Guild Wars 2

While I don’t agree with Anets decision to put so much PvE distractions into WvW, given that there is map completion in WvW it only makes sense that you have to do WvW to get the POIs/vistas.

Besetment.9187:

We were, uhhh, “disenfranchised” that match. i.e. we were the north american punchbags. Then DB swept in after we got KO’ed, rifled through our pockets for anything that looked like it gave PPT and made out like ninja bandits.

But Mags is used to getting punched in the face. You need to use guns now if you want to take us down.

LOL! Yeah, Mag is a pretty tough server even when outnumbered.

DB has always been like this. Check out the income evolution chart:
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/39/6

As an FA player, it was really funny waking up to DB owning the map and taking over Mag who had been 2nd place most of the match. They weren’t able to pull it off the next week though with DH in the tier instead of FA. http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/46/7

fellyn.5083:

I’m being told by fellow guild members that GoF has left DH now. If that’s true then that means RE is pretty much the only big guild left on DH. Not certain if that’s true though as they’ve always said they’d be on DH forever.

Anet has made a lot of mistakes with GW2 and most are forgivable but letting free transfers continue has to be their biggest. They’ve basically sanctioned the death of servers and the communities people have tried to build on them by keeping transfers free.

They moved to Crystal Desert. They made a post about it in our match thread. Sucks that you have to carry the server now.

ViperWire.4261:

MuffinMan.3285:

As for CD and FA…prepare yourselves ;P

He means prepare yourselves for his guild to come and recruit spam on your server in the midst of intense battles, not for WvW score.

I hit the +1 next to your post even if it doesn’t do anything.

Week long.

On a similar topic, when was the first week long match? I took a break from GW2 during that time. I came back either at the end of the BG/DB/FA match or the middle of the FA/SoS/Mag match but people were still talking about the previous match. The mos site has a week before BG/DB/FA but only for EU and no one has ever mentioned a week long match for that week.

Littlefeather.8623:

And on a very important side not, RE has not decided whether to move or not, but at the very least we are on DH for the time being. I do know one thing though, if something does not change within DH WvW, the future will look very bleak, compared to out peak in T4.

Things have gotten so bad that even RE is considering moving?

I do hope you don’t blame the match with FA. We were a tier apart in terms of strength and the lack of a strong third server ensured FA would run away with all the points. It was fun fighting RE though. You guys put up a good fight regardless of the situation.

Maybe the people who joined HIRE wanted to leave IoJ.

^Perhaps. Either that or it was one of the people who transferred to TC weeks ago and wasn’t kicked because Derv thought they would transfer back. I think I know what bay fight you are talking about and I was there. Didn’t see a GODS tag there but I did see one earlier but that was the Waffles Gods.

If we had spies, they wouldn’t be using our tag anyway, lol. We don’t have spies right now, but months ago when the game was still new, we did send a spy for one match just to see how that would work out. Given how everyone on the opposing servers know about our guild, the spy got caught right away. XD

Because a spy would totally admit they were spying.

You’re so obsessed with GODS I guess you didn’t have Better Luck Next Time.

Btw, a TC player in this thread already confirmed the person running around with the GODS tag wasn’t from our guild.

Times.4358:

when’s the change happening? really curious since im IoJ and today has been awful in wvw

Reset is 12am UTC Friday night / Saturday morning.

Losing guilds must be terrible on IoJ but….can Primordial Dragons stop advertising on FA’s map chat lol? C’mon now.

Doesn’t even matter if they warn us ahead of time if they keep on doing it during primetime. They need to do it when few people are on.

Peetee.9406:

Last I knew Fort Aspenwood was primarily European

What lol? We’re mostly NA and always have been. We have a strong Oceanic crew and some good Europeans as well. CD also has a great Oceanic presence. They were mostly known for that in the past, but they got NA transfers while they were in Tier 4.

Hopefully, this will be a great match.

Hyde.6189:

titanlectro.5029:

It was never intended that you could “own” a borderland and push the enemy out.

Yep. It’s not meant to be easy to hold anything below Hills/Bay on your own borderland. The parts that are supposed to be easier to hold are Hills/Bay and everything north of that on your own borderland, plus the tower and camp in your particular corner of each of the other two borderlands. You should be taking that lower tower on the other two borderlands before trying to take and hold the harder lower towers on your own borderland.

This is correct. If you check the map right after reset, Defenders own Bay, Hills, and everything north of those. Invaders own the tower outside their spawn and the supply camp nearby. I believe the south supply camp starts neutral. Similarly, each server owns their third of EB and SMC starts neutral. In an even match, the map should look like it does at reset with SMC being the battle that decides the war. It was not intentional for Defenders to secure their BL and spawn camp the Invaders.

^FA and YB aren’t switching next week lol. http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Ohoni.6057:

If we’re green some weeks, and blue others, then why wouldn’t we be red sometimes too? I don’t have a guild, and don’t want one, nor do I want to change servers for any reason, that’s just wishy-washy behavior. You shouldn’t have to go outside the system just to get world completion. If they’re going to make WvW objectives part of world completion then they need to give individual players the tools to achieve them.

Green is the highest rated server of the tier. Blue is the second highest. You guys were the highest rated server in Tier 4 and won your match by enough points to skip over Yak’s Bend (third of Tier 3) and Fort Aspenwood (second of Tier 3) in rating making you guys the second highest in Tier 3. CD and FA will not be switching places for the next match.

If you’re not going to put the effort in getting people to invade FA BL, then your only option is to transfer to a red server. You can simply transfer back after 7 days.

Get your guild to take what you need in FA BL. Or transfer to FA for a week. I don’t think they will ever change the Green>Blue>Red system.

Arkard.3970:

Arcadio.6875:

Your 3 second search yielded a post from 2 months ago. Not sure what I’m even supposed to be seeing. So…good job?

You were referring to match ups in that time frame and longer. See quote below.

Arcadio.6875

When we were up against Maguuma, Dragonbrand, and Darkhaven everyone was civil in those threads.

My post was just to say I believe you are incorrect when you say the above. Here’s a more extreme example:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Fort-Aspenwood-vs-DragonBrand-vs-Blackgate/page/4#post357894

BG/DB fight was before any of those other matches actually. Still don’t see your point there. FA players didn’t post anything in either of your links that were bad. Your grasping at straws here.

Your 3 second search yielded a post from 2 months ago. Not sure what I’m even supposed to be seeing. So…good job?

jayderyu.3751:

Arcadio.6875:

Aytrix.4059:

Usagi.4835:

Frankly, I have to say, this match is getting poisonous. I’m sick of it. I hope Anet change the way the scoring system works, or at the very least, that one of us (TC or FA) moves either up or down a tier.

I could only imagine the awesomeness of a FAvCDvYB match…

Imagine, unfortunately, is the key word as it requires one of the top seven to collapse. We would be fighting IoJ/CD or Mag/EB. I’d still prefer that over the current match though. TC has to be the least respectable server we’ve fought against and it looks like we’ll be seeing them for a fifth week in a row.

sigh yeah. 5th, 6th…. and on and on. As another pointed out unless one of the top 6 collapses as the current server strengths are. TC will never go up or down. Glicko SUCKS.

As for respect, needs to be earned. However, civility doesn’t and it’s been in short in existence ever since FA came to Tier 3. Seriously, civility should just be given in general as a normal behaviour. It’s too bad it’s the internet.

It’s funny you talk about civility. TC players on this forum except for a few are a great example of what it means to not be civil. Just read this thread and the last couple of ones. TC players keep on accusing FA of whining but all they do is whine. It’s getting tiring. When we were up against Maguuma, Dragonbrand, and Darkhaven everyone was civil in those threads. We didn’t even get moderator warnings.

I assume you mean this week: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/10

DH had 1st place for half the match while DB was 3rd for a good portion of it. It really was close enough for DH to make a push at the end.

Having an advantage during Oceanic time is more preferable over having an advantage in NA time. Oceanic players log in right after NA players log out so any gains made by NA players are quickly stopped and turned around. Gains made by Oceanic players last far longer especially on weekdays when NA players can’t simply play in the morning or early afternoon. Having European coverage helps limit the Oceanic advantage, but I don’t imagine that comes into play outside the top tiers.

I think Dragonbrand has won this.

…have played against every NA server.

I’d actually be interested in hearing the experiences of dedicated players from each server. Did they notice different servers using different tactics or did they all seem like zergs with different names? What goals did their remaining players set for themselves and how did those change as they plunged down the tiers? I bet these guys would have some interesting stories to tell.

Iohanna.4863:

As a statistician, I guarantee you that Isle of Janthir would wreck Tier 3 if they dropped down and TC moved up (conversely, TC will be wrecked in Tier 2).

The Glicko measures performance; the fact that we have several tiers in perpetual match-ups is evidence of its accuracy.

Glicko is great at ranking players(servers) with the assumption that players actually play against various opponents. If they play against the same opponent over and over, their rating will only become useful in predicting their performance against the same opponent. Yak’s Bend is a good example for this. After four matches against TC and three against FA, their rating reflected their performance against those two servers. Thanks to CD jumping in rating which put it back in T3 and threw YB to T4, we got to see how useful YB’s rating was in comparison to Mag and EB. YB is currently losing about 40 points, the biggest change since the match that helped them enter T3.

It has been over a month since TC got smashed by SoR. It should be noted that in that match, orbs were still in place and there was no third server to stabilize the score. I don’t think we can definitely say that IoJ is that much stronger than TC although it may be the case.

Raincrow.1840:

It has everything to do with organization. If those guilds were on CD, I’d be looking to hop servers.

No guild is required by the game to be a part of the server’s community and abide by the rules set out by its players. Organization simply has nothing to do with this. Their actions were not endorsed by the rest of FA and it has been acknowledged by the other servers that these two guilds were told not to crash the party on team chat. People blaming FA are doing so, because they want to and not because there is good reason.

And those saying we should be upset at them and not at TC players, why? TC players are the ones who decided to retaliate against FA as a whole. You guys could have specifically targeted these two guilds or even just laughed it off.

Edit: WTF, every time I post there’s a ton of new posts since I started typing.

Raincrow.1840:

Arcadio.6875:

We can’t control the actions of those guilds.

Wasn’t that my point?

Arcadio.6875:

Don’t try to justify that fact that some posters have tried to vilify an entire server based on the actions of a few.

Actually my opinion of FA is based more on your actions over the week than on this forum. Your server basically ruined any chance either CD or FA had of making a go at TC, because of horrible tactics by a large number of your players from day 1.

The poor choice to attack people just trying to have a little RP fun is simply the most obvious example.

Your “point” was that FA isn’t organized enough to keep our players in line, but that has nothing to do with organization. We cannot control their actions. If those same guilds were on TC or CD, you guys would not be able to control their actions.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

The situation is over and TC got their revenge.

They got their revenge against who? The players who crashed your event don’t care that you took the map and are either still laughing or forgot about it already. The behavior some TC players have shown in this thread is a lot more immature than what the couple of FA guilds did.

Raincrow.1840:

FA proved they’re not organized enough to keep their own players in line, and people from FA should stop trying to defend their actions

In line? It’s still a game. We can’t control the actions of those guilds. Don’t try to justify that fact that some posters have tried to vilify an entire server based on the actions of a few.

ykyk.2740:

Diashame.6328:

This would be solved if they modified points distribution to be always positive if you win, always negative if you loose. The amount of points you gain would be effected by your current rating as similar to now.

This makes a lot of sense. If you aren’t winning by the margin your rating predicts, then you should gain a tiny tiny amount of rating. But you should still gain. Winning and losing rating doesn’t make sense.

Rating attempts to predict performance so it does make sense that you can lose rating despite winning. It just means you didn’t win by the amount you were expected to win so your adjusted rating reflects the fact that you aren’t as strong as the system previously thought you were. What doesn’t make sense is when an overperformance by a server allows them to jump in ranking over a server that just beat them. I noticed this a couple of times although it’s very rare.

I agree with option 2 in the first post.

Balzaimon.4895:

Derv The Monkinator.4915:

Well, I’m off to go watch lets plays. We’ll kitten you in the kitten hole some more tomorrow.

I think you might be confused…. Maybe you should be playing FPS instead of an MMO*RPG*? This level of maturity is in fact why we can’t have nice things…

Have you seen the level of maturity your server has displayed in this thread?

sceptus.9415:

Arcadio.6875:

sceptus.9415:

Except.. We beat you for a month straight with better tactics

Having more people is not really a tactic.

Unfortunately, its just a reality. We have more people. We also have good tactics. Like how you left that part out of your quote.

I suppose throwing people at the opponent is a good tactic if the opponent will get overwhelmed hours later. Not very efficient though.

Don’t pretend what TC does makes you better tacticians. Any server that has your population would be doing the exact same things you do. I do have some fun fighting TC though. Wiping out zergs with smaller numbers is a bit thrilling. Yeah they are going to eventually take whatever you are defending (or they will take back whatever you plan on taking), but it is still fun during the moment.

sceptus.9415:

Except.. We beat you for a month straight with better tactics

Having more people is not really a tactic.

Saw some funny emotes today.
Tarnished Coast Invader cheers for Crystal Desert Invader.
Crystal Desert Invader disagrees with Tarnished Coast Invader.

TC people are taking this too seriously, lol. I think most of CD doesn’t care aside from a few. Most of FA doesn’t care and some think it’s funny. I’m somewhere in-between so I’ll say I find it amusing.

TC was pushing into FA BL before the event even began. Derv called for GODS to get into FA BL because Garrison was under attack. This was around the time of the Dolyak event so they were independent of one another. We defended it for hours until members got off since it’s late for most of us now. FA really needs more people on the West Coast. This population dip between our NA crew and Oceanic crew really hurts. Kinda silly that TC posters are attributing the taking of Garrison to revenge for crashing your event. But it seemed you guys wanted it anyway and were going to take it once FA went to sleep anyway. Oh well, I guess I’ll have some fun posts to read now.

Edit: There were around 10 new posts by the time I typed up this one. Serious business, lol!

If the 2nd and 3rd server keep swapping places under the current system, the slightly modified system would take no action. For example, if SoR and IoJ constantly swapped places, the modified system would not force TC into T2. It would only do that if TC won 1st place X amount of times and IoJ got 3rd X amount of times.

Really, my idea is a far less extreme version of if you get 1st you go up and if you get 3rd you go down. There are very obvious problems with that system even if it does solve some problems. A less extreme version of that system will reduce those problems.

Cogbyrn.7283:

In the extreme case, you could swap the top 3 worlds with the bottom 3, and if they maintained fairly even scores in order to not disrupt their Glicko rating enough to bump any of them out of their bracket, the two groups would persist in the ranking that is opposite their “true” rank.

I see you remember my example from when we last had this discussion, lol. But I must state again, the point of the example is not to say that the servers in the example are being hurt in any way, but to point out the fact that the rating system in place does not take overall rankings into account. This creates the problem where servers may get stuck with each other when there may actually be better pairings.

Let us assume for the sake of discussion that right now Tarnished Coast has become a stronger server than Isle of Janthir. If this is the case, then we would have two better matches if these two servers swapped places. But currently, IoJ is pulling its weight against BG and SoR while TC is being held back by CD and FA. This week, IoJ is gaining in rating while the opposite is true for TC. Under the current system, they won’t swap. We don’t know who the stronger server is between IoJ and TC in reality. They haven’t faced common opponents for a long time and all servers have evolved since then. Maybe IoJ is far superior to TC, but maybe not. Under the current system, we won’t know until something drastic happens to shake up the rankings. We are potentially getting deprived of better matches because Glicko is creating bubbles that servers (at least in the top four tiers) are having trouble escaping from. Interestingly, the bottom four tiers provide a lot of examples of servers that got stuck in tiers when they deserved to be in other tiers. They were/are getting fixed by HoD/ET shaking things up, but if not for those two, they would be in the wrong matches.

I suggested this before and it seems someone else suggested it again in the TC/CD/FA topic, but it would be better if after TC won a certain amount of times and after IoJ lost a certain amount of times, those two get switched with no changes to rating. The other person who suggested it came up with the number 2 for how many matches it should take. I would say either 2 or 3.

Score + map update

Having queues on four maps happened once and that was on reset. We mostly have light queues on two maps during our primetime. Sometimes only EB has a queue. Also, GODS hasn’t done zerging for a while now. We split into smaller squads when we have higher numbers.

It’s clear to me now that you just like to exaggerate. Anyone listening to the Yaks claims that their players are better than those of other servers and they manage to match the strength of servers with higher populations should take those claims with a grain of salt. They have the numbers to fight Fort Aspenwood and they have the numbers to win in T4. Exaggerated claims are being made by those who want to inflate their own ego and also justify any losses.

DivineBeing.2086:

FA and CD is trying to form an alliance against TC? Wow, that is definitely not intended gameplay.

If that alliance worked, and TC moved to 2nd or 3rd place at the end of the match ups, what would that do exactly? Cause all three servers to play against each other for even more matches, which would force FA and CD to keep their alliance.

Than once FA or CD (whoever is finishing first place consistently) moves up to T2 they will get completely kitten Why? They no longer have a 2v1 going against a server. They are back to where they should be, 1v1v1.

The point is, the system works if you just let it work as intended. So if TC remains in first this week (and IoJ drops another 40 points like last week) than TC will move up to T2 “where it belongs” (quotes for a reason!). IoJ will move down to T3 as it was deemed a better match up in the tier 3 ranking. And if you guys can’t be IoJ than what does that determine? Your server is a tier 3 server as it currently stands now! Do you understand? So at your servers skill level and numbers it is appropriate that you stay in tier 3. This isn’t me being a jerk towards your server. This is me trying to explain how the ranking system works. Trust me, everybody wants their server to be tier 1 material. But sometimes your server just isn’t quite there yet. Don’t rush it.

Does that make sense? I understand it may be hard to fight TC right now. It may be tempting to form an alliance to “crush us”. But in all honesty, it will just be hurting you in the long run. And it may even hurt T4 (if you were to push TC down a tier due to 2v1) because TC would COMPLETELY demolish that tier. Do you see how this creates unbalance?

Just stick in there guys. TC should soon move up to T2 and you won’t have to deal with us anymore.

Actually, the developers intended for the 2nd and 3rd place servers to gang up on the 1st place server. CD and FA are supposed to gang up on TC. If CD becomes the 1st place server, FA and TC will gang up on CD. If FA becomes the 1st place server, TC and CD gang up on FA.

http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-ferguson-on-guild-wars-2-world-vs-world

“From the earliest days of development, we knew that we wanted to include some form of large-scale PvP combat in Guild Wars 2, but how would it work? We knew right away that we wanted three teams fighting against one another on a series of huge maps in the Mists (our world vs. world battleground) and that each team would be composed of an entire server full of players. Including three forces in world vs. world acts as an excellent balancing factor, preventing one team from growing too powerful and ruining the competitive balance of the game. Two teams can gang up to counter a more dominant third team, a dynamic that simply isn’t possible with only two opposing factions.”

Unfortunately, the game designers don’t seem to understand game theory so what they want players to do and what players will actually do because of game design doesn’t match.

If FA and CD does manage a formal alliance, it will take a lot of discipline. If we do pull it off, it goes without saying that the alliance will be broken when one of the two starts to dominate. I’d like to see it happen, but it would be nice if Anet fixed the game design to actually include incentive for 2nd and 3rd place to gang up on 1st so formal alliances aren’t necessary.

I must agree with my GODS brother again. Dragonbrand in Tier 5 is a great option as well.

Nut.4713:

Yak’s has never had FA’s population, it’s not even close now. If it seems like it, it’s because player for player we beat just about anyone. This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

During the FA/YB/ET fight, you guys easily had similar numbers for NA and outnumbered us during off peak. After we got off peak transfers, I’ll admit we outnumber you there. But on weekends, you continued to put out similar numbers to FA during primetime.

The funny thing is, after our week against Mag, we were shocked when fighting your server because you guys weren’t putting out good tactics like they were. You just had numbers. At least with GODS, almost all our skirmishes went our way (obviously when we outnumbered but also when numbers were even or we were slightly outnumbered). Only time we got wiped was when Yaks far outnumbered us. I know another FA guild had a similar experience too. The only thing Yaks really did better is defend what they have.

Note: This post isn’t meant to be an insult to Yaks though it may seem like it. I’m truly baffled by the statements that their people keep making that they are great players who are able to keep up while being outnumbered. In the four matches we were up against them, I never noticed this. In the most recent of the two matches we’ve had with Mag, they made more of an impression on me.

etrigan.4213:

Maguuma is where its at in that tier. They only lack coverage.

Agreed and not just because we’re in the same guild, lol. The FA/Mag/DB fight may have been boring for the most part since FA owned everything during our primetime, but in the skirmishes we had with Maguuma, they were always doing interesting things. If any server should brag about their accomplishments with smaller numbers, it’s Maguuma.

Yak’s Bend has a similar population (or at least they did weeks ago) to Fort Aspenwood during NA primetime. The problem is that their population stops showing up after the weekend. I’m actually surprised they were not winning in the hours after reset in their current match. They only came back at night. Maybe they really do have a lower population now.

Score + map update

Amazing match so far. The accusations that CD only zergs from some other servers seems inaccurate.

Score update with 1-2 hours left in the match depending on when Anet decides to have the reset.

They are definitely much stronger during NA primetime.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/34/9
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/34/10
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/34/11

In the score evolution graph, hit 1h and scroll all the way to the left. They went from losing right after reset and then coming back at night to winning big right at the start.

Kuldred.2436:

YB will be back. Hopefully sooner than later. I hope the next time around we can make in closer for everyone!

There’s a good chance of that. Being in T4 will give your players who feel defeated a more winning attitude. You’ll also pick up players that jump to winning servers. You’ll lose them when you come back to T3, but at least you’ll start off with a slightly higher population, lol. You may also get some legitimate new transfers. I heard CD picked up a few in the past weeks.

This is our sixth match with TC and our first with CD. I think this is their fourth match together but I’m not sure.

Stonesolid.2706:

Arcadio.6875:

Can we get regular updates? I gotta take my dad to surgery so I won’t be on until reset. Really want to see if the Yaks can close the gap.

Not online atm but 30 mins ago we had taken everything back from them. I don’t think they can do it.

Looks that way. The mos site has an update for 54 min ago.
TC 263,488 +270
FA 167,655 +350
YB 158,235 +75

For fun, here’s the score for T4 as of an hour ago.
CD 289,236 +680
EB 135,388 +5
Mag 151,381 +10

Looks like TC/FA/CD is a lock as is YB/Mag/EB. Can’t wait to fight CD for the first time.

Can we get regular updates? I gotta take my dad to surgery so I won’t be on until reset. Really want to see if the Yaks can close the gap.

Miu Xie.5872:

YB and FA’s scores are so close. I wonder who will come out ahead in the next 18 hours.

Last week was closer. Literally a photo finish:
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/39/10

katniss.6735:

I though it was MaGOONa?

During the FA/Mag/DB fight, one of the members in our guild actually thought the server was called that. Was funny when they said, “Wait a minute, it’s Maguuma?!”