Guild Wars 2

Broadicea.8294:

Until Ayrilana finally stops avoiding the multitude of specific examples I provided and explains why those aren’t exploits, why the berserker stack was, and how players are supposed to know the difference, it’s safe to assume they are just trolling.

I didn’t ignore your examples. I answered them in a simple statement since you misrepresented “my logic” and stated them as being exploits to me when they had nothing to do what I was talking about. Check the third post from the bottom of the first page. I’m sorry that you felt like I was ignoring your post. I should’ve been more clear about it so that you could not have missed it. I’ll address each of your examples specifically even though the answers will be pretty much the same for each one.

AC, any path: skirting around the outside of Kohler’s platform to avoid the boss fight

This is called skipping. It’s already been addressed by the devs as not an exploit. You’re not using terrain or going through walls like in Arah to avoid the boss fight. There is a clear path that you can use to avoid him.

SE path 1: pulling the 3 golems individually into the large tunnel to avoid fighting them together. Later on, pulling Tezza into the main room so you can fight her without fighting the Champion beside her.

This is a common tactic in a lot of games. It is not an exploit. You’re picking and choosing your targets.

SE path 3: walking up the pipe after the first barricade, bypassing the group of bombers (so totally unnecessary but a lot of PUGs do it).

It’s call cutting a corner. It’s no different than for the AC example. You’re not glitching anywhere to get out of the map. You’re not using anything to get somewhere that you’re not supposed to be. There’s just an open gap next to the bridge that allows you to scale the wall and drop down.

TA F/U path: using invuln skills to walk into the bubbles where the Archers are, so you don’t have to deal with the glitchy teleporter

You mean the F/F path. After thinking about it, I would consider this an exploit. You are not meant to go through the bubbles but use the portals instead. I’ve never had issues with the portals. Just use the symbol on your mini-map to determine which portal to use.

TA Up: utilizing the poison damage multiplier to kill Malrona in seconds. Later, pulling Fyonna into the hallway so you don’t hatch any of the eggs.

This is likely something the devs purposely programmed similar to the fight on Arah Path 1 with the 9 champion mobs with the light. It’s a cost/benefit situation. You deal more damage yet you’re taking more damage. Not an exploit.

You’re fighting her in an area that does not have the eggs. She’s within her leash range. Not an exploit.

CoF Path 1: utilizing the safe spots in the Acolyte room to drop aggro from the enemies

You’re just running out of range so they leash. Not a big deal.

As you can see, with the exception of the one I missed, your examples were all nothing close to being exploits. You twisted what you considered “my logic” and made random examples. I’ve explained several times why the Berserker attack was an exploit yet you ignored all of them.

Trying going to www.gw2lfg.com

You can usually get a group right after the daily reset for explorable at least. I’d leave yourself wanting to do the story and keep it updated.

Aer.3970:

Ayrilana.1396:

You seriously can’t tell me that the devs meant for people to stack on berserker and auto/afk attack him?

I seriously can. Some WoW bosses had the same mechanic – run out ond you die, you have to get in close to avoid the fatal damage.

Anyways, this thread is going in circles and has deviated from it’s original topic. We are likely not going to agree. I dislike exploits, you don’t.

And now you’re throwing a tantrum. You know very well s/he isn’t endorsing exploits, s/he is saying that we are questioning that it is an exploit as you claim.

No. I just don’t see a point since I’m constantly repeating the same argument over and over. You cut out the part of my quote where they mentioned that its the debs fault for the programming mistake and it’s not wrong to take advantage of it. Kind of sounds like they’re endorsing it.

This isn’t WoW. If a boss jumps up into the air and does a body slam at the spot your standing then you should expect to take damage. You can justify it all you want but sooner or later you will get banned for doing something you convinced yourself was legit.

Dub.1273:

gwscr.com accepts screenshots as proof. Noone is forced to share the tactics he used.
Not saying that you guys have to accept it, don’t believe it’s possible if you want. Even if it is a bit kitten since i provided screenshots and gave imformation about how it can be done.
There have been arguments “blabla is not possible”, which i all proved wrong.
And what does skipping bosses have to do with this? Kholer is optional, like the Bridge event im CoF. Or are you now telling me CoF farmers who skip that are not doing CoF p1?

Actually, no you haven’t.

JubeiTM.5763:

Ayrilana.1396:

Seasonal has nothing to do with it. Temporary content is temporary.

I am sure he would expect am official answer. It is clearly you have more time to spare in front of your screen, so you shouldn’t judge people that didn’t finish the achievements and request another chance.

Yes. I found the 3 hours over the course of 4 months to do this.

Probably better to post in the thief subforum.

You’re either going to want to be able to use 4 seconds of evade or reflect. Once their projectile attack is over, they’re very easy. I’m not familiar enough with thief to tell you exactly what to do. If you were mesmer then I could.

There really wasn’t much of a story until the end of March patch. Even then you coul do it in about 40 minutes. I wish next time they shorten the downtime between living story updates. You can still build suspense and still do the entire story chain within a month.

Make sure to grab the buff on all your toons before you log off.

Broadicea.8294:

I pretty much agree with all that, except that you’re misrepresenting my argument, which is that it’s difficult for the players to be able to tell the difference between a programming error and an intended way to bypass some other mechanic. You still haven’t answered how players are supposed to know what’s acceptable and what’s not. Here are some more examples I can think of where I see simple use of an available mechanic to do something easier, whereas your logic would call these exploits. Can you weigh in on them, and how players should be able to tell the difference between viable strategy and exploit?

Actually no. I would not call those exploits. You’ve completely missed what I was stating was an exploit and I even used the Ac Path 1 boss as an example since it had a similarity to what people used for Berserker. It’s not the exact method but what they were accomplishing was the same.

An exploit is easy to tell. If you can stand in a certain position negating damage from an attack then it’s an exploit. Using a certain two utility skills from a certain class before a certain boss in CoE to trivialize the fight is an exploit. If you can attack from somewhere and can’t be attacked back, it’s an exploit. If you can go outside the map then it’s an exploit.

You seriously can’t tell me that the devs meant for people to stack on berserker and auto/afk attack him?

Anyways, this thread is going in circles and has deviated from it’s original topic. We are likely not going to agree. I dislike exploits, you don’t. It’s the devs fault for poor programming and you have every right to take advantage of it. That’s just the impression that I got. If I’m wrong then I’m sorry. In any case, let’s just let the thread go back to the main topic.

Heralds. In-game mail. Forums.

Yes and no. You can do the achievement but only if you already have the device.

Lord Kuru.3685:

The purpose of the thermal core section (where you are being used as a test subject) was to teach you the mechanics of the dungeon .. and in particular the mechanics of the final boss(es). I thought that was a really good feature of the dungeon since a lot of people just expect to faceroll their way through everything.

Maybe that tutorial wasn’t challenging enough so the mechanics weren’t learned?

They hid in the corner to avoid damage so they technically never did the tutorial.

I personally don’t see the issue over the two days that was dropped considering it was an error. This achievement barely takes any time at all and people should be able to do it in the allotted time window. If they can’t then that’s unfortunate. It’s just an achievement.

There is time for the last part. You have about two days. It doesn’t take a month to click on the bonfire.

Seasonal has nothing to do with it. Temporary content is temporary.

The final achievement is just to click on a bonfire. Takes like 5 seconds.

It uses 4 but inefficiently.

They’re just achievements that do nothing for you. If you care about those points then do you do the pvp daily and monthly too?

No. Karma is so easy to get. All if what you mentioned (1 mil karma, etc) many people have. You do not need to buy anything with gold except for the 100 icy runestones and two recipes.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Ayrilana.1396:

Sometimes things in real life get in the way. It’s unfortunate but happens.

And sometimes it’s bad communication by ArenaNet.

They had dates in patch notes and the guide stickied in these forums.

Sometimes things in real life get in the way. It’s unfortunate but happens.

Exploits are often unintentional by the devs. You chose to take advantage of it. Just think back to the snowflake exploit last Christmas. You act like any mistake in programming that the devs make is acceptable to take advantage of. It’s not. Sometime in the future, with that mindset, you will eventually be banned. I caution others to not follow his mistake.

Dungeon stories should not take more than an hour and a half. If they do then you’re running with a group set up that is well below the norm (i.e. random levels players where the group is just rangers and necros). Explorable a usually take about an hour with the exception of Arah path 4. These are just averages. They are often completed quicker than what I stated.

You’re a day to late. You also needed to go to Hoelbrak to initiate the quest sequence.

You should take damage because you’re at the impact point. The fact that you don’t, and continue to stand there, is an exploit.

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https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/

Do you read patch notes after every update? Did you read the guide in this subforum? I put in a suggestion for the devs to include countdown for all achievements that are available for limited time. This is similar to how they have it for the daily and monthly.

You stack on Alpha since it’s easier to rev players and break the crystal prison. It also stops him from casting dragon tooth which he casts on ranged players. You don’t negate the damage because he doesn’t cast it. The rock attack does more damage the further out you are. Another reason logically melee him.

You’re complete missing what I stated in my previous posts. It’s an exploit if the attack does zero damage when it should be. I don’t see how anyone would think that standing on the location of the stomp and receive no damage as being legit.

Where certain type of proof is accepted is irrelevant. I can state that these other forums accept my word that I can do AC solo in two minutes. It doesn’t mean that it’s true. Videos are widely accepted as proof since they’re more difficult to fake/manipulate.

I don’t think they will. They didn’t do it for the Halloween and Christmas dungeons.

Dynamic events are still difficult to do solo if you don’t have any sustainability. You do not need to kill any mobs unless necessary to get map completion. I normally killed those that were around the shrine and ignored everything else. There was one skill point surrounded by fire elementals which spawned those spectral swords. You can get them to fight each other.

All veterans can be solo’d and everything obtained solo while contested. You have it much easier than those of us who did Orr prior to the nerf.

1) You can still do the secret contact one if you have the device. You can do the final one with the bonfire. I’m not sure if you need to do everything else first or not.

2) No.

The destroyer boss can still attack you. It’s been stated several times that doing something that negates damage while you can still attack is an exploit. Stacking on the berserker negating all damage from his stomps. It is an exploit. It’s no different than standing on the stairs in AC or some of the other exploits in Arah.

The wiki gives a good explanation. Your objectives are on the top right and indicators/markers should be on your map.

It never fails that at least someone misses one of those achievements that are limited due to time. Monthly achievements were a common example since they would end at reset of the last day of the month when people assumed they would go the entire month. A countdown has since been added for daily and monthly achievements.

Since the Flame and Frost living story ended, a handful of people have come to the forums complaining that they received no notice that the other achievements would be unobtainable after 12pm server time May 12th (unless otherwise mentioned). It seems there are still people that wait until the last minute and are shocked when the deadline passes.

I suggest that you extend doing the countdowns like you did for the daily and monthly to all time limited achievements. Maybe this will help with the confusion since not everyone checks the patch notes or visits the forums to see the dates.

I guess all timed achievements will need a countdown like they did for the daily and monthly so those doing them last minute won’t be shocked when time runs out.

I don’t think holding down control worked for these objects. I could be wrong though.

You needed to complete all prior achievements before doing the dungeon to get credit. This was stated in the patch notes and guide that’s stickied.

Because it was extended due to a bug having to get fixed that prevented people from completing the achievement. You can see details in the patch notes.

There was a sticky that included the dates.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/flameandfrost/A-Guide-to-Flame-Frost-Retribution/first#post2018137

I’m for an easy mode for dungeons but they must give out less loot. A dungeon that is relatively 50% easier gives out 50% of the loot for example.

I’ll also add that making an easier dungeon so people can learn the mechanics will need work. People will just faceroll through the entire thing. Notice how people are having issues with the new spider queen in AC? It’s because before you could faceroll through her and not need to dodge or move out of circles. Making dungeons easy will not help the issue.

Scaling them will not help either unless you’re referring to just story mode. Explorable mode is completely different. Story modes are all relatively simple to do along with your personal story as you level.

You can’t skip spider queen anymore unless someone found a glitch to get past it. One I hope does get patched if turns out to be true.

Dungeons are all about learning the mechanics. Once you do them enough, they become pretty easy. The more people that you have that know what they’re doing, the easier the run as well.

I also want to add that glitches/exploits do not count as mechanics. A lot of people used an exploit to avoid damage from the berserker’s stomps. Yes, stacking under him so you take no damage is an exploit. It’s not like it was that difficult to do it the legit way.

Except he was a warrior.

And so was I. Burrows and mounds are the same thing. Considering g that a group of skilled players take longer than 20 seconds to do burrows, I seriously doubt it’s possible to duo them that quickly. I even pointed out how the math proves you wrong. You could have each player take one side of the room except the elementalist’s damage is limited once they use their ice bow. They will not take out the burrows that quickly. I doubt it that you solo’d the burrows that quickly. With the knockdowns and how quickly gravelings spawn, I don’t see it being possible. Maybe before the revamp but not now.

Yes the question was which dungeon was the fastest. It may or may not be AC Path 1. What was being debated was your claim that it was AC by using questionable evidence to support your claim.

EDIT: There are 6 burrows in that room, not 3. Unless for some reason only the one by the door, the one in the NW corner (assuming the entrance is south), and the SE corner need to be destroyed then no.

Anything can happen in four hours. Not everyone can play for that long straight. That path generally shouldn’t take more than an hour to hour and a half so he likely didn’t plan to do it that long.

Players are free to leave groups whenever they want. Leaving abruptly is rude, but not against the rules.

There’s a difference between tactics and well…

Pictures are incredibly easy to manipulate. Someone with basic photoshop skills can give themselves whatever time they want.

As far as the mounds go, there are six that you have to destroy. Saying you can do it in 20 seconds means you destroy them in about 3 seconds. This completely ignores travel time to each mound as well as protecting Hodges.

There’s no way you could do the burrow event in 20 seconds unless you used a teleport hack. Pictures, when it comes to speed runs, do not count.

Tip: Don’t wait until the last minute to do things.

• Map completion for WvW yields WvW items.

• World completion yields two items for your legendary. The legendaries require 500 of another item which can be obtained only in WvW.

Unless you have all of the components for your legendary waiting, what’s the rush?

The deadlines were not that difficult to meet. With the exception of the dungeon that was 2 weeks, you had at least a month to do all of the content. You had even more time for content that came out months ago.

I don’t agree the reasoning the “well I just didn’t have enough time because I was busy” reasoning. Let’s say that the dungeon took two hours and the other content took two hours combined. That’s four hours of content over the past several months! Surely that’s easily doable.