Guild Wars 2

Fancia.3746:

Bovinity.8610:

Im sorry that you have not played a ranger yet… Rangers CANNOT continiously dodge like that… At best we have Vigor+50% extra regen… That gives 2 dodges, and then at minimum, another 3 seconds before the next dodge is possible… Given optimal conditions… Given the right weapons or skills, we can get another dodge or two in, and then only have 1-2 seconds of not being able to dodge… These dodges however are highly limited in direction and range. It’s not a viable option during Salazan, so that leaves two dodges before the 3 second window of not being able to… Now, we can have a sigil that gives full energy, giving us another 2 dodges… At which point we’re still back no dodges… Now, here’s the kicker… Assuming you’re running a fully defensive build, a ranger have ~24k HP. Salazans fire, hit you twice per second for 2000-2500 damage, for 10 seconds… You have at best 4 dodges giving you 3 seconds of immunity provided you are lucky enough to not get hit inbetween the dodges, which with twice per second is very common… That’s 7 seconds to go in which you have no dodges left. That means 14 hits, at 2000 damage each, at best… That’s 28k damage… You can heal for ~9k of that resulting in a net loss of 19k damage… And that’s the first 10 seconds of the fight… Now, the luck part comes in… Because Salazan will either start throwing a couple of fireballs on you which is easily avoided, but for the most part, he’ll just throw another fire ring on you… Except this time, you have 1, perhaps 2 dodges… And you’re dead… But hey, we have more skills to consider. We can be inv for a couple of secs, so let’s add that too… Well the inv is 6 seconds. So we can actually avoid all damage from the first ring… But then we take full damage from the second ring, so it’s still a death at that point… So in essence, the only way for rangers to kill, is to kill prior to that second ring being cast… Which is, as I said before… 100% based on luck… There’s zero skill involved in that because we have no way of influencing when that is being cast…

Which challenge? To survive the second ring of fire? Please, do tell how if you manage it… And then I dont just mean “I did it”… An actual breakdown of the fight…

I did this on necro and that profession has less dodge ability than ranger. At least you actually have access to vigor. I also survived a 2nd fire ring. You don’t need to be continually dodging. You need to strafe out of the way of what’s coming toward you. It took me a couple of tries, no I don’t feel it is easy, but I certainly know you can’t blame dodging.

Sorry but this is actually a l2p issue and not an issue with your profession.

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

want the price to drop as fast and as far as possible.)

God Speed

Dulfy has confirmed that the Rapier model is in the game as a player weapon model. However it has no item name as of yet accoridng to her post. She confirmed the same about the cultist fractal hammer.

http://dulfy.net/2013/08/06/gw2-champion-weapon-skins/

The Game Slayer.7632:

JobCreator.1956:

The Game Slayer.7632:

So now I get to make the point of saying that you are simply a troll. I make a very valid point, yet you decide to disregard it and make a troll-y post. I am also not “defending” anything, I clearly stated that we DID exploit, (if thats even the right word). I take back that we exploited, because its not the right word, I will call it glitching, because, we never took advantage of anything. That is the definition of exploit, right? Taking advantage of a glitch? Just checked, it is. We glitched, and took no act of turning the tides in WvW in any way, the only way we could was through map chat and telling people what we saw.

I’m sure that you said nothing of your exploits in map chat, that would leave evidence that ANet could verify, and it’s not like players communicate using any other means like Teamspeak, Mumble, Ventrilo, etc…

By the way, while you’re busy looking up definitions, search for: hypocrisy.

I have morals, and cheating is something I don’t do. I am the leader of Slay, and I was in a fractals when they did this. I joined them afterwards, and my, its pretty fun Now, if you can’t see that we were merely doing this to troll people, there is no hope for you trying to understand this sort of point of view.

Or perhaps look in a mirror.

Lol, buddy, im the kind of commander that takes your north camp and upgrades it fully. Then we built trebs and treb your citadel, and while were at it, we build rams on the portal on the way out. We are trolls, and as for hypocrisy? Why dont you search up the definition of Perception. Learn a thing or two. You have a different perception of what cheating/exploiting/glitching/trolling as i. Have a good day

you sound like a scrublord commander to me.

Evilzara.6378:

Aeros.2046:

JobCreator.1956:

Why am I not surprised when players from Borlis Pass are so quick to defend exploits? Must be your love of zoom-hacked Arrow Carts, among other hacks…

Secondly, as someone who has been on Borlis Pass since November and is presently serving as a leader for of one our larger guilds, I can honestly say I have no idea who this [slay] guild is.

As someone who’s been WvWing on BP since Novemeber, I know exactly who [Slay] is and I’m friends with the leader.

You really need to be more social.

o no i dont know a guild in a video game i am a shut in

I will add I remember BP crying hax on ebay for our 1337 back capping.

The tears flowed like a river….cept we were legit!

Now I read this and I giggle

Dio.2394:

JobCreator.1956:

Why am I not surprised when players from Borlis Pass are so quick to defend exploits? Must be your love of zoom-hacked Arrow Carts, among other hacks…

That is akin to saying “You’ve admitted you don’t care about jaywalking, you must also condone murder.” Take a deep breath and relax, the biggest injury was your being delayed in crafting a few minutes.

Not at all similar, in fact I doubt there’s any server you’ve been matched against that doesn’t know of your use of zoom-hacks to kill trebs and other siege in their keeps. It might be similar, if there weren’t countless accounts of players on your server both “jaywalking”(aka-exploiting) and committing “murder”(zoom-hacking). You’re all so defensive, I guess the truth hurts.

Why am I not surprised when players from Borlis Pass are so quick to defend exploits? Must be your love of zoom-hacked Arrow Carts, among other hacks…

multivira.7925:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Shanks R Us.2489:

Arenanet likes having a care bear game. Aww did mean ol pvp players kill you? That’s okay we’ll move this stupid PvE thing somewhere close to bad AI NPC’s so you don’t have to worry about it.

Well, since Anet made it rain with free badges of honor from achievement chests so that the PvE crowd wouldn’t break a nail trying to get their gifts of battle, I want free dungeon tokens without having to set foot in NPC land.

Agreed, it’s pretty much impossible to do dungeons with people from a WvW guild (as in getting them to wanna come, dungeons aren’t too hard :P). We need to get those tokens somehow….

I say whenever you kill someone in WvW wearing dungeon armor, they have a chance to drop a small amount of the tokens required to purchase said armor set. So if someone is wearing CoF armor, you kill them, chance to drop a few CoF tokens.

Would be neat, might get farmed/exploited though, so any player wearing any dungeon armor —> chance to get any dungeon token would probably be better.

MAKE IT HAPPEN ANET DUNGEONS SUCK

A shout out to the people I had fun fighting last night. Two condition builds – an engineer and a warrior from SBI, and a GS/Sw+WH warrior from BP. While I won against both former and feel I had the upper hand against the latter before it was interrupted, I may yet make minor tweaks to the build I’m running. Thank you for the good fights. =)

… I’m getting deja vu… Anyone else?

Have we had these same conversations before?

Seriously, this all seems dreadfully familiar.

C’mon people, stop being bads. Less talkin’ more… Oh good gawd…

Know what? I like pancakes… I’m gonna go “zerg” an Ihop blueberry short-stack now and forget I came in here.

TheGuy.3568:

Ashanor.5319:

redslion.9675:

TheGuy.3568:

redslion.9675:

TheGuy.3568:

“Unlike hammer which has its CC strongly telegraphed allowing for strong counter play using dodge his build has less animation time making the skull crack hard to spot. Also due to the fact that there are 2 ranged blocks on the Mace/Shield weapon set it makes the keeping ranged DPs up hard to sustain.”

My offset is Mace/Shield. And I use it to set up hammer cc.

Which means what?

That if the problem about Mace/shield + GS build is being unreadable because of mace, that is also my problem.

A little common sense is all it takes to read the mace stun is inc. I’m not going to respond to TheGuy. Seems he just loads his posts up full of rambling and nonsense and if anyone doesn’t feel like wading through the drivel and pointing out everything that is wrong, he automatically assumes he is right.

Look kid I get it. You don’t like the fact that your OP build is being pointed out as OP. You do not like the reasoning. This is no different than the quickness bull charge-> 100b complaint except if you miss the stun here you have quite a few defensive option a low CD on it and your is build tanky enough to wait on it. I get the new toy please do not break it argument, but there is no skill in playing this build. It is a stun lock cheese build that is getting the same defense every bullkitten no skill build has gotten in this game from the beginning. This is not new. The complaints will pile up. Eventually It will get nerfed.

It should be obvious to you all that once you see one build on one class start to dominate the meta that there is something wrong.

On another note exaggerating the abilities of other classes is not a defense. While I know the counters I know that just because there is a counter does not mean a build is not OP. You also all need to learn the difference between a stun break and stability. Also recognize that access to these skills often do not fit into most builds. The only class with strong access to both at the same time is actually warrior. recent changes to where the stun breaks are on other classes has actually buffed this build further.

Just because you want to have 3 damage utilities doesnt make this build op at all. This build is extremely predicable and the stuns are extremely easy to dodge. If you are having trouble you must not be that great at thief

If they shoot harpoon guns, I’ll take eight. One for each hand. You read that right.

Sil.4560:

rofl, I also hold a rifle in my teeth with an axe strapped to my chest though.

Yes, double skull crack eviserate kill shots.

rofl, I also hold a rifle in my teeth with an axe strapped to my chest though.

This is an amazing picture someone made of the current OP warrior.

Setun.4368:

petespri.6548:

Setun.4368:

Scoobaniec.9561:

protection doesnt not fit warrior, and personally i would like to see greater access to weakness on every weapons set, burst skills alone should cause it

This 1000x over.

If a warrior with a shield and sword isn’t the epitome of a protector, tank, etc, then I don’t know what is, heh.

Scoob is referring to us getting more weakness application across weapon skills over getting the protection boon, not a character ideology lol

That would be interesting, but It would have to be something like “33% chance to apply weakness on critical for 2-3 seconds.”

The funny thing is you don’t really see any complaints anywhere but on our forum. I think they are basically afraid to post it in the PvP forums because they know they will be laughed out. Here they can just be like “kitten u r warz, admit op now lawl” but there they will have the entire PvP community (minus a few that agree with them) laughing at them.

Guess what guys, almost everything that has ever been nerfed in this game has been nerfed for tPvP. Guess what, nobody is using warrior in tPvP, still. The minute this game is balanced around a couple bad players whining on the forums is the minute a lot of people jump ship.

This is pathetic, as soon as some looses a 1v1 to some class they start yelling every where
omgz so op plis nurf plissss, I mean it has high stuns, and an amaizing burst, does it have teleportations? Long range skills? Long range dmg? This build is easily countered, if you actualy try learning your class I’m sure you’ll find a way to beat this build lol. For god’s love stop yelling op op plis nerf at anything that unpleases you.

She’s responsible for an Elder Dragon being alive today. Logan ran to save her, instead of saving the world.

Suwash for Council! We need Quaggan representation!

I think what people are forgetting here is that this game isn’t balanced around 1v1, especially in WvW. Mace/Shield + Greatsword is a very strong 1v1 build, and maybe a decent small skirmish build, that is about it. Skull Crack only stuns ONE person for 3 seconds, in a bigger fight this is not even as close to as effective as in a 1v1 duel. Which again, this game isn’t balanced around.

This build has no range, little to no AoE, limited in-combat mobility. It is purely a burst build, if they don’t hit you in 130 range they can’t damage you. We have no teleports, no stealth, no protection, most of the time no vigor, easily telegraphed and predictable skills. We can be kited.

If people continuously use food as an excuse for a build being OP, then maybe (just possibly, maybe) its a problem with the food and not the build. And in my opinion, the foods that give +40% condition duration, -40% condition duration is a little bit much. Possibly toning it down to 20% would make it more in line with other foods.

What bothers me is just because somebody matches up badly against this type of build, they assume and call it OP.

Warriors match up very badly against Mesmers, are Mesmers OP? Before they might of been but not really anymore, but still a bad matchup. I got completely smoked by a Spirit Ranger on my condition-based warrior, are Spirit Rangers OP? An S/D thief killed a mesmer, are they OP? What people don’t realize or don’t want to realize is that it is a rock, paper, scissors type match up. One build might be effective against another but be completely crap against another. People just need to stop throwing fits because they can’t beat every single build with their one "super OP" build that destroys all.

Believe it or not, if you spec in condition duration on a condition heavy class. Conditions are a counter to this build. If you can manage to wait out Berserker’s Stance, chill, cripple and immobilize them, they won’t be able to touch you. This build typically does not carry any reliable condition removal. Which is why I run a condition based Warrior in WvW.

Guess what, for a very long time, every class was OP against a warrior.

I can see Healing Signet being nerfed by at least 50 HPS and the Mace Stun by at least half a second. Sad but ANet does cater to trolls who whine and complain more than actually bring up a decent point.

And again ...

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Roasted_Lotus_Root

This is your best friend against Warriors. IF you are still complaining about 2 second stuns which is what Skull Crack is reduced to with this food, then IDK what to say, maybe you should take a good look at your skill level and build. A 2 second stun is roughly equivalent to 50 blades (half 100 blades).

Its funny that people use food to justify nerfing a build when there is literally foods that can counter all sorts of builds.

I wonder how many of these trolls have actually tried to use this food against Mace Warriors. Or even use Melandru runes.

Setun.4368:

My only question is why not sword offhand for the torment stacks?

I run shield for its defensive capabilities and the free stun. When I successfully chain “Fear Me!”, Savage Leap, Shield Bash and Flurry, the fight is very well over.

As a secondary bonus, it gives me two leap finishers to double the time my fire aura persists.

itamar.4690:

Thiefs can be explained by a simple sentence-
Low risk high reward.
And thats about it.

fixed it for you

Xsorus.2507:

Going to chime in on this as well real quick, If your first answer to someone saying your build is overpowered is to point to another class that is considered vastly overpowered and say “Well they’re overpowered” then guess what, You’re overpowered.

This isn’t about Warriors no longer being free kills as you say, But maybe just maybe, Anet overbuffed certain aspects of your class recently in regards to how powerful it is, Just like the Necro..Which if you think about it, Is quite hilarious since they said themselves it wouldn’t take much to overpower both of those classes….Yet they still managed to do it.

Coming from someone primarily who plays a Ranger..Trust me when I say you mine as well just admit to being OPed and take the lumps, because the nerfs you’ll have coming to you will end up completely decimating your builds.

I’ve had my builds eat it constantly for the past few months…and i’m pretty much expecting to eat it some more next patch.

That isn’t really what those of us who want an explanation are saying.

Prove to us that the counters we’ve mentioned aren’t enough, and prove it without using WvW 40% food as the basis for the argument. Prove that the build can handle the sort of situations other bunker builds can. Use the counters to explain why the counters aren’t enough, and do it while trying to analyze why they would be enough.

It’s a strong build. It has more survivability than people are probably used to seeing on a Warrior, and it punishes sloppy play with a fairly simple combo. But if you’re going to make claims about it being OP, then I want to see some proof.

At this point, it’s the principle of the thing. All I see now is “just admit that it’s OP”, or “3-4 second stun on a 7 second cooldown gg”, or “you haven’t responded to me? I must be right, it’s OP”. Sprinkle in some claims about the counter-play without defining what quality counterplay means to the poster, and it’s an absolute mess in here.

I just want some critical thinking. Is that too much to ask? Is balance about insuring that a bad player with no build cohesion and blind ability spamming won’t get destroyed? I’ve dropped Thieves basically 100 – 0 with a simple Hammer comkittenf Hammer, because it’s OP with its AoE 600-range stun on a 7 second cooldown that you can basically guarantee to land with Leg Specialist?

At this point, I don’t know what people want. Warriors have generally been about melee pressure/control. Like it or not, this game isn’t new-player friendly. You’re going to get totally blown up by someone who knows what he/she is doing, or if they’re playing bunker, they just won’t ever die.

You’ll never catch a Mesmer and you’ll die without knowing why.
A Thief will perma-blind you or Backstab you for half of your health.
A Ranger will just shoot you forever, then once you get close, will evade 4+ times and you won’t do anything.
A Necro will condition bomb you back into your mother’s womb.
A Guardian won’t die, and meanwhile, you will.
An Elementalist also won’t seem to die, and you won’t know why.
A Warrior will lock you down and grind you into the floor.
An Engi… I honestly never get to fight Engis, so I don’t know. Suddenly sad.

Either way, I don’t understand what they want their fight against a Warrior to be. If you get chain-stunned and killed, it’s probably going to be frustrating. Ok. That doesn’t make it OP. If anything, stun is one of the most counterable things in the game.

So I’ll continue to wait for someone to try harder at proving it’s OverPowered. To prove that it’s too powerful in the game and needs to be toned down because it’s crippling sPvP, PvE, or WvW.

Note: 1v1 roaming matches have absolutely no substantial impact on the WvW match itself.

Mafuyu.9104:

Bannok.3152:

Really have grown found of EB, very good server, very balanced for us. CD was overpowering for us, but aside from that they were a class act. BP, however, I personally did not miss at all. Time after time of running to siege and running away from engagements. I know, you play for points and siege. Still makes for a boring match. Will be interesting to see who falls where after the weekend, I know we have just recently lost another guild and quite a few players, how about BP? Still same population pretty much?

Here you go
Yes, we totally run away from everyone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6550nm_77uk

that was the worst video I have ever watched in my life. Please do the world a favor and never make a video again.

Yeah, Mace+Shield is roughly as good as a D/D Ele was. Right guys? Comparable?

Guys?

killahmayne.9518:

you come into this thread calling this build OP, overexaggerating things and ask people to be objective. When you and other people clearly refuse to listen when they actually give you advice on how to counter it. Of course people are going to troll you, especially since Warriors are still NOT viable in pvp tournaments and have been at the bottom of the dumps for a year.

And maybe if you had listened instead of complaining, you would know that this is the easiest and most effective counter to this build for newbies who consistently take skull cracks to the face.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Roasted_Lotus_Root

No kitten right?! I’m getting pretty annoyed at these threads and everyone screaming about it when the counter is easily available if you choose.

I run this food on my Engineer since Engis are weak to CC due to lack of stability and not many stun breaks if you want to run kits.

Hell even some of the people have said kitten like ‘The build isn’t OP in PVP, but it is in WvW".

1 – WvW was never meant to be balanced.
2 – WvW has the counter available in the form of a simple food.
3 – People want to just keep crying about it being OP rather than trying to counter. I run Melandru runes, Cleansing Ire trait, Sig of Stamina and Berserker stance all to counter conditions. Crying nubs, how much counter stun do you run?

TheGuy.3568:

I get disgusted when people like you assume your right simply because you feel you have a fighting chance now. I never needed kittenty tactics like this. I play my lyssa warrior like usual and use my knowledge of other classes to procure my wins. A build where i find myself winning simply because i am too tanky to down and getting in melee range of me means certain defeat for my enemy is disgusting. Its not skill but OP mechanics at work and I rather have no part of it.

I get disgusted when people like you assume your right simply because it is what you feel, not real facts.

Hunter.4783:

For all the insults being thrown at us “whiners”, you have failed to provide any evidence at a proper counter to this build, or provide any justification why a single build can provide superior DPS, sustain, mobility, CC and immunity to conditions AT THE SAME TIME.

We gave ways to counter, you ignored them.

Well, the DPS of this build kinda sucks, at least compared to what warriors can do. It seems high because you get it in 3 seconds. Sustained damage is mostly very low (unless the build uses lower sustain and higher damage, but still sustained dps is meh).

Warrior’s mobility is mostly good for covering long distances or running away. It has a very low maneuvrability. And doesn’t come directly with cc. If I close a gap, switch weapons and stun, I won’t be able to 100b you.

CC is like your stealth: annoying, but it’s our class’ main mechanic.

Immunity to movement conditions only, obtained in great part with runes and food. Outside of Berserker’s Stance.

However, why we can have a good trade of all of these? Because we don’t have tricks:

We don’t have AI

We don’t have Stealth

We don’t have Teleports

We don’t have protection.

Let’s put it like this: Warrior is becoming the “no cover, all man class”.XD

We make up for the lack of these mechanics by having higher stats/higher regen/a bit higher damage

As people learned to work around stealth, you have to learn how not to die to our burst even if we hit you (example: find easy ways to apply protection, weakness or blind, use low cd teleports, use AI cc and so on)