Guild Wars 2

Dear Anet:

Nerf it.

Sincerely,

A masochist

Nilkemia.8507:

The Asuran Experimental Weapon from the weapon rack in Quandry Scratch (not “near” it like the description claims).

But..but if you take it literally-

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/b7/Quandry_Scratch_map.jpg

It’s literally ‘near’ “Quandry Scratch”

Also if the quest requires you to not have a full heart just to get it, then that is a bug and should be fixed.

Nilkemia.8507:

Everything wrong with the Predator I : Experimental collection.

Warning : Spoilers and opinions/complaints. Level of justification may vary.

Scarlet’s prototype mechanism. Just, why did they feel the need to hide it from the Ctrl search? Did they think that was clever? Well they’re wrong, it was a cheap and annoying way to try hiding it amongst the junk. Thankfully it at least looked similar to its appearance on the icon, otherwise I’d have spent longer combing the room with my cursor to find it.

You’re angry because you couldn’t cheat on a scavenger hunt for a legendary item?
?????

Kicast.1459:

4) Dragon hunter is in poor spot (not so surprisingly for me)

Oh my god this is getting put it my signature

this is AMAZING.

frednought.1238:

I’m actually having loads of fun playing my warrior, I just wish my Gunflames would hit more often.

Asking for an attack that can hit for a glass spec’s entire hp bar to be unevadable while Warriors have a signet that makes their attacks unblockable:

Get out.

Odokuro.5049:

Made him a Charr, named Garron Glaiveclaws, liking it a bunch, just need a Pre-Berserker Elite Spec Build, to use until I have it 100% unlocked, any advice on that?

Strength, defense, discipline, full melee GS/ Axe/Shield with forceful greatsword.

Cleave ALL the things!

I dont think that, on the same day leagues open up, the balance team would be troll enough to say “LOL BALANCECHANGE”.

But that’s just me

swinsk.6410:

I’ve been [THE GAME THAT SHAN’T BE NAMED]

Combat is amazing… Wish gw2 was more like it combat wise

gasps

You pretty much have to go Charr for warriors, bro; if you’re even the slightest bit non-generic.

Charr = Warrior/Engie / Guardian /Rev

Norn = Ranger / Warrior / Guardian

Asura = Engie/ Thief / Mesmer

Human = Anything (But Warrior because if you pick Warrior you’re automatically Logan tier)

Sylvari = Elementalist / Ranger

Rev is class-neutral.

EDIT: [Just realized how generic playing a charr warrior actually is, having a crisis]

Gray.9041:

moje.1863:

Hm, for spvp.. Does it even matter? The thief-“meta” says we shouldn’t face enemies anyway = no need for dodges… :>

we need the evades to get away from the fights we’re not supposed to fight…

Thieves arent supposed to -get away-, havent you read any fanfic ever?

Knockdown + Basi + fist flurry on a power build with impact sigils on Staff?

Jesus Christ.

But I didn’t say anything.

Jerreh.9142:

Basicly, you would cast shortbow 5 at your feet and right after it has finished channeling, while the arrow is still in the air, you hit dodge. This will make you dodge without moving any direction, allowing you to get any damage or post-dodge bonus without changing your position.

I nailed it with every dodge, but it is quite hard to pull of every time. Might be worth learning since a complaint about DareDevil was that you couldn’t in fact dodge in place.

Pretty sure it’s also not really intentional. But maybe if its explored enough it could see some use?

you can also do this with less initiative by using SB3 and the action camera.

What am I saying, I’m an idiot

For some reason I read that, thought “hurr he must be talking about making SR relevant” and spouted nonsense.

My bad. this is for bound. you’re right.

Um?!?!

/15ohmykittenwhat

Hikigaya.9621:

wait, then why hasn’t anyone utilized tripwire on thief, is a knock down on thief not good o_O

Welcome to the trap club.

It’s pretty good, yes.

If you want a kick, run trapper runes for free backstab and improv for free resets. might on trap/vuln on trap makes knockdown cd sync with every steal on trickery trait.

Just dont spam it. I swear to you a kitten one-month-old warrior/ranger/[insert class here that is also noob bait kek] who doesnt know his traits is going to start running around the pvp forums demanding perma-kd-thieves be berfed.

Then thieves guild will be next.

There is literally no way to -make- Arena net fix warriors and thieves, as there is no way to both provide metric data showing that they need a fix -and- imply with that same data that the game will be forever changed for the worse if they don’t do anything about it. People don’t just stop playing because of this, they just reroll to the stronger classes, and that metric data can easily be seen as overwhelming satisfaction with those classes as opposed to greater dissatisfaction with the others.

And the dev team doesn’t speak on the forums because every other post is either aggressively belittling them or the job they do, possibly.

So. Yeah. Whatever.

Quit and do nothing or stay and do nothing. Kinda bullkitten that the only two classes I am interested in have been reduced to fodder by people that can’t play, but the wheel turns. It’s astounding that classes are either useless or guarantee free kills with Arenanet, but I frankly have no interest in determining how much of that is player bias anymore.

Agreed.

Thief needs more nerfs, it can still kill afk players.

Kaliny.8265:

You could compare the fact that if thiefs are taken off SR you will instantly waste a 60 seconds CD… Idk if gyro stealth resets if you manage to do the same with a Eng.

This is what I’m talking about. I didn’t feel I’d need to specify that forcing a squishy class to remain in a static field for a set duration solely to gain the major benefit of that field (because blasting your field is situational use at best.) is worse than a mobile field that reapplies stealth as long as it is active, on a 20 second CD (because when gyro is destroyed it can be popped again in 20 seconds.)

With reveal being prevalent in addition to the less important knockbacks that could also ruin SR, its a bit irritating to see an option that is situationally more useful supporting a tankier class, I’ll be blunt.

I’m not saying that the engineer’s toy is bad, frankly its fun to fight, has a reasonable counter and has its uses, but with that being the case, why is our refuge so niche in comparison?

let’s also ignore that theres a detection pulse on sneak gyro

Sure, you can -see- the gyro if its being used as an opener, but the element of surprise is still carried if the engie is transporting friends.

EDIT: Was tired, have no idea how I got -four seconds MAX out of SR- in OP.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sneak_Gyro

portable stealth for 30 seconds on a 20 second cooldown

vs

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadow_Refuge

Stealth for four ten seconds on a 60 second cooldown -unless- revealed,knockbacked,ported,taunted,feared, at which point skill has done nothing useful.

But I’m not salty.

Yours truly,

whatever.

Casual.9260:

-is having a blast-

lel

They’re nerfing bank thieves.

Obviously.

Note the DD/Sig of Shadows/Swiftness buff combo.

This thread is gold

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Funny how readers often mistaken the intention of the OP.

Just to be clear, the OP wants all these “Thief Counters” to be nerfed illustrating how unbalance these anti-Thief skills currently are.

I agree on most, but not all, especially about the 2 point strat — I’ve seen this too many times. When a team refused to rotate, thus 2 point strat, the Thief’s mobility becomes useless since there will be nothing to decap.

Hogwash

We all know thief counters will never be nerfed, ever

Most of us are bitterly sarcastic and spiteful because, instead of our balance team defending the playstyle and mechanics of the Thief class against the players who can’t tell the difference between a rock and an apple, they sided with them and endorsed their complaints instead, to the point that we can’t even enjoy pve content.

But yeah, don’t feel bad for us now; cause people sure as hell didn’t feel bad about gutting us when we could actually win fights by using a couple of brain cells.

Enjoy Dragonhunter btw

[/SOBITTER]

Mfw a player comes to the thief forums post HoT like ‘countering thief’ requires strategy, foresight, or anything outside of general rotation

lmfao like, even warriors counter us with signet of might gunflame

Yknow what

I dont have a problem with teeves banding together

I’ll stop by the guild hall and see what I can do to help you out.

No.

As was said above, we cant benefit from Alacrity without suffering from a slowdown condi too, and the only way we can benefit from Alacrity is if a mesmer specifically casts it on us.

meanwhile there are sigils, runes, and classes that have access to chill.

This would make us worse.

An OP class is a class that, in most general combat situations, outperforms the other classes by a reasonable margin.

So far I do not think we have classes like that.
we have the majority of classes that do well across the board, and then a couple that just dont do much of anything.

This confirms that even warriors now hard counter thieves.

wp anet

The trait and Signet only refill 2/3s of endurance when DD is traited. Endurance should be buffed to 150 endurance gained to compensate for DD’s Third dodge?

Buff pls anet

harkem.2051:

This whole thread is like a feminist argument.

Attaches derail-guard to thread

swinsk.6410:

It’s just, why play thief who has nothing new mechanic wise when I could be playing another class that has a ton of cool new stuff.

-Objective thought-

This may be why devs aren’t buffing the class.

It genuinely needs help, but some people are just jealous of the other classes getting flashy upgrades . It would be irresponsible to buff a class’s damage output or sustain when the majority of complaints about it in truth stem from “Its less cool than X”.

No ranger alive would let a thief with 11k HP and zerker exist.

He chose being useful over struggling to be not a liability.

He’s playing the game right.

Harvey.7820:

Click bait title

Haha!

Not even close!

with absolute certainty that Axe/Shield GS with full focus on DPS using Str/Discipline/Defense is probably the most fun anyone is going to have on this game.

needs buffs, but not as miserable as Teef.

thunderfall.8095:

Well, with all the nerfs to dagger, a knife in a tomato is quite pointless…

BADUMTSS

chuckles internally

Axe shield/ Greatsword, fast hands, Zerker, ALL THE DPS

sincerely

-A fullzerk warrior

Kaliny.8265:

The Topic is not against Rev actualy.

I play Rev also (but main thief), and while looking at their forum noticed this guy claims, first I laugh hard at it, then after that I starting thinking if people will always be like this regardless of class viability or “overpowerness”.

But I shared with you guys most for the Irony on it, for the lols.

I mean, one could say some Rev skills are bad, or need works, one could also point lots of examples on game to try to make the first claim a valid one.

But the fact he pointed our class, the class that most suffer from being nerfed, with an very situational feature that most DD don’t even know we have, the ones who do also know is not a reliable reflect, won’t you think this is Ironic? xD

Idk if it explained why I did this Topic, is more than a Attack on Rev forum. Its food for though while also beeing a joke. (As I see it)

Yes, rev is good, but let’s not go bombarding other class forums like everyone does to us.

Cogbyrn.7283:

And you can’t tell me you believe that GW2 is designed as a game with no roles. That marketing ploy was specifically targeting Tank/Healer/DPS roles in traditional MMOs. Any game mode, especially PvP, is going to develop niches that require certain attributes to succeed. You want to hold points, so you put someone tanky on the point to survive. Bunkers are born. You need to be able to kill bunkers, so theoretically, Assassins (or whatever you want to call them) are born. You probably need to rotate and support fights effectively, so Roamers are born. Some classes can potentially fill multiple roles to varying degrees, so you get middle-grounders such as Bruisers who can absorb damage but still fight without being impotent. Since each class is unique, a distribution is going to develop.

I was addressing the trinity archetype in my comment about roles, but I lacked explanation on the following.

As it stands now, thief does not have the capabilities to fill any role -but- the +1 /backcap that they fill now, because bruiser specs are nonexistent, tank specs are nonexistent, and assassin specs lack the sustain to deal with the above two when applied to thief. we’re 100% roamer and because of that thieves can only combat efficiently when there are additional players.

This is essentially the problem we need rectified. We don’t have the baseline values required to build in a way that allows us to be combative in the current meta on our own.

Kaliny.8265:

It is amazing as there are realy a few things that rev can’t do that could be used as examples…

But the fact he used DD reflect on AA almost makes me thing he is some thief trolling on Rev forum.

One guy isnt worth a whole topic.

thunderfall.8095:

Well its not 100% til i ask
teddy rossyvelts ghost

He plays Mesmer, he’ll just say we need nerfs

Kaliny.8265:

Just talked to my cat about it and he confirmed this info as legit.

Second source confirmed

Just gotta ask Zaftro-5 with my tinfoil hat and we’ve got ourselves an established fact

not that it wasnt 100% confirmed as soon as I said it because yknow, things.

Cogbyrn.7283:

-snip-

You’re missing the point.

Right now, Thieves cannot fight without adds. It isn’t fair to them to insist that because they have the option to traverse obstacles if they take a specific weapon, they should not be allowed to be a capable opponent for decapping a contested point or even defending a pre-owned one. That’s like a teacher saying that because a student can finish a quiz quickly, he has to get a set amount wrong.

You don’t punish a class’s fighting potential in a game where there are supposedly no roles by stuffing them into a role. I don’t know how the game would change if thieves could actually contest points, but it certainly isn’t entertaining or engaging for the people that play thief that are looking for action.

Thieves should have the potential to win fights against skilled players, baseline, in 1v1. being able to fight should not be a privilege that automatically is stripped if you can move quickly, at the cost of all dps, mind you. If you have a specific weapon, mind you further.

Maybe some talented players will be able to take that option of 1v1 potential and turn into complete monsters at the game, but if that skill level is reached then monstrosity is deserved, for any class. And this is 1v1 we’re talking about. Send two people to a point and the problem is resolved.

brannigan.9831:

ehtom.5047:

L2P, Dodge or Guess where this invisible attack is

Agree that your class is OP or you are a moron

At some point we’re going to have to start posting documented videos to prove our cases, because these arguments are tired and worn-out.

The devs are quiet and thief is horrible because there’s a large-scale experiment going on where they buff classes with the same mechanics that players complained about thief having to see if these players still find it unfair once they are on the dealing end.

100% confirmed.

Timston.1976:

By Spiro hunter you mean spirit ranger right?

uh huh.

ehtom.5047:

dodge and guess

Didn’t save thieves, why should it save you?

I wont even begin to ask how you think guessing whether a certain patch of normal-looking ground will instakill you or not if you walk on it is strategic or a mark of skillful counterplay in any way.

PlayerSkillIssue.9410:

I go mid
I see spiro hunter
me go him
it starts disappears
i keep running
BOOM CHARIZARD
i dodge NO WORK
i block NO WORK
I now downstate

I play guild wars not peekaboo
plz nerf

I thought about making a joke, but then I concluded my efforts would be wasted.

Vague Memory.2817:

For the record the screen shot was taken yesterday, about 10min before I posted it so this is not from beta or any other period.

understandable, but 20k means pure glass warrior.

reflect it to instakill?