Guild Wars 2

People seem to think that i dont understand that an Xpac can include content throughout the course of a year. I am well aware. Regardless, the HOT problem cant happen again. We want a complete product. We want an Xpac with most of its content delivered and the rest already planned out. Once again, I dont mind waiting, I am a firm believer of long-term rewards heavily outweighing short-term rewards.

Once again Anet please hear me. MO seems like a strategic man, but regardless….TAKE YOUR TIME. No matter what others say, don’t give a deadline until that story has been implemented perfectly, until you have a continent to give us, until you have a polished piece of digital art. Don’t rush, take your time. Your will have a couple of players demanding this demanding that, it doesn’t matter. When you slam a platinum medal Xpac on their face, youll be praised.

Ashantara.8731:

@ Adry:

While I agree that GW1 was doing much better expansion-wise (new continents, new races) and that HoT was quite a pain in the behind in some regards (until you leveled some masteries and got a hang of those crazy map designs), I think there is a major misunderstanding on your end regarding the story. HoT was not “unfinished”. The fact that we are now dealing with the repercussions of Modremoth’s death is an extension of the whole GW2 storyline about the elder dragons — it has nothing to do with “finishing the HoT plot”.

However, I, too, am growing weary of the elder dragon storyline being the main focus for years now and do hope for some new content (Cantha, Elona?) that has more to offer than just slaying dragons. I miss the exploration and mysticism of foreign cultures and hope ArenaNet will finally deliver such content.

I know that the story was the only thing about the Xpac that was complete but it wasn’t implemented the way it should have due to the rush of the Xpac. I played through it and I still haven’t felt the impact of Trahaern’s sacrafice. They have the story planned out for a few years to come, but the way that they implimenred it was poor and low quality. They could have focused more on one of the story’s main tragedies, but instead it was wasted on a rushed product.

novaspire.9801:

As someone who is well informed and in contact with high ups from the major communities involved in this game, let me tell you, those who think hot was up to snuff are in the vast minority. Frankly assuming that the majority are happy with it is hilariously ignorant, you only have to take a look at the state of the community for that. Numbers are dwindling, tensions are high, and a lot of the bigger guilds are losing members like a bleeding goat.

Op is absolutely right, I support this game, but even then the next expansion is a tipping point for not only me but my entire 100 man guild. I suggest those who are defending it and objecting with OP take a step back and think, how much would you enjoy your game still if half the playerbase who organised things suddenly jumped ship?

Yes exactly. Sadly, as one of your repliers stated, they dont care if everyone jumps ship they will enjoy the game as is. Truth is that what they said is extremely and profoundly selfish. Meaning, it doesnt matter that the game completely falls off, never remains top tier, and eventually dies, as long as they can continue their simplistic way of playing. My vision involves the success of the company.

Amaimon.7823:

Adry.7512:

Warcry.1596:

Don’t speak for me. Heart of Thorns was everything I could ask for and more. I love it and it has a high replay value for me.

When did I say the Xpac was bad? Did you not read reviews? ratings? The massive disappointment in the forums throughout several months? Well I did. I really enjoy HOT, but bits and pieces throughout two years…..is not a complete Xpac. This isnt a hate thread, its quite the opposite. While some players may see it different than my post, the facts show that for the most part, this was never considered an “expansion”.

You’re listening to what is knows as the Negative Confirmation Bias
People who love the game are in it playing, people who hate it are outside the game complaining about it.
When you go to the forum you’ll only be confirming your negative bias

ergo, 5% hate HoT, 10% are indifferent, 85% love it
You know only the 5% of people, and now try to speak for the full 100%
that’s not gonna float our boats

Ahhh social psychology, nice. Where are you getting these statistics from??? Because if they aren’t legit, then you are falling for the same trick.

Raolin Soulherder.3195:

I don’t know if I necessarily expect all of that, but my 1 absolute requirement is a build-saver/template system (even if it only saves traits and utility skills).

I had held off buying HoT for a few months since it didn’t have one, but then bought it after hearing that Anet was still working on some unnamed features that they might give us after the expac release (maybe things that were meant to be included in HoT, but weren’t ready in time for the release date). I had held out faith that a build saver was one of these features, but apparently it’s not since it’s been over a year and we’re still waiting. In fact, some of us have been waiting for that feature since GW2 launched. No more free passes from me. Wallet is closed until that becomes available.

kitten good point. I want this too lmao no doubt. I see no reason why it hasn’t been implemented yet. They might be working on it.

Amaimon.7823:

Adry.7512:

Blude.6812:

Fatalyz.7168:

Dear Anet,

Your players do not expect this.

Agree, don’t want raids, couldn’t care about PvP , WvW is way down the list for me as well.

The OP has no right to use ‘WE’ as if he speaks for the entire the entire player base. OP needs to edit out all the “we” and change them to I WANT.

Yes I do, you should read more carefully. Additionally “we” is subjective to the crowd I am referring to.

then who is this ‘we’ you’re talking about because a lot of ‘wes’ are currently denying their association to your ‘we’

Keyword is “currently”. Currently the Xpac is fantastic. Even at the beginning it had great quality but small quantity, which it’s why it was considered an incomplete Xpac. My friend, when the big man of a company aka MO has to come down and defend his product, you know it’s getting bashed. This can’t be questioned. Yes now we love HOT, me included, but the past can’t be denied. At the end of the day this is meant for anet, because I want them to standout, because I want them to be the best in the field. It’s not meant to bash the Xpac at all. I just want the next Xpac to put everyone it’s their place.

Blude.6812:

Fatalyz.7168:

Dear Anet,

Your players do not expect this.

Agree, don’t want raids, couldn’t care about PvP , WvW is way down the list for me as well.

The OP has no right to use ‘WE’ as if he speaks for the entire the entire player base. OP needs to edit out all the “we” and change them to I WANT.

Yes I do, you should read more carefully. Additionally “we” is subjective to the crowd I am referring to.

Warcry.1596:

If a million people believe something, it doesn’t make it true.

If A Net feels necessary to “better” the next expansion I won’t stop them… I just hope they don’t go backwards… If, content wise, it’s on par with HoT… I’m happy

Yes me too, HOT is great, but it wasnt when it was release. We are talking about an Xpac that STILL hasnt finished. YES Mordy was destroyed, but the HOT story didnt end just then. For the price is cost, players were very disappointed. By the time the next Xpac comes, the HOT Xpac will be DEF worth its 50 something bucks, no doubt.

Warcry.1596:

Don’t speak for me. Heart of Thorns was everything I could ask for and more. I love it and it has a high replay value for me.

When did I say the Xpac was bad? Did you not read reviews? ratings? The massive disappointment in the forums throughout several months? Well I did. I really enjoy HOT, but bits and pieces throughout two years…..is not a complete Xpac. This isnt a hate thread, its quite the opposite. While some players may see it different than my post, the facts show that for the most part, this was never considered an “expansion”.

We expect a full Xpac, not bits and pieces throughout the span of two years. Sounds like sarcasm? Well it isnt, this is literally what happened. Players Expect a FULL LONG storyline with depth and lore. We expect an entire continent that you have to discover as you progress through the story. We expect major content, with new armor, elites, maybe new race, cities, etc etc etc. We expect new bosses, world bosses and dungeons. We expect new raids. We expect new ground breaking ideas being used for masteries. We expect a major focus in PVP and a WVW revamp and rework. We expect/hope for player housing. Most players are happy that Anet has finally focused on pvp and that so many problems have been fixed, but even after that we are WITHOUT A DOUBT holding out to see what YOU deliver in you next Xpac. Depending on what you deliver, will result in a lot of our loyalty being kept or thrown away. I am a GW2 fan, and have been for quite some time, I been following the community for years. I’m sure we are waiting on your next delivery before we pass final judgement. Im a big GW2 supporter and i back you guys up, like im sure thousands others do, but always know, we are waiting on the QUALITY and QUANTITY of your next Xpac. The 3rd Xpac isnt what we are waiting on, its this one coming up.

So PLEASE take your time, dont rush. Perfect it, polish it, expand it, impress us. If you need to gather more income/resources (which i doubt but okay), then PLEASE do so. This is what everyone is waiting on.

EDIT: This thread is meant as words of encouragement, with a serious tone. I am a GW2 supporter and believe in Anet’s vision. The FACT that the first Xpac was rushed and incomplete is NOT an opinion. PERSONALLY I am enjoying the soon-to-be the complete Xpac of HOT and its really good for a first Xpac NOW. In the first several months of its release….it wasnt. As a matter of fact it faced several negative opinions and reviews when it was released.

We can’t do it in its current situation, it’s not manageable. Anet needs to focus on wvw if we are to increase its popularity. Spvp is doing amazing, great breakthrough, but wvw is meh. I say att more complexity to it. Look at planet side 2 for inspiration if you want. Now I’m not saying copy them but if you seem stuck and can’t find creative juices for wvw then read up on other open world massive war games and see if you can come up with something on your own. Please guys common wvw needs this.

Lordareon.6851:

Hi! i played Guild Wars 2 until just after the expansion was released then i stopped because of Real Life work.
I’m going back now and i found out that Colin left ArenaNet and he was such a great guy, i’d like to know how GW2 is doing without him

Its doing way better without him. They actually created a fixed blueprint for creating content. Meaning that now they know how to structure everything, allowing them to work faster and better.

Jomaz.9517:

It is not a big suggestion, and the title should explain itself, but, for the past 3 weeks I can’t stop thinking about how cool would it be if we got a Black Fractal Weapon. It would have the same effects of the Gold or the normal one, only that would leave a black trail. And, for acquiring it, I was thinking about buying the Crate, just like the Golden one, that we could buy with 10 Cubes of Stabilized Dark Energy, and 20 Integrated Fractal Matrix, instead of the Golden Fractal Relics. Or maybe, add in the game a Black Fractal Relic, whatever Anet decide it is best.
Anyways, any opnions on this matter?
Thanks for the attention

OHHH YOU GOT PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THIS!! I bet they are already making something like this! good idea.

OriOri.8724:

I think a Glint based fractal could be kittening awesome! It could either be a group trying to get through Glint’s Lair back when she was alive to talk to her (perhaps even the Master of Peace trying to get the egg?), or a boss fractal surrounding Destiny’s Edge trying to go kill Glint, and then she talks to them and convinces them that she wants to help. As long as it features Glint’s Domain I think it could be pretty kitten awesome as a fractal.

OMG OMG OMG OMG!! THIS!! +1 for this post OP! I wouldLOVE this. With GW2 mechanics/graphics and added features and difficulty. OMG GREAT IDEA!

Wildkitten.3872:

Adry.7512:

At the beginning of the game, there was a rumor in the MMO world that said GW2 has NO end content.

This wasn’t a rumor and it was, and still is true. As the devs said then, the entire game is end game. GW2 isn’t a game where it’s rush through meaningless content and get yourself into a raid where the bosses could all be square boxes for what anyone cared about.

Fortunately the “raid” experiment seems to be dying the death it deserves to. If anything it needs to be tuned to what UW and FoW were like to GW1.

The whole point to GW2 is the story about defeating the dragons as well as subplots created during GW1. As such, the ENTIRE game is important, not just what happens when you get to level 80.

Well if you read just a sentence or two further I’m sure I confirmed that the rumors were true, but luckily it no longer is. Sorry but you are wrong on so many statements that I don’t know where to start. Gw2 =\= gw1 and it never will, ever. Raids is yet another platform of creating content in which devs can create challenging content and add a strong amount of lore and back story to the game, it will never ever die. Additionally, the story isn’t about only killing dragons lmao. If you would read the games lore then you would understand that the story will go much much much further and it will continue. If the game ended when the dragons are killed then the game wouldn’t last more than a few years, which makes no sense. I could continue this reply but honestly when someone is so wrong, it’s hardly worth the effort. I do understand how you feel though, but no you’re wrong.

Chad.6104:

It’s taken them a while but I think they’ve finally figured out what to do with this game they made. I think they thought at launch that people would endlessly do events in all maps of all levels and that they didn’t realize how big cosmetics would be in a game without a traditional dungeon/raid endgame. Then they spent time on trying to make it a true Living World, a noble goal that was destined to fail. Finally we have a game now with new maps opening up, cosmetics and goals added to each of these map, expansions, raids/fractals and permanent living story. If they continue along this line they will be adding content to keep people busy in a way they didn’t when the game was new.

YUP! you basically described their history on point. Currently, their content format is top tier for sure, especially in the long run.

At the beginning of the game, there was a rumor in the MMO world that said GW2 has NO end content. This was completely true….BACK THEN! In our current state, GW2 provides more end-game content than any MMO of its age (4 years old right?). ALL new maps are lvl80, which provide massive meta content and achievements/items to work for. Crafting/collecting/exploring goes hand in hand with creating end-game gear. SPVP has recently seen a massive upgrade, which improves pvp content in vast amounts. Fractals have seen similar upgrades, providing challenging end-game content for players to enjoy. Both previous statements indicates that pvp and end-game content is receiving a lot more attention than previously. You can also WVW, but we all know that is still lacking the necessary attention, regardless, its still fun! We have map bosses, which increases in variety after every update. We have a massive wardrobe you can work for if you want to collect items. We have HOURS of story playable content; personal story, HOT story, living world story, current events. Masteries to level up, and elite specs with every Xpac (we speculate). Lets not forget RAIDS, which provides even more challenging content for competitive players. Well the list goes on if you want to be more specific, but thats most of its relevant content. IN MY OPINION, thats a ton of content, which continues to expand! In 3 more years, i expect this game to have more content than any other game on the market…except maybe very very very old games like WoW…which is an outdated game ANYWAYS and its starting to copy GW2 features, which made me laugh.

EDIT: The problem with us MMO players is that we want spoonfed linear content. Meaning, people dont like to figure things out on their own. Instead, they want “hey you, follow this narrow path, here you go” type of end-game. GW2 doesnt provide that. After you become lvl80, its up to YOU to know the game and figure out what YOU want to work on first, and expand from there. This is a complex game, but its also casual, meaning you can take your time to figure things out.

Linken.6345:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

I never said “NO” and I never said “won’t” personally, I said I’d rather see new content, which in my mind is maps, story and lore. Of course a new race is possible maybe even probable, but I will say it isn’t likely for a while, maybe until all the elder dragons are defeated.

Well if you read the edited comment i made to the thread, youll see what a new race indicates. I’m glad you stated maps, story, and lore. Adding a new race requires a deep focus on all three. I have stated this throughout this thread repeatedly. This game needs to expand lore and add depth to their story. An Xpac that offers a new race would require a strong dedication on maps, lore, and especially story. Anyways, I dont think it will be on this Xpac, maybe on the fourth one….if we’re lucky, the third.

Yes but they can add all 3 without having to add a new race at all.

Well yes of course. No doubt about that.

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

I never said “NO” and I never said “won’t” personally, I said I’d rather see new content, which in my mind is maps, story and lore. Of course a new race is possible maybe even probable, but I will say it isn’t likely for a while, maybe until all the elder dragons are defeated.

Well if you read the edited comment i made to the thread, youll see what a new race indicates. I’m glad you stated maps, story, and lore. Adding a new race requires a deep focus on all three. I have stated this throughout this thread repeatedly. This game needs to expand lore and add depth to their story. An Xpac that offers a new race would require a strong dedication on maps, lore, and especially story. Anyways, I dont think it will be on this Xpac, maybe on the fourth one….if we’re lucky, the third.

Ashen.2907:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m am not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

Probability is expressed mathematically.

Where are your numbers?

If you’re a statistician. Probability is a word. Your comments are rather pointless and ill intended. Dont be surprised if you get ignored. Maybe if your next comment is a bit more constructive and includes a bit of depth, then you’ll receive a response. Asking for statistical date on a constructive opinion. Do you realize your comments really lead…no where? LOL

Ashen.2907:

Less analytical than wildly speculative really. Not really any more facts supporting the addition of new races than there are for the addition of space craft to go after the mother of all elder dragons who lives on another planet.

There is less evidence supporting the opinion that there wont be a new race. Its highly probable. NOT for this coming Xpac, but for a future release.

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Seera.5916:

Chances are if we ever do get to go to Cantha or Elona that we’ll get a new race, even of it is just Human – Canthan or Human – Elonian. I just don’t want corners cut with their development of the new race just to say they added a new race. I’d rather no new race if they don’t give them the same treatment as they did to the original races.

That makes alot of sense to me honestly. Why not be retro and go back to GW1 ways and have Canthan or Elonian be the new “race” and tweak the looks of the existing races in minor ways so they have a different look or flair to them. New faces, hairstyles etc. that are only available with a character actually from that respective continent.

They could do that. They could even have existing races such as Charr or Asura over there and explain it by shipwrecks or Asura gates and give those races a new look. The voices and armor would stay the same and they could fit into the vanilla personal story with no problems.

I dont see why not. I mean Norn is a different type of human….so yea its a possibility. Plus its been so many years, who knows what new races these continents have to offer.

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Revilrad.1962:

TWO HANDED AXES. Cant be that hard.

That shouldnt be hard at all. Hell they can add it to greatsword users!

DarcShriek.5829:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Your “shoehorn a race” into the game isn’t what people want from a new race. No matter how you state it or how you portray it.

Don’t speak for everyone.

For one, your “shoehorn a race” argument might seem reasonable to some but from my perspective, you’re just being unreasonably picky. For two, you’re specifically picking out the suggestions you don’t agree with while offering nothing to replace it. For three, I don’t even think all the checkpoints you list off are even wanted by the majority and you only want it there to specifically sabotage the implementation of a new race.

Would it be nice to have a “like the original” Personal Story? Sure. How many people actually liked the majority of the PS? Not just the 1st chapter, but going through the orders, making the pact and following Trahern’s lead…How many people like the changes they made to the PS? How many players go out of their way to replay the PS on all their new characters? While I do enjoy the PS on my characters, up to a point, after you go through it once then explore some of the branching options, I don’t tend to go through most of it after that. Even with there being the PS for a new race, it’s still not a big deal (I’m certain it wouldn’t take that long to create…just about 3 Living World updates worth of missions should do it). Regardless of how much effort and time it would take to make a new race’s PS, I’m not dead set that it MUST exist just like it has for every race prior. It can be changed, it can be updated in pieces, it could coincide with living world updates, it could be something completely different. Encouraging Anet to create something polished and unique is good, but suggesting they must follow a stringent formula even if that formula is lined with hiccups and mistakes is not.

I don’t have an issue with there being a new race. I do have an issue with sidesteps and shortcuts and it not being properly implemented. Adding it by Living Story episodes, and it not having the same types of features the other races have… I and “some others” (is that better?) do not think that is the proper way to go about it.

And what would you and others know of proper? You’re not making the content, telling the story or investing the capital to have it made. My point is, if the devs want to seek a different method or outcome, partially because it would be easier, cheaper, faster, make more sense for their choice in delivery or just because they want to do something experimental, who are you to label it as a short cut when ultimately adding a race would still require a massive amount of work? I guess this truly is the age of entitlement where the only time you won’t get called out as lazy is if you take the path of most resistance and still get whined at for not devoting all resources to every individual persons desire. They could try to go above and beyond to add something but if they don’t bend over backwards while also adding some other thing while simultaneously fixing all bugs, they might as well shouldn’t have bothered at all.

Speaking as a game designer, there is no way I would take the steps you’ve mentioned to shoehorn any feature, new race or otherwise. The reason is that I care about my product. For example, voice over is tricky enough already with professionals. To have a non professional do even the simplest of tasks is just asking for problems. You mentioned using someone with a less demanding job than others to do it. Let me be perfectly clear in game design all tasks are demanding.

Speaking as a consumer there is no way I’d want to play a game that cares so little for it’s product that it would take the steps you recommend. If your looking for cheap, shoddy games to play I think you should try the indie market.

Exactly! and that is why adding a new race in the long run is brilliant. It’s the perfect chance for Anet to focus on lore expansion and story development. Its the depth and richness that will add even more flavor to this game. Now that Anet has found a platform for their game, I think that lore and story are the next step. A new race would be a perfect opportunity to focus on these things.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

armaduras.8972:

I find most of this argument funny. The price of adding a new race, it’s entire development, is a drop in the bucket compared to that of a new expansion— which we will be getting.

Except it’s not a “drop in the bucket” compared to the other things that could be done with the same resources.

Make a list of the things that would happen when a new race is added to this game and compare it to what needs to happen for adding a new expansion story and 1-2 living stories. Similar resource needs, but the latter has appeal for nearly everyone, while the former has a more limited appeal.

In addition, adding a new race adds to the future maintenance costs of the game (designing armor for a new race, voice acting, story telling, etc), whereas Living World stories are one-time costs.

It’s worth reminding ANet that people do like new races, but it’s a mistake to be so enthusiastic about the idea as to ignore the economic realities.

Wrong! That is not how features are created for an expansion. There is a set amount. Its not “oh no new race so let me add 10 new things to replace it”. The introduction of a new race opens doors to new cultures, armors, cities, architecture, maps, and possibilities for growth. New mechanics for an expansion wont be cut for the sake of a new race. WHAT WILL HAPPEN is that the storyline will have a main focus on race introduction, lore, and depth.

armaduras.8972:

I find most of this argument funny. The price of adding a new race, it’s entire development, is a drop in the bucket compared to that of a new expansion— which we will be getting.

All I see is people complaining about ‘amount of work’ necessary for a new race. I’m no special snowflake— so I don’t have an issue with a nonlinear timeline. When I help a friend kill Zhaitan, my character is living in the past. I was there, I did that. I have a brain capable of including my friend in my adventure. Most people are completely overthinking new races. Introducing them to the Order of Whispers/Pact/Priory and then into the Pact wouldn’t a problem at all. A Kodan/Tengu/Quaggan/Skritt/Moa Commander? We already have Quaggan Pact Members.

When you start a level 1 human, you are starting the human in Tyria’s Past, not the Present. It would be the same thing for any new race. When I bring my Charr into Kryta, the Krytan Humans don’t address me as a “Stinking Charr”, infact they don’t talk about my race at all. Nor do the Land Stealers in Ascalon call my Human character the rightful owner of their lands. Long Live Ascalon!

^ THIS!! people dont seem to comprehend this.

Seera.5916:

@Adry.7512

You’re really telling me, that as a customer, that what I want doesn’t matter?! When what I want factors into what I choose to buy and what I choose to not buy? I can’t think of anyone who doesn’t factor in what they want into what they buy or don’t buy.

That if I do not want a race put in withbshort cuts taken just to have a new race, I should not say anything because what I want doesn’t matter? That I shouldn’t voice my preference for a race that has the same effort put into it as the other races because what I want doesn’t matter?

What I want matters. I’m not saying that ANet should listen to what I say and only do what I want, but what I want matters. What you want matters. They’ll have people do studies to figure out if your preference for race or mine would give them the most money. But I can’t imagine that most people would want a glorified tonic for a new race. Not at the expense of content that even players who only play humans would play.

You’re not a customer at a fast food place, you’re a customer of art. Book writers don’t make a story based off of what their customers want. They make it and you like it, that’s it. So no, your opinion has no reflection on a developer’s/writer’s creativity and desire in which he/she wants the story to go. You have no influence at all. You will either like it and buy it, or eventually like and buy it. If you decide to stop playing and completely throw away all you invested into the game, three other new players could find the new story development complex and intriguing.

What I want doesn’t matter either. You are right in the sense that studies can be made on what the public suggests, but that study doesn’t consist of more than just a few devs reading our stuff and talking about it in staff meetings. No real studies are actually conducted.

Anyways, the possibilities in living world are endless and story development wise, they will create art. If they base a story based on our desires, then they will run their company to the ground. Creativity isn’t suggested by others, it’s created by the self based on our many experiences, thoughts, and imagination.

Seera.5916:

Adry.7512:

Seera.5916:

Adry.7512:

A lot of people keep involving personal story and starter zones to a new race. You dont seem to get it at all. A new race would never get a personal story because their introduction to the game would come through the living world episodes….its the most logical way. Anything relating to the reasons why they joined the cause would also be through living world and lore written about the race. As for starter level zones…..that is probably not happening unless they introduce the race in a new continent. You guys need to see the bigger picture. As for voice actors…..that is the least of their worries. Let me explain why. No matter what race you get the script is all the same because you are the main character, UNLESS you’re doing personal story. Since personal story is not logical for a new race, there wont be any problems. The difference in dialogue is minimal and there are plenty of programs that alter a voice to sound like a different person or species.

So they will never be involved in any of the Living Story episodes either with regards to voice acting.

As for starter areas and level 1-80 story, I want any new races to have what the original ones had. They had a story before their story joined with ours. Like what they were during the time our other characters were fighting Zhaitan, Scarlet, and Mordremoth, etc.

My friend, that is called lore. No one will ever add the backstory to the game in any other way. A writer will sit down and write their lore and post it on wiki and so on.

You didnt get the voice acting part. They will have voice acting in living world since the script for the main characters are all the same. Little dialogue would be different for a new race. All they would need to do is use a program to alter their voice and thats it, very simple. You can therefore use the SAME voice actor for multiple characters.

I don’t want my “New Race” character to have the same voice as my Human, Charr, Norn, Asura, or Syvalri characters. And you’d still have to pay them for the additional work. Either by increasing their contract pay or paying them for the additional work done.

Not to mention, dialogue would have to be done for them for LS2 and on unless you’re really saying that new races wouldn’t be allowed to do those stories.

And I don’t want to just read about what my character did before they entered the story or be forced to have my character start out at level 80. I want to have choices to jump into the LS# or do my character’s personal story. I want to have the choice to level my character up from level 1 to level 80 or to just tome them up to level 80. I want choices. I don’t want ANet to choose for me.

You’re simply stuck on the same idea. You still dont get it. You already have the same dialogue for all your races…..living world stories have almost identical dialogue for all races that you main because its the script for the main character. There would be no “additional pay” because voices can be altered with programs…..Arenanet isnt located in their mother’s basement, im sure they have access to all these programs without needing to pay a voice actor extra money…..to repeat the same script.

The reason for the new race joining the cause would be explained through lore AND living world. Additionally why on earth would new dialogue be added to LS2??? That is illogical, we are already in LS3…..and i doubt a new race would be introduced until at least season 5.

What you want doesnt really matter for creating a story that makes sense. What you want doesnt make sense so i doubt it will ever be included. Personal story would be the living world for the new race. Little additional dialogue would be required because eventually the stories would merge. The race would just be the “commander” of a new squad relating to the race. eventually stories would merge in living world causing the dialogue to become the same for any “commander”.

Think about it. You’re the commander. Regardless of whatever race you play, if the race is the “commander”, then dialogue would be the same. The race you choose doesnt matter, its the position of “commander” that does.

Seera.5916:

Adry.7512:

A lot of people keep involving personal story and starter zones to a new race. You dont seem to get it at all. A new race would never get a personal story because their introduction to the game would come through the living world episodes….its the most logical way. Anything relating to the reasons why they joined the cause would also be through living world and lore written about the race. As for starter level zones…..that is probably not happening unless they introduce the race in a new continent. You guys need to see the bigger picture. As for voice actors…..that is the least of their worries. Let me explain why. No matter what race you get the script is all the same because you are the main character, UNLESS you’re doing personal story. Since personal story is not logical for a new race, there wont be any problems. The difference in dialogue is minimal and there are plenty of programs that alter a voice to sound like a different person or species.

So they will never be involved in any of the Living Story episodes either with regards to voice acting.

As for starter areas and level 1-80 story, I want any new races to have what the original ones had. They had a story before their story joined with ours. Like what they were during the time our other characters were fighting Zhaitan, Scarlet, and Mordremoth, etc.

My friend, that is called lore. No one will ever add the backstory to the game in any other way. A writer will sit down and write their lore and post it on wiki and so on.

You didnt get the voice acting part. They will have voice acting in living world since the script for the main characters are all the same. Little dialogue would be different for a new race. All they would need to do is use a program to alter their voice and thats it, very simple. You can therefore use the SAME voice actor for multiple characters.

A lot of people keep involving personal story and starter zones to a new race. You dont seem to get it at all. A new race would never get a personal story because their introduction to the game would come through the living world episodes….its the most logical way. Anything relating to the reasons why they joined the cause would also be through living world and lore written about the race. As for starter level zones…..that is probably not happening unless they introduce the race in a new continent. You guys need to see the bigger picture. As for voice actors…..that is the least of their worries. Let me explain why. No matter what race you get the script is all the same because you are the main character, UNLESS you’re doing personal story. Since personal story is not logical for a new race, there wont be any problems. The difference in dialogue is minimal and there are plenty of programs that alter a voice to sound like a different person or species.

Oceanne.2847:

How about gliding skills like Dive attacks, barrel rolls, what about gliding mobs to fight mid air?

Sounds good?

sounds great! and the ability to do updrafts by yourself without the need up a wind tornado thing pushing you up.

Tom Gore.4035:

Not that anyone will ever read this but.

• Consent only open world PvP (voluntary flagging, dueling and guild wars)
• More RP tools (sheet music for instruments, sitting on chairs, leaning on walls, etc.)
• Graphics engine update to DX 11 or even 12

Give me these and I’ll spend 100 bucks on the gem store with a snap of my finger.

I’m with you 100% on the open world PVP. Additionally it should start at around lvl50 so new players can have time to get used to the game, its rules, mechanics and so on.

Guys guys lets be rational. There will never be a need to go back and adjust/re-do older content, nor storyline. A new race will be introduced within the storyline, which is the only way to introduce a new race period, and it would never make sense to add the new race to any storyline previous to its introduction. Except for lore, of course. The lore of the race’s history, origins, and so on.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Adry.7512:

Honestly the possibilities are endless. As for tengu, there is plenty of undiscovered areas that could be used around tengu rejoin.

It seems that you still forget that it costs developers time to make use of “undiscovered areas” or create a story for whatever new race might be chosen. The possibilities might be “endless” but the resources to design, test, and implement those possibilities are finite.

New Races are unlikely because they are expensive relative to the amount of replayability/appeal, not because the developers lack imagination about how it would fit into the game.

You have a great point. A new race isnt something that is rushed or done before a deadline. A new race is a project that would probably start a few years before its release. Meaning the project could have started as a side project after Xpac 1….and be completed by the end of Xpac 3 for example.

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Amaimon.7823:

you seem focused on the armor bit, but thats not the main argument why it’s unlikely:
1) it’d need a home city with a home zone. And thats why tengu is unlikely, there’s no space for both.
2) Personal Story needs to have a unique twist. Luckily, if lorewise the race doesn’t join the pact until after Zhaitan’s death, they can just have their own unique story until lv80 and then ‘join the pact’-right after the assault on Lion’s Arch (they’d still need a good reason why they weren’t in Orr)
3) dialogue, it would several new voice actors
4)

Good points! This is not very difficult and yes it would have to be after whichever dragon we have killed (so far mordy, but it could be after the second Xpac who knows). Therefore their story would be after that Dragon’s death. It could be that they join us in battle for Primordus and therefore we can start the race at lvl50 since they would join us in what would be considered experience warfare. Honestly the possibilities are endless. As for tengu, there is plenty of undiscovered areas that could be used around tengu rejoin.

You have no idea how much complaining your idea will cause. People will rightfully complain about not being able to play the old personal story with their new characters. Vets will complain that they can’t play the new story with their old characters. The story of GW2 was designed for the five current races, any attempt to shoehorn another race in is doomed for failure from a writing perspective.

The new story would be played by any character within the story line. Thats what living story is used for. Within living story the new race can be unlocked…..it fits perfectly in it. As for the new race not being able to play vanilla storyline….that’s obvious. Go with the storyline….you arent the one writing your vision into the story, you’re the one playing what other people create. Complaining in that aspect is not only pointless but i doubt anyone in Anet would care. Its their storyline and if they add additional manpower by adding a race, then thats it. you play living story, unlock the race, and everything fits in perfectly.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Hyper Cutter.9376:

Gerrand.3085:

Classic example of people using their desires to reshape facts. The two most requested playable races are Tengu followed by Largos – as in, the masses desperately want to play bipedal birds for some reason and I’d much rather roll an aquatic butterfly.

Both of those races have character models distinct enough to require a complete rework of all existing armors.

They actually don’t, though. The largos share most of their assets with the other humanoids and the tengu share theirs with the charr (pre-HoT tengu even share the same posture and idle animations).

You would think so. However sylvari share the same body structure as humans and yet when they talk about the problems of making armor they say 5 races and 2 sexes, not 4 races and 2 sexes. They also say making one full set of heavy, light and medium is like making 30 armors (5 races x 2 sexes x 3 weights) not 24 armors.

Yes 5 races, but the difficulty scales. Very little changes are required between Sylvari and Humans.

Amaimon.7823:

you seem focused on the armor bit, but thats not the main argument why it’s unlikely:
1) it’d need a home city with a home zone. And thats why tengu is unlikely, there’s no space for both.
2) Personal Story needs to have a unique twist. Luckily, if lorewise the race doesn’t join the pact until after Zhaitan’s death, they can just have their own unique story until lv80 and then ‘join the pact’-right after the assault on Lion’s Arch (they’d still need a good reason why they weren’t in Orr)
3) dialogue, it would several new voice actors
4)

Good points! This is not very difficult and yes it would have to be after whichever dragon we have killed (so far mordy, but it could be after the second Xpac who knows). Therefore their story would be after that Dragon’s death. It could be that they join us in battle for Primordus and therefore we can start the race at lvl50 since they would join us in what would be considered experience warfare. Honestly the possibilities are endless. As for tengu, there is plenty of undiscovered areas that could be used around tengu rejoin.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

This is a summary of what was said in 2013 about new races and new professions

“In 2013 in an interview with Matt Visual, Colin talked about the possibility of adding another race that the player base really wanted. (and we STILL really want them) After that interview, he went back to ANet and they had a discussion on adding another race vs adding another class. They came to the conclusion that adding another race really did not add much to the game while adding another class added a lot to the game. Which is why they stopped looking at adding another race and went full steam into working on the Revenant.

The reasons for adding a new race would be:
1. A new playable race
2. New stories and lore
3. Adding a few racial skills and elites
4. A new city and zone for 1-15 levels that do not affect the core plot with Zhaitan/LS 1 & 2.
5. Appease fans who are asking for it

The reasons against adding a new race:
1. Hiring a new male/female voice actor to be the voice of the main characters (pricy and gotta work their schedules)
2. Building another personal story (takes time)
3. Personalizing to the race, certain interactions with NPCs (racism, curiosity, etc) (often overlooked and takes a lot of time)
4. Adjusting EVERY piece of armor in the entire game(and those yet to come) to fit the new race (This would take months on its own)
5. Slows down production on all future armors, racial interactions, scenes where your playable character has to speak new lines, etc. (for every set, they have to customize 6-18 pieces of armor for 6 different races)
6. Racial skills are generally far weaker than the normal class skills/used rarely (nornbear pre nerf exception)
7. Setting the precedent that with an expansion you get a new race (meaning someday they would be making 6-18 pieces of armor for 7-8 races… ouch on the budget)

Pros for making a new class:
1. This directly affects the core of GW2. The gameplay, the fights!
2. Completely new playstyle and experience for players to enjoy playing as/with/against 3. Potentially turning the pve/pvp/wvw meta on its head- goodbye GWEN
4. Addition of Revenant lore
5. Bringing in that missing blend from ritualists/dervish from GWf1
6. A new change to team compositions that is drastically different than it would be if it was just a new race

Cons:
1. Another class to balance skills/traits/specialties
Taking the arguments for one or the other with those facts in mind, I am not surprised that ANet chose to pursue the Revenant instead of Kodan/Tengu. In future expansions they may make the same choice again. In terms of affecting gameplay, adding another class will always have a bigger impact than adding a new race. Because of that we may never see a new playable race. It just forces Anet to dedicate much more resources every time they make something new.

On the flip side, ANet does recognize and even Colin himself would love to play a new race. But can they justify the cost? Perhaps if the community spoke loudly enough."

Link to full after-party notes/commentary – http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2tsiox/pax_afterparty_lessons_learned/

Coilin is nonexistent now. Additionally this tells me absolutely nothing. All it states is why people like new races….the hardwork required for a new race….for ANY mmo….and the obvious…balancing. This clearly states nothing more, oh and that for the first Xpac they decided to focus on a new class instead of a new race…Xpac 1 already came out….meaning that none of this is relevant anymore. Sorry

Fenom.9457:

Seems logical, and if it’s true for most outfits/armors, it becomes so easy it’d probably actually provide MORE content than work; maybe, but there are other factors. At least, it’d be highly viable to see a new race each xpac or so…

The issue with a new race in a game such as this is the lore that would be added along with it, which includes a story line which would bring said race to fight alongside us….which would include a major city and other cities/villages.

There seems to be this argument about a new race not happening in the near future of GW2. This opinion is backed by the fact that making a new race require a lot of work because of all the different armors that would have to be re-done and future armors for said race. THIS is backed up by a couple of dev comments stating how hard it is to make a different armor type every race, which explains why we dont get an abundance of armor per major content update.

Well I will tell you that all your assumptions are wrong. What Anet has created (and the reason why they struggle in making armor), is a different body type for almost EVERY race available in GW2. We have a small, medium, large, and beastly body-type. This sums up almost every body-type available in your average mmo. Meaning that there is a veryyyyyy high probability that any future race added to the game WILL fit the body-type of a current race. This means that ANY armor created or existing will be able to be applied to said race without any difficulties.

This completely debunks the assumption that there will be no new race added to the future of GW2.

EDIT: the race that you play in this game is irrelevant. What matter is the position of commander. If the new race gets introduced through living world then the stories can merge and eventually having said race as a commander would make sense. Now I’m sure a few tweaks and twists would have to be made in the storyline. Who knows, maybe in future storylines we turn down our position and promote a fellow member as the new commander, making it easier to include a new race.

EDIT 12/28/2016: The introduction of a new race is predominantly story-based. Lets break it down; a new race Xpac comes with a race (obviously), maps, armor, weapons, architecture, story, depth, lore, and culture.

NOW, lets see what a regular GW2 update contains; new maps, armor, weapons, architecture, story, little depth, little lore, and sometimes culture. Now do you see the big picture?

For Xpac one they were deciding between a new race or new class….THATS IT! They werent deciding on new race vs. more features, or new race vs. more xpac. They simply decided that a new class would bring more balance to the game.

If anything i think this game needs an Xpac that focuses more on lore expansion and story development, which would be ideal with the addition of a new race.

OriOri.8724:

leviathan.2148:

OriOri.8724:

I don’t know why everyone always wants a new race as well as more armor sets, it will be one or the other. ANet already has enough trouble making armors that almost fit the current races. It would take them even longer to make new armor sets if they also had to fit on a 6th race, which means we would be getting even fewer armors in the game.

How about we finally stop making excuses like Anet were an indie company and hold them to the AAA standard? They created one of the biggest MMOs, they’re not a small company, they’re the top and I will actually expect the quality and big features like new race. Because the company on the level Anet’s on should be able to do that and I’m sure they’re capable of that.

Regardless of what made up standard you are holding them to, its clear that they have trouble making armor that doesn’t clip with the given races. It doesn’t matter what standard you think they should be held to, they have shown that they have trouble creating armor sets that don’t clip with only 5 races. Adding a 6th one won’t magically allow ANet to make armors that don’t clip…

While you DO have a point. There is a fact you’re missing. Every race available has a completely different body-type. We have small, medium, large, and beastly body types…..meaning that we have literally created all possible types of shapes found in your average mmo…..what makes you think that a new race wont fit into ONE of these categories???? Meaning any new race that they create will be able to fall into one of these categories and armor will be the same for both. You cant see things black and white, look a little deeper.

Blaeys.3102:

I think a big part of the problem is that the last new guild mission content added to the game was on May 28, 2013.

There just isn’t enough organized PVE content for guilds to do together in the game right now – and hasn’t been for a REALLY long time.

^ I agree entirely.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

There could be more relevance of guilds in WVW, in which the top tier guild that racks the most points has big rewards, and lower tax payments,

And wouldn’t this sort of thing promote big guilds at the expense of small guilds? Wouldn’t it cause strife in WvW if a guild routinely gets rewarded for being top tier in something and then another guild muscles in on “their territory”? Wouldn’t guilds competing for top tiers lead to a breakdown in communication and cross guild helping if communication and helping means your guild loses the rewards?

I think this type of suggestion is the reason why it’s so hard to find reasons for guilds to have a role. It’s the law of unintended consequences that hit where you don’t expect it to.

I guess I worded that wrong. If a server wins WVW then tax reductions would be applied server-wide.

Randulf.7614:

But, again, what sort of relevance are you after? Until that is laid out, it’s difficult to know how Anet can implement anything of value to those unhappy with the system.

Well more implementation into the overall world of Guild Wars 2. Everything I stated is basically its current relevance to the game, which to be honest it isnt much. Therefore, the possibilities are almost endless. There could be more relevance of guilds in WVW, in which the top tier guild that racks the most points has big rewards, and lower tax payments, etc etc. Just an example, because honestly the possibilities are endless since our current system is lacking so much, you can come up with almost anything. Create alliances between servers….or in-server guild alliances. Add options within guilds that allow us to have permanent sub-division teams with a captain and vice-captain (Bleach inspired), which would give more customization to guilds. The leader could assign each team a specialization in certain areas. Honestly I could go on because there is literally no depth in guilds, which allows me to come up with almost any possibilities.

I’m glad to see a lot of other players share similar views on the lack of depth in Anet’s Guild system. What honestly worries me the most is that Xpac 2 might NOT have a big focus on expanding guild relevance in the game. The reason being is that Xpac 1 tried this with guild halls….which was a complete failure as it involves a huge money sink. What might happen with xpac 2 is that they will probably fix guild hall issues and add to it, but i doubt any big new thing will be added. I could be wrong.

DoomKnightMax.6592:

I can somewhat agree with what I’ve read so far. I’d like to add the need for new armor skins. NOT just 4 or 5 sets im talking about 10 plus. Make them difficult to aquire BUT also make sure they dont follow the light armor-skirts, medi armor-trenchcoat trends.

Also I’d like to see elite specs which are designed keeping PvP combat in mind as well. The HoT elite specs caused so much power creep and promoted skill less gameplay in my opinion. It’s honestly so bad the balance patches can’t even fix it. Damage is done, lets not make it worse by attempting to make new elite specs feel more “powerful” than the last. Encourage build diversity, not a pileup of “newer strong better”.

LMAO I swear if i get another generic trenchcoat or light armor skirt, im gonna rage!