Guild Wars 2

While I’m aware that some people think the ratio in GW2 is skewed toward gem store, I don’t think so. I’ve played the two other B2P MMO’s out there (ESO and TSW) and both of them sell a lot of skins in the store, and I’ve yet to find anywhere near the number of skins in game that GW2 offers. At the end of the day, if a company’s ongoing revenue is from selling items, I’d much rather they sold skins than power. And, if you pause to think about it, there’s almost nothing they could sell that isn’t going to kitten somebody off because he wants it for nothing — even if he can earn gold in game and never actually pay for anything.

So. my answer is that the ratio in GW2 is just fine. I won’t attempt to quantify it, as the issue is more about personal tastes than it is about hard numbers.

Ehra.5240:

Ashen.2907:

Ehra.5240:

As a GW1 player, I’m sure you’re familiar with the fact that holiday events were a chance for players to earn something new without having to get into the heavy time/money sinks that other ingame prestige rewards called for.

The massive amount of time and uncounted platinum spent working on the lucky and unlucky tracks in GW1 during holidays qualify as heavy time/money investments IMO.

I guess I should have made it more clear that I was talking about cosmetic rewards. Title tracks were a huge grind, but they were never required to actually get the minis or costumes that came with holiday events.

Ahh, see the titles could be more of a reward than any costume or mini to me. This was especially true of titles that increased other rewards.

Ehra.5240:

As a GW1 player, I’m sure you’re familiar with the fact that holiday events were a chance for players to earn something new without having to get into the heavy time/money sinks that other ingame prestige rewards called for.

The massive amount of time and uncounted platinum spent working on the lucky and unlucky tracks in GW1 during holidays qualify as heavy time/money investments IMO.

So much just…What? in this thread. The JP is only basic movement skills…. If that is a problem then how in the world do they enjoy the game on a regular basis I wonder? or is the new attempt after the 40 page 10k thread poofed. You aren’t meant to have everything that you don’t work for. Sure one person will be disappointed that they could achieve the goal but what about those who take pride by achiveing what other couldn’t? Whats the point if logging in unlocks everything?

4k/10k no store bought – I can’t even stop my own train

PS. han solo dies

Lord of Rings.5371:

Raizen.7981:

Lord of Rings.5371:

Raizen.7981:

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And again, 99% of the negative posts are made by people that lack quite a lot of brain cells.
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This is the state of the game so far

Many of the negative posts were made by players with thousands of hours in this game.

So are these players lack brain cells to start with? or lost them in their thousands of hours of playing?

When people with 3k hours in the game insist ….call the game a grindfest, then yes, they lack brain cells

It appears the defender of the game is a new player with a short forum history while many negative posts were made by players with thousands of hours in the game. Yesterday, a player called himself, “King of BG”, with 13 legendaries posted quitting.

Maybe when one reaches 3k hours playing in the game, this “grindfest” could be an obvious conclusion.

So are players lack brain cells to spend thousands of hours in a game? or lost them in their thousands of hours of playing?

I wanted to start GW2 in 2013. I never did because when I start a new game, I read the forums for a few days before deciding. These forums made me not start gw2 at least 10 times. And when I started, I realised that I should’ve never listened to the forums, because nothing that I cared about(gold grind, boredom, uber difficult content, gear grinds) was real. So yes, that’s why I’m “a defender”. Because if there’s 1 player- 1 single kittening person- that would like to pick up this game and reads the forums, I feel that it’s my duty to show him the true face of the game, dismiss any false complaints, and maybe give him the incentive he needs to play the game.
I don’t want that any gamer that follows my mentality of research-before-play to be turned down by the game because the forums are a giant pile of kitten where noobs and lazy people spread false information. Cheers mate

There’s tons of people playing the game. There are probably a few people leaving the game as well. However, I’d wager there are currently more people playing this game than any time except launch itself.

There are people everywhere.

When people say the only way to farm gold in the game is SW trains, and when I tell them i make 100-200g a day they call me gem buyer, then yes, they lack brain cells

Agreed too. Auric Basin farms, is very less confuse and more rewarding than SW.

-You wanna get a legendary? Play 10 mins a day and save gold for it. In 3 years you’ll have it. You wanna get it tomorrow? Then yes, it’s a huge kittening grind.

like i make my full ascend. gear. the time gated items was near 30, so i made it in spared 30 days. with a goal to make 10gold per day to buy Silk Scraps to made at least 1 bolt of damask each day. no drama needed, and it was not “impossible”.

Lord of Rings.5371:

Raizen.7981:

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And again, 99% of the negative posts are made by people that lack quite a lot of brain cells.
..
This is the state of the game so far

Many of the negative posts were made by players with thousands of hours in this game.

So are these players lack brain cells to start with? or lost them in their thousands of hours of playing?

When people with 3k hours in the game insist there’s no way you can raid without being an elitist in full ascended and stat infusions, yes, they lack brain cells

When casuals playing for 30 mins a week can’t understand why they can’t go through time-consuming stuff(legendaries,raids,gear gathering) and why is anet “hating on them”, yes, they lack brain cells

When people say the only way to farm gold in the game is SW trains, and when I tell them i make 100-200g a day they call me gem buyer, then yes, they lack brain cells

When people try to get done in a month content -that’s been designed to be done in much longer- call the game a grindfest, then yes, they lack brain cells

Please don’t judge the game by the forums. Because you’ll see 100 guys complaining about stuff and none cherishing anything. And you’ll go on to think “wow, this game is crap/dead/not worth it”. The forums don’t show the ~million players having a great time in the game with no complains.
And again, 99% of the negative posts are made by people that lack quite a lot of brain cells. Read them yourself, they’re all aberations. The only true posts would be – balance some PvP stuff, and balance dungeon rewards so they see some action.
Stuff like
a) “grind”
b)“needs ascended”
c)“gold is hard to get”
d)“hard content”
e)“vanilla was so much better”
is extremely subjective, not at all true, and is spread by players that can’t make those 2 braincells work.
a)nothing is grindy.
-You wanna get a legendary? Play 10 mins a day and save gold for it. In 3 years you’ll have it. You wanna get it tomorrow? Then yes, it’s a huge kittening grind.
-HoT mastery grind? this content is supposed to last few years. you wanna get it done till 2018? kill a mob a day. you’ll get it. Wanna get it tomorrow? then brainlessly farm events, call it a huge kittening grind, finally end the grind, then cry 2 years for lack of content

b) nothing requires ascended gear, it’s been confirmed that all 3 bosses can be done in FULL exotics 10 man raid

c) learn to play. you’re delusional if you think it’s hard to get gold in this game. by far
d) central tyria was brain dead easy. HoT is still easy for the average player. nothing is hard in it, and the end-game shouldn’t be solo-ed, so there’s that
e)PvP- still there, we even got leagues
WvW- can’t compare pre-HoT 24/7 zerg rushes with the actual “have a strategy” meta
PvE:
-fractals same as before, less time consuming, no one forces you to spam swamp
-raids – awesome new addition
-dungeons – same as before, less rewarded gold make people say that dungeons are dead- they’ve been dead. they were only done for gold. Who did them for skins will still do them for skins. Who did them for fun will still do them for fun
open world- HoT events are very fun to do, except if you’re a kitten farming 12 hours a day for your mastery and calling them “boring and repetitive”. 4 areas, 4 metas lasting ~2h each, thats 8 hours in total. There’s no way in hell you can get bored by doing 8hrs of unique events in a casual way

This is the state of the game so far

Grinding is relative what you may find tedious and repetitive someone else may enjoy doing and whilst to you it feels like a grind to them its not.

Personally if i don’t find something fun i’m not gonna bother with it ,in this game especially you can pretty much do whatever you wan’t without worrying about a gear treadmill or whatever carrot to constantly chase.

You know how everyone says the rewards in GW2 is “terrible”?

My opinion is, it is terrible. So don’t bother grinding for it.

Just do the thing once or twice, enjoy the content and move on.

Tiny Tove.3589:

But in game it says “Only available during Grindersday” on the Grinder’s Presence entry for the drink achievement. And where do I get Grindersday drink from when it’s no longers Grindersday?

hmmm dev posts have got “after thought, but not much of it” written all over them.

You can still get gifts from the Christmas tree in your home instance (if you completed the quest to get the Star of Gratitude), which produces one gift a day. That’s not much, but there will be people selling their gifts on the TP over the year, although there’s no guarantee it will be at the same rate is used to go for (around 6~7 silvers).

More importantly, however, is that this implies the achievement won’t reset in progress when the next Wintersday rolls around. Well, hopefully.

*Shivers at the thought that this thread actually made it to page 2

To the Q_Q generation, all I ask is that you remember, Brawndo is not what plants crave.

CratZII.5872:

What about people who put the spoilers in their LFG description? Those are pretty hard to avoid if your looking to do certain type of event or a taxi?

And this is, I think, what would be better to address since it can’t be avoided without a detriment to the actual game.

I’m not sure if maybe setting up a system to select from different LFG options, instead of just allowing people to write anything in the field would be a good idea. But it’s an idea worth using if people are abusing the LFG in ways like this.

Blaine Tog.8304:

paintpixie.7398:

You are using a lot of very strong language for something that is a very minor offense.

And a two-week chat ban is a very minor punishment for an offense that might push people away from the game.

paintpixie.7398:

You may want to live in a world with pillows for walls,

Who said anything about that? I think it’s a kitten move to spoil things and I also think that it might be a smart business decision for ANet to put their foot down about it, but I assure you I’m not emotionally involved in this. I don’t want Star Wars spoiled for me but it won’t be the end of the world if it is. Turning off map chat for a few days sounds like probably the way to go for me.

I realize the cool thing to do these days is attack other people’s toughness but really, I’m just trying to have a conversation about this. So here, let me be cool for a moment: are you sure you’re not the one who wants to live in a pillow world where no one can ever discuss community standards? Because that’s sure what it looks like.

It is not a minor offense to punish somebody for something if it has never been stated anywhere that you will be punished for doing something. Now, if they change the rules to include something like this, then it would be perfectly reasonable.

As for the pillows for walls comment, I apologize. I don’t even like Star Wars, myself, don’t know how long it’s been out, or anything. But I do think it’s silly that people are always calling for somebody to save them from things when they have already been given the tools for protecting themselves from such “slings and arrows” as minor as these.

And actually, since you bring it up, I, personally, fall quite into the opposite camp. I would rather live in a world where nothing was a surprise, and people called me names. Than live in a world where I had to worry every time I opened my mouth if I was going to hurt somebody’s feelings.

I don’t understand… how hard is it to turn on chat until you’ve seen it? Or better yet, just don’t log in and go watch it. It’s pretty kitten simple in my opinion. It’s also the internet, there will be spoilers for everything everywhere. Society can not cater to every individual just because you MIGHT find out something about something you didn’t know about.

And let me answer this fact, if you found out a spoiler and the whole movie, I bet you’d still go watch the movie and enjoy it.

It’s also just a movie. Regardless if you watched it or didn’t watch it, your life will not be changed. You’ll still just go work like normal. Wake up the next day like normal. And do you normal things, like normal. So relax.

Blaine Tog.8304:

cocowoushi.7150:

^ What Blaine Tog said. Freedom of Speech is not as applicable as people seem to think it means.

That said its ridiculous to ban someone for spoilers. I’m getting flashbacks of FOR THE WATCH meme.

I don’t think it’s all that ridiculous. A perma ban would be excessive, but banning someone for 2 weeks, or even just banning them from chat for 2 weeks, would not be an excessive punishment. Think about it: by making GW2 map chat a dangerous place for people who want to avoid spoilers, they incentivize those people to simply not play GW2 until they’ve seen Star Wars. People who post spoilers are essentially trying to push their fellow players out of the game (if only temporarily), which is something ANet absolutely has an interest in preventing.

Conversely, if ANet gives themselves a reputation for coming down hard on people who intentionally post spoilers, then they set up GW2 as a safe space for people to spend some recreating time before they are able to see big movies, which means they might actually see an increase in playtime as people prioritize GW2 over Facebook, Twitter, or other online games they might play. Temp-banning people for posting spoilers would actually be a really smart business decision.

You are using a lot of very strong language for something that is a very minor offense.
I think you need to take a step back and think through what the actual repercussions of what you’re asking would be.
You may want to live in a world with pillows for walls, where nobody says anything that makes you feel “offended”, or sad, or bad. But that world will never exist. EVER. Even in Disney owned “MMOs”, where they limit chat to their own pre-selected phrases, people STILL find ways to annoy other people.
You are playing a game with other people. The best way to live among other people is to learn to get along with them, and understand that sometimes there are jerks who will try to ruin your day.
If this is the worst you have to deal with in a day, I’d say, overall, that’s a pretty good day when it’s all said and done. And it’s far better than the alternative. Because once you start banning people for rules arbitrarily (which is what you are suggesting they do, since this isn’t in the rules anywhere), you are going to lose more players than if they just let people work out the issues themselves.

Sometimes, people are rolplaying in public channels. I don’t like roleplaying, and I turn off chat when I’m in town sometimes. But should those people be banned? There are other channels for them to use. They don’t have to use map chat either.

Of course not.

Map chat is essentially a public area where anybody can talk, and anybody that doesn’t like it, doesn’t have to listen.
(I don’t know what to tell you about the LFG thing, though…I do think that’s something that should be addressed more seriously since it can’t be avoided without having a detriment on gameplay.)

Cyninja.2954:

You spend half your post agreeing with the fact that I was right. Then I’m an entitled brat? You have a very weird perspective** on entitlement.

I could care less about people spoiling stuff left and right, I know people can be jerks. Doesn’t mean I have to walk around defending it or being okay with it.

(Fixed that as well for you)

One sentence = half my post? There’s something incredibly wrong with your maths.

I’m not defending the fact that people are kittens. I’m saying that instead of putting up with it you have many options to actually deal with it!

I feel like we’re going around in circles. Listen, you use the resources to actually stop seeing people being kittens, and you’ll see less kittens. A child could understand that. If you can’t then I’m sorry, but there’s nothing else I can do to even try to help your poor entitled soul. Good luck.

it’s difficult to stop jerks from being jerks. it’s easier to adapt and put yourself in a better position to be successful. trying to nerf the entire world, including gw2, to remove and shutdown everyone who hurts your feelings is never going to happen.

i understand that this is a generation where everything is offensive and you want your safe space. unfortunately, in reality you are just a lump of decaying organic matter like everyone else.

tldr: adapt or live with the fact that you will never be happy.

Cyninja.2954:

So freedom of speach, which is essentially the freedom not to get presecuted by your government or censorship, is also a freebee to be be a troll towards fellow players.

No one is saying you aren’t allowed to spoil stuff ingame. It’s simply a kitten move and justifying it with the basic right to do it, shows only how little people think of their fellow players.

Then later, people complain why the community is going down the drain. There might be a correlation…

Also having entitled kittens wanting everyone to drop everything and shut up would have a correlation to the community going down the drain.

What you’re asking is akin to this:

I don’t want my house broken into. Therefore I take the appropriate measures to keep it as secure as I possibly can whenever I’m out. If I get broken into that’s not entirely my fault, because I have taken all the steps I can to stop the break in. It’s not my fault.

You don’t want your house broken into, yet you’re leaving the front door wide open, the curtains pulled back with that huge LCD screen on display. That looks pretty inviting to a robber, so they come inside your completely unlocked house and steal the TV. You didn’t take the precautions that you could to stop the break in. That’s your fault. But on top of that, then you go to the court and demand that all thieves be told not to steal.

You don’t want spoilers? Here’s a suggestion. Use the resources available to NOT hear spoilers. It’s not that kitten hard! It’s in fact very very easy!

paintpixie.7398:

General Health.9678:

Miss Lana Too.5794:

If I’ve seen a movie that I liked, I’ll want to talk about it. It’s not my fault that someone else is the one who doesn’t want spoilers.

You can want to talk about it all you want, doesn’t mean you should, you don’t have more right to talk than someone else has to peace and quiet.

Talk about it in guild chat, in local chat, in real life but if you broadcast in map chat and someone asks you to not talk about it, you should stop talking.

Uh, yeah…actually…people do have more of a right to talk than you have to keep them silent. At least in America…

So..uh…good luck with that logic.

If you are such a tender little soul, and you know that you will be bothered by spoilers, take precautions against them yourself. Turn off chat right after something comes out if you haven’t had the chance to see it yet, or even go see the movie sooner. Whatever you need to do. It is not the job of any community to censor themselves because you’re a big baby that cares that much about a “surprise” being “spoiled”.

That’s exactly it. If you have the capabilites (and you most certainly do, at least in-game, which is what’s being whined about) to be proactive to stop the spoilers from getting through to yourself, then USE THEM.

General Health.9678:

Miss Lana Too.5794:

If I’ve seen a movie that I liked, I’ll want to talk about it. It’s not my fault that someone else is the one who doesn’t want spoilers.

You can want to talk about it all you want, doesn’t mean you should, you don’t have more right to talk than someone else has to peace and quiet.

Talk about it in guild chat, in local chat, in real life but if you broadcast in map chat and someone asks you to not talk about it, you should stop talking.

Uh, yeah…actually…people do have more of a right to talk than you have to keep them silent. At least in America…

So..uh…good luck with that logic.

If you are such a tender little soul, and you know that you will be bothered by spoilers, take precautions against them yourself. Turn off chat right after something comes out if you haven’t had the chance to see it yet, or even go see the movie sooner. Whatever you need to do. It is not the job of any community to censor themselves because you’re a big baby that cares that much about a “surprise” being “spoiled”.

Cyninja.2954:

Miss Lana Too.5794:

Phobia.9651:

LOL people commenting you should stop using the internet if you don’t want spoilers… how sensible. Maybe people just need to stop living if they don’t want spoilers too?

If I’ve seen a movie that I liked, I’ll want to talk about it. It’s not my fault that someone else is the one who doesn’t want spoilers. Have some common sense. Of course people are going to talk about it, and that’s not their problem. If the person with the issue has options to stop seeing potential spoilers, then utilise them and quit whining. There are more than enough options in-game for that already.

So titling your lfgs which people who want to participate in group content can’t ignore constitutes as “talking about a movie you like”?

Randomly droping spoilers out of context in map chat to anoy people is a meaningful disscussion?

If you are trolling, then at least have the decency to call it by that name and don;t try selling people crap for roses.

If you are spoiling this movie 1 day after it’scinematic release, you are an kitten . There is no arguing around that. It’s called common courtesy towards your fellow players. You might want to pick some of that up eventually.

Wow I do not see where this hostility is coming from. I have not seen the movie, nor do I intend to. I have not dropped any spoilers, nor am I trying to “sell people crap for roses”.

General Health.9678:

You can want to talk about it all you want, doesn’t mean you should, you don’t have more right to talk than someone else has to peace and quiet.

You may have the right to peace and quiet as much as I have the right to freedom of speech. That’s called an impasse, except for me, I won’t shut up just because some idiot decides to demand quiet instead of turning off map chat which is VERY easily doable.

If you cannot be bothered to turn off chat/s because you want spoilers, then it’s your fault if they get spoiled.

They’re doing the same thing in WoW, both (reportedly) ingame and also on their forum. There’s one thread over there about that movie that has a title with no spoiler tag and none in the text. It isn’t something that’s this game only

Aidenwolf.5964:

1st two festivals after FTP both contain the Korean style grind you say the game doesn’t. These events before FTP did not.

I never said it wasn’t a grind, because it is, but even then it is no where near those styles of “cash grab” grinds, and to be honest with your hatred for F2P you should then know that the difference in the F2P your hating on compared to what F2P is in GW2 is huge.

Those F2P games are designed to revolve around milking the player out of real life money as the only option of continued progression during every aspect of the overall gameplay. Not just during a few silly achievements.

Look I don’t find any issue with your feelings of this being a grind or potential money maker for ArenaNet if those players who choose to do so buy Gems to convert to Gold.

I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that the last two event grinds relate to F2P being the fault of why the achievements have been harder for us full account players when F2P cannot even partake in the achievement without actually opening the gifts (or receiving donations of the drinks in large amounts through in-game mail) themselves while hoping that they can fully farm 10k drinks in two weeks.

It just makes no sense for it to be harder due to a whole account class that cannot even buy or sell the required drinks.

I think if anything that this really would have more to do with all of the feedback from players claiming that the game is to easy and wanting things to be made harder, or just plain bad development choices.

At least development choices seem more believable as getting the piece from the drinking achievement is not even remotely comparable to what is involved with getting the other pieces.

So if anything I agree with those on the forum who have been more constructive with their ideas (while not blaming an account type or players family status) said that this should have been separated into related achievements (as others are) with one giving the item needed and the other giving the title.

I think at least 2.5k drinks would be right had the development team went that way as 1k would have just been way to small of an amount.

Aidenwolf.5964:

You read correctly, I HATE Free To Play, I HATE it. I paid full price (max as I have a CE) for GW2 and they stole from me when they took GW2 FTP. I don’t care if you like it or don’t mind it My money is mine, not yours.

Free To Play games are a joke and I avoid them because this is what they do. They add so much grind that a player with a job and a family will shortcut the grind by using a credit card. That’s what Mad King and Winter’s Day post Free To Play have been… FTP style credit card simulators.

Don’t tell me to enjoy, accept, welcome or rejoice over having a product I paid for given away for free. FYI that Q for the jumping puzzle is a bit longer because free players need gifts too, even though the whole game’s a gift to them.

Free To Play is exactly what’s wrong with the game.

Well that’s what happens with software (as with any consumer product). It devalues, and instead of just letting it die out while becoming nothing more than the foundation of future expansions they decided to make a bold marketing move to help promote future growth to the player base.

It just so happened to have got stuck with an unfair F2P label (people immediately think Korean F2P model and shy away) that does not work or fit these newer hybrid F2P models, but then again in reality GW 1 & 2 has always been looked at by players of various MMO’s as F2P as it has never had a monthly membership fee.

Which is unfair to GW2 as its F2P does not have “buy in options” that allow it to stay free while having more benefit (to either the player or ArenaNet) than a full account.

It does what they wanted. It gives a nice chance to experience the core game without taking away from or impacting the benefits of what being a full account means.

FYI though I wasn’t telling you what to “enjoy, accept, welcome or rejoice over” as my post was simply pointing out an objective argument (based on having owned GW2 since launch and using a F2P account) to your blaming only F2P for this design trend.

As I said above F2P is of no benefit to full players let alone ArenaNet in regards to these past couple months when it comes to these new grinds other than it nudging them to upgrade to full account at best.

So again. Other than hate for the sake of hating you cannot even back up your claim to blame to show how these design choices are even due to F2P.

You don’t like it, and you don’t have to like it, but unless you plan to stop playing you are stuck having to accept it. Like it or not.

In the end though this game has always had a grind (just as GW1 did) in some form that resulted in potential money making for ArenaNet well before F2P existed.

Living World event chests requiring (outside the very rare key drop) you to buy them with Gems by either farming gold and converting it to Gems or opening your wallet.

Then there was the Molten Jetpack that required you to keep grinding the dungeon in hopes to get its drop, or somehow grinding enough money to buy it, or yet again opening your wallet to buy Gems to convert to gold in order to buy it.

We really must have been playing two very different versions of GW2 since launch, because I can toss out plenty of things that have been like this or worse from time periods way before F2P that show that this has always been a “credit card simulator”, and all you have to hide behind is to simply blame F2P instead of the real issues.

Its fine though. We all have to keep our own realities sane somehow.

For me its seeing that this is a company that behind the game is in it to make money to turn a profit, pay employees, and keep the money mak…er, game going as long as they can.

At least if your going to be mad about something base it on its real source, and that is that ArenaNet wants YOUR money right now. Not some F2P that is not a sure thing.