Guild Wars 2

NO!!!

NO! I didn’t rush to reach level 80, it took me 2 months of healthy playing to reach level 80, I don’t need more grind for the sake of the next shiny thing!

Schwahrheit.4203:

EvisceratriX.1750:

try actually running this in a proper tournament, then you’d die in 3seconds from thief lolol

EU doesn’t have a good Warrior because your server relies on cheese more than NA.

Come back to us when you actually have a Warrior that’s close to an innovator in EU please. Better yet come to NA and see how this build out-damages your Thief in a team fight.

A Thief theory crafting on a Warrior build (Let alone he doesn’t know the difference of Long Bow instead of main hand Axe) from a region that relies on cheese and has zero capability of innovation. Nothing new here.

Thank you!

ChampionSound.3594:

I totally agree with you, OP… Chickens flapping around and pecking at the keys must have a very hard time with proper skill rotations, attunement swapping, etc. heck, it’s like a ten minute walk for a chicken to get from the keyboard to the mouse IF he doesn’t get distracted… The real issue here is that GW2 and the devices used to play it are all designed to be ergonomic for humanoids. Anet should acknowledge that their player base consists partly of chickens and other creatures of the avian variety.

Try to play an ele with no arcana traits, no water traits and play a d/d build, I bet you last 2s…I’m merciful so I won’t ask you to play staff or s/d as they’re completely out of your league,..be grateful^^

If you want to play condition mesmer why are you using a sword rather than scepter with confusion stacks?
Also I’d suggets to use pistol for the daze when the ele try to heal up; unless you can throw conditions fast and reliably, an ele will just keep cleaning them, finally the duellist given the crit chance, will be able to stack bleeding consistently.

You’ll normally face 0/10/0/30/30 eles that can switch attunement every 10s or so, by switching in water they can clear 2 conditions ( as they use both cleansing wave and cleansing water) plus they have a trait which grants regeneration on cantrip use, hence thx to cleansing water trait they’ll remove a condition each.

As these eles don’t use cantrip master trait, they’ll have the following CD on their cantrips:
1) Armor of earth -90s ( some may use cleansing fire which clear 3 conditions and cause burning to nearby foes -50s CD)
2) Mist form -75s
3) Lightning flash – 45s

Most eles will use ether renewal as main heal and unless they’ve got stability up ( armor of earth) I’d use an interrupt for the obvious channeling animation ( swirling white/blue lines around the ele with a fire crown on his head) which is 3.5s, otherwise they’ll clear up most of your conditions.

As condition mesmer you want to fill your enemies with confusion and bleeding fast and reliably, against ele pressure them in using the cantrips, wait for for when they’re out of water and interrupt their main heal

P.S I’d use null field and remove veil, you’ve got too much defense and not enough pressure, I’d use null field at the right time, when you start to see the ele cornered , out of water and most cantrips used

firebreathz.7692:

kostbabis.8791:

firebreathz.7692:

Arheundel.6451:

Nothing big, just allow us to use ice shards while shatterstone it’s activating, I’m sure this must be a bug, why else we shoulnd’t be able to use the water auto-attack while shatterstone is activating?

Finally can we add a condition to ice shards? Let’s add 3s weakness(1s for shard) to ice shards, this along with one of the improvement to dragon’s tooth, would make the set extremely good in my opinion

so you want to be able to use an auto attack while your casting shatter stone? does that seem right to you, essentially you are wanting to use 2 weapon skills at the same time.

the reason you shouldn’t is because you are casting shatter stone, no profession can use an auto attack during a cast time of another skill…

this is a silly request

Have you even played ele yet?
You can already use scepter air 1 with 2 at same time just cause the 2 is instant.
Shatterstone is worthless ability that makes no sence to cast unless it was made to not take any of your casting time…Ele state right now doesnt affect one bit the fact that shatterstone should be reworked cause right now its just a blank skill slot.\period
Maybe you would like to cast it if you know you gonna dodge immediately since its bugged and still fires when dodging…

But weakness on ice shards with this duration is too strong .I would preffer a small bleed chance or make it a 20% projectile.Also dt landing requires more skill right now and you can still bait melees in it and use it for zoning without ccs.

Ive tested what you said that “You can already use scepter air 1 with 2 at same time just cause the 2 is instant.” this is a complete lie…

go test it.. there is 1 1/2 sec casting time, if you use 1 straight after 2 you have to wait for the cast bar there is nothing instant about it.. even if it was that would of been a bug..

Edit: also if you do it the other way round 1 then use 2 straight after it just cancels 1 for 2

What the hell are you talking about? Arc lightning is a channeling skill, that’s not a cast bar, you start attacking the moment the bar start to fill not at the end it, know the difference between casting bar and channeling bar pls( churning earth cripple nearby foes and that’s more of a charging skill)!

The shatterstone problem which doesn’t allow me to use auto-attack while it’s activating it’s a bug! Basically while the ice stone explode I cannot use the water auto-attack but I can use the other ones so what you are on about?…of course it’s a bug…I can use ice spike and water blast can be used while Ice spike land, that’s what I mean for bug, I can use dragon’s tooth and the flamestrike while it lands, I can do that on every single element on every weapon set except water scepter

This is just a list of changes I’d like to see for the focus, “the forgotten set” from last year, the focus was extremely good in the beginning but then got nerfed a little too much in my opinion, these below are the skills I feel have been nerfed too hard and should be reverted back to a more reasonable status:

1)Fire Shield
-It was 30s in February 2012 with the same effect of today, then it got suddenly nerfed to 40s CD for no apparent reason and with no other changes, I believe that 30s CD was more than reasonable and 40s CD is just too high for the effects we get, it’s only burning we’re talking about no chill like for frost aura where the 40s CD is legitimate, or leave it at 40s CD but increase the aura duration to 6s.

2)Gale
-Around June of last year the 50s CD was justified from the fact that the Knockdown effect was 3s and hence superior to earthquake, but now the Kd has been reduced by 1s and we now have got a weaker version of earthquake for single target only and with 5s CD extra, maybe 3s KD is not so OP as you thought initially seen as guardians can have a 3s KD every 15s ( spirit hammer), therefore the 50s CD of gale is totally infair and should be lowered to at least 40s CD even though 35s CD would be ideal; but for 50s CD the Kd effect should be no less than 3s

I’d love to see thse kind of changes this months, it would make the focus more viable for sure

I mean seriously , it’s close to impossible to hit a moving target with this skill, I’ve got 0 problems with a staff even in 1vs1 situation, I can reliably hit people with lava font, ice spike you mention it.

But one of the main reason why I don’t use scepter in PvP it’s because of this skill, it’s slower than ice spike while having half the radius, this means that unless the target get CCed for 3s+, this skill won’t hit and the opponent can easily walk away from dmg therefore you have just wasted time because the opponent didn’t even need to use a dodge.

I have got 2 solution:

A) make dragons’ tooth a ground target spell with 0.75s activation before exploding

B) make dragon’s tooth move 0.50s slower than comet

The scepter is supposed to be our burst set no?!, well the dmg is there but in practice it’s quite difficult to land your hits with it, the other major problem of the scepter is Water, yeah water trident is completely fine but shatterstone-ice shards need to be improved

Nothing big, just allow us to use ice shards while shatterstone it’s activating, I’m sure this must be a bug, why else we shoulnd’t be able to use the water auto-attack while shatterstone is activating?

Finally can we add a condition to ice shards? Let’s add 3s weakness(1s for shard) to ice shards, this along with one of the improvement to dragon’s tooth, would make the set extremely good in my opinion

At the moment you can run 5 ELES and beat everyone, warriors can’t even deal dmg to them, and not even close at stomping! – After discussing with people I’ve come the conclusion that, “IF YOU CAN RUN MORE THAN ONE OF THE SAME CLASS IN A GAME E.G. 3 ELES, it’s broken”.

5 Warriors team
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsy1wmn1--U&feature=player_embedded

ROFL, yeah @Chukree “IF YOU CAN RUN MORE THAN ONE OF THE SAME CLASS IN A GAME E.G. 3 WARRIORS, it’s broken"…well said my friend

P.S Just another video showing how warriors are UP and useless in PvP, “3 of the same class in a game it’s broekn”…can’t stop laughing…even the developers must be laughing after reading this thread

Wreckdum.8367:

muscarine.5136:

Current fights are just a blurry furball where whomever has the more fire and forget AoE and mobility will win.

I hope an ANet dev reads that. That is a perfect example of why no one PvPs in GW2. People want strategy and challenge. Not clusterfu&% tactics.

Lol ..simply lol, you ask for strategy when the OP create a thread where he complaints he can’t use warrior like some kind of terminator T2000, where he can go in, shield in hand and one shot people left and right…strategy yeah lol

QUICKNESS:

You’d really love if the warrior were the only class with this ability because it’s the only class who really need this to land a full spike.
I wouldn’t go in details but.

Mesmer: Time warp. 10 Seconds, making all classes that shouldnt have quickness way too powerful. (Mesmer shatter AoE as well.. this has no ending)

Thief: Haste + heart seekers. And even hitting 4-5 hits IN STEALTH. Those skills are op.

Frenzy is not. Make you even squishier. And the effect can be so self-lethal. AND no! ANET, it doesnt have the same effect as in GUILD WARS 1. (can’t be spammed, can’t be broken)

Please try to be serious, the OP is stating that only frenzy is balanced compared to haste….say no more, this goes over biased threads…this thread win the top prize on these forums

Poxxia.1547:

@Arheundel: Do you really find it hard to argue vs people who are button-mashers without any real understanding?

Have you seen how people respond to the “first kind” of request in these forums btw?

All I can say is really, that thinking discussion is futile is imho the worst you can ever do. I find people in these forum a lot of the times don’t bother with convincing (nor have an open mind towards convincing neither) but rather try to persuade and/or manipulate. In all seriousness … we can all do the latter: Find your nearest psychology-guide-book to manipulation or/and if you are advanced supplement it with some insight into the world of power/discourse. All the bad habits are right here before us … sad really.

PS: I am not btw in any way trying to trivialize the subjects I have touched .. neither Foucault nor social psychology are simple subjects.

What happen on these forums is nothing new for a MMO player, all MMO official forums are like this…a constant influx of whine thread, the sPvP subforum is for 80% a collection of whine threads.

Anyway I have already stated that in now way I’m trying to convince people to change opinion…because it’s impossible, it’ll never happen, what will happen is that Anet will make few adjustment to the ele profession, few players won’t able to change their playstyle and they’ll feel as the class got destroyed…so they will leave the ele for another profession.

The whiners thinking they won, they’ll move to the next profession they keep losing and start another cycle of QQ threads, of course Anet won’t “destroy” the ele profession and little will change for those who have been playing it for months, basically if we were winning before…we’ll win np even after change, surely there will be less eles players and the meta will move to the next cheesy thing.

In the end QQers never win, a game get never dumbed down to their level and they’ll keep complaining forever, everytime they meet a new barrier

Chukree.1756:

Arheundel.6451:

“Ele in GW1 was weaker than GW2 ele”…this is one of the best jokes I had the pleasure to read on these forums.

A hero rank 9/gladiator rank 6 ele here and to answer to your claim that GW2 ele is stronger than GW1 ele…you’ve got no idea of what the GW1 ele was capable of:

1) perma Weakness = dmg reduced by 66%
2) perma blind= 90% miss rate chance
3) knockdown lock
4) perma burning
5) most powerful elites in the game= lightning surge, invoke, shockwave, mind burn, mind blast, savanna heat, searing flames…crazy
6) lightning surge was kd and 180 dmg on a 500 HP character, I could follow with orb of lightining for another 150 dmg, 2 attacks and you were already at 200 HP
7) mind blast for infinite energy
8) I could walk in and stand toe to toe with 2 warriors= shockwave+kd lock and kill both warriors
9) I could use armor of sanctity and take 0 dmg from every nearby mele attacker……
0 DMG
10) All this while having same HP of a warrior
11) in GW1 5 eles meant instant death ( literally) for any players, invoke spike GG

In all this, GW2 ele is nothing but a fraction of what ele was back in GW1…consider yourself lucky

Glad 9/champ 2 warrior here. Guild wars 1. You obviously play gw2 PvE. Eles were strong, but GW 1 was a monk game. This isnt. You never played bunker ele in GW 2.

Ele is the most OP class in game now every pvp would agree. I dont like ignorance.

Pls….no lies…if you want to talk to a champion level warrior I may arrange for you, just need to contacts few people and luckily I may give you the opportunity to speak to a real champion warrior from GW1.

Moving forward…what you assume I play..it’s completely irrelevant, you don’t represent all PvPers in this game, you represent the vocal minority , furthermore your knowlegde of the warrior class is limited to axe/shield/gs well known build…basically 1/4 of the entire profession, if you want to know how to play a warrior..I can arrange for you, this time will be more easy as I still play GW2, pls don’t be shy.

Seriously this must be one of the best jokes I ever read on these forums, I don’t think there is even a single GW1 ele here who would say something like that( of course it was a warrior XD)

In GW1, I was a god with my ele, I could stand between 2 warriors and kill them both..with zero effort( armor of sanctity FTW) or spike them to almost 1/4 HP every 10s from safe distance while having same HP and more resistance, and the spike was 100% hit rate, impossible to miss( lightning surge+orb of lightning hell yeah)

What about KD lock? and perma burning? lol…perma blinding when blind was actually a real condition and no the joke that is now?.

To anybody saying GW2 ele is stronger than GW1…I dedicate this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

“Ele in GW1 was weaker than GW2 ele”…this is one of the best jokes I had the pleasure to read on these forums.

A hero rank 9/gladiator rank 6 ele here and to answer to your claim that GW2 ele is stronger than GW1 ele…you’ve got no idea of what the GW1 ele was capable of:

1) perma Weakness = dmg reduced by 66%
2) perma blind= 90% miss rate chance
3) knockdown lock
4) perma burning
5) most powerful elites in the game= lightning surge, invoke, shockwave, mind burn, mind blast, savanna heat, searing flames…crazy
6) lightning surge was kd and 180 dmg on a 500 HP character, I could follow with orb of lightining for another 150 dmg, 2 attacks and you were already at 200 HP
7) mind blast for infinite energy
8) I could walk in and stand toe to toe with 2 warriors= shockwave+kd lock and kill both warriors
9) I could use armor of sanctity and take 0 dmg from every nearby mele attacker……
0 DMG
10) All this while having same HP of a warrior
11) in GW1 5 eles meant instant death ( literally) for any players, invoke spike GG

In all this, GW2 ele is nothing but a fraction of what ele was back in GW1…consider yourself lucky

Daishi.6027:

@jportell
Thanks. My issue is more the constant damage with tankyness. I’ve been using portal in duels to kill them.(with a lot of crying mind you) I’d get their HP low then break combat killing all 3 clones after a weapon swap then bull rush them. But I’ll take your advice to heart. Also thank you for attempting to get the thread back on topic.

@Arheundel
There may be perceptions you do not agree with, but a video and a venomous attitude is just poison to the people who are trying to learn, that is the point of this thread. I doubt anything is going to get nerfed based on the claims here no need to defend classes or builds. If you feel nothing wrong with your play, and are trying to help by implying the stupidity of others when they make a statement on their own perception it’s just not helpful. If you detest ignorance help enlighten people beyond a video link and having an attitude that is part if the problem why people can’t get into sPvP.

@others
Ask what play you need against another build with your current build not just call it OP and leave it, try to identify the walls you cannot get around then maybe others can help.

I can recognize people who want to learn and people who just want to QQ:

Person who want to learn: “Hey guys, I need some help in dealing with profession X, I don’t consider myself an experienced player so any insight is welcome ty”

Person who think to be a pro:" I can beat most professions without any problems , I’m rank blah blah blah and won several tournaments blah blah, I run this build and always lose to profession X, it’s OP nerf it"

The level of arrogance already gives aways their intention even in the most veiled situations, no video, suggestion or tactic will change their mind.
To everything their answer is :" GG you just show videos of pro beating noobs", therefore I have to assume they’re a pro players losing to noobs am I right? Because of course everybody running profession X is a freaking noob and they’re the pro players hence they can’t lose to us, if we win it’s because we’re OP, despite videos and thread showing otherwise

You know how they say…“the road to hell is paved with good intentions”, stop covering for these QQers, they’ve got no intention of learning because they think to know already everything

Basically people like me who have been using the same profession for the last 6 months, tested it non stop during every BWE, build theorycrafted for months, should go and lose to the likes of button smashers, who go in press quickness/frenzy 1-2-3 and expect people to fall dead at their feet?!
I use a staff, no shocking aura, no frost aura, no burning speed…and there is still no way for them to win, unless I get attacked by 4-5 people and got everything on CD, is it this because staff is OP also?

So venomous attitude?…yeah you’re right, but try to understand where I am coming from

jportell.2197:

Arheundel.6451:

jportell.2197:

Hmmm… lets get back on topic. For the people that think profession X with Y build is OP. Instead of constantly saying L2P (I’m guilty of this I know) Give advice on what you have seen people do to beat you. The people that feel that that profession is OP take the advice go duel a friend on an empty server and try the tactics suggested. Saying this is “OP it needs nerfed” then replying with “IT’S not Op just LTP noob” gets us nowhere. I gave the OP some advice on dealing with a phantasm army Mesmer.
@Arheundel I am guessing you run D/D ele. Instead of saying L2P to people tell the people the strategies that others have used to beat you. Or what mess up’s you might make and others might make to watch out for.

There are dozen of videos and multipages threads on how to deal with each profession…have you ever heard the term “spoon-feed”?…yeah

I get your meaning but instead of a nerf war let us be constructive. And Ele’s are a pain in the neck… But they are supposed to be. :P And IMO a Mesmer specced right can bunker better than a guardian.

If somebody would come and say :" ok profession X is too efficient at this, so I suggest to reduce the duration of trait Y from 10s to 5s and maybe change skill A to make more hard to land or reduce the range from 600 to 300"
Then yes there is constructive discussion because you can see that the guy proposing changes actually know about the profession and he’s asking for specific changes, but the majority of people know kitten about other profession and from the top of their arrogance they still ask for nerfs, as they consider themself pro players hence every defeat is due to the them facing an OP profession

Here use this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqUb23XCTCY

And against 2-3 bunker eles team, use this other one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11e8XyUBqRQ

jportell.2197:

Hmmm… lets get back on topic. For the people that think profession X with Y build is OP. Instead of constantly saying L2P (I’m guilty of this I know) Give advice on what you have seen people do to beat you. The people that feel that that profession is OP take the advice go duel a friend on an empty server and try the tactics suggested. Saying this is “OP it needs nerfed” then replying with “IT’S not Op just LTP noob” gets us nowhere. I gave the OP some advice on dealing with a phantasm army Mesmer.
@Arheundel I am guessing you run D/D ele. Instead of saying L2P to people tell the people the strategies that others have used to beat you. Or what mess up’s you might make and others might make to watch out for.

There are dozen of videos and multipages threads on how to deal with each profession…have you ever heard the term “spoon-feed”?…yeah

NevirSayDie.6235:

This thread proves that eles can 1v4. One ele is trying to defend his profession against 4 others who are claiming it’s OP.

I lost your train of thought when you suggested a grenade engineer as a counter to a triple-cantrip ele, though. Our only weapon against eles is pretty much autoattack, because we don’t have the lockdown to land our own burst. We do all right in 2v1’s when we have a teammate to do lockdown for us, though. I’m not sure if demonstrating that engineers do well against eles when it’s 2v1 is a very good way to argue your point, though.

Your only weapon against eles is your auto-attack? There are videos of engineers holding off multiple opponents in WvWvW , sPvP and tPvP; videos of engineers dealing 16k dmg burst in 1s…and your only weapon against eles is auto-attack because as engineer YOU LACK CC?

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Duncanmix.5238:

Arheundel.6451:

I gave you my answer, since I know how to counter d/d eles playing bunker, I’d use builds which would counter them : hammer warrior-trap ranger-engineer-wells necro-shatter mesmer…it was so easy= lava font+eruption pressure, ele goes water and ele leaves water, frozen ground+shatter = dead bunker ele; or I can call thief, cluster bomb when he leaves water=dead ele.
How many situations do you need?

Ok so you would choose team B, interesting choice. Btw you cant call thief because there is no thief in team B. Now what I would like to know is, are you part of top team and more important I would need more answers from top teams.
Actually the best thing would be to make PvP league. Something like WvW with tiers. Each tier consist of 5 teams, and maybe 10 tiers. I would like to see what compositions would those teams use.

I’m part of team A as I’m ele, a staff ele or s/d ele and there was a ranger instead than necro, and no I’m no part of any team, I have just got a rich friend list as I join/leave guilds frequently and I end up playing with different teams every day and I change my build to reflect the team I get

Choops.3710:

Arheundel.6451:

Choops.3710:

Arheundel.6451:

Choops.3710:

This went pretty much like I thought it would. Civilized discussion about what constitutes being ‘OP’ turns into elitist kitten shows up and tells us all to l2p. Might as well /closethread

I bring proofs , evidence of what I’m saying….where is your evidence of these “OP” professions? These threads always end up in the same way lol.
I bring facts and numbers…the opposition brings insults and nothing else, basically once again I have showed everybody how these “OP” threads are nothing more than veiled whine threads by the vocal minority, yeah l2p is always the answer you’ll get anyway…‘cause it’s the truth, if you expect to press 1-2-3 and watch people die at your feet..well wrong game.

-snip-

Just a barrage of words to say what? That you’ve got attitude and think your opinion is enough to question the balance in this game, well it’s good to see how much respect you’ve got for yourself…but that’s about it, your opinion counts only for you..so tell me again why did you enter in my discussion? Last I’ve checked I definetely wasn’t talking to you

That’s the beauty of the public forums, they’re public. For everyone to talk about things and share their opinions and yes, occasionally question balance. Lolz at me having an attitude. Good show!

Yeah exactly so what have you got to counter my claims? I was talking to @Duncanmix then you come and start calling me ‘elitist whatever’, unless you’ve got something concrete to say, I’d like you to stay out of the discussion, you can use your ’elitist" titles with someone else

Choops.3710:

Arheundel.6451:

Choops.3710:

This went pretty much like I thought it would. Civilized discussion about what constitutes being ‘OP’ turns into elitist kitten shows up and tells us all to l2p. Might as well /closethread

I bring proofs , evidence of what I’m saying….where is your evidence of these “OP” professions? These threads always end up in the same way lol.
I bring facts and numbers…the opposition brings insults and nothing else, basically once again I have showed everybody how these “OP” threads are nothing more than veiled whine threads by the vocal minority, yeah l2p is always the answer you’ll get anyway…‘cause it’s the truth, if you expect to press 1-2-3 and watch people die at your feet..well wrong game.

-snip-

Just a barrage of words to say what? That you’ve got attitude and think your opinion is enough to question the balance in this game, well it’s good to see how much respect you’ve got for yourself…but that’s about it, your opinion counts only for you..so tell me again why did you enter in my discussion? Last I’ve checked I definetely wasn’t talking to you

I gave you my answer, since I know how to counter d/d eles playing bunker, I’d use builds which would counter them : hammer warrior-trap ranger-engineer-wells necro-shatter mesmer…it was so easy= lava font+eruption pressure, ele goes water and ele leaves water, frozen ground+shatter = dead bunker ele; or I can call thief, cluster bomb when he leaves water=dead ele.
How many situations do you need?

1) If you’re burst with no sustain , don’t try 1vs1..you lose, a burster comes-deliver and leave
2) Ether renewal is 3.5s channeling, I can’t think of any build on any profession which hasn’t got an interrupt, don’t spamm it on recharge!( like 90% of people do against me)
3) D/D doesn’t offer any block/invulnerability or such…eles use soldier/shaman/cleric/valkrye amulets..and they’ve all got toughness + runes
4) If ele use mist form to counter your burst , GG, you’ve been outplayed try again!
5) You can see incoming ele attacks from miles away, there is a huge display every time they change attunements…impossible to miss that! utterly impossible!If you can’t dodge a burning speed ele…GG but you’re worst than him hence you’ll lose
6) Steady dmg to force him in using defenses skills and bust when he leaves water …simple
7) Eles can have more than one build…time to learn ele skills and traits ( like I did for all other professions)

Choops.3710:

This went pretty much like I thought it would. Civilized discussion about what constitutes being ‘OP’ turns into elitist kitten shows up and tells us all to l2p. Might as well /closethread

I bring proofs , evidence of what I’m saying….where is your evidence of these “OP” professions? These threads always end up in the same way lol.
I bring facts and numbers…the opposition brings insults and nothing else, basically once again I have showed everybody how these “OP” threads are nothing more than veiled whine threads by the vocal minority, yeah l2p is always the answer you’ll get anyway…‘cause it’s the truth, if you expect to press 1-2-3 and watch people die at your feet..well wrong game.

Decrypter.1785:

@ Arheundel go watch more youtube vids then lmao

I don’t need..you do need to watch these videos XD

Duncanmix.5238:

Everything can happen in games, but you didn’t answer my question. If you are in top team which composition would you choose? It doesn’t matter what happened to you in some games, what matters is what would top teams choose if they had to play for million or whatever numbers seems high enough to be extra serious.

Isn’t the answer obvious? What counts is only who is behind the profession, people think to go in and win because they use 2X profession A or B, these teams which use double ele or guardian, unless you’re good it, you’ll get destroyed no doubt about it.

The question is how much you know about eles to complain about them? I could ask you now few questions that you woudn’t know the answer..and that’s why you lose

Duncanmix.5238:

Honestly youtube videos prove nothing, you can find any profession owning it up. Also I said that list is my opinion, and for sure that’s not proof of balance or imbalance. But word of top teams would mean a lot. I actually agree that their opinion matter the most. Only thing sometimes they would try to hide their real feeling especially if some strategy giving them great results.
But I would ask top teams one question and its related to my list:
If you would have to play match for 1 million dollars against team that is absolutely same skilled as you which composition would you choose:
a) Ele, Guardian, Thief, Mesmer and Necro
b) Warrior, Ranger, Engineer, Mesmer and Necro

It would be interesting to find out opinion of pro teams on this, and % of them choosing answer a.

You know? it’s funny because my team lost to option B and won several times against option A even against teams using double ele bunker.
Between trap ranger, hammer warrior, grenade engineer and freaking wells necro ( not forgetting the usual shatter mesmer) it was extremely hard even for my staff build to last in a team fight, the earth shaker +grenades barrage was ridicolous…see? warrior can sue more than 100b build and do wells, while engineers are a pain in the kitten /p>

Decrypter.1785:

Arheundel.6451:

Decrypter.1785:

Well Every class can do dps but not every class can break cc aswell as others , this is the main problem tbh

But the Strong classes atm are in no order , thief , mesmer , ele , rest are behind

…lol

“Underpowered” Axe+shield Warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXEIcqMcfyw

It’d be faster if people would ditch their attitude and admit they know little about their own profession…but I doubt a video will do the trick, even after a 1000 videos some people would still say :" warrior is UP"

Dude its easy to scan youtube n find great players face rolling noobz for youre proof , i play a lot of spvp n theose are my opinions , not youtubes

ty tho

Really? Then why the situation change when you complain about other professions?
So people beat you because they use OP professions..not because they’re better than you…that’s kittening convenient….

Ha btw, why don’t you scan youtube and find me these “godmode” ele videos, “unkillable” ele winning vs 4…ha and pls no ridicolous wvwvw videos..between food, different armor stats and more it’d be hard to take you seriously

Decrypter.1785:

Well Every class can do dps but not every class can break cc aswell as others , this is the main problem tbh

But the Strong classes atm are in no order , thief , mesmer , ele , rest are behind

Ha, if you want to brake out of CC often…what about this?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stun_breaker#Skills_that_break_stun

You know why? because eles use 3 kittening stun breaker, we don’t get stun breaker on our skills liek thieves for example and our stun breaker got the highest CD across the board, 45s-50s-75s-90s…of course it’s easier to QQ on the forums about stuff you’ve got zero knowledge about
If you want to cleanse conditions often…what about this?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shout
+ soldier runes

“Ha but I want to use frenzy+ 100b QQ”
So pls go and show me how an ele without the right equipment: amulet/runes can become the “godmode” that you people so much complain about, take off the dwaynas runes, take off the cleric amulet, take out signet of restoration and I want to see you guys with ele tanking VS 2+ people!

I want to give you guys my staff build, go out there and play like me, with the same results, after all ele is so much “godmode” that you guys should have zero problems am I right?

Decrypter.1785:

Well Every class can do dps but not every class can break cc aswell as others , this is the main problem tbh

But the Strong classes atm are in no order , thief , mesmer , ele , rest are behind

…lol

“Underpowered” Axe+shield Warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXEIcqMcfyw

It’d be faster if people would ditch their attitude and admit they know little about their own profession…but I doubt a video will do the trick, even after a 1000 videos some people would still say :" warrior is UP"

“warrior dmg is very weak "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXs_EY0KSUs

hharry.1967:

Extra 10 skills? You are wrong, saying that is OP, because, having those ‘extra’ skills is actually our special class skill, just like mesmers have extra 4 skills, warriors and thieves 1 extra skill and so on. On top of that each skill is actually weaker than any of the ‘non op’ classes skills, thats why eles needs them all.

You’re wasting breath, threads like this are a typical examples of MMO community :" I lose to profession X hence it’s OP", nothing new
If you ask all the people here present, they don’t know more than 3 ele traits, no more than a couple of utilities and absoluley no clue of our skills CD, range and effect; Anet will ( of course) keep ignoring these threads and these people will keep asking for nerfs till the end time .

This is what happen when people rather than QQ on the forums go our of their way to learn the opponent:

Mesmer flawless victory VS “unbeatable” 0/10/0/30/30 ele
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjUtDw8e8kI

This is what happen when people rather than QQ on the forum go out there and experiment, test new builds, learn from every defeat rathet than crying…

Underpowered engineer win 1vs4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX7T5BqQd64

And there are other videos out there showing what each profession is capable of.
The people who post these QQ threads simply want to go out there press 1-2-3 and see people dead at their feet and if that doesn’t happen :" OMG Anet profession X is OP QQ"

Pharexys.4280:

I dont want this thread closed, so im not gonna point them out, you’re in pvp scene, you should know there are “alot” of broken mechanics that kids abuse to gain benefits. All of them are reported, only revival ones got fixed in over 2 months. Lets see how long kids gonna run with all boons till it’ll be fixed.

Because the revival thingy was an actual problem, the rest it’s just a l2p issue on your part I’m afraid

Blakey.5670:

I know exactly what you’re talking about.
Have you not had Elementalists running into a cap point filled with your whole team and just laughing their butt off?
That alone states the issue. I can’t believe people didn’t encounter that.

I can never allow myself that situation. I’ll get insta gibbed.

An ele run on a cap point with your whole team on it?
…….I’d have believed you more if you’d have told me that France prime minister is Kryptonian

Bloodyx.5946:

There is still a problem with absurd survivability for a game based on capture points. I have played all the classes for a while in pvp and when someone can out-heal even a damage glass cannon build, its not balanced by definition. If someone, like an ele or guardian or necro or thief or ranger ect, puts most points into survivability – toughness, vitality, and healing – they should not be able to out-heal damage 1 on 1. If this happens, then Areanet is going to get a game where everyone runs in kitten circles permahealing. There will be no action and the game will get boring because deviations from those builds are just useless. That’s the way serious pvp is going right now. The game will get more and more boring and I’m sure it is getting obvious to people right now. Not being able to cap a point, and many times even dying, because of “bunker” builds who just soak up damage, heal and repeat, is becoming the norm.

What the hell are you talking about? If professions put points in vitality/toughness should not survive burst ? On a absurd level scale from 0 to 10..you are at 10000 with this post, you know what? Just bin GW2 and go play Crysis 2 multiplayer stealth mode

…maybe you’ll learn something..but chances are you’ll keep QQ on the forums even though you represent the minority , you can be sure of that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjUtDw8e8kI

Other players are too busy enjoying the game, don’t have time to record videos for “unexperienced players asking for nerfs”

If you want to use Power, precision, condition dmg I suggest to run scepter/dagger with Elemental surge and arcane wave+arcane shield and of course take burning precision fire trait V,oh you may want to take a fire sigil you’ll love it XD, there you can use ice shards/arc lightning/stone shard to proc burning precision and fire blast with no fail ( above 40% crit chance) to apply 2s burning in burning precision case and over 1k aoe dmg +3s burning with the fire sigil

You can then use renewing stamina arcana trait VI ( if you don’t need arcane mastery trait I) which grants you vigor on crit.

If you want to use d/d then a P/V/T would be preferable as you haven’t got skills which would affect both condition dmg and precision in the same way as with s/d, unless you want a precision ele in which case I’d suggest to use a Power/crit dmg/Healing power amulet and raise precision and this if you’re good at kiting and constant circling, otherwise it’s better to go P/V/T and use EA arcana trait.

Finally as last suggestion , it’s possible to run with 20 fire and take pyromancer alacrity and 10/20 arcana, you’ll do some big hits and using a P/V/T you won’t have to worry much about a hit or two…of course always hit from the back , nothing beat a well place burning speed when the least you expect ( in PvP, in PvE MOB won’t attack you unless you aggro them anyway ^^)

Whatever you do in a game there will be someone complaining..you could paint purple a single tree in a single forest in the middle of kittening nowhere..and somebody would complain that the purple tree ruin the scenery and he want it removed….god to be a game designer you must be a saint to go over the daily whining for every little change you do

Darnis.4056:

Disgustingly OP burst in what looks like 16k in 0.1 seconds , is this a legit build ? I’ve seen this twice now… Makes warrior/thief burst look like it takes skill.

There are things called : dodge, timing and strategy, psl use them

Khenzy.9348:

I’m a D/D or S/D bunker Ele player, I’ve been one for months, I’ve done thousands of deaths in WvW (also rank 39 with many tournies too), and I think we are way… WAY over the top, does that make me a hater now? You all live in your own little bubbles, it’s quite saddening.
Instead of defending the spec that’s clearly NOT balanced and showing such concerning ‘nerphobia’ towards it (which only screams we are that powerful). Why don’t we create a thread suggesting improvements to this spec and the profession overall to make it more fun and fair for everyone? This thread clearly does not contribute to anything.

A bunker is specced for survival hence the healing are pretty high seen as the HP is extremely low, to go and simply nerf the healing would affect many ( like me) who don’t use a bunker build and I play staff, s/d and d/d.

The healing coefficient has already been nerfed and the bunker ele build is not unbeatable at all as many say, the 99% of those complaining are bad players generally, what it was yesterday? I easily beaten a r54 ele bunker along with a r14 ranger because I told him when and how to rupt, when to use fear and knockback because I freaking know the common rotation bunker use.

A bunker build is tough to bring down and Anet has already stated that bunkers are here to stay, or you use a counter build( heavy boon removal) or you play an effective combo, not more than 2 people, you don’t even need a counter build, all you need is an effective control build with loads of CC ( in the ele case who lack stability on demand like guardians) or poison/bleed ( in the guardian case who lack strong condition removal).

You need to use your brain, an effective strategy works better than coming and QQ on the forums, I don’t see myself losing to button smashers anytime soon, I can kittening predict 70% of what you’re about to do.

Warrior- bolas followed by 100b combo….In dodge bolas wiithout even wasting a stun breaker, I can use “look behind” camera control to dodge bolas even if the warrior is coming from behind

Thief- go stealth and try to press F1-2-2-2-2-2-2…(yawn)..2.2.2.2, me with a staff: burning retreat-lava font-frozen ground-ice spike= dead thief

Ele – use shocking aura ( and I’m at range), use frost aura , use burning speed…I use eruption-frozen ground-lava font, ele try to use ER and I follow with gust….

….." I got you…under my skin"

More pew pew and less QQ, most people are so predictable that I can tell what they’re gonna do in a week time

I receive hate messages every day , every time I go sPvP…and .I’m always the one who come up on top…yet I don’t even laugh at you haters who chase me in group trying to kill me, only to land in my well planned traps ( like I snare all of you in a choke point in front of my base) and get annhilated as a result….ha and I am a staff user( epic weapon to farm all those haters who chase me in sPvP, currently my average is 200 pts for match on every map, win or loss)

Ivano.2604:

Arheundel.6451:

Ivano.2604:

Very sweet of you “proud elementalist” to congratz on a new skill, while you all have missed the “new real” introduction into daggers leap and burning fire and even RTL

Do not want to spoil you the surprise but you will soon realize that the beloved D/D just received such an heavy nerf on its unique mobility and overall playstile that it is almost unplayable the way was initially (and rationally) introduced.

Just one question to this “the developer who introduced this change…..: YOU’RE A GENIUS,”
How a melee mage wearing light armor using daggers is supposed to actually “get in combat range” now that all its natural and intelligent skills who were introduced are now not viable? That is right, try now to RTL or any other previous skill designed to leap you forward and throw you in combat range, NOW that are all affected by any sort of countering skills in game!

I imagine you people who just wrote in here are unaware of what i am talking about, judging by your posts. Well, enjoy your new leap finisher until you will crush yourself against some invisible wall, or push back, or knock down, or even AOE slow, Weakness, stun and any other noobish spammable skill.

Trust me, the Dear D/D ele as it was designed with its unique fun and capabilities to break into zerg or even on a single target is over :/

But hey, hold on we still have Stability skill every 90 seconds lasting for 7! That s the time frame the old D/D can actually fit in

And since i am here, let me just say that the new “number 3” earth skill is one more NERF since the same ability has been split in 2 phases, and since both these phases are easily counterable now, it just lost its previous instant effectiveness.

Peace

What is changed it’s the fact that now you can no longer use earth3 blindly like before, now unless you’re got a plan or trusted gameplay, you pretty much gonna get hit hard in return.

A clever change that does not reduce ele mobility as hoped by the nerf criers, now it’s much more easy to use the leap finisher: ring of fire-earth3 ( burning projectile)- leap
( fire aura).

But but..i am really wondering how people has played D/D dagger before today patch! How didn’t you notice the severe NERF on all mobility skills, even the 3 into Fire or the 4 into Air not to mention this crappy add on on the 3 of Earth.
Make an experiment, go in pvp with your friend and try to get him with RTL or any of the above skill designed to leap you forward your opponent, and tell your friend to try and counter that :p – Big surprise makes you Happy! ^^

Wake up please, Elementalist D/D just received one of the major NERF this game has ever seen on a class, and trust me i am not the kind of person who usually complaint unless major crap is introduced…

Again this is not a nerf…it’s a fix, it gives room to grow for more clever gameplay, to snare/immobilize a d/d will let him think twice before rushing head on into combat with no strategy using burning speed.
Basically d/d ele has received a very welcome difficulty adjustment, I enjoy challenges and to destroy people when I beat these challenges

Volrath.1473:

@Arheundel.6451

There are a few long posts in this forum on other threads about this, I will not repost just look around.
Few hints.
- underwater combat is still very unbalanced.
- thieves and elementalists will never die wile figting abouve the water wells.
- professions with knock back utilities have great advantage on this map.

To name the most obvious ones.

Ps I play a thief as main.

- You can dodge knockback animation, more like you can anticipate them…no I’m no crazy, furthermore there is push and fear that can force an opponent down, it’s all part of the strategy
- Underwater combat is balanced enough for me, many 1-2-3 burst combos are not possible and there is loads of manouevres to do( up/down left/right), I really enjoy underwate combat, very challenging against some professions ( ranger pet bug will be fixed soon or later)
-What? thieves and eles won’t die above water wells? didn’t occur to me

Ivano.2604:

Very sweet of you “proud elementalist” to congratz on a new skill, while you all have missed the “new real” introduction into daggers leap and burning fire and even RTL

Do not want to spoil you the surprise but you will soon realize that the beloved D/D just received such an heavy nerf on its unique mobility and overall playstile that it is almost unplayable the way was initially (and rationally) introduced.

Just one question to this “the developer who introduced this change…..: YOU’RE A GENIUS,”
How a melee mage wearing light armor using daggers is supposed to actually “get in combat range” now that all its natural and intelligent skills who were introduced are now not viable? That is right, try now to RTL or any other previous skill designed to leap you forward and throw you in combat range, NOW that are all affected by any sort of countering skills in game!

I imagine you people who just wrote in here are unaware of what i am talking about, judging by your posts. Well, enjoy your new leap finisher until you will crush yourself against some invisible wall, or push back, or knock down, or even AOE slow, Weakness, stun and any other noobish spammable skill.

Trust me, the Dear D/D ele as it was designed with its unique fun and capabilities to break into zerg or even on a single target is over :/

But hey, hold on we still have Stability skill every 90 seconds lasting for 7! That s the time frame the old D/D can actually fit in

And since i am here, let me just say that the new “number 3” earth skill is one more NERF since the same ability has been split in 2 phases, and since both these phases are easily counterable now, it just lost its previous instant effectiveness.

Peace

What is changed it’s the fact that now you can no longer use earth3 blindly like before, now unless you’re got a plan or trusted gameplay, you pretty much gonna get hit hard in return.

A clever change that does not reduce ele mobility as hoped by the nerf criers, now it’s much more easy to use the leap finisher: ring of fire-earth3 ( burning projectile)- leap
( fire aura).

Volrath.1473:

JonathanSharp.7094:

We do care about PvP. A lot more than you know actually.

Thanks for the ideas/suggestions/ constructive feedback! It means a lot that you guys are so passionate and fired up about the game – it means that you care and want it to succeed!

I am passioned and I do want it to succeed but your words do not match your actions.
If you cared so much for pvp as you claim, matchmaking would have been in a lot time ago before so many ppl left.

Forcing ppl to play on a map that mostly everyone skips just because you believe it as tournament potential doesn’t make it better. Did you even care to ask your players what they thought about this map ?! I’m sure it was fun to create it but I’m sorry to say that it is not fun to play in.

These are just a few things that makes me doubt that you guys like pvp as much as you claim.

Pls prove me wrong…. Sincerely!

The map is great because it doesn’t promote zerging like the others and buff bonuses are an excellent idea, there are several builds that each class could use there, from assaulter to nuker to pure roamer

To the developer who introduced this change…..: YOU’RE A GENIUS, pls add more changes like this, pretty pls!

WaffylesYay.9735:

Always remember the silent majority Anet, many of us are enjoying your game.

To some of the forum posters here in sPvP:
Have you guys played LoL recently? That community is/was just toxic….lets not become like that. If you don’t like Gw2 right now, then go elsewhere. You already bought the game, so just come back in a few months when they have more features that you do like.

My advice: Have a beer, chill out, and kill kittens.

POST OF THE MONTH

Volrath.1473:

Arheundel.6451:

Volrath.1473:

i will wait for match as well, just not in (this) game.
The WoW time (when it was the only option) is far passed and there are allot of fun games out there for me to ENJOY instead of frustrating myself in GW2 for no good reason.

You’ve said the same thing on 4 different threads..but you’re still here, guess you like the game more than me ^^

Yes I do like the game and that’s why I’m so annoyed!
Only one of my friends still loges in on rare occasions, I have seen 2 of the guilds I was in desapear and my friends list is a an abandoned graveyard .

The pvp experience is boring and linear not to mention the bunker fest that tournaments are due to the single pvp mode available. It was acceptable for a wild but now it’s just… Gah

So yea I’m very annoyed and yah I’m rage quitting gw2 and joining my friends on a real esport pvp game!

I don’t find the PvP experience boring at all, especially because I haven’t played all 8 profession yet, no yet reached r50 ( I want that flaming armor, 5 ranks to go XD), no won enough paid tournament yet, no reached the reaper title yet and more reasons.

There is plenty of fun in this game…but of course that depends on your idea of fun

Khenzy.9348:

I switched from sPvP to WvW 2 months or so ago, I left it at rank 39. But now they are starting to implement this ascended gear completely ignoring half of the sets (Cleric, Knight, Carrion, Rampager, etc.), effectively destroying my build. I stepped away from a stale boring meta PvP mode with an overdemanding entry learning curve to be competitive, to a more relaxed flexible and slightly less competitive scene, yet I’m finding other kinds of equially worse barriers, it’s also a place that suffers from balance issues. You complain about Thieves with 60% crit damage and 3100 attck power here? Try fighting one with 110% crit. damage and 3600 attack power with the kittenty culling.

Well accordingly to thieves, only bad players can’t dodge invisible enemies and you MUST have enough toughness/block or protection to counter their spike which can bring you down to 10% HP in 1.5s, of course this because thieves are extremely squishy as berseker amulet doesn’t grant toughness and they MUST put all traits in dmg/precision therefore they’re justified on the other hand you are not allowed to effectively survive their spike dmg, too much toughness and you’re OP/unkillable.

If I use a macro which involve 3 buttons max, you the target MUST die because I’m a thief, I use berseker amulet and I’m squishy because of it, try to go full zerker yourself if you complain so much about thieves, what? no stealth? Then you’re a free kill of course, I’m telling you it’s extremely hard to go stealth and press F1 2-2-2-2-2…3, after every game session I need to put my hands in iced water, to press that macro button over and over again it’s extremely tiring.

And remember….“Thief is the only class in this game which require skills”

Volrath.1473:

i will wait for match as well, just not in (this) game.
The WoW time (when it was the only option) is far passed and there are allot of fun games out there for me to ENJOY instead of frustrating myself in GW2 for no good reason.

You’ve said the same thing on 4 different threads..but you’re still here, guess you like the game more than me ^^

A video to reflect GW2 community after every patch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq1KeyEARBU