I think Scrapper is in an AMAZING place considering it hasnt had a BWE. once we get our hands on it with some feedback…woooooo
Looking at that how often, devs looking at engineer feedback, and how long it takes them to fix things then I wouldn’t be so hyped about it.
Keep in mind that scrapper will be available only during 1 beta weekend (unless they will do 4th BW), and will be sharing it time with Druid (this same team is working on both specialisations, or at least is coordinated by this same guy).
necro has been shunned far harder and worse than the engi can dare claim, and BWE did wonders for reaper, so I have faith
this wouldnt be an issue if enemies actually corrupted and ripped boons
Watching the stream today, the Engi is def up there with warrior and guardian in terms of tankiness now. Then I remembered…. wasnt engi supposed to be the 3rd heavy class? at the end the moved it to medium? or am I crazy
I think Scrapper is in an AMAZING place considering it hasnt had a BWE. once we get our hands on it with some feedback…woooooo
after watching the reveal, please delete this thread.
This is a beta testing for dragonhunter thread. Please keep non related spirit weapon shield fixed in their own topics.
viable spirit weapons would make dragonhunter very powerful in pvp/wvw. knock back from range with the thread of minions
I’m absolutely certain that a warrior running scholar runes using strength/arms/discipline instead of tactics and with burst mastery (assuming quickness is outsourced) would decimate power guardian in personal DPS.
Anyways, it’s kinda weird to make personal DPS rankings because there are so many things to take into consideration. DPS in a solo or group setting? Against something basic like a test golem, or what?
I take your words seriously, but im pretty positive guard will out dps warrior in most situations, but you may know better than I
everything I find is from 2014 or older smh. just trying to talk to some guildies about this… anyone have the current/most current list?
I know what it was before june 23rd…. anyone have or a link to an updated dps tier list? ty
There was a comment a few weeks back, about future buffs to the scepter and axe? This is something some of us are really still wondering about, as well… those are our “ranged” options. While I love literally everything thats happened to the Necro since June 23rd, I just cant help but wonder what direction youre thinking of taking these weapons.
Thanks bud
if you want to play P/P play engi. ITs actually great, unlike thief, its never been good… ever
I dont understand why fast hands isnt baseline honestly. Before the J23rd patch I Didnt are, but seeing the immense amount of QoL changes Mesmer got, and on to of that the power of the chronomancer, I just… I Dont get it
Sup kaaaaaaarl! I like the direction youre taking, and heres the deal.
We all know traps are cool in theory, but dont work that well in actuality. We have a lot of ground based abilities in this game that work well… Marks, Glyphs, SYMBOLS…. traps arent one of them. However, they CAN work; the entire idea of “trap” needs to be reworked though. Forget the entire Dragonhunter “lore” of traps, I get that its supposed to be a longbow and trap kinda like dragonheart lol but lets forget that. Youre not catching any dragon with these traps, and youre not catching them with our slow moving selves, its just not happening.
If youre going to keep traps how they are now, then so be it. Every trap, while giving condi/damage to the enemy, should also give a boon to the guardian, or to the party/allies close to where the trap went off. So if I drop a trap and you walk into it, I should get 3-4 seconds of protection and such. some thing along those lines.
Now what REALLY should be done, is traps should trigger symbols. Its really not that big a change at all, but it would change a lot of things. Our dps would go up tremendously. we need 25% movement speed in dragonhunter, we are friggen hunters, chronomancer even got it and theyre absolutely perfect.
We need more ways to get Aegis. Before playing Revanent, I didnt think so, but now I do. They can do a lot of what Guard can do but better and faster. All we have on them is reflect and Aegis, and we are good in the reflect department.
Ground targetting is a must.
Overall, DH is kinda “boring” but if we get the appropriate boost for dps/active defense then it can be completely viable with our current builds. as it stands now, id like to have the option to use the longbow, but dont need anything from the DH traitline
dueling has nothing to do with pvp, because pvp isnt built around 1v1, its built around team fights. If dueling meant ANYTHING pvp wise, Ranger would have been in the meta for a long time.
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these changes are GREAT. I still think we may need a minor buff to mace/sword since it still seems we need to use Sinister/rabid/rampager to get the real benefit of zerker, but man, this looks really really good.
Also, With GS being the one weapon with no condi, it seems it could be possible to take berserker and not go condi. Actually now that I think about it, Axe has no burning also… GS Axe/x can still be totally viable in full Zerker gear…. hmmmmm
it does need nerf but this is too much. heat sync with chronomancers quickness is ridiculous though
Please stop asking for warrior improvements. The more we ask the more we get nerfed like banner and warhorn.
Warrior keeps on getting nerfed because of the same overused reason: high HP and high armor. Warrior STANCES are next because many are cornered to them for survival.
This is the dont talk because people are going to tell you to shut up kind of argument. lol please stop
How do i go about stacking might with longbow? I didn’t find any traits for that
strength sigil. at the start of a fight use your signet for full adrenaline, F1, drop banner, drop banner,
We need the same treatment that Reaper got… after the first beta, Robert Gee went into the Necro forum and broke down his observations on Reaper performance and his planned modifications.
this is exactly what im talking about, thank you
What is this armor you speak of
Its actually my fav ranged weapon. Ranger LB prob does more single target damage, and mesmer GS is prob better overall for pvp, but other than that, its great
a single red post
warriors are forced to take stances and fast hands, and fast hands is basically mandatory for berserker due to the pathetic CD and uptime. Rage skills arent even an option, even though they suck anyway, and we lose not 1 but 2 traitlines to use berserker. please.
Guardians are forced to take Valor for extra sustain along with either shouts for defensive builds or meditations for offensive builds. Better take Virtues too if you want your entire class mechanic to be anything more than borderline useless, especially with those cooldowns. What’s that, want Dragonhunter too? Guess that limits your options, doesn’t (it) (geez this censor is ridiculous)? Especially since the Dragonhunter traitline is full of garbage anyway. At least Berserker traits look like they’ll be worth taking, even if you’re giving up something else for them. Not to mention that all we’re getting is a hardly functioning longbow and traps that can’t possibly be any better than rage skills that can actually be used on demand.
Feel free to think what you want, but I can guarantee you that a good portion of Guardian players here would swap the elite spec they’re getting in a heartbeat. Berserker has far more potential than Dragonhunter ever will.
I 100000 agree with this. I think Berserker has amazing potential, but I said as of right now, its awful
warriors are forced to take stances and fast hands, and fast hands is basically mandatory for berserker due to the pathetic CD and uptime. Rage skills arent even an option, even though they suck anyway, and we lose not 1 but 2 traitlines to use berserker. please.
people are upset for 2 main reasons.
The elite spec is crap
Most of the updated skills DIDN’T make it into this test
Mechanics we have been asking for years miraculously make it into other elite specs, such as the revi shieldSo really, i would say we have a VERY good reason to be upset
Revenant support makes me cringe everytime I look at it, it’s just way better than Guardian and there’s a good chance we might get replaced by Rev for Fractals and some Dungeons when HoT comes out, DH is just bad, traps are useless in all game modes, Longbow skills aren’t good enough to pressure somebody in PvP like Ranger and does not have good DPS compared to Scepter, and Virtues are downgraded when you switch to it…
Also, Shield and Torch skills better on Berserker and Herald…
Berserker is currently worse than DH. watch your tongue
You can’t be serious.
yea im serious.
DH is bad because it has no synergy etc, but if you drop a traitline and use DH, you atleast still have the guardian greatness. You gain a bow, and traps, yippie. They arent that good, at all, but you dont become worthless.
Taking Berserker on Warrior, right now, makes you worthless. No matter what traitline you drop, youre losing damage/utlity/healing/defense/movement speed. It literally has no place anywhere. The condi on it is so weak its almost cry worthy. 15 second up time on a 15s cd… lol. It ONLY supports hybrid builts (which I approve of btw) and it doesnt even do it
Berserker sure is worthless… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St40f1IFawg
oh wow look, you found a video of a guy bursting a zerker necro… WOW. That means its good? A DH can kill a zerker necro just as fast or faster. Doesnt mean its good.
stop, just stop.
You stop, you have better torch skills, much more mobility, true condi builds, while we have nothing good or fun to play when picking DH…
bring this to the warrior forum and youll come running back
like elite trait changes and updates and all that good stuff from feedback?
people are upset for 2 main reasons.
The elite spec is crap
Most of the updated skills DIDN’T make it into this test
Mechanics we have been asking for years miraculously make it into other elite specs, such as the revi shieldSo really, i would say we have a VERY good reason to be upset
Revenant support makes me cringe everytime I look at it, it’s just way better than Guardian and there’s a good chance we might get replaced by Rev for Fractals and some Dungeons when HoT comes out, DH is just bad, traps are useless in all game modes, Longbow skills aren’t good enough to pressure somebody in PvP like Ranger and does not have good DPS compared to Scepter, and Virtues are downgraded when you switch to it…
Also, Shield and Torch skills better on Berserker and Herald…
Berserker is currently worse than DH. watch your tongue
You can’t be serious.
yea im serious.
DH is bad because it has no synergy etc, but if you drop a traitline and use DH, you atleast still have the guardian greatness. You gain a bow, and traps, yippie. They arent that good, at all, but you dont become worthless.
Taking Berserker on Warrior, right now, makes you worthless. No matter what traitline you drop, youre losing damage/utlity/healing/defense/movement speed. It literally has no place anywhere. The condi on it is so weak its almost cry worthy. 15 second up time on a 15s cd… lol. It ONLY supports hybrid builts (which I approve of btw) and it doesnt even do it
Berserker sure is worthless… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St40f1IFawg
oh wow look, you found a video of a guy bursting a zerker necro… WOW. That means its good? A DH can kill a zerker necro just as fast or faster. Doesnt mean its good.
stop, just stop.
last BWE it was the following friday. Does that mean we’ll hear something tmrw?
great video. I never found a warrior I couldnt mangle on my necro but I sure wouldnt want to run into you
I absolutely hated the Revanent. You can check my post history and see how hard a time I gave Roy. I gave it another shot with Herald and wooooooo I love it now. It all came together perfectly, thank you
im actually one of the warrior players that doesnt believe fast hands needs to be baseline. However, after playing Berserker…. IT MUST be baseline. 15s cd, and its about “speed” and bursting, yet we need to take that one trait to make it even remotely come close to working as intended
zelda games are very small. no.
I don’t see enough value in the majority of the elite specializations for PvE. I was originally going to spec my mesmer into chronomancer, but it seems to have been nerfed to the point where my current base build is better (dom/duel/insp). I’m definitely not changing my guardian into a dragon hunter…range spam is just bad for group/instanced PvE. I have two professions that I don’t really have a choice but to do the elite specs….necromancer and engineer. I prefer melee and their current melee options are terribad. My necro and engi are just sitting on the shelf at 80, fully geared, waiting on the expansion. I’m still disappointed in the state of the reaper, but at least its better than the current option. I have no idea if the alleged melee engi elite spec will be decent as they have yet to do a reveal…much less let it get any bwe time. I’ve got an open character slot waiting on the revenant…pretty much guaranteed to spec into the glint elite along with shiro and an undetermined other.
nerfed?
chrono can do high damage, maintain 12 stacks of might, protection, and aoe 30 second quickness….
when base mesmer can come close to chrono let me know
people are upset for 2 main reasons.
The elite spec is crap
Most of the updated skills DIDN’T make it into this test
Mechanics we have been asking for years miraculously make it into other elite specs, such as the revi shieldSo really, i would say we have a VERY good reason to be upset
Revenant support makes me cringe everytime I look at it, it’s just way better than Guardian and there’s a good chance we might get replaced by Rev for Fractals and some Dungeons when HoT comes out, DH is just bad, traps are useless in all game modes, Longbow skills aren’t good enough to pressure somebody in PvP like Ranger and does not have good DPS compared to Scepter, and Virtues are downgraded when you switch to it…
Also, Shield and Torch skills better on Berserker and Herald…
Berserker is currently worse than DH. watch your tongue
You can’t be serious.
yea im serious.
DH is bad because it has no synergy etc, but if you drop a traitline and use DH, you atleast still have the guardian greatness. You gain a bow, and traps, yippie. They arent that good, at all, but you dont become worthless.
Taking Berserker on Warrior, right now, makes you worthless. No matter what traitline you drop, youre losing damage/utlity/healing/defense/movement speed. It literally has no place anywhere. The condi on it is so weak its almost cry worthy. 15 second up time on a 15s cd… lol. It ONLY supports hybrid builts (which I approve of btw) and it doesnt even do it
The only thing I would change is if the enemy moved out of a radius the attack would stop, otherwise this skill is fine the way it is.
Playing against it I didn’t have problems after I learned how to fight it. The skill loses its attack power dramatically when even one other person is nearby. Rangers, Mesmers and partly Necromancers will almost always have an ally to split the damage.
This skill stops when you go into stealth, unlike other channeled projectiles from Ranger longbow, or warrior killshot.
Because this skill teleports to the target at the end can be used to your advantage. You can target the Revenant, evade/teleport/run back to teammates, cc and kill. Even if they manage to get away they will still be targeted. Any bursty Revenant trying to capitalize on the damage potential of UA will not survive combined team pressure, because they can’t drop target status like a Thief or Mesmer.
Lastly, if a UA focused Revenant uses Glint/Shiro (which I feel will be used for this) they will be utterly hard countered by conditions as there is no way to remove them.
I agree with this, especially the last part. I feel like although Rev can be built to handle conditions quite well, the builds that arent… are well, doomed
Now it’s AA that is op? I’ve heard it all. UA is op, hammer is op, glint heal is op, rev condi is op, now sword aa is op. Pvpers just want the class gutted at this point. AA was buffed because last beta it was mediocre. It does not need a nerf. The class is in a good place for pve. There are ways to address these issues without ruining the class.
I never said AA was op. Its not, though if there IS a damage problem , its not UA, its AA. I have yet to see a Rev that can do any kind of damage to a MM necro, so I know for a fact theres nothing OP about the Rev. I just know that the AA being so strong does cause problems when there is an ability that basically removes dodges.
This is the build I ran in pvp:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/external?l=http%3A%2F%2Fgw2skills.net%2Feditor%2F%3FvJAQNAsfTnMdA1kitkCmkCElilqATpHE7iBILuGQA4t0uantA-TpBHwAW2fAwDAQwhAIZZgAHBgBnAAAI annihilated people. If you think you need stances or were trying to run sword torch GS or some nonsense it does not surprise me if you fail. This spec is awesome and the spiritual successor to the almight Shoutbow.
When I get to my computer I’m gonna write my in depth feedback. In short Berserker is awesome and new and does in involve some paradigm shift on your part. If it is uncomfortable for you, good. There is a learning curve with elite specializations that people will see.
I ran something similar to this and had fun. Its nowhere near as good as you say it is, but its exactly what I wanted to run, it just wasnt as powerful as I thought it would be. I felt like a bootleg guardian
im going to say it again.
UA really isnt the problem. While the skill is tremendously annoying, theres more annoying things out there. It isnt OP, its just good. the PROBLEM is the ReV AA is too strong. After you get hit by, or evade UA, you have to deal with the AA instantly and that is a serious issue. Burning 2 dodges from UA and then eating that AA is horrid. I dont think either is OP at all, but if you have to change some thing, its the AA damage
I just cant shake the feeling that the berserker is similar to the diablo 3 barbarian, but ineffective. I know im prob crazy, but I just cant help it.
that is all
This is a L2P issue really.
Most people will rather have something nerfed than actually L2P and level up their game, do a research about countering and so on. Like actually put an effort into it.
If you guys keep saying it is a L2P issue, then pls TELL us how to counter it. You can only interrupt it before the attack began, because after you are dodging each cc an enemy is throwing against you. If you blind the skill before it gets used, just 1 of the 7 hits will fail, the other 6 will hit you. You can’t use AoE damage like against a backstab thief, because you are evading the whole time.
If there is any real counter (and it isn’t a counter to use a invuln skill with 60s cd against a skill with 10s cd), please tell us! Block does work but has mostly much larger cd as UA too. Some professions don’t have any blocks (just like necromancer for example).
You cant have a counter for each and every single UA. Just like you cant have one for each and every single 100b/rapid fire. That would be unfair
However
Ranger:Gs block, double evade
Guardian: blind,aegis,ring of wardin, double evade
Warrior: shield block, double evade
Thief: sb evade, tripple evade (daredevil), staff evade, stealth, double evade
Engineer: shield block, turrets to divide dmg, double evade
Mesmer: stealth, illusions to reduce dmg, double evade
Elementalist: shock aura on demand, double evade, perma 50% protecction(tempest)
Necromancer: double evade, enter death(reaper) shroud, minions to reduce dmg
There you go short cd methods for each class, if you dont have one on those in your build, then like I say, you cant expect to have a counter for everything in any build.
Cheers
this is actually one of the worst responses ive ever seen. I dont think UA is is OP, but after reading this, I kinda do. You have to do ALL Of that you avoid one attack with a 3 sec evade on a 10s cd and have to deal with one of, if not the, highest AA after?
I wouldnt say its broken, but it does need a longer CD. I dont think its damage should change, but it def needs a longer CD
actually I agree with that. With berserker, I Want to lose the F1 mechanic. I didnt think that before, but sitting here… yea, as long as they make some baseline berserker fixes, yea, I Agree.
I Really didnt like the Rev until Herald. Something about the Herald just made it click for me but I didnt know why. The swords… the hammer… the hammer… the swords… the aura…
the aura
BAM! All the sudden I felt like a diablo 2 paladin and THATS exactly what ive wanted. I swear its the diablo paladin in GW2.
This post will self destruct
man my guildie was complaining about it too but I thought he was the only one. I think the auras should be a greenish blue
@cursE,
What’s the reason for saying every counter people are giving you for this skill is useless?
What about rapid fire on ranger? Would you say dodging rapid fire isn’t a counter? Or blocking it? Or moving behind the ranger? Or reflecting it? Rapid fire, unlike UA, actually tracks targets through stealth. If blocks, evades, and invulns aren’t viable choices to counter something, then what the kitten is? On this logic alone, there’s no counter for anything in PvP.
rapid fire is somethingf people have always complained about, except with rapid fire, once it ends, thats that. with UA, the AA on Rev is so strong, its annoying. this is peoples complaint, its a lose lose. personally I dont mind, ive crushed every rev on a minion mancer so far, but I see why people are complaining
In SPvP i been countered by Stealth, dodge, block, Invulnerable and terrain.
this doesnt need nerf. If it does, Anet has to add burst damage to something else because right now they have none other.
after 2 dodges it still hits you twice, and then you get auto attacked, which is where the real damage comes from
bleeds need a 5% buff. thats about it
I dont know if I agree with any of this, but I did not like the Rev at all until Herald. I cant play Rev without it. That doesnt mean it NEEDs it though, but I personally wont use it without it at all.
I think due to the fact that it has an evade now, it needs either a longer CD or a slight damage reduction. I dont think its OP, but its very, very strong