Guild Wars 2

You CAN survive a melee encounter. Has it ever occured to you that you may just be a bad player?

/edit: Just in case you don’t know: “Melee encounter” doesn’t mean that you just stand there trading blows and hope to be the last one standing.

I’m sure the two of us that play on SBI during Australian primetime can work something out.

Going to be an interesting week.

Ebay: Ha! We wiped your zerg!
SBI: No way! We wiped your zerg!
BP: Yeah right! Our superior ACs wiped both your zerg!

It’s the weekly Daecollo Protection thread!!

Geiir.7603:

As a thief I have to disagree. It’s not OP, it’s just a build people aren’t use to counter yet. Warriors have been in the shadows for way too long, and I’m glad I finally see some! I have never played a warrior, but I’ve never had any trouble beating them, and I still do. It’s all about evading or interrupting the skull crack, then it’s just about bursting the warrior down. With enough damage you can more him too..

When warriors dominate PvP / WvW with this build, then we can start talking about it being too powerful. And as far as I know, they doesn’t dominate any PvP part of this game.

Man i take my hat off for this is the first time i see a thief says something coherent.

This is what happens when you take people who have had to play for the last year exceptionally better than their opponents just to have a chance in any 1v1 situation in pvp. The margin of error of playing a warrior and actually having success at it versus faceroll classes like phantom mesmers, the necros pre-recent patch, d/p thief, original d/d ele, BM range, or any guard build was so small that if you made any significant mistake versus any of these classes you straight up lost, even if your opponent was just smashing random buttons on his keyboard.

What you are now seeing is warriors who have basically had to learn every other class in the game, and every viable build in the game, and perfect their own performance on different warrior builds get a sustain buff that is at least competitive with some of the other classes in the game. And now they are wrecking your face. Everyone else either quite the class or game a long time ago.

Excalibur.9748:

Puandro.3245:

Excalibur.9748:

Puandro.3245:

Excalibur.9748:

If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.

I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.

When you hit 80 hit me up man, ill be happy to duel you for some easy kills.

lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.

OP builds dont need more than a day to be good on them. Also since you claim to know so much about it then it cant be hard to pick up.

You realize that dueling builds are different from roaming builds right? If you know what build I’m gonna run, then you can just run a build specifically tailored to beat this one. How is that even fair?

So you are saying the build has counters????

Excalibur.9748:

If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.

I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.

When you hit 80 hit me up man, ill be happy to duel you for some easy kills.

Hunter.4783:

How does a thief go against it? Short bow? have you tried kiting a war.

I think what you meant to ask was:
How does a class with Stealth, Extremely High Mobility, and a weapon with a Teleport, kite someone who has 1 gap closer (rush) on a 20 second cooldown?

Obviously the answer is to buff Thieves.

PS: If he has Regen Signet, he’s weaker vs spike damage. If he has Surge, he’s weaker vs attrition. And if he has mending, he’s weaker vs both (but strong vs condis). I shouldn’t even need to say this.

I guess soon the warrior might be as good as a thief then Excalibur, and be able to remain in those fights and stomp all of them.

By the way nice job OP.

Linnael.1069:

The amount of opportunities you get to actually land a burst setup is incredibly, stupendously, absolutely too kitten high compared to the number of burst setups that other classes will get against you when you throw in mobility breaking immobilize and endure pain/shield stance.

I disagree.

Shatter Mes can burst just as hard as quickly, from range without having to land a melee attack to set it up. Engi can fully load you with condis inside of a glue shot. Thief can re-open on you many times. 1H strength guards… cmown mang.

Warriors are finally up to par with other classes. They’re just getting kitten on because everyone has been so used to them not being a threat (esp 1v1).

Also, people hate being stunned/feared/not in control of their char while taking damage. So any build for any prof based around those mechanics that is at all popular is likely to receive a lot of flak.

Blix.8021:

the same reason everyone else has to spec to survive a random glass thief 2 shotting them

Winner winner chicken dinner.

Excalibur.9748:

Ljiona.9142:

Excalibur.9748:

Heizero.9183:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

We still have low damage.
We still have poor sustain (can be easilly kited/killed.)
We are still one of the hardest classes to play.

This is lulzy coming from the highest damage, and one of the highest sustain class. It’s also the class that is widely considered to be ez-mode and faceroll.

Gaurdians/Rangers/Engineers/Thieves all have higher sustain.

Rangers have higher sustained damage, Guardians have higher Sustained Damage, Thieves have higher burst damage.

Please go back to your own forums.

Since when do thieves have higher sustain? If they’re in stealth they can’t do anything except regen health which is still lower than healing signet PASSIVE…

Warrior is widely regarded to do the most DPS, a lot more than ranger and guardian for sure. As far as burst DPS, warrior wins with hundred blades. Nothing can touch that.

0/0/30/0/0 Shadow Arts is an amazing tree, stealth means you can still be hurt but if you know your class and others you can avoid damage easilly.

Hundred Blades is the easiest attack to avoid in the entire game to any class.

If your dieing to it, AS A THIEF.. then I suggest getting a new pair of hands. The counter to hundred blades is moving out of the way, with a class that has multiple teleports and ways to escape this is easy. I’ve never died to 100b on my thief, even with the prenerf bullsrush+quickness+100b combo, it is SO easy to see it coming.

A guardian has Whirling Wrath, which is a hard to avoid attack unlike hundred blades because you can move and combo with it to pull foes to you, you can also use it to cleanse conditions as well (things that would prevent it from hurting your target.) Whirling Wrath is better in every way because it has MOBILITY.

Stop looking at big numbers, in PVP its mobility that matters.

Not all thieves have 30 in shadow arts though. I know I don’t. And you’re still forgetting that while in stealth thieves don’t do damage. Those that stay in stealth and never come out are just trolling. When they come out to actually do some damage, they got no more sustain!

Now let’s see, skull crack can be used every 7.5 seconds and most thieves only carry 1 stunbreak, 2 at max. Eventually you’ll be stunned then killed. How to dodge when stunned?

Besides it is well know that warrior has the highest mobility nowadays especially with sword/warhorn and greatsword. Literally 3000 range on a fairly short cooldown.

Joking? my thief craps on warrior mobility. Shadow trap. done deal. Withdraw. Done deal. Infiltrator’s/Steal. done. Plus sustain is heavy in SA. refuge when you are low and you basically have a 2nd heal. plus the passive heal benefit from stealthing. not to mention the condi removal gain from stealth is pretty much a must have. if you are losing to warriors as a thief, no way around it bro, you kinda suck.

It’s pretty obvious we use completely different builds bro.

I only have 5 points in shadow arts and don’t use daggers. It’s great that you counter 1 cheese build with another cheese build, but I prefer to win fair and square.

So in other word, you don’t want to have to change skills, traits, weapons, foods, runes, or sigils based on what you are fighting or what type of fighting you are doing. A thief should automatically win any 1 on 1 fight because they are thieves. If that doesn’t happen, the other class is clearly OP and needs to be nerfed. You do realize the definition of balance is you win 50% and lose 50% of the time.

Well I started eating food yesterday JUST to counter warriors. And why should I change my spec that works well just to counter 1 class/build?

the same reason everyone else has to spec to survive a random glass thief 2 shotting them

I’m going to go celebrate this thread by killing a ton of people with M/Sh GS…and I wasn’t even using the build anymore until these threads. Now I just want more tears.

Deathspike.1870:

At this moment, an Apothecary/Settler warrior with S/S and LB is much scarier than the ones chaining stun.

You know it.

The thing is, it certainly isn’t any worse than some of the gimmicky crap that already exists in this game. So I can thrash a guardian at their own game? Let them cry. Thieves bleed out while they try to hide from me? Good. Oh, and how I love watching mesmers slowly melt away.

Excalibur.9748:

It is true that the thief should win 1v1 vs every other class though, cuz we’re the dueling/roaming profession. And we’re pretty bad in everything else so it’s fair, don’t you think?

No.

Excalibur.9748:

Not all thieves have 30 in shadow arts though. I know I don’t. And you’re still forgetting that while in stealth thieves don’t do damage. Those that stay in stealth and never come out are just trolling. When they come out to actually do some damage, they got no more sustain!

Now let’s see, skull crack can be used every 7.5 seconds and most thieves only carry 1 stunbreak, 2 at max. Eventually you’ll be stunned then killed. How to dodge when stunned?

Besides it is well know that warrior has the highest mobility nowadays especially with sword/warhorn and greatsword. Literally 3000 range on a fairly short cooldown.

This is the forum argument problem 101! Not every build is made to counter every build it is impossible. You can try to build to hand as many situations as your gear, utilities allow but there is no 1 build for any profession that is always the best build for that fight.

Your argument is not every thief has 30 in SA and most thieves carry 1 or 2 stun breakers at most. Lets assume you run D/P then you have blinds to help you. If we assume you have off hand dagger then you need to be in melee right? So then you probably counter how can I get close because I can die after I get skull cracked. Thats like do you run and fight inside a necro’s marks and wells too?

I think there is a blend of skill of the human in mix with the utilities and powers a profession grants. That will always be in the mix; if it didn’t then it’d be boring as heck and we’d all be computers running simulations all day long.

My point is that I feel the warrior is fun. I win most of my fights because I consider myself an above average players. I think that if I played another class for the amount of hours I have on a warrior I too would feel the same about that profession.

There is a cross reference always to innate skills granted to professions and how it should all be equal so that player skill wins. I think it’s impossible to achieve.

The other point I want to make is that this is all relative. People come into these forums as maybe average or below average players and keep getting blown up by some average or above average warriors and think it needs a nerf.

What we need are people speaking intelligently on the different professions only if they’ve actually played all the professions and can articulate the differences in balance. As it stands now all I see above for the most part are opinions based on limited experience.

I am in no way saying I’m an expert but until we see something on this that explains in detail why X profession is clearly better than Y profession it’s all opinion of which means squat.

Also when people mention that warriors win hands down in burst DPS because they have 100 blades it clearly to me immediately makes me feel they have no credibility. In PvP or WvW 100blades is very difficult to land successfully over and over with no mobility. To make a blanket statement like that saying we win makes no sense.

I think most of these players in these professions have been riding with 1 at most stun break and been riding easy mode for awhile. They now have to actually give up some offensive utilities to counter the stuns with some stability stuff; either through speccing differently via traits, runes to lesson stun durations, or utilities. But instead of adjusting they are complaining because the hard decision is there that must now be made to actually counter it.

I just had a nice relaxing bath in the tears of classes who think of warriors as a free kill. Great for the skin.

I personally miss the CD zerg attempting to take our DG tower every 5mins…comon guys KG isn’t thatt different

Don’t feed the trolls. Everyone with half a brain is loving this change.

Amen Engels…

the devs just don’t have a customer centric attitude, they are still trying to fit the square peg in the esport hole and trying to balance the game on some terrible arena maps.

Warriors have sustain.

They better be happy when we pop out a banner or two.
All banners have really really cool buffs.

They should use AoE Loot. all of them.
And Praise us when we give them banners!
kitten pugs.

Can we please stop.

This thread is only here because a Dev made a kittening typo.

Greatsword is FINE the way it is.
Stop trying to fix what ain’t broke.

One of the number one troll specs got a buff…. seems legit

torridstoic.7492:

1v1. In WvW. Dodge more.

Still waiting on that whisper.

I’ve been told that you’re too scared to actually fight me after the last time I kittenkicked you 1v1 in the field. Of course, I don’t believe that, but here I am online after 6pm pacific and I still haven’t been whispered by you. If I’m online at all tomorrow, it will be early, so this is probably your last chance to protect what little is left of your name.

nothing new really 0-30-20-0-30, rabids, undead, s/s + LB and dual stances. He’s a very good player though was in top 50 of lb’s at one point so i think skill >> build imo and yeah..its hotjoins lol. I dont think he’ll stick with this very long though he changes builds like i change underwear..weekly

I would love to hang around here and chat but cracks knuckles I got a CoF speed run to do followed by a bunch of stealthing in wvw. Why is this a new post? I don’t know! It just felt good to say that.

I hit an ambient rabbit for that just swinging my sword. So pro.