They’re not fine when people spam AoE conditions without any thought.

Either nerf AoE conditions or make them “tick”. Ele AoE does dmg over time so should necro marks imo.

I do believe AoE number of targets should be uncapped not only max 5 but make the animations more obvious or make the damage “tick”. It’s our fault if my team is not smart enough to move out of AoE which is too obvious in Gw2 due to red rings.

I always get amused when I join “no noobs, only experienced, only zerker” groups for CoF p1, just to later see them constantly getting downed on bosses due to the fact that they have no idea which attacks to dodge and when to dodge them. They don’t even position them selves so they wouldn’t be hit by that cone spray attack the boss does.

Come on guys. Putting full zerker gear on and go to CoF p1 doesn’t make you a good player. Knowing when and what to dodge is basic knowledge.

Imo bosses should hit even harder to punish bad players who think zerker gear will get carry them.

TooBz.3065:

JonPeters.5630:

Hammer
We are taking damage away from the hammer skills that do CC, because we don’t think it is ok for skills to do both of these things. I see a lot of comparison with Greatsword damage, but the Greatsword has no interrupts and a single cripple on the Bladetrail. We left the skills that do not do hard control alone such as Fierce Blow and Hammer Shock, as we are ok with those skills hitting hard because they do not actually disable. We also left Backbreaker alone because it has a long cast time and a long cooldown. The standard hammer build is still going to be very strong after this change, but it will open up options for mace to make a comeback as the control weapon.

Thanks for the explanation, however, I find what you say at direct odds with the trait Merciless Hammer, which specifically boosts damage when an opponent is disabled. If you don’t want the hammer to do strong cc and damage, why have traits that directly link the two?

Exactly. Sometimes I feel like they have no idea what they’re doing.

I remember the time when I first saw this skill in beta. I thought it was amazing, I’m gonna build my guardian around high armor, cc and healing my team mates… Then I used this skill and was dissapointed. :/

I can speak for DotA 2, and there’s a better change on dota to win a game if you have a balanced composition of the team, which is not seen in GW2. Not in PvE not in PvP not in WvW. It’s all about dmg here (maybe not in PvP where we have also bunkers) but other places for sure.

I kinda hate this. I thought we would have some roles at least but everyone is now running in a zerg train spaming whatever you can on enemies or enemy zerg trains.

Sad. :/

I still think that “can’t be done because of the performance” is just a cheap excuse.

I mean, taking a fortress/keep/whatever should be a long task not a 5min no-plan things you do by the way when running around doing whatever else.

At least I’d want it to be this way.

I wanna see this so badly, maybe this would even get me playing again. I’d just love if AoEs (not conditions) get buffed and have max tagets uncapped. It would be especially fun in WvW. It’s your own fault if you stand in AoE so either dodge or you and your whole zerg group gets melted by my AoE.

This could also be cool when trying to stop zerg at choke points. For example put static field down and lay some AoEs on top of it = zerg gone.

This would force people go spread around a bit maybe break in smaller groups or something.

Ideas?

Cloudwalkernz.1328:

LOL unlike the OP, I actually looking forward to a sub based MMO. Why? you may asked. It is because like a lot of people I am sick of all the so called free to play MMO. I always end up spending more money than I am on a sub based MMO. Also I am sick of the RNG and P2W rubbish.

As far as GW2 goes, it is fairly good value for money. Sadly, maybe because it has no sub, Anet don’t seem to be able to afford to make an expansion like a sub based MMO lile WoW which has just announce yet another expansion. Something that no doubt will help them to bring back a lot of old players and new alike.

As far as B2P, I think only Ever Quest Next is following that model. Every other new MMOs are either sub or f2p.

I’d rather pay monthly for a really good game aswell.

Mojo.7986:

American Express/Visa/Mastercard.

^this
/15char

Even if the expansion comes it won’t get me back. Unless they change major things like skills and traits system which is in my oppinion totally broken right now. There’s practically no build diversity.

Otherwise…

Peace out! drops mic on the floor

No.

Rather buy him minecraft. It’ll boost his creativity and serve him better than mindless MMO.

I bought my sister minecraft and she’s really into whole building aspect of it (she’s 11 years old).

There’s a lot of small reasons I’m not playing anymore. But the one big reason is that the game is not what it used to be, they went in totally different direction from what I expected (and from what they state in the begining).

I had hope for this game few months ago now I still miss playing it but every time I log in I just run around doing nothing for 10min and log out. Heard alot of friends are doing the same.

I still read forums once or twice a month to see what’s happening though.

They need to massage our nipples we’ll be happier and other cows will switch to pvp.

O_O

It seems that lately most of the “wars” in Guild Wars 2 are fought on the forums.

Has the game really become so boring that people rather fight on forums than in game or do we lack duels and pvp modes and stuff to do?

Hi!

I have insane thoughts sometimes that matching higher ranks with lower ranks happens because there’s not enough people (read almost none) playing pvp tournaments and they’ve implemented it this way so we won’t complain about waiting times which would happen if match making would be better.

Maybe it’s just me silly thoughts.

RoRo.8270:

Avatara.1042:

I hate the whole concept of dailies.

I agree I’m at around 12,500 just can’t be bothered with them any more makes the game feel like a job. It’s a cheap way to get players to login

Exactly…

Stonewall.9467:

Decrypter.1785:

The guild lord + 10 v 10 could be epic + guild ladder + observe with MATS regional + finals , there fixed pvp ty

A bump from one Gw1 Vet to another, this game needs more Gw1….

It sure does need more Gw1. That’s why I preordered. I thought pvp was going to be more like Gw1. :/

Mathias.9657:

Really? GW2 pvp difficult? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLLOHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

No. Even for the layman this game is extremely easy and straight forward, I mean we don’t even have to manage resources like in GW1. I’d looove to see these bads even attempt a GvG, hell even a RA match.

Fact: gamers are getting too lazy and devs are accommodating them, WRONG MOVE.

Get good or get lost. You have no place in pvp if you want to faceroll and win, that’s what pve is and always has been for. Pvp is already braindead and you want to make it easier… sigh, really.

What he said!

ryston.7640:

Diablo 3 has more viewers on twitch…

Yep. Sad but true.

On top of what other people said (balance, diversity, modes, …), I don’t PvP (not PvE for two weeks now) because I miss “skill=reward” too much from other games.

In pvp everyone can just jump in and spam (face roll) skills and do pretty good, in PvE there’s no challenging content with proper rewards.

To bad it was the last rant yes. He had such good points…

Darnis.4056:

Ive been playing d/p s/d thief for the last hour and a half…
I have to say d/p is sooooooo much easier to play then s/d..

Steal interrupts 21s cd, spammable interrupts.. dazes and ridiculous damage plus blind field. ..etc its beyond ridiculous.

This is not true. However ths skill floor for playing decent got quite higher because of the S/D evade build. You can do pretty well just spaming FS/LS and dodging. But there is a difference between a really good thief and a really bad one for sure. This holds true for every class/build, but currently the differences are not so distinct for some builds.