Guild Wars 2

Prysin.8542:

Brode.7689:

Shout rangers are horrible. They’re spending half their time casting the shout which also stops their pet from doing damage. (if it is even helping in the first place)

I could go on about how bad rangers are for 5 man roaming, but that’s for the ranger forums.

Sorry mate, but you obviously have zero experience on how to use shouts on a ranger. Iv’e been using them since… August/September and i can tell you, that in worst case, you have 0.5s “lag” between using the shout and the pet being back on track. You seriously need to learn how to manage your pet and how the ranger mechanics works.

Sorry dude, but in the end, it boils down to experience.

Ranger shouts revolve around the pet which is mostly a joke in team play contrary to the ranger-philes who believe otherwise. Even if a Ranger can make a pet less than useless, the shouts are pathetic compared to Warrior and Guardian shouts. I would take Stand Your Ground or Shake It Off over all the Ranger Shouts.

perfect 5 man team = 5 warriors, any spec, any weapon, faceroll = win.

Disagree especially since this is 5 man team vs 5 man team which happens rarely at least where my server sits. The numbers are usually not even and with your comp the spirit ranger, elementalist, and guardian will take most of the focus while the thief and mesmer dip in and out of invis. If my guild came across your comp the first target would be ranger then the ele if we recoginze your thief is running venom share we kill that since he has none of the usual slippery utilities.

It wouldn’t work. For a start, there would be no way to defend a tower at all as anyone on the wall would be vaporised in about ten seconds.

The only thing that removing downstate would do is mean that zergs win, always and that whoever initiates the attack wins, always.

It would cause cowardice, nobody would take any risks, or engage and the whole wvw idea would simply fall apart only to be replaced by PvDoor.

Removing downstate would completely break this game.

The very notion of it is silly.

1. Travelling in the real world is not free
2. To list anything on a real world auction you have to pay a listing fee
3. Usually the ways people are making money is by exploiting systems. Exploiting systems is not playing the game…
4. I agree wholeheartedly with this one…

Kabuki.9103:

Bazzoong.7145:

You can skip all initiative regeneration traits now actually for those kind of builds the change is pretty awesome.

Are you saying you don’t need Infusion of Shadow for DD builds now if you chain CnD? If initiative regen is that big, then I’d love to swap in condition cleanse.

Yeah. I swapped out Infusion in favor of Embrace after the patch. The buff is noticeable enough for me. I haven’t missed Infusion at all, and I’m loving the condi clear.

For the specs that made good use of opportunist though, I can see how this change could have hurt those specs.

Erebus.9276:

All I did was ask questions about his result since a wall of math bores me to death.

Then how did you come up with your “redundancy” conclusion if you didn’t even consider the OP’s math or have provided you own math to prove that there’s a redundancy?

If someone is doing the community a disservice, that would be you and Nike don’t you think? Since you both have not provided anything that can help us readers understand what exactly you guys’ are talking about.

The OP provided a lot of disclaimers, you both have no basis to get all worked up.

Instead, write up your own math so that we can compare your number from the OP’s number and leave us decide if there is indeed a redundancy or the whole thing is indeed a waste of time.

Erebus.9276:

Every example he uses take 30 in crit, which makes assassin redundant. Either his math is wrong or its mislabeled.

He acknowledge there something seems to be off.

wish.1027:

Ok at some point I think I did something completely wrong, cause wtf, why is assassins winning now? lulz.

However, neither you nor Nike have pointed out where did he go wrong. It would have been more productive of a discussion if you guys have contributed rather than being dismissive.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

It’s not melodramatic. He is posting bad analysis that could potentially cost someone hundreds of gold.

Again, let me take your attention to the OP’s post.

wish.1027:

This thread is not for the discussion of trait setups or builds btw. This thread is only for discussion about the math behind gear sets, food, sigils and runes.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Your defense is laughable, even in the example he posted with food, signet, banner of Disc he didn’t include traits! He used Toxic oils instead of dungeon food! He is comparing Apples to Oranges in that very example. What kind of person would look at that and defend it as legitimate evidence of anything?

Again, if you read the post, you’ll find this;

wish.1027:

This is going to assume youre one of those people running 30 Deadly Arts and 30 Critical Strikes.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

My criticism was that he used incomplete and flawed inputs and gets incomplete and flawed outputs.

Again, if you read the post, you’ll find this;

wish.1027:

If anyone would like to question this decision, please feel free to do so, and we can compare math between them and… whatever you want later in the thread.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

The very things you quoted show that! You are basically pointing out examples of his horrible conclusions. The problem isn’t me failing to read his OP, it’s you failing to understand why the OP’s post is terrible.

Again, if you read the post, you’ll find this;

wish.1027:

Ok at some point I think I did something completely wrong, cause wtf, why is assassins winning now? lulz.

Do yourself a favor and read the whole post before you further make yourself look like a donkey.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Good mathematical analysis should have a conclusion that helps the reader make a more informed decision. The OP’s analysis fails on that account.

In the context of end game pve, failing to account for traits/nourishments/utilities and common team buffs (banners, 25 Might, perma-Fury) causes the OP to reach suboptimal gearing conclusions. His bottom line conclusion is that people should buy pieces of assassins gear for their pve Thief, which is objectively incorrect, the result of incomplete or irrelevant analysis. Flawed inputs leads to flawed outputs.

wish.1027:

Assassins – Sub Stat Power – DA30 – CS30 – 25 might Stacks – Assassins Signet – Sweet & Spicy Squash Soup – Toxic Oil – 5 Power/1 Precision Infusion
(2019 + 235 + 300 + 250 + (35 * 25) + 100 + (5 * 5)) * ((1 * .36) + ((1.5 + 1.19) * .64)) =
7918.4064 Damage

Standing next to a banner of discipline w/ fury[/u]
Assassins w/ Curry instead of Squash, 6 Precision infusions
(2019 + 235 + 300 + 250 + (35 * 25) + (5 * 0)) * ((1 * .02) + ((1.5 + 1.19) * .98)) =
9772.1598 Damage

Why is the OP drawing such vocal condemnation?

Because people did not read the whole post?

He is encouraging suboptimal choices which waste resources for casual players who would be mislead. This is a disservice to the community.

The OP provides the information for those who choose to pick up either gear set and I find it very helpful when picking a gear set for my Assassin Thief — however less important for my Power Valkyrie Thief.

Some of us like to support the community and do not want to see such disservices. The costs of Ascended armor is so high for a casual player that a gearing mistake is back-breaking.

There are such thing as target audience and if you’re not one of them, then this information is not for you. The OP specifically said,

“This thread is not for the discussion of trait setups or builds btw.”
“This thread is only for discussion about the math behind gear sets, food, sigils and runes.”

Thus, people posting misleading gearing information about ascended armor are being actively malicious, even if they don’t intend it to be. People who act maliciously and damage the community are not generally treated sympathetically.

Melodramatic much?

If you are being honest, you would have admitted that the only reason you were posting here were to advertise your twitch and did not even bother to respect the OP by reading what he had posted. It’s quite obvious you did not read the OP’s post.

Draugl.8079:

dDuff.3860:

Now it is awesome back again

Indeed, the pistolwhip feels great again. But it’s a bit sad that S/P got so much collateral damage from the nerfs to S/D, i realy don’t like the casttime on infiltrator return :/

The cast time isn’t that big of a deal. If it rooted you? Sure. But it doesn’t. I roll with 2 stun breaks on my S/D or S/P anyway. You just have to learn to not wait until the last possible second to get out of a fire AoE. Cast it a quarter second earlier. Tada.

Greetings, fellow thieves! Keep calm and help me thinking about our builds after the 10 December patch.

Sword/Dagger
Is S/D still viable? I think yes. I tried it in SPVP and yes, that cast time is super annoying but the build is STILL viable. I also think that there are a few changes that might be done for the build, like swapping “Signet Use” for “Practiced Tolerance” if you used to run that, and maybe leaving “Quick Recovery” for something else (not Assassin’s Reward for sure, it would just heal 350 HP every flanking strike+larcenous strike) but might on dodge trait could be an option.

Dagger/Dagger
For some reason, I seriously think that it might be very useful for WvWvW roaming, since we can now swap the “infusion of shadow” trait for Condi Cleanse and/or Blind on stealth. I would like to try it in SPVP too, maybe something like 10 30 10 20 0, or 0 30 20 20 0. I think that it is still relies too much on CnD to be usable in SPVP but meh, let’s try.

Dagger/Pistol
It hasn’t changed. If you didn’t enjoy permastealth, you have been buffed. My 0 10 30 30 0 D/P build has been greatly enhanced, since I can now swap Quick Recovery for Pain Response and Assassin’s reward has been buffed. Other D/P builds, maybe more offensive, can now avoid going more than 15 in acrobatics (maybe stopping at 20 for Pain response could be good) to get more DPS, which really lacks in SPVP.

Pistol/Dagger
It has been greatly buffed. I used to run a 0 0 30 20 20 P/D build, I can now, maybe, drop “Infusion of Shadow” for Blind on stealth/Condi removal, or keep it and spam #3 some more. I don’t think venoms can be implemented in this build. Caltrops/Shadow Refuge/Shadowstep seem much better.

What do you think about venom-share, Sword/Pistol and (lol) Pistol/Pistol?

Admittedly I have only levelled a warrior to 80 and got a Elementalist to 35 but I can’t see any class being more fun then a Thief the ability to drop something’s health to 50% (or lower) in 2 hits is just so enjoyable! (normally I hate levelling characters in any game with a passion) it’s still super fun to go against a veteran monster and have to carefully link your skills together to make sure you avoid the right damage and still deal out a nice amount of damage yourself.

I might be a total noob at the game but for anyone who is thinking about levelling a Thief go for it! And hopefully you’ll find it as enjoyable as I do

Also Just want to give a shout out to everyone in game and on the forums who have helped me and answered my rather noobish questions about everything and anything

(My Thief is currently level 31)

Agg vs PYRO GvG from last night

^^ This is very true.

Like I said, this year, we find out that Scarlet was the reason Tixx’s workshop went haywire last year.

You dont have to craft them. They are just minimal stronger and you will feel 0 difference. Srsly why are so many people kittening about this? Their is nothing wrong about it.

I liked the way the story of Rox and Braham was done, Scarlett is indeed just chaos, no real story there, absolutely agree.

Lighter.5631:

- – thief is rather easy as other classes

Compare to, say, a warrior? For a new player?

Please.

Only now after about a month do I finally feel like I’m getting comfortable with the class.

OP, give it time.. it does get better.

There are major L2P issues here.

1st wasting your F4
2nd wasting your Blurred Frenzy
3rd no blindness
4th Blink —really?
5th off-hand sword —really?

L2P advice:
1st only use F1 – low CD and stacks confusion – use often
2nd Blurred Frenzy only a Heartseeker – if you insist on using a sword main-hand, but use a torch off-hand
3rd you need blindness – obvious reasons
4th remove Blink and pick up Mirror Images – your build requires more clones and MM is a stun breaker
5th dump the off-hand sword, get a torch for blindness or just pick up a staff if you really want to be highly offensive plus you get Chaos Armor for regen and blindness.

Other preference:
I’d use Null Field over Arcane Thievery. Arcane Thievery is only good in PvE against bosses who stacks boon. In WvW, you’re better off with Null Field.

I like your build — I think I’ll use it for my Mesmer with some tweaking — you just need to pickup the right skills and not waste them. Your build is actually the kind I hate the most as a Thief, so please use it correctly.

Dude, you’re an engineer. You can stack insane condition damage very quickly and abuse the full potential of perplexity runes all without even needing to target the individual as you can spam aoe’s/interrupts all day.

Condition damage is currently the most op’d nonsense in the game right now and abused left right and center.

You should be embarrassed to post in here as an engineer asking for thief nerfs with your class capabilities.

practice more. and thief is the worst low lvl chars. they pay off more at higher lvls.

just to put it in perspective. a thief with 0 poitns attriubuted and any other class with 0 points attributed….a thief will almost always lose. all the dmg and init gain/regen comes from allocation points. our builds/survival/dmg is fully dependent.

I really hate Scarlet Briar.

I know there’s lots and lots and lots and lots of good reason as to why everyone hates, but I’m more interested in the logic behind it. That is to say… Can someone explain the logic of using this twig as a villain instead, oh you know, DRAGONS?