Guild Wars 2

It was nice that they actually bothered to make killing Mordy more than just poking him with swords and fairies, even if it ended up just being poking him inside of the Dream. It always felt underwhelming how easy and simple it was to kill Zhaitan. I was expecting some sort of big deus ex towards the end, like oh hey the Forgotten had an ancient magical spell to bind the Elder Dragons, etc. Like what we got in Mass Effect with the Reapers. Killing an existential threat on the apocalyptic scale of an Elder Dragon with just martial ability is a tad bit underwhelming. Hopefully they expand on this “all dragons have a weakness” plot further, and each expansion’s plot can be driven by finding this weakness.

Additionally, can we get some further explanation for the repercussions of each Dragons death will have? We have Tequatl getting a power up a few years ago, and now we have a massive magical energy explosion from Mordremoth. Obviously killing Elder Dragons does something related to magic. Does this mean all the other Elder Dragons will be stronger now? What about environmental impacts? And so on.

Hey was wondering what you guys thought of the ending of HoTs (not the fight)
Feels like its lacking a bit of closure. Like you kill Traherene then “THE END”. At least Zhaitan had like a party and what not.

Please leave out any “omfg GRIND/masteries/omg long boss” comments.

Guild wars story used to have death as an element. Rurik/master Togo/kormir/jalis ironhammer/gadd and probably more I forget. It was lacking in gw2 and we got atleast 2 with hot.

You may think death is not necessary for the story, but without a little death the characters do not feel alive. 3 years of no death was kinda lame.

To be honest I agree with OP. These days people want to be always 200% a super over the top hero. And if it’s even reduced a little bit they flame the source of what they think is the reduction of that (in this case Trahearne). what people fail so see, is that like in Television series, a good character has a personality, and an evolution to it. Also sometimes setting the lead hero back a bit is NECESSARY to prevent plotholes. This was the case in gw2 BECAUSE Trahearne was the only one, able to lead, that was not affiliated with any of the orders. Big deal guys, this is story writing.

The hidden message was ‘anything for THE GREATER GOOD’, that includes stepping down as player hero from the top position, to not imbue the alliance with possible quibbles. That’s why Trahearne does it. Righteousness at it’s best.

Some people may dislike his voice, and without knowing it, hate his story for that. That is just not seeing the whole picture.

Anyway 10000% agree with op. Trahearne was a cheap ‘removal’. They could have made it more story correct by showing the pale tree have tears, by loosing one of her favorite, while recovering from mordremoth. But Anet was to lazy to implement a crucial part of story: Hoelbrak knowing Eir is death, and The Grove remembering Trahearne.

What makes it sad (imo) is that before reaching Trahearne in the jungle, the devs basically completely FIXED, what ppl hated about Trahearne: you, the player not being in lead position. You completely, absolutely, and with voice acting are now. They could have spared Trahearne, and just kept this line of ‘all power + voice acting to player’ going. But nope, they had to add a cheap death on top of it. Glad someone voices his/her concern over this. I’ve been wanting to say i disagree with the cheap (low impactfull even) deaths of Eir/trahearne in the story telling. It felt very cheap.

Caithe’s Story is better imo. You could have litteraly killed her. Or you could write a spin of that she’s killed by her Inner Darkness. They chose the second. More exciting, and more retention, way better storytelling.

I barely look forward to next dragon’s, personal story. The broken destiny’s edge 1 and also the all the time split up destinies’s edge 2, their combination just doesn’t fit. As some people call it ‘they don’t have the Charismatic connection’. That will weight high on the possible impact of the story in a negative way.

@ pope: there’s other ways to write a character off without killing it. Like "for me no more dragon fights, i leave the scepter of leadership to you ‘the player’ ". Or Mordremoth left some of his foul magic inside of Trahearn, not enough to kill him, but Trahearn will need to be taken care of in the grove for the next decades to find himself again, leaving the leadership to you. Or the Pale Tree releases him from his Wyld Hunt cause she feels/believes, that he has gone tru to much pain already. In fact this would have been very nice, cause if you fight next dragon and need info, one of the earliest introduction quest could be ‘visit Trahearn in the Grove, try to speak with him about Dragon X’ to get more info about that dragon. It’s not like he intrudes anymore apon story, he’s just a living dragon wikipedia then.

And if it would have been just Eir or Just Trahearn (and the person would have gotten a tru farewell with people moaning their death), then this issue might not be so big. But now the gap is huge. ‘PAF charachter removed’, PAF another. No closing story moment, sorry, you will never see your favorite char again. Like really? Even the Tybalt farewall (albeit short) was much better done.

The problem is that Traherne’s character arc was finished. This has nothing to do with whether you like him or not, but rather that he had nothing left to offer as a character.

GW2’s main storyline is the story of you, and the story of traherne, and the story of DE. DE and Traherne’s primary arcs were completed, but while it makes sense to have DE just go about their separate ways and explore what and who they are aside from that organization, Traherne’s arc is defined solely by the formation of the pact and the fight against Zhaitan.

The story demanded the dissolution or at the very least severe crippling of the pact. Not just for the HoT plotline, but for the good of the story going forward. The pact that Traherne and the Commander built was too powerful in a narrative sense.

However, with as important as the Pact is to Traherne’s character arc, it wouldn’t make much sense to have traherne persist if the pact does not. Traherne is defined by the pact. The only way for Traherne to belivably finish his story was to make the ultimate sacrifice.

The way in which he made it may have felt contrived, but a world in which the pact is ruined and Traherne does anything other than attempt to rebuild it wouldn’t make sense. It’s too core to him as a character. Traherne has to pass the torch to the player at some point as he has no depth as a character without the pact and the fight against Zhaitan, but there is not narrative reason for him to belivable do so willingly.

One way or the other, Traherne was always going to sacrifice himself to save the commander. It was the only way for his story to end. It doesn’t matter how much you liked or disliked him. The pact needed to die for believable strife against the remaining elder dragons to happen, and as goes the pact, so too does Traherne.

For this story to end, Trahearne really did need to die.

The big question is: “Can the sylvari be trusted?” Trahearne, firstborn and most well known of all sylvari, proved that they can with one of the few acts that would really prove it, giving his life to end Mordremoth. His death is inescapable proof that the sylvari can fight it off and stand with the other races. His death saves them from being held responsible for the sins of fallen sylvari.

Treesus indeed, it seems.

Catastrophe.2407:

Can we get a open all option for when we have stacks of 250 wintersday gift boxes to deal with? I farm like 750 or so per session with the JP and sitting there for 15 mins opening them is a chore, no one should have to do that when we need well over 10,000 boxes for the drinks alone.

You can use mouse keys to set a key to double click. I just set my number pad + to double click and can blast through a stack of items in a few seconds.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/use-mouse-keys-to-move-the-mouse-pointer.

I find it easier than using any kind of mouse wheel roll setup and can turn it on and off on the fly without having to ever tab out of the game.

kitten I swear if tumblr was a game, it’d be GW2. Nothing but people whining about their feelings getting hurt over some trivial nonsense like a movie being spoiled. Or the patriarchy.

Go ahead, flag my post. Get your safe space.

You people are flipping patties over something as tiny as star wars? Like is this the future generation I want to entrust my games to? this kind of attitude? sheesh… all this fuss over something that’s not even remotely good at all

No, just like I couldn’t report people for spoiling LA Karka locations in map chat for 2 weeks after it was released.

People talking about new things in map chat for the sole purpose of spoiling them are trolls and like to spoil people’s fun. I wish this was reportable, as it is a form of trolling.

However, people discussing the movie lightheartedly… I have no problem with this. Of course, it would be nice if they took their discussion to a more private chat if possible, to save those who do read map chat and don’t want things spoiled.

But if something is this important to you, it’s in your best interests to keep chats off or see the movie as soon as possible. There becomes a point where it becomes your own problem, not everybody else’s.

I have a theory that might protect some people against the spoilers though. If you have seen the movie, and see somebody write a spoiler in map-chat (and know it to be true), also write spoilers that are incorrect or just plain silly, to try and mask the correct spoiler.

Also, what’s the arbitrary time period to not spoil things in map-chat? 1 week? 2 weeks?

Expecting common courtesy from everyone on the internet is just silly. Of COURSE people are gonna spoil it….if not in GW2, then on forums….Twitter….Facebook…Youtube and Twitch comments….it’s going to happen.

If spoilers bother you so bad and the movie is so important to you, then go SEE the movie instead of playing GW2. o.o

If you can’t for some reason, then the only way to avoid the spoilers, is to avoid their source. You can not stop people from blurting out spoilers or being jerks. You CAN avoid seeing the spoilers if you avoid the places they are posted. But even then it wouldn’t stop some random you pass on the street from blurting it out, or overhearing someone talking about it on the phone. Instead of demanding everyone that spoils a movie be banned…..just go see the movie.

I just wish that people would stop saying that an entire community/ethnic group/profession is ‘bad’ because of the actions of people that make up .001% of the whole. The GW2 community is not bad and is not to blame. There are kitten people in the world, but that doesn’t mean entire peoples are kitten.

Seriously, stop it.

I just watched the movie tonight. It’s awesome, and I recommend everyone see it. That said, the days prior? I turned map chat off. After I watched the movie, I turned it back on. Yes, it’s a sad state, but obvious troll is still obvious.

I have no idea why certain people do what they do. But I’m not trying to figure them out anymore.

And I’m not feeding them anymore either.

Yeah, there’s a 73 post thread about this very thing. But really when it comes to big movies or events, people are going to spoil it all over the place. In games, on social media, friends accidentally blabbing, etc. Everything is out there. If people don’t want to be spoiled they have to either see/do things immediately or turn everything on the internet off and hold your hands over your ears if you leave your house.

You find spoilers in any methods of online communication. Twitch chat, steam, Xbox live, psn, etc. Might as well avoid all means of online activity until you watch the movie.

Lol.

just a FYI the shoulder skin is permanent. you do not need the 10k drinks by the end of wintersday. as long as you have everything else done, the 10k drink achievement is not going away. Of course the only tangible way to get the drinks outside of wintersday is the TP, it will still be there all year and continue next year as well.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I guess my beef with the “premium” Holiday skins is, that I don’t think there should be premium items during the holidays. The game is filled with hard to get items already. I’m not seeing the need to add holiday items to the list.

When people are playing during a holiday, most don’t want to grind long hours, spend tons of their gold trying to reach a goal or to make the choice between grinding in game or spending time with family. They want to log on and have a few lighthearted hours and get loot. The game dangling a wanted item out of easy reach isn’t what most people want at this time of year. After all, it’s what’s most people lives are like.

If they are going to make things hard to get then that’s fine. But not during the holidays. Make it out of holidays and part of doing regular game content. For holidays, make them part of the holiday like the yearly hats were in Guild Wars 1.

This.

I support the idea of premium or prestige skins in general, but holiday events should be more laid back in my opinion.

That Anet is purposefully attempting to encourage players to spend less time with their families during this already stressful time of the year is a bit weird to me.

I guess my beef with the “premium” Holiday skins is, that I don’t think there should be premium items during the holidays. The game is filled with hard to get items already. I’m not seeing the need to add holiday items to the list.

When people are playing during a holiday, most don’t want to grind long hours, spend tons of their gold trying to reach a goal or to make the choice between grinding in game or spending time with family. They want to log on and have a few lighthearted hours and get loot. The game dangling a wanted item out of easy reach isn’t what most people want at this time of year. After all, it’s what’s most people lives are like.

If they are going to make things hard to get then that’s fine. But not during the holidays. Make it out of holidays and part of doing regular game content. For holidays, make them part of the holiday like the yearly hats were in Guild Wars 1.

Mortheim.9321:

Roundabout.1752:

I’m loving this Wintersday, probably because I’m only doing the things I like and everything thing else can go hang.

Glad for you And i want shoulders, because i love to look and cute animations on my character. I really love them and i really want them. I don’t grind that much – i can say that in this mmo i’m casual. Still, that shoulders are soooo adorable, that i can’t resist. I think, my charr would be glad to have this item Still, 10k…And i have 9k to go…

Merry Wintersday to you, traveller!

The Winters Presence shoulders are roughly the same costs as other premium skins have in the past:

• Queen Bee, the Silverwastes only drop ran roughly 900g to 1600g (pre-HoT)
• Poly-luminescent refractors, from Halloween ToT, ran roughly 700-1000g (black) or 300-800g (green, orange) until Halloween 2015 (when the drop rate apparently increased).

Winter’s Presence is crafted/forged and account bound and the others are random drops. However, it’s still a premium skin and I think it’s odd that people think that it shouldn’t have a premium cost to go with it.