Guild Wars 2

A few months ago, anet announced that they would add more means to counter boons, aka, “boon-hate”.

The community exploded and cried that the end of the world was coming. People raged how bad of a thing that was, and claimed that using boons would suddenly be a bad thing.

When that update came out, warrior’s boon hate was meh, and thieves’ boon hate was necessary to counter guardian’s bunkers. That was it. It did not ruin the game. The world did not get destroyed.

Now, this new Torment condition is coming, and once again, people are crying for the apocalypse, and how this condition is going to break this game.

To be honest, and that also depends on the actual numbers, but immobilize and KD seem to be stronger anti-movement effects than this Torment. How is torment going to destroy this game’s combat, for punishing movement, if there are other effects that completely nullify movement? Immobilize and KD make you eat entire, HUGE bursts if you do not have a stun breaker. The new torment will give you a choice between moving or not – you can decide to avoid a burst, or if there’s none, decide not to move and take less damage.

I’m not sure how strong it’s going to be, but it seems healthy to the game to exist a new anti-movement condition that has a different tactical purpose than the other anti-movement effects. It adds more depth and more diversity to combat.

Hi removing conditions with burst abilities. /end thread.

Boomstin.3460:

Hmm, all shortbow skills reduced to 900 ? fail

Well it is supposed to not shoot as far as the longbow, hence the “short” lol.

I wonder whakittens like in one of their meetings…

“So we added new powers to mesmers and thieves so we have to nerf things so we dont have a power creep… anyone have ideas?”

“How about we nerf the warrior?”

“Great idea!”

I think this is a horrible idea to give it to mesmers and thieves I cannot fathom the thought process behind this.

Let’s give necros something unique but lets give it to 2 of the most dominating and trollish proffs in the game as well. Way to drop the ball and cave in to the cancer that is killing this game.

ESPORTS AHOY I’m a sky pirate

p/d thieves are the bane of all existence in WvW. Its almost impossible to catch them and equally difficult to get away from them. And they are a condition build, Torment is exactly what they would use.

So, what now? ANet found that some Thieves were still getting caugth, or lose their target? They attempted to fix it before when they buffed the trait to increase speed in stealth to a whooping 50%. And now this.

Yeah this is going to be real fun. Cannot ever catch a p/d thief, and cannot ever escape a p/d thief.
Also, what the hell is up with all these boons/conditions that punish players for just playing the game? Retaliation if you hit me, Confusion if you use any skill and now Torment for just moving. Seems kinda important to get out of AoE and such…

So, next patch we’ll see another new condition? Suffering mayhaps? Deals extra damage if the target stays logged in? Thief exclusive, obviously.

Rallad.3802:

I believe the decision for thieves was to promote condition builds. I’m quite interested in how that will work out.

And people thought rangers with condis and pets was annoying. Cant wait to face a player who is near perma invisible putting conditions on my endlessly.

Why do thieves, one of the most mobile classes that gets to strike you while essentially following you while moving get a skill that will essentially force you to stop moving negating the only chance you have to stop their burst via dodging? Cause they needed more help to kill targets?

Sounds legit.

As soon as someone gets close…swap to the melee weapon?

Zenith.7301:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Zenith.7301:

You don’t make longbow more viable by making shortbow crappier.

Luckily they’re doing all of this:

Long Range Shot: Reduced the aftercast on this skill from .5 seconds to .25 seconds. Increased arrow speed by 15%
Rapid Fire: Reduced initial cast time by .4 seconds. Increased arrow speed by 15%
Point Blank Shot: Increased arrow speed by 15%
Barrage: Increased cripple duration by 50%.

Increasing arrow speed does not meaningfully affect the DPS of the weapon. It just increases the reliability of it hitting.

The longbow is not used because it does garbage DPS, and it has no defense.

Still if you hit more you do more dmg….

please edit your post to include the fact that if these notes are real, the SB received flat damage upgrades to compensate. The LB also received a lot of love. The sky is not falling

While I wouldn’t mind such a thing, it will still be nice to know SOMETHING is out there with the ability to detriment very mobile classes.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Amurond.4590:

A LOT of SBIers do not care about winning the match-up.

Good, because you don’t seem to be able to. I just don’t understand how you guys got higher ranked than bp, or ar. Nothing against you personally but as for wvw both are above you in tactics alone.

BP outnumbers SBI yet SBI was struck hard by by both BP and AR at the beginning of the match-up because we were higher ranked. Pretty funny in hindsight. I’m guessing AR nor SBI realised just how much coverage and numbers that BP had.

We’re higher ranked because we moved our way up the tiers by beating our opponents. You know, the usual way servers move up ranks. We’re losing this match-up for a variety of reasons, shoddy tactics inclusive. However let’s not play ignorant and pretend BP haven’t gained numbers recently.

Also, some people are delusional and somehow think that our huge numbers at particular times should = good coverage and don’t realise our numbers are very sporadic, once US prime time is over we could have a 330 tic or a 130 tic, it’s very up and down depending on the day.

Always funny listening to the server with the most players start the crap talking, lol. What would a wvw thread be without it? We da best because we got da most people!

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Oh and consider it pried.

We got asked to help on eb, but only had 7 people to fight the ar/sbi. Not saying you guys were allied, just that you were fighting our guards together and not fighting each other =P. Either way we still held out. Just don’t have the numbers to compete. It’s cool though, we still win this week =)

“Just don’t have the numbers to compete.” – lol

Anyway I don’t care about any of what you just said since the comment wasn’t directed at you, it was a friendly jibe at the dude who ranted and raved about being zerged but also said SBI wouldn’t have their hills back.

Time for my mandatory post I make in every one of these threads.

The only thing making the thief OP is how stealth itself works. If you block an attack from the one in stealth or dodge their attack, they are not instantly forced out of stealth and given reveal. Due to this, this can fall back and try again. Give them the reveal the second their attack is blocked or dodged however, and suddenly we’ll see less problems with the class in WvW.

If you know the class and know your roll in the group, any class works well in wvw.

+1 to OP, so sick of hearing all these people complain. Im rushing to get the meta done myself just because i want the shattered wings, and even with rushing I feel no need to complain like the other people. The weapon skins look horrible in my opinion, and even if I did like them, i would just go through my coffers instead of selling them to try to get a ticket instead of buying them for real money.

Completely agree with the OP, and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD… Guardians start wearing armor and push F to loot every now and then. Breathing also helps you keep from passing out at your keyboard.

Moa money. Moa problems.

Well, a growing baby Norn would need more substance to… Oh who am I kidding. Faaaan seeerrivce.

When you post that score and you pvd to get that score, its not something to be proud of. Many servers will have issue when you brag about high points against no enemies. The AR group that defended Hills in our BL’s had something to be proud but you really think that pvdooring those points shows anything? It shows me that AR had to wait for us to log off to do anything last night, and then posted wanting to brag about it. If you don’t understand that then IDK :/

DR? lol. DR does nothing but complain about numbers and zerging. Don’t think anyone on SBI has done that in this thread. I am sure AR is feeling great about how they have performed this week, but worry about your own server man. For the most part you guys are playing it REALLY safe. Staying behind towers and AC’s. You know you are not in the points battle, so like go fight.

We were massively out manned against DB and we were in the open field ALL night during NA prime time and learned A LOT. You are a commander, make this a learning experience and push your server against larger numbers. Nothing to gain or keep but kittening points when you stay in your towers. Or you just can just post on the forums about how great AR is and how happy your for them and continue to sit and watch the game from the sidelines.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Setun.4368:

Cute, AR and IoJ teaming up against us. One the one hand I’m flattered that we’re posing that much of a threat again, but on the other hand….really?

Oh no the 2 weaker servers ganging up on the winning one, call the Wambulance

Even though IoJ didnt help, you guys got stomped by AR alone

2v1 doesn’t matter. Don’t be a kitten bout that. AR stomped doors, its pretty impressive. Maybe you can ask AR who got stomped last night, when for the first time in days SBI had numbers on, besides that freaking EB mess. Stay classy IOJ.

Ah, the good old days of racing people to craft nodes and resenting other players when you see them. Maybe that’s what they were trying to evoke with this design, but it feels like a very conventional choice for GW2. It’s something I would expect from Blizzard, not ArenaNet.

You AR people must be wearing holographic armor or something, because I’m dealing, like, 50% more damage than usual.

KingClash.3186:

This is the 5th event they have added in the RNG box gamble, if they read the forums they know people hate it and the only conclusion is greed > care.

Arena Net reads these forums, and it is NC Soft that demands the RNG boxes. The developers aren’t the ones we should be complaining to; we need to petition NC Soft directly otherwise all these complaints are meaningless. Not because Arena Net doesn’t care, but because they are powerless to do anything about it.

Publishers control developers, not the other way around. A direct line to the developer will have zero influence on their publisher.

There’s a delicate balance between making these objectives useless and turning WvW into PvE. I personally think that the balance is about right for EB but should definitely be improved in the borderlands.

Thrashbarg.9820:

Skritt could be enlisted to steal supplies from enemy owned camps and delivery yaks, and deposit it in towers and keeps.

While that’s an interesting idea, it made me realise what could be a much simpler but still very effective change: make it so that centaurs/skritts position themselves on the roads that bring supplies from the north camp to the towers/garrison and kill any dolyaks they see.

This should only happen when they are owned by an enemy team (not neutral) and the 3 points for the dolyak that you normally earn should go to that team if/when the NPCs kill a dolyak. Also, the skritt capture should really be made faster – the respawn rate is way too low, it takes forever to complete.

The hylek/dredge/orges/quaggans could use a buff too

I think EB mercenaries are very good as it is, and it’s genuinely worthwhile to capture them. It might be slightly too easy to capture it back from an enemy (no indication it’s contested and very fast for most of them) but even then that’s a useful indication that enemies will come to your camp soon.

Bu the quaggans are definitely too weak. I think they should be strong enough to take an unupgraded south camp on their own (like tkitten NPCs) but not either not go to vale/water at all or not send as strong a group there and not be able to take it on their own (as that would likely make them too desirable).

It might also not hurt to make the quaggan shamans that destroy enemy siege in keeps stronger so that they can do their job without often being killed by unupgraded guards (making them just weak enough that they’d die against upgraded ones would certainly help make that upgrade more useful too).

In general, it seems like ArenaNet is using bundles, such as the eggs in the Karka Queen event or the mine sweepers in Canach’s Lair, too often. Bosses should be interesting on better grounds.

If this portion of the living story is what they put their “best” dungeon team on for a month or so, yikes. They should have used the Molten Facility team instead.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

You guys are getting your panties in a bunch. You dont know how this nerf will happen. You guy are like little kids crying before you get your whoppen. Why don’t you enjoy the time you have and cry after you get your spanking. Start documenting you dps now for comparison later. It may come with buffs to other area’s so just wait and see.

i second this

If they’re doing an actual comprehensive balance patch that takes a look at all aspects of the class, then good. But I’m not going to get too excited one way or another until I can actually read a list of changes, not just one out of what will presumably be many.

destoyer of lives.7963:

CptWheezy.6439:

Aeonblade.8709:

This thread is awesome. I didn’t know Maguuma could cry so much as a server. I stand by my statement that I miss the old Mags.

SBI you are a new face to me, and I still don’t really know much about you guys, as you rarely come out to play, forums or otherwise. Keep on truckin

Had a few good fights this week, mostly it’s been a thrashing sadly, it’s not any fun for DB either running over everyone, hopefully next week all 3 servers get a more appropriate match!

What a grejat post. I love paosts like this, I reaclly do. Its the genuine nature of it that really warms my hearkt. There is not evean a hint of overbearings or missplaced pride or anything.

:-)

I really wish people from DB would quit doing this on the forums. All this flaming all it does is really makes the server as a whole look bad. I respect our opponents whether we are winning by 10k or 300k.

Don’t worry.
We have plenty of respect for our opponents. Maguuma just gets different responses from many of us than most servers do. We have spent a lot of time together, and frankly the whole “Good game, good tactics, Maguuma are awesome opponentents” shtick is wasted on most of them.

Like 90% of Maguuma’s game is forum wars, so why shouldn’t we give them battles on the only front they’re good at? ;D