Guild Wars 2

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I’ve been around the sun a few dozen times. I can give some insight as to why it is this happens. AKA, the harsh and terrible truth as to why devs won’t talk to you. Not a direct “you”, but the “you” in the general sense, so don’t take it personally.

#1: You blow things out of proportion. A change doesn’t actually have to be big before people will moan endlessly about it. This is the internet, and people are always making a big drama about something, and just because you’ve gone on to the forums and found a dozen people who agree with you doesn’t mean it is an issue even worth mentioning. You’ll get over it, and if you don’t get over it, bye. We don’t want you here.

#2: You can’t be placated. If you’ve ever tried to reason with a tantruming child, you’d find it is impossible. And of course, being an online videogame, the majority of complaints come from just that. The playerbase is young, full of hormones, and also full of life’s little frustrations over how unpopular in school they all are. You aren’t looking for a solution, you just want to be angered by something. The reason why the devs won’t subject themselves to your every beck and call is because it would only fan the flames. Calm down, kid!

#3: Your complaints are irrational. Yes, just because you’re mad about something doesn’t mean that it makes sense, or is practical in any sense. The fact is that the devs can’t make the sky blue and not blue at the same time. and yet people will be angry at others for not doing their crazy bidding Whether you’re factually wrong, the solution you propose is worse than the problem, or you’re upset over something that can’t be understood by the rational mind, what you want isn’t correct.. There’s nothing to gain from talking to someone who is insane, because sanity is a per-requisite of meaningful communication.

#4: Your complaints are illegitimate. There’s a lot of vitriol leveled at the devs not because what they’ve done is necessary bad, but because something is bad for you. Even if other players want things differently, you are there with your own uncompromising desires, dead set on trying to make the world yours instead of better. Sometimes you have an ulterior motive, sometimes you’re just trolling, other times you just don’t care what other people think. Either way, your “feedback” is flailing wildly in a crowded room: it goes nowhere and just makes people more upset.

#5: Your complaints are a minority. Angered players speak out, content players don’t. While it seems like everyone agrees with you, in fact it is an echo chamber where the same 10 people just yell at their own shadows for days on end. Ultimately, to change any complaint you have it takes resources, and if there are a handful of cantankerous players irate over something, it doesn’t mean it is worth dealing with. The quality of updates and changes is subjective, so if you find yourself constantly out-voted on the matter, accept the horrible fate that your life will be filled with nothing going your way.

#6: The devs already speak with you, but you aren’t satisfied with the exact manner or how much. It is a goalpost that can be constantly moved, so to the belligerent mind can never be sated. Yes, the emotional black holes out there are all aflutter when something isn’t said fast enough, or where they want it to be said, or whether enough is said or not. No matter how much of a dialogue is trying to be casually opened, the fact is that you will always be looking to punch a gift horse in the mouth..

In short: You aren’t worth talking to. Now, I’m going to add this on to the end:

#7: The devs are people, too. Fact is, the devs don’t know what the hell they’re doing. Most people don’t. Most things in life are gambles. They’re going to make mistakes, and they’ll feel bad about their mistakes, or they won’t realize that something is a mistake. Thing is, you’re the worst person to tell them their mistakes. For the 6 reasons above, but also because you’ve assigned a air of mysticism around their work, and thus see anything that doesn’t suit you as the actions of a defiant spirit of some kind. The whole “fester with rage in their public spaces for weeks on end” is not a good look. It is not always going to be immediate that a problem even exists.

I like this guy/girl. Good head on their shoulders. It’s practical, logical, and makes sense… problem is it’s precisely the kind of thing haters hate. Still like though.

I’ve been around the sun a few dozen times. I can give some insight as to why it is this happens. AKA, the harsh and terrible truth as to why devs won’t talk to you. Not a direct “you”, but the “you” in the general sense, so don’t take it personally.

#1: You blow things out of proportion. A change doesn’t actually have to be big before people will moan endlessly about it. This is the internet, and people are always making a big drama about something, and just because you’ve gone on to the forums and found a dozen people who agree with you doesn’t mean it is an issue even worth mentioning. You’ll get over it, and if you don’t get over it, bye. We don’t want you here.

#2: You can’t be placated. If you’ve ever tried to reason with a tantruming child, you’d find it is impossible. And of course, being an online videogame, the majority of complaints come from just that. The playerbase is young, full of hormones, and also full of life’s little frustrations over how unpopular in school they all are. You aren’t looking for a solution, you just want to be angered by something. The reason why the devs won’t subject themselves to your every beck and call is because it would only fan the flames. Calm down, kid!

#3: Your complaints are irrational. Yes, just because you’re mad about something doesn’t mean that it makes sense, or is practical in any sense. The fact is that the devs can’t make the sky blue and not blue at the same time. and yet people will be angry at others for not doing their crazy bidding Whether you’re factually wrong, the solution you propose is worse than the problem, or you’re upset over something that can’t be understood by the rational mind, what you want isn’t correct.. There’s nothing to gain from talking to someone who is insane, because sanity is a per-requisite of meaningful communication.

#4: Your complaints are illegitimate. There’s a lot of vitriol leveled at the devs not because what they’ve done is necessary bad, but because something is bad for you. Even if other players want things differently, you are there with your own uncompromising desires, dead set on trying to make the world yours instead of better. Sometimes you have an ulterior motive, sometimes you’re just trolling, other times you just don’t care what other people think. Either way, your “feedback” is flailing wildly in a crowded room: it goes nowhere and just makes people more upset.

#5: Your complaints are a minority. Angered players speak out, content players don’t. While it seems like everyone agrees with you, in fact it is an echo chamber where the same 10 people just yell at their own shadows for days on end. Ultimately, to change any complaint you have it takes resources, and if there are a handful of cantankerous players irate over something, it doesn’t mean it is worth dealing with. The quality of updates and changes is subjective, so if you find yourself constantly out-voted on the matter, accept the horrible fate that your life will be filled with nothing going your way.

#6: The devs already speak with you, but you aren’t satisfied with the exact manner or how much. It is a goalpost that can be constantly moved, so to the belligerent mind can never be sated. Yes, the emotional black holes out there are all aflutter when something isn’t said fast enough, or where they want it to be said, or whether enough is said or not. No matter how much of a dialogue is trying to be casually opened, the fact is that you will always be looking to punch a gift horse in the mouth..

In short: You aren’t worth talking to. Now, I’m going to add this on to the end:

#7: The devs are people, too. Fact is, the devs don’t know what the hell they’re doing. Most people don’t. Most things in life are gambles. They’re going to make mistakes, and they’ll feel bad about their mistakes, or they won’t realize that something is a mistake. Thing is, you’re the worst person to tell them their mistakes. For the 6 reasons above, but also because you’ve assigned a air of mysticism around their work, and thus see anything that doesn’t suit you as the actions of a defiant spirit of some kind. The whole “fester with rage in their public spaces for weeks on end” is not a good look. It is not always going to be immediate that a problem even exists.

ham.8209:

Wanze.8410:

ham.8209:

Seera.5916:

ham.8209:

Seera.5916:

Considering today is Christmas and there may be an influx of new players, ANet may have increased server capacity to make room for all of the new players to the game who may wish to play WvW with friends on those crowded servers (since that’s what the population balance tells us these days).

Not the best time to use server status as a means to say the game is in trouble.

you are fully wrong about this all the way around . the numbers have been like this since

hot came out. and just not today ONLY . and that is a fact and Anet did NOT increase

servers or any thing like that at all. and this has got noting at ALL to do with wvw or

pvp

How do you know they haven’t recently increased server capacity? You work for ANet?

And newsflash: ANet changed how the server status is calculated. It used to be based on accounts attached to the server even if they didn’t do WvW. Then megaservers happened and servers now only matter for WvW. So ANet did the smart thing and made a new algorithm for the server status that only looks at WvW activity. And I never mentioned anything about PvP, so read more carefully, please. Thank you.

that information on who i work for is top secret information and not even who

i work for knows that information .

I am pretty sure youre unemployed, if your employer doesnt know youre working for them.

iam very sure you should go back to redit . since you know not a thing at all about

game Economy or any thing like that . and oh yeah think before u post. it is clear

you do not even under stand what this post even is about at all

It seems the topic title had to be changed because it wasnt clear at all to anybody, including yourself.

This post of yours, and I quote: ‘this has got noting at ALL to do with wvw or
pvp’ , and the title of the thread are contradictory.

Yes, confusing thread.

ham.8209:

Lord of Rings.5371:

Server population check online

Markus.6492:

www.gw2-tools.com/worlds.php

thank you Lord of rings i knew this information was here some place. just for got this

part of it. and also thanks for posting this too now maybe some will get the idea

more better but iam not holding my breath on it

Meaningless data without actual numbers, though I know it’s easier to just spew nonsense as fact rather than actual facts.

All we know is there SEEMS to be less people in WvW. Are there factually less people, only anet knows. I know for a fact that I spend a lot less time in WvW, but I can only say that for myself. It could be most people do the same as me and just do some dailies. It could also be people avoid it all together. While the end result is the same the reason for it isn’t.

Here is a fact for you that you seem completely oblivious to. Anet peridodically changes the threshold for low/medium/high and full servers. Without actual numbers all you are spewing is bloated opinion not fact.

ham.8209:

and my post here. is to show how the server numbers have dropped since hot came out.

While this might be your intention for this thread, you have not given us any evidence for that. Numbers might not lie, but that doesn’t mean that you happen to know what they say in the first place, besides you didn’t presented us any numbers or statistics to work with.

You didn’t even know how the server population is calculated when you started this thread and your claims that you know for a fact that ArenaNet didn’t increase the server population are questionable at best. They might not have been, but since this is hardly something that’s crucial for the community to know about, it might as well be an undocumented change from our point of view. And your ramblings about employment… geez, don’t ever do that. You’re just making a fool of yourself.

That being said, it’s not unreasonable to assume that there has been a decline for the active part of the player base, but without evidence it remains an assumption and nothing else.

ham.8209:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

ham.8209:

that information on who i work for is top secret information and not even who

i work for knows that information .

I can confirm that I work for the government. And from this thread, I can tell you probably don’t have any security clearance, so just let us know what type of job you have that gives you such expertise in the subject of game populations.

ham.8209:

i gave my proof take it or leave it .

What proof did you give other than a screen shot? Your OP makes it sound like you’re saying the game is dying, then give data on WvW activity. Yes WvW is in a freefall. Anyone can see that. But these players can simply be playing PvE, which is what HoT is full of ATM.

Edit – I’m one of those players who used to play WvW a lot. Now I only do dailies in WvW if at all. Doesn’t mean I left the game. I’m doing a lot of PvE and PvP now.

maybe you should ask your boss that information but then again you do not work

for the government at all . i got your information . but your just small potatoes any how

This statement just blows my mind with the extreme level of bullkitten. I’ve seen you say a lot in the forums recently while not saying much at all, nor do you even use proper sentences, and you expect us to believe your job is “top secret” and that you can know what other players do IRL? Give me a break.
You can’t even show us anything beyond a pair of screenshots (both of which lack actual numbers) in trying to prove your claim about the game population.

ham.8209:

Seera.5916:

ham.8209:

Seera.5916:

Considering today is Christmas and there may be an influx of new players, ANet may have increased server capacity to make room for all of the new players to the game who may wish to play WvW with friends on those crowded servers (since that’s what the population balance tells us these days).

Not the best time to use server status as a means to say the game is in trouble.

you are fully wrong about this all the way around . the numbers have been like this since

hot came out. and just not today ONLY . and that is a fact and Anet did NOT increase

servers or any thing like that at all. and this has got noting at ALL to do with wvw or

pvp

How do you know they haven’t recently increased server capacity? You work for ANet?

And newsflash: ANet changed how the server status is calculated. It used to be based on accounts attached to the server even if they didn’t do WvW. Then megaservers happened and servers now only matter for WvW. So ANet did the smart thing and made a new algorithm for the server status that only looks at WvW activity. And I never mentioned anything about PvP, so read more carefully, please. Thank you.

that information on who i work for is top secret information and not even who

i work for knows that information .

I am pretty sure youre unemployed, if your employer doesnt know youre working for them.

Look at Dulfy, theres guides to mastery points in all hot zones. You are probably missing the strongbox mastery points, theres a lot of them.

Theres no mastery points from events.

I didnt get terribly many mastery points from adventures, as I find many of them too hard for me. But I managed to squeeze out 2 mastery points from finishing the act 1 and 3 achievements. And a video helped me to get silver on sanctum scramble, so I finally coule finish training all hot mastery lines, sans the raid one. Never been in there.

I think central tyria mastery points is far harder to get. Most of them are gated by excessively unrealistic requirements. But ive had enough to finish pact commander mastery and putting 1 in legendary and fractals respectively.

You simply dont get enough tyria mastery points. Heard some rumors that you could get more tyria points from playing different races through the story, but a dev debunked it, saying it was an one time deal.

they changed how the server population is counted with HoT:

before HoT launched, servers counted everyone who chose the server as their home server, both PvE, WvW, and PvP players.

after HoT launched, servers only count active WvW population, no longer counting PvE-only or PvP-only players.

they even talked about in their official blogs leading up to HoT release, and in several dev posts here on the official forums.

Since when are medium, high, very high and full numbers? If anything, the OP has proven why the forums are going down the drain.

Considering today is Christmas and there may be an influx of new players, ANet may have increased server capacity to make room for all of the new players to the game who may wish to play WvW with friends on those crowded servers (since that’s what the population balance tells us these days).

Not the best time to use server status as a means to say the game is in trouble.

ham.8209:

Ayrilana.1396:

ham.8209:

coso.9173:

how is gw2 in “maintenance mode” just a few months after their first big expansion??

and if you look at my topic . you will just see for your self how that brand new pack

is really going. and how well the game is really being played or not

just so you do not have a hard time finding it

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/real-NUMBERS-do-not-lie-current-severs/first#post5880393

Except you were proven wrong, or at the very least less likely to be correct, in your thread. It was announced months ago that they were redoing how population levels were handled since only WvW really depended on them. This may also change again depending on how their WvW team revamps WvW.

it is clear your very uneducated with out a question at all . you proved that with this

post . and i will say it again and maybe you will get it this time

wvw and pvp does NOT MATTER HERE !!!

If you’re going to be rude and call someone uneducated at least use proper grammar, punctuation, and know the difference between your and you’re.

If you read the responses in that thread of yours, you’d see that the population levels are based entirely on WvW activity. Since you linked that thread, WvW does matter here. Thanks.

ham.8209:

coso.9173:

how is gw2 in “maintenance mode” just a few months after their first big expansion??

and if you look at my topic . you will just see for your self how that brand new pack

is really going. and how well the game is really being played or not

just so you do not have a hard time finding it

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/real-NUMBERS-do-not-lie-current-severs/first#post5880393

Except you were proven wrong, or at the very least less likely to be correct, in your thread. It was announced months ago that they were redoing how population levels were handled since only WvW really depended on them. This may also change again depending on how their WvW team revamps WvW.

Kirschsahne.2081:

Fluffball.8307:

Also GTA turns everyone into murdering thieves. C’mon, this topic is full of 90’s style mom outrage. We’ve moved on.

Yeah right……….. and we always move on after taking the next barrier.
When was the last time you took a look whats going on on this planet ???

In the 80’s kids could play outside until nighttime.
These days they can’t go out alone at all.

Do you think there is any connection to our times and always taking the next barrier ???

No.

One of the things people do is a whitewashing and glamorization of times past. But they had crime and murders. They had public executions by the state out in the open where all, including small children, could come and watch. They had lynchings where no one was punished and it wasn’t against the law to beat or sexually assault your wife.

There were reasons that children were allowed more freedom. One big one is that people had so many. A family might have 4, 5, 6, 7 or more children. 15 or 20 children to a family wasn’t unheard of or uncommon. With that many, it wasn’t unusual to lose a few before adulthood to disease or accidents. Most people now only have a couple of kids and you only have a couple of kids, you keep them closer than if you have 20 kids racing through your house. Another reason was lack of information. Nowadays a school shooting is known around the world. Then, it might not be known outside the place it happened. People hear more bad things from all around the world, and it frightens them whereas in the past they would never have heard of it.

Tiger.5763:

so much aids Anet need to make a new class Cancermancer

With dramallama elite spec.

why are there still people who would suggest something like that? Are you trolling OP?
If you have too much money just buy gems every month , then convert them into gold and you have your subscription bonus. And stop suggesting crazy thing like that on forum.
The selling point of this game is no sub fee. We dont want anything like that, optional or not. NEVER

Agemnon.4608:

We must understand that Anet is a business and to stay alive needs to make money. How does it do that? Provide services a player wants. For example the diamond subscription: you have a chance to a win for example a chrome school uniform. So many players will say, “I so want this!” and will take their chances with daily diamond scratches.

Dungeons and fractals would have five attempts per week on a free mode (they’d be counted separately so five dungeons and five fractals not three dungeons, two fractals, and you’re done for the week)

“I mean, maybe you just want to kill off WvW and ranked PvP "

No, they are in a serious state of neglect and imbalance respectively. PvP in particular needs drastic rebalancing, new map types (not just point holding and preferably new maps without NPCs something like Voidstar would be fun) and other changes that consider the power creep and all the big new AoE abilities. A subscription would help keep out players who don’t take the mode seriously enough to invest in it. Maybe it’d be better keeping ranked arenas for HoT buyers only with no subscription needed?

Alright, yeah, this post confirms it. This is a clever ruse. We have all been fooled. Let us all take a moment to wallow in chastisement, for we have been “owned” by this “epic troll post.”

Done wallowing?

Good. Now, for one last actual point of discussion: For what it’s worth, I agree that Anet does not need to resort to insane moves like this to enhance their revenue. I mean, they could, and it might work at least long enough to snatch some money and escape the burning building before it collapses in a fiery wreck, and I’m not entirely convinced that they’d be above pulling such a move, but…well. Okay, I don’t know where I was going with that. Jeez, what a negative thing to say.

I “get” it. At least, I hope I get it. There are folks on the forums who will defend literally any brilliant Anet decision that introduces more sinks, of time, gold, resources, and gems, and the modest proposal in the OP serves its purpose: to show the logical conclusion of the path we’re headed down this very moment, to perhaps shock people into awareness. I don’t like it either, but I also don’t know what to do about it. Do you?

Agemnon.4608:

Dungeons and fractals would have five attempts per week on a free mode (they’d be counted separately so five dungeons and five fractals not three dungeons, two fractals, and you’re done for the week)

I can’t believe you actually took my stupid suggestion and ran with it. I was being sarcastic…

Agemnon.4608:

We must understand that Anet is a business and to stay alive needs to make money.

Yes, it’s a business, we get that. Hence, we have the option of supporting the game via gemstore purchases if we so choose for bonus material. What you’re suggesting is still pay-to-win, and prohibits access to the core game for a paywall fee. This is still and always will be a terrible idea. Sorry, but this is never going to happen, so I suggest you stop before you embarrass yourself any further.

1/10 made me reply

(I seriously hope you’re joking.)

Agemnon.4608:

You can refuse a plan and still make money mining and events, craft ascended, do raids (but only five attempts per week wipes counting too) and do unranked arena, just no WvW or ranked arena.

But right now I can do WvW and ranked arena (provided I do enough unranked, but that’s besides the point). And I was sold on the ability of me to do so.

So please tell me how this suggestion benefits me? Someone who is not only so fundamentally against pay to win games that I stop playing/don’t play but is also unable to even afford it even if I agreed to it.

Your suggestion is pay to win. I despise pay to win with every bone in my body. So good luck finding something that would benefit me.

Heh. That’s pretty funny.

Wait. You are joking, right? This is a joke? Just a jape? Having a laugh?

I’m kind of sitting on the fence with regards to GW2 right now, and this suggestion would be, to me, a very firm push off of the GW2 side. First they take away guild features and lock them behind HoT and guildhalls, and now you suggest they take away even more features and lock them behind a subscription?

Seriously, I hope you’re joking. That’s an incredibly, breathtakingly bad idea. Maybe you could dream up some more shiny new features to stick behind this paywall, but walling off existing features is never, ever, ever a good thing. See that bolded text? That means my assertion is extra truthy.

I mean, maybe you just want to kill off WvW and ranked PvP (and maybe raids too), and even though I have no love for those things either, I have no problem with letting people enjoy them if they want. You should find healthier outlets for your feelings.

…But I’m not done yet. Help me, Billy Mays, as I come at you with one last gripe: TP restrictions? Really? What does it mean that a gold user can “use the TP” ten times a day? Does that mean 10 transactions a day? And what about non-subscribers? I have to ask…are you actually aware of the amount of junk loot a person can accumulate in a few hours of playing GW2? Furthermore, what if people just want to buy and sell stuff? We’re just going to restrict their usage of the TP because…¯\(?)/¯.

I’m just going to end this post here, assume you’re joking, and get on with my life, because frankly, it’s hurting my brain to think about this.

No. Just no. 100% no. Kitten like this would ruin the game for many, and benefit the few.

Also, I have to address this insane suggestion…

Agemnon.4608:

Gold membership:
-Access to WvW for 15 times per month. To avoid abuse you’d get kicked from WvW after three hours to ensure each time you log in doesn’t count as just WvW’ing just once.

Platinum membership:
-May WvW 25 times per month.

Diamond membership:
-May enter WvW anytime they want.

What kind of drugs are you taking that would compel you to suggest placing limited access to a huge part of the game that is already free to begin with?! Why stop there?! We should do the same for dungeons, fractals, way-pointing, and even logging-in!

Sounds like a suggestion which should be forgotten quickly

The day they add this or anything like this is the day I stop playing the game.

Your suggestion is PAY TO WIN and goes against everything Guild Wars 2 has sold itself to be.

You know, I lived in an alcoholic family, too. An abusive one at that. And you know what? Get over it. Laugh about it. I did, and I do.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Next, someone is going to make a post complaining about eating virtual sugary sweets in a video game and how it’s disrespectful to people with eating disorders.

It’s not real alcohol being drunk by real people. It’s pixels being clicked on by other pixels. If pixel alcohol bothers you that much then sit at home and read a book or something. (Don’t watch TV or read the bible. TV has alcohol ads and the bible talks about drinking wine).

That whole morality-driven movement upsets me… where do these people live? Welcome to “World”, where perfection is something not overly present. Next, these super-sensitive people demand quest-decriptions in transgender-writing with lots of asteriscs, underscores and so on.

My goodness, I wished these people got a life to live.

Broom.2561:

So you made a Wintersday achievement out of boozing. I really cannot say it amuses me in the slightest. Several of my relatives were alcoholics (past tense because they’re dead now… it’s not something that can be cured). I’ve seen what alcohol does to people and I think it’s just plain wrong to showcase the over-consumption of alcohol as something festive and desirable. Let alone in a game rated PG 12, when in many countries 12 is WAY below the legal age for alcohol consumption.

I’m of two minds about posts like this:

• On the one hand, of course we wouldn’t expect to see a requirement to smoke 10,000 cigarettes or eat 1,000 hash brownies or inject 5,000 vials of premium … well you get the idea.
• On the other, drinking is a pleasurable activity for the vast majority of people and the occasional bout of over-enthusiastic celebration isn’t — by itself — an issue.

I lean towards the second interpretation, because otherwise ANet should just cancel the game entirely. After all, it includes one of the five playable races torturing ‘people’ for science, the brutality of war (if only in a Disney version), extreme violence, player vs player competition, and so on.

At some point, gaming companies have to draw a line and say: “it’s okay on this side; we won’t cross to the other.” In my opinion, ANet has done a pretty good job of it: the game is free from most of the player competition in the PvE environment, most of the game is accessible to folks with little time to play, and they avoid getting ugly or gory in the story telling. So, I’d say cut some slack when it comes to celebrating holidays.

tl;dr sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Really though who cares? i am having fun and there are always tons of people to play with anything else is irrelevant .

Welcome to statistics. Your results have no validity. You can not say that your tests are actually measuring server population. You are unable to rule out other variables. There are too many confounding variables. If this was an actual experiment for research purposes it would be thrown out.

So you can go on and on if you like but posting when emotionally charged often leads to cognitive distortions such as magnifying and catastrophizing. This just means you dig the hole deeper and deeper for yourself. So it’s best to take a break, step back, and post later after thinking things through with your head rather than your emotions. Good luck.