Reapers are balanced
How dare you use that word in the PvP forum!
I- I’m sorry!
I didn’t know!
All evades cost at least 4 initiative for .5 seconds of evasion, 4 initiative takes 4 seconds to regen, skill 2,3,4 and 5 all cost that same resource and Thieves don’t have the godly sword auto attacks of Revenant who also gets more evades per second regen with Shiro.
I know everyone is being sarcastic, but thief sword auto’s is something that desperately needs to be addressed. The aftercast is horrible.
I think my sarcasm tank is about used up, where I’m fairly certain Azure’s is bottomless. I’ll go ahead and throw in the towel.
If Sword’s auto is really that bad, then I’d also like to see it fixed for Thieves. Also, it’s difficult to argue as much against Stealth in the context of sPvP because of the objective mechanics. I’ve never liked how it was implemented in this game, but I don’t think it’s all that bad for sPvP. I also think that if a Thief drops a big red circle next to you that they have to stand in, they should be punished hard for that level of hubris, not given an extra 50% damage reduction.
I will accept victory in this duel of wits for now (I guess? Is it wit? What is this-)
Sword auto is terrible. It’s warrior-sword-slow on a class made of glass.
I also dont see “red circle” as hubris. 99% (some exaggeration included) of the time, when a thief drops SR its because his utilities are in a position that he will die if he stays exposed.
Not a “come challenge me, I dare you.” Hell, I’d love to be able to put SR three miles away so I dont get illusionary waved, because more often than not I’m not fighting against a wall because mobility.
I’d even go a step further and say I’d give up stealth for more than three seconds altogether if I could. But, seeing as how thieves are glass, they get forced to give up dps and sit in invisibility circles instead of actually fighting, which only happens to kitten off the opponents too.
It also doesnt help that the sudden prevalence of reveal now makes it harder for us to stay stealthed, which is more or less just added pressure for using a mechanic that is the only means of staying alive.
I’d love to not have SR on my utility bar and Shadow Arts not slotted without sweating profusely
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I love how the title of this is “I’m never one to complain”
and then the first post is a complaint.
DH is balanced. a trap is a trap because it is a trap. You just need to learn to dodge untelegraphed attacks.
Like mesmer stealthbombs.
or backstabs.
;)
Excuse you, my heart belongs to Dhuum.
Reapers are balanced
Zerker.
Because why not go full glass if you are glass.
No need to read anything other then first post.
There are 2 possible options
1: you must be a total noob who just began to play, or a pve brainless carebear
2: you are a troll who tries to frameNot agreeing with OP that Thief is op?
Must be a thief.
Stop defending it because you don’t want it to be nerfed.
i’m a necro/rev/ranger
an guess what. thief isn’t OP.
the only time thief can kill you easily is if you are in full berserker.
add soem valkyr and soldier gear to your build. and theif’s dmg to you drops off massively.
my necro can literally ignore a thief that attacks me. soldier/valkyr build for necro with full vamperic build.
my revenant has more hp and evasion. and can massacre the thief in a head to head brawl. unless thief is running condition build, it will lose.
my rev is berserker/soldier buildmy ranger literally laughs as my pet makes their stealth WORTHLESS and my vines, traps, and longbow lays WASTE to the theif.
my ranger is berserker/valkyr buildi focus on dmg, with toughness. sure i sacrifice a bit of offense. but considering it makes it so theif can’t hurt me at all. its easily worth it.
learn to play. otherwise the first time u fight a fear necro, or a condition mesmer, or a GS/rifle warrior. you gonna be crying again.
(seriously. fear necro will fear you off cliffs. condition mesmers are JUST A PAIN TO FIGHT. and GS/rifle warrior. you lose hp fast)so stop using berserker. and stop acting like a 6 year old.
This is probably the best day I have ever had on these forums.
Thief is op though, stealth > any skill anyone can ever use.
It doesnt even matter that they can’t fight bunkers, they’re only meant to decap anyway. Developers said so.
If raids are balanced around ascended gear (meaning that %5 extra performance over exotic might make a difference), and if combat boosts are allowed in said raids (like Strength/Armor), then yes it will be a P2W scenario.
(this has nothing to do with PvP p2w tho)
Ascended you can’t even buy directly.
Combat boosts like food?
?????
All evades cost at least 4 initiative for .5 seconds of evasion, 4 initiative takes 4 seconds to regen, skill 2,3,4 and 5 all cost that same resource and Thieves don’t have the godly sword auto attacks of Revenant who also gets more evades per second regen with Shiro.
I know everyone is being sarcastic, but thief sword auto’s is something that desperately needs to be addressed. The aftercast is horrible.
Everyone uses Sword mainhand.
It’s perfectly balanced.
LordHelseth Karl I said so.
-snipping any non-confrontational commendations because these are GW2 forums and we don’t agree on things here unless they are thief nerfs-
The sarcastic part, is that it would be unfortunate if Thieves had any risk to go with their reward of entering stealth.
Exactly.
I mean, in addition to abstaining from all dps.
cause mindgames are more important than letting your opponent heal.
If only Thieves had some form of mobility or evasion, I guess they wouldn’t need to crutch on stealth as a supremely defensive mechanic, and not just use it as a utility. Missed design opportunity, I guess.
Yeah, totally wasted opportunity there.
They could have even made it so if they decided to use this mobility it would take priority over their attacks so they wouldnt be able to dps when using it.
Yknow, to make it balanced.
In fact, maybe that wouldnt be enough, maybe it should deplete some kind of pool that their attacks needed to work, so that if they decided to use it they wouldnt be able to attack fully for a few seconds afterward.
hmmmmm.
Lots of potential there I think.
So funny gw2 , so funny. I post bunch of facts and common sense and bunch of kittens are flaming me instead
Hi, I’m Azure, I don’t believe we’ve ever met.
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this suggestion is too reasonable to be implemented.
Giving thieves sustain? when they have Shortbow 5?
madness.
You want thieves to become the only thing anyone ever plays in PVP?
Thieves shouldnt get diddly.
except nerfs.
Maybe I am the only one, I prefer sustain than shortbow 5.
pffffttpffshhhh
Thieves always carry shortbow.
Obv.
this suggestion is too reasonable to be implemented.
Giving thieves sustain? when they have Shortbow 5?
madness.
You want thieves to become the only thing anyone ever plays in PVP?
Thieves shouldnt get diddly.
except nerfs.
I love how the title of this is “I’m never one to complain”
and then the first post is a complaint.
DH is balanced. a trap is a trap because it is a trap. You just need to learn to dodge untelegraphed attacks.
Like mesmer stealthbombs.
or backstabs.
The term “p2w” has been so watered down that people try to apply it to anything. Name another MMO that gives you a shot at winning in PvP for not purchasing the expac. It’s an expac.
P2W would be if you could buy a 10% increased damage buff for sPvP with gems that lasted a week. Or pay more for a 20% increased damage buff. You pay regularly for some buff/unique gear/whatever in order to win. Needing an expansion for an optimal build that will win you tournaments isn’t P2W.
I agree with this in the sense that people seem to be desperate to attribute their inadequacies at a video game to anything other than personal failings (and financial disparity is an excellent reason to claim that losses are not your fault)
but still.
Daredevil.
Watertight argument.
You cant even begin to tell me I’m wrong.
-snipping any non-confrontational commendations because these are GW2 forums and we don’t agree on things here unless they are thief nerfs-
The sarcastic part, is that it would be unfortunate if Thieves had any risk to go with their reward of entering stealth.
Exactly.
I mean, in addition to abstaining from all dps.
cause mindgames are more important than letting your opponent heal.
Correcting your thought.
Berserker is bad.
Core warrior is amazing.
I run Axe/Shield with GS, Zerker Amulet and Str/Disc/Defense.
Ruin everything up close, reflect pew rangers.
I have no reason to make my synergy horrid by trying to figure out how to incorporate Berserker line.
I happen to think Warrior is perfectly balanced and Berserker is a direct nerf.
So I play warrior in pvp, yes. I dont run zerker line though. it ruins my synergy.
Daredevil.
I am now accepting counterarguments.
No need to read anything other then first post.
There are 2 possible options
1: you must be a total noob who just began to play, or a pve brainless carebear
2: you are a troll who tries to frame
Not agreeing with OP that Thief is op?
Must be a thief.
Stop defending it because you don’t want it to be nerfed.
This thread needs to be posted on a wall and framed.
So what you just posted related nothing to what anyone else has said. Idc if you have played since beta.You play thief since beta but still get rekt?? What is this post even about?
I created this thread because I was bored and tired of all the thief nerfs and I wanted to see people’s reaction when I ask for more nerfs.
I still lose sometimes as thief, but most thieves cant beat me.
Sok Merry
Most people cannot understand grating sarcasm on these forums if it was rubbing up against their backside.
In all honesty though, thieves do need more nerfs. They still occasionally show up in pvp matches on the same team.
So what you just posted related nothing to what anyone else has said. Idc if you have played since beta.You play thief since beta but still get rekt?? What is this post even about?
obviously thief kneads more norfs.
cant you r33d
Since the thief requires far more skill to successfully play than most of the other classes (Revenant might give it a run for its money with how much you need to keep track of) I’m all for more nerfs because if thieves still can be found in PvP performing well then it’s clearly too easy as is.
More nerfs plox,
I relish the challenge
this guy gets it
If dev locks the thread nerfs confirmed
I am literally crying.
This is gold.
Yeah, I think he’s a troll… or trying too hard to troll… Like pointing out each “thief” player…
This can’t be a real QQ post.
What do you guys think?
You guys are taking the bait so hard right now
kitten IT.
I KNEW IT.
IT WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE….
kitten you merrykitten for breaking my heart…
shh
Accept it
Thief is OP
Nerf it more.
I’d like to QQ about the people that are QQing about the QQ.
same, please create a new thread so we can qq about the people qqing about DH qq.
Glaphie please share your build
I believe it will be useful to change the thief meta
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQJAVVn8lC1NhFNBeNBsPhlhCjLAsByAdflRwLYe/9/OgA-TJxHwACuEAILDga/BAPBAA
I use Mercy to stand a chance at reviving but Monk or Water is best.
Thank you, bookmarking for posterity
Glaphie please share your build
I believe it will be useful to change the thief meta
This man is a hero
give him a cookie but no buffs
He’s playing his role.
my sides
No.
They should actually remove the damage reduction thieves get now, because stealth is op enough.
Yea because theifs (daredevil spec (non stealth))are doing so well right now. Theifs need to get some defensive outside of stealth….. Its so easy to one shot them in a stun its just sad.
Stop missing it.
He’ll get it, just give him time.
Nerf thief while he gets it.
No.
They should actually remove the damage reduction thieves get now, because stealth is op enough.
Yea because theifs are doing so well right now. Theifs need to get some defensive outside of stealth….. Its so easy to one shot them in a stun its just sad.
If thieves run zerker they deserve to be oneshot.
There are plenty of options to help thief not be oneshot.
And not hit like a wet noodle.
Probably.
Too op.
Engineer whinebait since lock on would be useless.
Good idea though. If it was up to me id say yes.
What qq?
Nerfs are justified.
Azure – people might take you seriously and if that happens, i will hate both them and you!
What are you talking about?
Clearly thief is brain dead ridiculous faceroll hertseeker bot.
Heaven forbid thieves actually have to try to decap
Personally hope they don’t give thief/Daredevil anything . Thief abuse of things caused plenty of nerfs.
You did it to yourselves , and you deserve it. Cheapest profession and has more then it needs. A lot of other professions need more attention. Thiefs don’t need diddly
This guy speaks 100% truth.
Clearly pre nerf thieves using the options offered to their class makes the fact that thief is now stupid hard to play justified.
In fact, why stop there?
nerf it more. Make them pay for their crimes. Make all the thieves pay for using the mechanics provided to them for wins.
I agree with this Azure guy. Nerf Thief man, they can BREATHE IN MY AIRSPACE. Also, buff my Dragonhunter. I died once, terrible track record.
Jeez, that stealth so strong (hides engi, ranger, guardian, warrior (that was fun), Revenant (that was fun too), mesmer and necro). Stealth too strong, nerf Thief Stealth.
Also, Thief has stealth only skills. Remove them. And the dual skills. I’m tired of the 3 spam.
agree 100%
would sub
Ask for buffs, receive nerfs. Lets beg for more nerfs, maybe we’ll get buffs?
Now someone’s on the train to smartville.
Back before 6/23. Back before HoT. All of these thief complaints were justified. Now, thief players have to play like they’re treading through a minefield. One mistake and rekt. The fact that you’re still complaining shows you’re either trolling or just bad.
Wait…
what?
Only if Rise! makes my Necromancer stealthed for 25 seconds as well as giving me 50% damage reduction. After all, there’s a lot of AoE going around, and I have no choice but to mindlessly stand in it. Even while invisible.
yeah.
After all, its not like their emergency stealth skill requires them to stand in a small visible circle.
Thieves need to l2p.
I guess the days of just dropping that in the middle of everyone, being relatively fine under pressure, then being able to run around invisible afterwards for a fairly lengthy period of time must be over. How incredibly unfortunate.
I suppose Thieves will have to use abilities like Shadow Refuge intelligently.
I got nothing.
You’ve defeated me.
SR surely was the epitome of defensive skills.
Now they just have to decide whether to drop their big knockbackbait circle 600m away or not.
why should we only ask for reasonable things?
because whinebait.
Now I’m not sure if you’re serious.
rollseyes
I understand warriors and theives complaints, but instead or asking for nerfs, why not ask for buffs to your class instead? You must love this class, therefore you must know what it needs best.
Tried that.
Didnt work.
You know what does work?
Asking for other classes to be nerfed when they’re clearly op.
If there are only two classes that currently have it bad (daredevil is debatable), why bring the other 7 down when you can buff the other two? You can complain all you want, but when your logic is obviously flawed then youll be accomplishing nothing.
Flawed logic nerfed the thief class.
Tell me I’m wrong.
Is it only Warriors that hate Thieves right now?
Seems like it lol.
Man, I absolutely hate thieves.
When they stealth, its like I cant even fight them man
No counterplay at all.
Also whenever I can see them they always spam blind.
bad bad bad.
Not like I have a thief alt or anything and know how to play around this.
They need more nerfs. Stealth op.
Only if Rise! makes my Necromancer stealthed for 25 seconds as well as giving me 50% damage reduction. After all, there’s a lot of AoE going around, and I have no choice but to mindlessly stand in it. Even while invisible.
yeah.
After all, its not like their emergency stealth skill requires them to stand in a small visible circle.
Thieves need to l2p.
Is it only Warriors that hate Thieves right now?
No.
Anyone who loses to a thief (and has never played one) hates thieves.
i see this in another topic and i think is a good idea:
Thief:
->Shadow refuge: Add protection on activation and pulse blindness on shadow refuge (1 second pulse) increase healing to 3000.
->Pistol skill headshot: add knockdown duration 1 secondProtection and pulse blindness? lolnope. That would be ridiculous to be honest. All SR needs is the addition of stability for the duration of the field… That is literally all I’d change with it.
As for KD with headshot? Again lolnope… I’ts fine as it is.
stability is nonsense, and worse than pulse blindness because now even the ranged knockbacks wont work.
I understand warriors and theives complaints, but instead or asking for nerfs, why not ask for buffs to your class instead? You must love this class, therefore you must know what it needs best.
Tried that.
Didnt work.
You know what does work?
Asking for other classes to be nerfed when they’re clearly op.
are you kittening kittenting me? Thieves are the most overpowered class on this patch along with mesmers and you want 50% dmg reduction in stealth which is already the most kittened mechanic in the game by far.
stealth has no counterplay in this game and is the cheapest and most overpowered and certain disengage and a thief/mesmer/scrapper can just reset fights forever until they get a good opening
thief gameplay in a nutshell: get a bad opening? Stealth, reset fight, repeat until you get a good opening, spam 3 if you;‘re d/p or s/d or spam 5 if you’re staff thief with some dodges inbetween
thief is currently so kittening overpowered and braindead i have no kittening words what were arena net thinking ? oh right, they weren’t. They have more condi removals than elementalists , do insane dmg, unhindered by any kinds of slow/immobilization, the most stun breakers (steal isnt a stunbreaker but it does just the same thing, shadow step is 2 , infiltration signet if you run it is 3) with low cds huge kittening joke
same with mesmer except they have more dmg and less condi removal but in general are the same cancer and easy mode kitten
1/10 would read again
as far as topic goes, considering all the aoe and amount of revealed, yeah 50% seems reasonable… unless they nerf all other classes aoe/dmg/reveals (which won’t even happen)
You must be insane .
Thief is already tanky as is in stealth. Now you want to buff them more?
puh-lease
And please, dear kitten please, do not just tell me you tried to argue that thief DPS is lower than DH. You need to go back to basic math if that is the case.
Idunno, he could be right.
Mind proving why DH dps is lower?
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