Guild Wars 2

Casual content, it is updated but in 3rd plan, Anet is working on it as they said, if its gona get better i have my doubts.

Funny how i read posts and i still get preplexed….

@Cynz.9437, wrong, if the requiremetens are met killshot can hit over 17k on guardian, and im talking hitting guardians with more than 22k hp and 2.3k toughness or a litle bit more.

@OP toughness reducing conditions is bad as it sounds, even if they changed into a system with magic atk /magic def and as the same to conditions.

IMO that could lead to a true gear treadmill (wich here is almost non existent).

Players should know wich commander want to follow, i would not reccomend to take off the option to buy the badge, commanders should have option to change color and tag design or even upload a small png file to appear as tag, problem here is the lack of options commanders have besides the squad channel, other options would be a new window with the avaliable commanders, and player would check the ones who want to see in map/mini map, but i have almost sure Anet know what commanders need.

What WvW need’s?
Anet needs to decide what they want to do with it, how they will envolve this mode or if they will try to shape player more into the content Anets want to, wich i think it is what going to happen if not already happening.

Lol like i said before WvW is like AB on factions just with walls and siege to counter those barriers, that behavior confirms it, since game is all about cap castles as if they are shrines.
Capping shrines faster makes server loose less ppt, so it makes sense what happened.

I really tough game would envolve.

If u play pve mostly anything works on guardian if u know when to evade or block, as i usually say in pve anything works…

if u want something like 0-0-30-30-10 mace\shield with zerker gear or cleric for better recover damage taken by champs.

For trait and runes you migh like soldier+shouts+pure of voice, you will get 2 conditions removed +1 tranformed into boon and this is per shout, other than this proly a soldier armor with boon duration runes.

Red Falcon.8257:

Seeing how the Warrior traits got changed a lot I’d expect Guardian to get good stuff too.
Perhaps a buff to RHS, fixing lolZeal, and changes to weapon skills.

And for the love of Dwayna, DECREASE the cooldown of just about everything.
Most of Guardian utilities have a cooldown of 1 minute or 2, come on, how boring is that.

I dont see that happening soon, in my opinion Guardian it is fine to the dev’s eyes, for the live streams i dont find them even good playing with that class.

orresho.3197:

Seems like people just want ascended items handed out to them. I enjoy the way they put it out. It makes me want to revisit some dungeons, mini-dungeons, bosses and other types of content to get the mats needed. I like it.

I see some people talking about making the ascended items drop from bosses. Lol, just lol.. with the supereasy zerg-bosses this game has to offer it would be so boring and unchallanging. If u want the boss-drop system to be fun, enjoyabe and rewarding we need 100x harder bosses(instanced raids for example) so when you actually kill the boss you get a chans of drop. But then people would just rage again.

Seems like however arenanet makes things there are ALLWAYS someone complaining and crying like a little child.

That is why i say gw2 players are players who are not used to MMo’s or hate that genra yet play gw2.

Better the gear, harder to get as drop.
If people want to have it, then craft it.

The only flaw i can point, is the ascended were not avaliable at release, IMO being able to craft all gear shout be allowed since then, fractals was a ugly way to introduce that gear lvl.

Fortus.6175:

This is a very popular build in PvE, works wonders in dungeons, doesnt work too much in big zergs in WvW but in small skirmishes it is really strong

I adopted it because of how well self sustain you are while providing condition convertions while pumping insane damage!

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.5g.h2|6.1c.h2|1g.a5.1g.a5.1g.a5.1g.a5.1g.a5.1g.a5|2s.0.2s.0.3s.0.2s.0.3s.0.1g.67|0.5.u64b.u29b.5|0.0|0.0.0.0.0|e

basically it is 0/5/30/30/5 focusing on Pure of Voice for conditions to boons convertions and AH for self healing, full zerker gear with some valkiry or knight as needed, personally I run it with some knight armor and valkiry weapons with full zerker trinkets.

pretty much 1 out of 2 hits are crits and they hit really high, survivability comes from the 1:1 healing power of the dodges and perma vigor, coupled with AH proccing from pretty much EVERYTHING you do.

Hope it helps, for some more WvW focused builds I think soldiers with more into x/x/x/30/20-+ but that isnt my field.

Isnt the build to short in health, link shows 10k hp btw thats way to short in WvW, some skills can take almost the double of that health if requirements are met and this is on guardians wit protection and 3.3k+ armor.

Daecollo.9578:

Relentliss.2170:

Daecollo.9578:

Relentliss.2170:

Daecollo.9578:

Relentliss.2170:

Daecollo.9578:

Relentliss.2170:

foofad.5162:

Guardians aren’t in the worst spot ever, but they are definitely hurting.

I reckon we are probably in the bottom 3 classes if not the worst class atm. We used to be in the Top 3. The new changes that lead to massive conditions are a direct counter to us in PVP.

Necros, Warriors, Rangers, and Thieves are all much better than us in a 1v1 fight. Mesmers and Eles seem to be better too. There was a time I could front any of these classes 1v1 and kill them, player skill being the determinant.

I still play mine as I like the weapon skills and the look. But I admit its not very powerful. I feel have to work insanely hard to do reasonably. The gear never seems to match what I want to do or give me enough health. In SPVP I log in and do the daily and log out. It stopped being fun a while ago.

To the OP: Read the other thread. Roll a warrior. The class balance dev plays one and that is why it is so strong. There is nothing else to consider.

Necros, Warriors, Rangers, and Thieves are all much better than us in a 1v1 fight.
Necros, Warriors, Rangers, and Thieves are all much better than us in a 1v1 fight.
Necros, Warriors, Rangers, and Thieves are all much better than us in a 1v1 fight.
Necros, Warriors, Rangers, and Thieves are all much better than us in a 1v1 fight.

Heals you and nearby allies.
Buffs you and nearby allies.
Burns enemy and nearby foes.

Guardian is a SUPPORT class, it is NOT meant for 1v1. The game is not balanced around 1v1, stop trying to balance the game around 1v1.

Support what? My buffs last like 5 seconds. 5 sec of support, 30 sec of Cd… I can hear the conversation now, “Boy am I glad the guardian was there to support me with a tiny 5 second buff that a simple condition already puts on me. I am really glad he is on my team.”

In pvp I encounter 1v1 fights all the time. The maps are designed around it. I think I should have a chance vs these classes. I used to be able to beat them before they got buffed. I used to be able to beat thieves too but I had to change my build to fight off conditions and now I can’t. The last patch really made this the worst class in the game.

Sure you can be the best at dishing out might. Whippy do.

Oh boy… I can list several ways you can help your team. However I am not here to teach you how to play, just to tell you you are wrong.

Please just stop whilst your ahead.

I would also argue that we used to be good at 1v1 encounters and now are not. The class needs to be examined. If the OP wants to have fun in this game he would be much much better with a warrior.

Lets see.

Combo Field: Light, Cures conditions for you and allies when they use their skills, some can spam like Whirling Wrath to constantly cure conditions.

Chains you can pull many foes to you to help your team secure a location and aoe a spot.

AOE Retaliation and Stability to Protect your allies against CC.

Dodge to heal all allies.

Fields to prevent enemies from walking up them stalling there team.

LEARN TO PLAY

You can’t do any of those things when the 4k/s of conditions strip off your 15k health. Guess those 5 seconds of dodge rolling glory were worth it.

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mcc9omRhgmmRhgmVxaVG9MbV0s
There, now you have lots of condition removal!

*The tools to remove conditions are there… *

[off-topic]
Isnt that build kinda far from having lots of condition removal???

Removing 3 condis per shout + 2 each ten seconds, even if could remove that, after “waste” your shouts, that is 6 condtitions removed and 3 trnaformed to boons only with shouts for sure you would have loads of conditions back in 2 or 3 seconds.
I really dont know what WvW people do, unless they play only based to melee damage, wich IMO was the old gameplay of lower tiers, to beat the odds player start to play necro swarms wich showed to be pretty efective due the number of conditions vs conditions removals, canceling stability symbols and boons, massive fear and craploads of wells, this also works on small scale expecially if you have 1 or 2 good thief.

I hope you know that this game is far from being balanced or classes having their role defined…

Quin.9740:

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I would not reroll. Guardians are still strong even against Warriors. No Warrior can bunker as good as a Guardian.

I lold so badly…

urieldhynne.2743:

I totally agree with Amins and Proteus.
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Roll a warrior, far superior and better designed.

Wise words.

To the OP, run a warrior or necro.

Im starting to see very good reasons arround here that fits the topic.
I just wonder what Anet would have to say about it, or maybe they could have a live stream about guardian and show us how to roll against walls and heal party members…

Note: the best way i found to use guardian were with 4 other guardians or composed with guardians and warriors party.

Until some aspects of the game get reworked,you wont see epic fights on that game mod.

Note(not taking in account the random blob wars)

style.6173:

Daedrin.2589:

Shoe.5821:

Supposedly, there is a revive hack in a cheat program, but it seems more likely that some Skale got killed by his bouncy daggers outside your immediate view.

This. Its saved my thief more times than I can count. The Golanta area in EB is especially good for it with all the mosquitos and other little vermin all over the place.

It is awesome when u rez like 4 or 5 times facing a group of 10+, problem is after those 5 times yo will be w/o downned system :P
Yes. Mystery solved. It’s pretty easy to rally this way. Even if your team killed an NPC, as long as he tagged it, he will rally.

While playign thief or necro i used to tag mobs first before entering combat, sometimes worked sometimes mobs didnt get killed .

Elbegast.6970:

Thobek.1730:

what I find worse is this message isn’t even in game, you have to go to this website to read it. What should of happened is firstly it should of been in game, and a cutscene to nicely wrap up this chapter.

Personally I would’ve liked to of received a message in the mail to visit the queen at her throne room (even better another room in her palace we haven’t seen yet) There you see all the representatives from each of the races to discuss these attacks. And we discover something new to help drive the story into the next chapter, doesn’t have to be much – just a hint.

I can’t agree enough with the message being conveyed in-game. I hate being forced to go to websites to learn about the game’s story.

welcome to swarm farm 2

Nilkemia.8507:

This time gating gimmick has to be one of the worst ideas they’ve ever come up with.

I bet was NCSOFT.

Funny when i see post of 15+ omegas proudly taking an empty BL.

akamon.2769:

styx.7294:

What I was thinking about was 2 water/2 monk/2 traveler’s for boon duration

and this. ^^
if boon duration is yo thing.

More meat for my zerker killshot sniper , might log
just to mess arround with it.

Wukunlin.8461:

but… why are mid bunker guards so popular?

Becouse player play in huge swarm that only need to spam 1 and think they build can work.

There are no tankers, only DPS.

I played mostly a guardian with 3.8k armor and 25k health while on zerg, and sometimes was impossible to evede or block hits that would crit like 20k of my health, when i tryed those builds on other classes i could insta down most guardians that had health lower than 16k-17k just needed to avoid wall of reflection, there are so many ways to counter Guardian classes that at the end only makes sense to play it with a damage carrier role wit 2h weapons.

Robotukas.1673:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Its a Facebook MMO title, yes.

Good point

Best way to label GW2, got to agree, also is the MMO for players that never played MMO’s or dont like them in general.
Its like if u play those new tablet games being able to get one reward per day while killing some mobs.

IMO is worse than old/traditional MMO’s concept.

Buffalo Sabres.1072:

Its fact? Go show me an MMO that has better graphics + gameplay that is released right now

Asian budget MMo’s are laughable compared

Should i post here a kewl game (ex ncsoft employer made a cool mmo as example)? i was playing it before proxy stoped working.

Myself im not sold only by graphics but the possible things to do in game and how game can be updated with new content, the only thing i miss is the character motion from gw2, but in the large picture there are some amazing titles arriving EU and NA.

Zypher.7609:

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@Zypher lol that was the 1st thing i tough to

On topic: Action MMO at the same as DC universe is a action MMO.

NoodllZ.8376:

Crits don’t show up in the damage log. So you’re just going to need to look at the actual splat for damage. It’s annoying.

Also true, just remembering the 19k damage out of 25k health on my 3.6k armor character.

Would be good if console sums damage+crit of X skill/atack, but people would rage due high damage taken lol.

TwoBit.5903:

The game’s focused changed from friendly MMO to reward treadmill, so it’s not unthinkable that the previous playerbase would distill/change to current one.

Ncsoft new game model, Firefal is the same thing.

hellokittyonline.7532:

well, if ascended gear takes like 2 weeks to craft, the next tier is gonna take 4 week to craft lol?

Ascended and legendary is last tier, with legedanry u just have all stat combos avaliable to choose from weapon menu or something

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Upcoming_changes_and_features

Gona start spam this link…..

Meglobob.8620:

If I were you, I would go for a Legendary instead of Ascended.

1) There is no guarantee that Ascended is the ‘final’ tier of equipment. There could easily be another for 2014 or 15.

2. They have said Legendary will always equal the best stats. So once you have your Legendary weapon no more gear grind EVER, at least weapon wise..

3. Legendary will allow you to swap your stats for free whenever your out of combat, so you can go zerker, switch to knights, cleric…whatever…

Legendary will have ascended stats the only changes is with legendary you will be able to change stats of the weapon itself.

IF and a big IF, legendary armor will be introduced will be like the weapons where u can select the stats you want to choose from, that makes ascended the last tier.
The gear progression is GW2 isnt that bad, also i think it is a very good concept instead of having like 10 lvl’s of it with huge gap we find in some other mmo’s.

p.s Im more hyped to reinstall the game when the classes get balanced or decent mechanics or with more traits to choose from.

Jscull.2514:

“dont play our game for what you came here for ONLY….”

LOL what? Who says that to their customers?

Oh wait…people that have no clue how to improve wvw.

its called sanbox (next gen mmo), but ncsoft wont allow that.
GW2 scheme is outdated and impossible to improve.

That sounds like a Packet Editor wich can be tranlated for cheating.

Odinsfury.8360:

No, time-gated content is not fun. But that’s OK. We’ll leave the fun to other MMO’s.

Funny how other mmo’s from NCsoft use the same “farm” system.

PS(hijack out of opic):It keeps me wonder if this GW2 stale and not prepared for the next gen(antiquated) engine architecture was imposed from NCSOFT, it kinda makes sense sence NCSOFT have now a sandbox P2P mmo.

Sabull.5670:

Line of Warding, Ring of Warding, Static Field, Sanctuary, Spectral Wall. Among all other control skills. We don’t need body block.

Know when to cast stability like the l2p thing, in my WvW CC is almost useless even wont stop zergs couse every player know when to use it and know where to use it.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Aeolus.3615:

I didnt like the combat design, it looks like they are trying to mind control players to do jumping stuff(aka further LS maybe), this is my first impression anything besides that more spawns and harder health pool means nothing.

Are you referring to the shockwaves that must be jumped over?

No, that is excelent, the pads near the cannons is what im talking about.

Venirto.4208:

80 People? Organized? In PvE?

Good luck with that, half of the zerg won’t even listen to you trying to help them…

Tough that myself, other than swarms of players+lag+chat supression, and we will see the overflow district again for sure, with swarms of players blobling on those jump pads.

Killing Tequalt looks like a circus with clowns jumping arround.

That is the same value as buy an expansion, IMO i would do it and that might take me into the game again, but also deppends what Anet/NCSOFT want to turn WvW into.

As an expansion to a more actual concept of open war continent and siege mechanics as other mmo’s are choosing develop? i would pay.

akamon.2769:

lol @ the people who think zerg = bad….. regardless, the staff is a great weapon anyways. but i do agree with the fact that with ascended, i am going for DPS. and my exotic staff, atm, more than serves its purposes when i pick it up.

have hammer and sword covered. most likely GS first. and the rest, well, depends on how they look.. hmm.

Very true, when im mad i used to change to zerk/valk gear 2k 3k with first staff skill in AOE is pure win.

They are adding enew flashy (Non)eye candy stuff wich IMO is horrible.

I didnt like the combat design, it looks like they are trying to mind control players to do jumping stuff(aka further LS maybe), this is my first impression anything besides that more spawns and harder health pool means nothing.

It could be very good but turned out to be Jumping Puzle wars 2…
Need to start saving money to play p2p sandbox games with good content.

so i finally decided to take the bait…
[ ] Soon to be Married
[ ] Have Girlfriend
[x] Employed
[ ] Have Pets
[ ] Have Children
[x] Are an Adult
[x] Have a Life
[ ] Have no Manual Dexterity

You Think Living World is too:

[ ] Hard
[x] Time Consuming
[x] Temporary
[X] Full of Jumping Puzzles

You are Currently Threatening to:

[X] Quit
[X] Uninstall
[ ] Kick Colins’ Dog
[ ] Tell the Internet That You are Upset
[ ] See a therapist

Asura at minimal size, shorter than a Skrit.

hihey.1075:

Amins.3710:

hihey.1075:

I’m ok with this meta.
I would be ok if they change it too, but they will need to tone down bunkering so that every burst damage build would be able to kill in a 1v1 (eventually) a bunker build (healway guardian, d/d ele, cleric ranger, healing signet warrior).
To me, fights should end in a stale only in bunker vs bunker. A burst damage spec should be able, even if it takes them a couple minutes, to shut down any bunker build.

Wrong on so many levels.

Care to enlighten me a bit then?
Or are you one of those guardians who keeps QQing just because you must flee the moment you see a necro?

The way you say only fights on Bunker VS Bunker should end stale looks like it is a build behavior that hasnt its place on the game, the odd party is i can agree with that but some other classes can be better bunkers than guardian and any other class can kill any guardian bunker easilly (i do with my other classes), or maybe bunker guardians should not roam alone:P and should not try to face 5necros at once and need to learn they are only for zerg 1st skill spam.

p.s sorry about the bad english.

If so is just a temporally abuse ^^

Halo.8976:

CrassBippy.4619:

going high burst in power requires sacrifices in defense, vit, something.

Soldier’s: Power / Toughness / Vitality

Now you too can be OP.

I use that on my guardian as i stated up on the thread with traited shouts i can remove 2+1(transformed to boon) per shout, problem here is lasts combat +1 or 2 seconds, the reward of playing Bunker condi stats is more than you think.

No matter how conditions you remove the number of conditions and damage you take is always far superior to the conditions you can remove or heal.

note: i remove about 5 to 16 stacks of each conditon after use one or 2 shouts i still have the same amount of conditions due the number of conditions aplyers i am fighthing.

“my 2 quaggans”

Jscull.2514:

Should be all of them. But carebears would quit. Because they would die….alot….alot more.

and server would crash

So im not alone here! glad to know

12/12 months and still waiting for the suff.

Flintbrow.7985:

I enjoy a build that’s around 3/4 offensive/defensive. 10/25/30/5/0 with knights armor (runes-whatever suits you…I use divinity), zerker trinkets and weps. This will give you very good damage with just enough toughness to be able to screw-up a couple dodges.
Good luck!

Kinda agree here, as far this is out of my gameplay style its when im more effecient (zerker / valkyr and knights).

Junkpile.7439:

I usually remove conditions and use heals.

First of all im more used to low tiers WvW, and even there is almost impossible to maintain few conditions on a fight~, and believe me with we do alot of combos deppending the situation we are facing

here is why:

I also remove 3 condis per shout, plus more 2 in 10 seconds, but the problems is the number of hostiles playing conditions bunker builds, for each 3 conditions removed i gain several stacks sometimes 25 of the conditions removed, i also have like 25khp.

With my lowbies facing lvl 80 guardians, wich are always my main target on wvw, i can easilly face roll them, even if they are classes i dont know how to play couse condition do all the work for me, on mesmer and necro no matter how many condition they can remove i can easly get +12 stacks of conditions on them doing like 1.9-2.5k damage per tick, while mantaining distance sometimes they dont even touch me (wich is rare but happens).

I tend to pick classes like guardians becouse i know how weak they are w/o boons and atm this game rewards more condition gameplay, i dont know if u notice but poison reduces healing by 33% if recall righ, in some classes i can maintain poison almost 100% of the time w/o problem and ho matter how much u remove its will be always aplayed over agin.

This is why most players and the reason to this thread i believe are complaining, cause most players are adapting to a better reward and “unbalanced” build gamepaly (myself included making bunker\conditions classes ), where they can nuliify any guardian (ditto Boon users).

If it is a l2p issue i dont know each one to is own experience as a player that spends all gameplay time in WvW this is the image i have about it,

Shiren.9532:

He didn’t say it exclusively required zerker gear, just that it was made for it. It’s the case more the majority of PvE. Crit damage is broken, it’s why it’s used by speed clear groups. Content becomes trivial when you can kill things in seconds.

only in pve? isnt WvW arround it to?, i have being almost insta killed on guardian with 25khealth+ 3.6k amor + protection, sometimes sill get critical backstabs over 12k or killshots ~19k.

I stil make more contribuition to nearby allies with zerker or valkyr sets than trying to bunker, becouse bunker are easy to kill dispites player saying and think,and with zerker it end with target trying to reset combat.

Zumi.6384:

For the longest time I’ve been thinking to myself: “Self, all WvW needs to really go to the next level and be the perfect mode is to make the map harder to read and to increase the incentives for zerging.” And boy did they deliver!

• Tired of being able to tell who owns which camp/tower? Fine, we’ll change the colors so you can’t tell the difference between blue and green!

• Need more reason to zerg? Here’s a WXP booster! Done!

Nailed it guys.

Best way to end WvW complains is to reduce the amount of players doing it, at least every one likes the game bad design.

Kjeldoran.3849:

Garakan.8291:

Kjeldoran.3849:

Lots of interesting Stuff

Kjeldoran, can you do the Math for us, please? :-)

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u guys notice this is only theory right? do not work on the field.
There are classes that make 3%-6% more damage per boon.
And conditions damage makes much more damage than regens can cover plus minor healings.
If its is for Pve only, anything on healing power makes guardian very sturdy.

I’ll say that this is more than theory crafting ^^ math is math and every game is based on math… so you have the answer.

- 3,6 and even 9% damage multiplier isn’t enough if you are conidering a base damage of 300… 9% is 9more damage? wow… really…
- this build isn’t fro pve (mobs) but for PvE (dungeons)
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yes math is math, i work with that every day and lots of code, i might have missunderstanded this thread suposing that u guys sayins that gw2 mechanics allow ths to happen wich does not.
It is easyer this theory crafting for Warrior than Guardian IMO, based on a banner , but i do really like what u guys are theory trying to prove here.

Note: all math i do while gamming is arround WvW player stats and skill formulas, i be might offtopic here.

Edited due level of “Engrish” spoken

arjeidi.2690:

Well since you’ve beaten the game, time to move on. You want less xp when you’re downscaled?

Be creative. Make things challenging.

Fight 2 arrow carts that is the only chalange game has…