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50% dmg reduction in stealth back

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Azure The Heartless.3261

are you kittening kittenting me? Thieves are the most overpowered class on this patch along with mesmers and you want 50% dmg reduction in stealth which is already the most kittened mechanic in the game by far.

stealth has no counterplay in this game and is the cheapest and most overpowered and certain disengage and a thief/mesmer/scrapper can just reset fights forever until they get a good opening

thief gameplay in a nutshell: get a bad opening? Stealth, reset fight, repeat until you get a good opening, spam 3 if you;‘re d/p or s/d or spam 5 if you’re staff thief with some dodges inbetween

thief is currently so kittening overpowered and braindead i have no kittening words what were arena net thinking ? oh right, they weren’t. They have more condi removals than elementalists , do insane dmg, unhindered by any kinds of slow/immobilization, the most stun breakers (steal isnt a stunbreaker but it does just the same thing, shadow step is 2 , infiltration signet if you run it is 3) with low cds huge kittening joke

same with mesmer except they have more dmg and less condi removal but in general are the same cancer and easy mode kitten

Yep.

Agree 100%.

Totally braindead. Stealth op.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

The DH tears are getting irritating fast...

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Stop defending it because you dont want it to get nerfed.

I’d just like to direct attention to this statement and ask why anyone would defend something if not for that exact reason.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

50% dmg reduction in stealth back

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No.

They should actually remove the damage reduction thieves get now, because stealth is op enough.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

The DH tears are getting irritating fast...

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Azure The Heartless.3261

Welcome to GW2.

Where if your class is reasonably comfortable, people cry until you don’t want to play it anymore.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Whats with all these QQ'ers recently

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Azure The Heartless.3261

I play Guard since launch

finally get rekt by guardians for once in their life.

Lmao

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Good PvP spec for an ultra noob

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Ive always loved Thief animation and such, im having trouble in PvE cause i suck so hard with them cause they are squishy sure my guardian are squishy to but i can handle that with aegis and such.
With Thief i just die die die.
But PvP seems fun and i want to be good at it, but i dont know wich weapons and build to use that would suit me.
Any tips? Thief feels like the hardest class to play as :P

“Thief feels like the hardest class to play as :P”

It is. Get used to it. It won’t get easier.

There’s no upfront defense for thief, so you will need to learn to predict large hits in enemy rotation and dodge them or move physically out of the way/range of the attack.

I don’t know what to tell you about the weapons except that Shortbow is mostly required and many thieves run Dagger/ Pistol. Youll have to figure out what suits your playstyle more.

Dying is going to happen, theres no way around it.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

We are being left behind (opinions)

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Nerf it more

This.

I don’t really care anymore. I don’t expect the core thief to receive a buff any time soon.

Might as well nerf it more. Make it completely unforgiving to play.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thief anti breakbar skills?

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Yo!

So i’m new to thief and i’m having trouble in verdant brink with breaking breakbars. Is pistol daze and basilisk venom our only options until we become daredevils?

Anything that applies a control effect, including daze on steal and stolen skills like mace head crack are options for breakbar depletion.

That and scorpion wire.

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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

The history of thief.

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Boy don’t we all miss the days when thieves could fight a zerg single handedly?

I mean… all these nerfs are so unjustified.

A zerg that lets a thief pick off so many people like that without focusing him should be eaten singlehandedly.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Immersion Broken, Game Ruined - Look Here!

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Dhumm?

RUINED

Unless this is actually a very peculiar plot twist leak.

if so, SAVED

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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thief should get:

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No.

Knockdowns on instant cast are whinebait.

Blindness in shadow refuge is melee spec whinebait.

Thief should be harder because stealth or something.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Salty players

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Raging in this game shouldn’t even be against the rules.

The way this game is designed will always provoke raging because when you lose it doesn’t feel like you got outplayed most of the time and spotting plus appreciating skill in GW2 is very hard.

Build wars 2 should sum it up for you, i don’t respect a guy that beats me because he happens to run a build thats good against mine and yes every single build has a counter build ,even the meta builds. You don’t have an idea how laughable and useless d/d eles were against my warrior before anet butchered quickness and with it warriors.

I don’t respect a guy that gets class carried either, that would be all thieves , mesmers, engineers and most of the time guardians. Stealth is the most overpowered and forgiving mechanic in this game that makes you able to play like a kitten because you always have a way out, you barely need to consider anything and you can always run away and disengage if you take a bad trade and restart the fight until you take a good trade. Anet are pathetic for not realizing this because its just pure common sense, all mesmer/thief/engineer players that don’t realize this are also pathetic and should grow some balls and play a real class. Guardain is there because its broken as hell atm and is carried by overwhelming stats and invulnerabilities/blocks , not necessarily by stealth.

So you could blame the game design for having so many ragers because the game is designed in a kittenty way so casual people can get build carried, basically this build generates more players/activity around pvp because if skill actually mattered then pvp would be dead, just like it was in another mmo which i shall not name but i’ll tell you that its pvp is by far the best mmo pvp there was. Basically its forgiving so they can keep casuals playing cause these are the ppl that generate da cash.

One of the very very few times i’ve “respected” a guy for outplaying me was when he played a build that isn’t broken or carried by easy/pathetic mechanics and when i failed a lot but he still did okay and i died. I didn’t flame the guy and i noticed him later when i got him and i would notice him if i get him today too but his mmr is probably too low cuz mine is maxed out and we don’t meet much, plus he won’t kill me this time. My point is that when i die by a guy with a build that isnt cheesy’/kittened then its K.

what i don’t consider cheesy is all builds with outplay potential and potential to get outplayed, for example dps warrior or power ranger or even necro to some extent. Elementalists are mostly okay too altho nowadays reapers/tempests are broken as hell so thats another thing to rage about.

Enjoyable read, 10/10

would sub

If only 80% of the pvp community thought like you

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thiefs are well balanced

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I love how people suggest “thieves should be balanced”

and people just fly wayyy off the handle and go “oh, so you want 15k backstabs, perma invis perma blinds and 50000 hp”

when a small buff to the hp pool and the healing buff we were promised would prob be enough if not just a good first step.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Really need a second opinion on this build.

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Decapper/skirmishing thief.

Built around traps. Ambush on 20sec cooldown, TG on 180. Improvisation has a chance to reset TG earlier, which can lead to 4-6 adds either carrying scorpion wire or unload.

Pack runes give all adds fury.
ToTC gives all adds fury.

High single target damage, was able to run zerker periodically since adds are distracting and ruin tab targeting.

Adds drop free black powder fields.

Shadow Arts can be swapped with straightline (middle) Daredevil tree for superior mobility.

Thoughts?

Glaring weaknesses?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQRAoa6al0MhenYdTw7Jw+EHIFlPHCieg3ABwCofyTYxA-TZBFABC8QAEvMQN7PswJAAgjAAA

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thiefs are well balanced

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Play thief jst only half and year, and yes they are lacking hte fighting potential. But this is not what the class was designed for. Otherwise why would be then in almost every esport game?

Its a real shame when a class has the majority of its skills designed for attacking and yet cannot capably fight, don’t you think?

Not everyone has the opportunity to be the sorely-needed empty point decapper in high level play, you know?

Yeah its irony that assassing class cant fight like normal hero. But what the devs can make even about it? It will require rebuilding thief completly and set another concept. And this is hard to change after 3 years of thief concept. Its designed this way, use it this way.

No.

If I wanted to sit around all day and do nothing I could do that without a video game.

I guess you dont get the idea of competetive games. You dont play solo, you play with a team. And in order to win you sometimes has to sacrifice something. Look at ESL, fast moving and capturing points wins the game. Its too much valuable.
But of course if you want to play random unranked and jst brawl with somebody you might be right. But if people want kills instead of winning the game, then my oppinion is stupid.

Or, instead, perhaps I think thieves shouldn’t only be capable of capping undefended points.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

New Crafter/TP/Bank Meta Build

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Too mobile

Nerf pls, when thieves are doing bank transfers my necro can’t keep up

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thiefs are well balanced

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Play thief jst only half and year, and yes they are lacking hte fighting potential. But this is not what the class was designed for. Otherwise why would be then in almost every esport game?

Its a real shame when a class has the majority of its skills designed for attacking and yet cannot capably fight, don’t you think?

Not everyone has the opportunity to be the sorely-needed empty point decapper in high level play, you know?

Yeah its irony that assassing class cant fight like normal hero. But what the devs can make even about it? It will require rebuilding thief completly and set another concept. And this is hard to change after 3 years of thief concept. Its designed this way, use it this way.

No.

If I wanted to sit around all day and do nothing I could do that without a video game.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thiefs are well balanced

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Azure The Heartless.3261

Play thief jst only half and year, and yes they are lacking hte fighting potential. But this is not what the class was designed for. Otherwise why would be then in almost every esport game?

Its a real shame when a class has the majority of its skills designed for attacking and yet cannot capably fight, don’t you think?

Not everyone has the opportunity to be the sorely-needed empty point decapper in high level play, you know?

Edit:

Edit: is called competetive, when certain class do their job in order to win the match. Not 5v5 gather on one place and fight each other. Strategy to win the game.

uh huh.

I guess.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

(edited by Azure The Heartless.3261)

Thiefs are well balanced

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Thief is still one of the best and demanded class in entire game

He is not though designed to be fighter

just lol

Id like to draw attention to the fact that demanded by high level players does not mean enjoyable in general.

Just thought people should note that.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thiefs are well balanced

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OP, it sounds to me like you are just bad at the game. Go back to your OP Warrior or Guardian and learn to play noob!

Take your brain off cruise control, you get better mileage that way.

On topic: Thieves are squishy, have average damage output and must give up one weapon slot and all attack abilities for mobility.

They’re fine though. At least one of the classes has to be ridiculously challenging.

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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

DEV'S seem to not care!!

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Maybe thief is just fine and everyone complaining is bad.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Why is arguing about "OP" builds impossible?

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Eh.

I hear words like “overpowered”, “ridiculous”, “immortal”, “faceroll” and the like so often that I don’t even bother now, unless the topic in question is a flat out lie about mechanics. Its either “l2p” or “op pls nerf” from people who more often than not go under dev radar, and rarely is there an overwhelming consensus on anything as regards balance so-

Just gonna play -around- all the bullkitten I suppose and actually have fun

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Would it be OP to have Endurance thief-

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people would whine.

should probably not tread on other player’ dodges.

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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Nightfury... Seriously????

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Not a problem. I dont need the skin right now. Ill get the gated materials and keep tabs on what I need for later.

Incentive to actually play.

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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Daredevil SUPER squishy!

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I’m planning to run zerker.

I just need to figure out how to get dash, improv, and stealth on steal all into one build.

without giving up trickery.

ponders heavily

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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thief feels significantly weaker

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If you are ran Physicals, you had 0 chance, so no, it isn’t.

It’s a nerf for the core thief, because core thief has no access to physicals. Their improv recharge type pool got increased by having one useless option added.

Sure, it recharges physical skills now, but it’s only a buff if you actually have daredevil -and- choose to use daredevil, which is a specialization of thief, and not core.

Just in case you’re not pretending that you don’t understand that

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Revert quickness and slow change please

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Why would quickness and slow not affect how fast a movement animation went? This change hurt warriors so hard, and was very unnecessary

Do you mean quickness and chilled?

I thought slow affected anims.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

sPvP: Create incentive to join losing team

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You get the reward of being on the winning team, plus a bonus.

Lol right. That’s not enough?

This.

I dont think you can do any better than “Free win if you help these guys.”

what else is there?

a medal?

Do you want a medal?

A medal that says ‘I pressed a button in hotjoin?’

FULLY FLEDGED ANET DEV.

Write it in.

Hotjoin pity medals.

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Staff run, idle and walking animation

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I’d love the monkey king animation if feasible.

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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thief got purely BUFFED!!! Wow!!! :-D

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Improvisation should just recharge one equipped utility.

this could be abused.

running all venoms and trickery in a condi build would mean I could have burst up every twenty seconds.

Same for all deception skills.

Seems a bit too strong imo. Although, with other classes the way they are it could be a buff that would allow thief to fight with some other builds.

Improv is…. okay,I guess. It should only factor in physical if you actually have the line though. Don’t know how hard it is to determine that (perhaps there’s a handle that can determine that AND change a non elite trait), but it would be good for core thieves that are already stupid weak.

He said one equipped utility, not utility type.

my mistake.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Shadowstep Stomping Hack?

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It’s steal.

If your steal is off cooldown and you’re stomping a thief, you can guarantee the stomp by stealing to their location the instant they teleport.

Its a trick you pick up in pvp. Steal also accounts for teleports in any directon, as steal always outranges the downstate port and follows the same pathing laws.

plus, as was said, we know exactly when our stomp finishes. if you port at the last second and we steal at the last instant, you’re guaranteed getting staked.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

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dont buff thief! nerf the others

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Play to your role and sculpt your build to the situation and thief performs just fine. But that is just my two cents.

Fixed so people understand exactly what this entails

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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Vault overtuned

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As a ranger, if a thief is:

> not further from you than 800 range
> hitting you up close

and you are

>not running sword/signet of stone and are marauder

Something is wrong, and it isnt the thief.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thief got purely BUFFED!!! Wow!!! :-D

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Improvisation should just recharge one equipped utility.

this could be abused.

running all venoms and trickery in a condi build would mean I could have burst up every twenty seconds.

Same for all deception skills.

Seems a bit too strong imo. Although, with other classes the way they are it could be a buff that would allow thief to fight with some other builds.

Improv is…. okay,I guess. It should only factor in physical if you actually have the line though. Don’t know how hard it is to determine that (perhaps there’s a handle that can determine that AND change a non elite trait), but it would be good for core thieves that are already stupid weak.

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thief is OP and fun don't change it :)

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I don’t know why your complaining about not being “buff” enough but I just played thief and wow was it OP and fun to play. For those thinking its weak I main a mesmer and warrior and playing thief is seriously easy mode compared to those two. I’ll stick around thief for a while knowing how fun it is to play

What’s your build?

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Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

[PvP] So what class have you rerolled to?

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Azure The Heartless.3261

Still thief.

I found a build that works well enough,and maybe dd has something for me.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thank you!! For Daredevil animations

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Azure The Heartless.3261

I’m going to take my time and say thanks too.

I’m very critical of the thief class because it walks a thin line between being considered ‘op’ and underwhelming, but the team that implemented these changes, you nailed the fluidity. That’s what I like to see. Well done.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Please Remove Wiggle From Dash Animation

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Azure The Heartless.3261

dash wiggle is amazing.

leave it in pls.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Invisible Shoes! What the?!

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Azure The Heartless.3261

Invisible chest slot pls.

invisible shoes is 10/10.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Honestly we need a nerf (Mesmers)

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Azure The Heartless.3261

As a thief player, I dont think a mesmer would complain about being able to burst from stealth.

that used to be their one weakness.

If anything they probably mostly see it as long-overdue retribution.

I’ll see how chronos play out. If well, I’ll make one.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

BUFF thief

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Azure The Heartless.3261

thief [is the]…. easiest and most fun class to play for me.

Thieves are not meant to fight 1vs1 fights against enemies with full health bars.

You´re supposed to cap points, finish off enemies that are already below 50% health quickly and then immediately vanish into stealth again and cap the next point.

I almost never die in PvP as a thief.

Of course you wouldnt die, you’re never putting yourself in any danger. You’re just playing the role of an add whose whole purpose is to sit out of combat unless a wounded person limps along.

This is precisely the problem. A substantial amount of thieves don’t want this. It’s a noncombat role, and it’s just as braindead as the old decap engineer that sat on points all day and never died.

The only difference, maybe, is that the engies with that spec chose it, while thieves are by and large forced into it if they want to be of use at all to SPvP teams.

And most of the other classes want it this way. It’s relaxing mentally to know that a thief will not bother you out of nowhere unless you are:

a.) in a fight
b.) already losing

Well, it seems to me that the choice is to either play the class in the way they are strong now or to keep playing it like you think it should play and failing. The fact of the matter is that in all the big tournament all the teams have thieves. You don’t want to hear it but you are primarily a +1 and decap at the moment. It is a role in conquest.

I know this.

And I hate it.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

BUFF thief

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Azure The Heartless.3261

Wait, people are still complaining about daredevil? I would’ve expected these ‘thief mains’ to know what they are talking about. Thief is far from dead, it has been tremendously buffed with daredevil, at least back to 2014 level. Survibility and damage are at an all time high atm. I’m honestly baffled.

The problem is that this viability is not included with the core thief.

The core thief is like half a class, with the (now you can fight) option behind a paywall.

I have no issues with daredevil. It’s very fluid and has tremendous potential at the moment.

We’re complaining because people are content with believing that “stay out of combat, cap, kill weaklings” is proper gameplay.

That’s noob gameplay. Literally. That’s how you play the game when you first start. I cringe to use the word but noobs play like that.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

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BUFF thief

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Azure The Heartless.3261

thief [is the]…. easiest and most fun class to play for me.

Thieves are not meant to fight 1vs1 fights against enemies with full health bars.

You´re supposed to cap points, finish off enemies that are already below 50% health quickly and then immediately vanish into stealth again and cap the next point.

I almost never die in PvP as a thief.

Of course you wouldnt die, you’re never putting yourself in any danger. You’re just playing the role of an add whose whole purpose is to sit out of combat unless a wounded person limps along.

This is precisely the problem. A substantial amount of thieves don’t want this. It’s a noncombat role, and it’s just as braindead as the old decap engineer that sat on points all day and never died.

The only difference, maybe, is that the engies with that spec chose it, while thieves are by and large forced into it if they want to be of use at all to SPvP teams.

And most of the other classes want it this way. It’s relaxing mentally to know that a thief will not bother you out of nowhere unless you are:

a.) in a fight
b.) already losing

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

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Daredevil unblockable attacks a bit too good

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Azure The Heartless.3261

stealth isn’t as important to thief as blocks are to guardian. Thief has SB to escape if things get hairy and they’re revealed. Guard has…nothing but a blind or two.

Assuming thief has the initiative to get away after being revealed.

Guardians rely on blocks, thieves rely on stealth.

Now you see how it feels to have your core mechanic negated. You don’t lose your condi purging, cooldowns and heals upon having blocks broken though.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

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Improvisation Doesn't Recharge New Physicals

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Azure The Heartless.3261

Hah

Just noticed that now. Improvisation is getting nerfed:

- Or it doesnt work on physicals
- Or the RNG will change from 1/4 chance to 1/5 chance thx to the extra group.

Typical for thiefs.

It’s already one fifth.

Traps, tricks, signets, venoms, deceptions.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Thank you for the new Daredevil animations.

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Azure The Heartless.3261

I agree. the dashes and staff animations have been polished and are now very suitable.

Thank you.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Daredevil unblockable attacks a bit too good

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Azure The Heartless.3261

Day 0

Nerf thieves

Never mind that until this point they could do nothing to bunkers.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

Maize Balm Nerf

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Azure The Heartless.3261

I love how when farmers complain about people ruining their farm, they always end up on the losing side and get their profit vehicles nerfed.

Maybe they should stop whining and farm in silence.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

** Do Not play < Thief > in sPvP **

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Azure The Heartless.3261

Buff thieves so they don’t need shortbow? You mean, buff thieves without touching shortbow, so you’d give them more mobility and utility, while they can just choose to keep shortbow too because they have no reason not to?

Amazing ideas so far.

A sustain buff (Namely, the one we were promised but is yet unimplemented) would allow thieves to fight more effectively on point and might allow some newer builds to resurface that aren’t focused on “Get to point when it is uncontested, leave when someone comes.”

Maybe that will get some people to look at not taking shortbow, especially with DD coming up. Maybe not. fact of the matter is that at it stands now, backcap mule isn’t working.

I win a 1v1 if I kill my opponent and I lose it if I die. Thief doesn’t die unless you over-commit but can still kill a variety of builds.
If you insist on taking nodes into account then I win the 1v1 if I can contest the node and as my (thief) mobility is higher than yours (non thief) I can contest it by simply being there before you. I already won. I can then just go somewhere else and as it takes longer to cap than to decap I have succeeded. I can even contest it by being invisible for a big as you then have to guess whether I go to your node or not and either way, I can do the opposite and win again.
Either you see 1v1 as contesting nodes at which thief is very good due to its mobility (which becomes obvious as in any top team brings one for that reason) or you see it as fighting, at which thief is very good as its worst match up is a draw. It you mix up both you are purposely making up a situation that makes thief look bad but by doing so you prove absolutely nothing as everyone can make up a large variety of situations in which class/build xy is bad. If you want to be good in that particular situation then you might be playing the wrong class, if you want to have what you can do now+be good in that situation then you are simply asking to be overpowered as thief has had and still has its place in the meta with a higher certainty than any other class.

Contesting =/= capping a point before someone else.

The very core of the issue is that because thief is good at sitting on unattended points, it should not be allowed to spec in such a way that allows it to challenge other classes while they are on the point.

I frankly don’t care how it’s done. What I’m concerned with is that I cannot be an effective thief in SPVP unless I perform that one task, however entertaining players may think it to be.

Being trapped in that one role is stupid. I don’t care about -why- we’re there or being able to instantly devour 1v1s because of the nature of my class. Damage is in a good place, but there’s no option to do anything outside of what people are touting as apparently proper thief gameplay (namely, cap and run), because thieves are not equipped to deal with the recently scaled damage output of the other classes.

And that’s the conversation this thread should be having instead of blatantly calling the class bad without awknowledging the fact that the class is used effectively in almost every top PvP team.

We’ve been having this same conversation for ages. The reason we do not care about top pvp teams using the class is because they have:

a.) accepted their role as backcap mule
b.) More than likely have a rehearsed strategy as well as on-the-fly teamspeak to maximize the effectiveness of that role.

In normal pvp where enemy actions are more spontaneous and your team less coherent, this role doesnt work.

That, coupled with the fact that we can’t do anything else, is precisely why we are saying thief is bad, if I am not insane.

That + the class descriptions saying we should at the very least excel at 1v1 just leaves anyone dissatisfied with the noncombatant role of the thief as it stands doubly frustrated.

This thread makes me feel a little better about how hard I flopped last night when trying to complete the daily win. I got it eventually, but through sheer luck of getting a good team. I was going down faster than an analogy that wouldn’t be appropriate for this forum.

Granted, I picked up a build off MetaBattle and tried to learn it on the spot, but holy crap was I failing. They’re saying this stuff about hiding in stealth and I couldn’t even stay in stealth for more than a few seconds before all my CDs were blown and I was down on the ground.

I take it the skill cap for being good at Thief is pretty high.

This is essentially what even seasoned thieves go through. The current balance says that if a thief chooses to engage, be that contesting a point or anything that isnt +1, he’s going to melt. It isnt that the cap is high, its that thief is supposed to be anywhere people are not.

Which is pretty contrary to the whole concept of a thief might I add.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

(edited by Azure The Heartless.3261)

** Do Not play < Thief > in sPvP **

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Azure The Heartless.3261

Buff thieves so they don’t need shortbow? You mean, buff thieves without touching shortbow, so you’d give them more mobility and utility, while they can just choose to keep shortbow too because they have no reason not to?

Amazing ideas so far.

A sustain buff (Namely, the one we were promised but is yet unimplemented) would allow thieves to fight more effectively on point and might allow some newer builds to resurface that aren’t focused on “Get to point when it is uncontested, leave when someone comes.”

Maybe that will get some people to look at not taking shortbow, especially with DD coming up. Maybe not. fact of the matter is that at it stands now, backcap mule isn’t working.

I win a 1v1 if I kill my opponent and I lose it if I die. Thief doesn’t die unless you over-commit but can still kill a variety of builds.
If you insist on taking nodes into account then I win the 1v1 if I can contest the node and as my (thief) mobility is higher than yours (non thief) I can contest it by simply being there before you. I already won. I can then just go somewhere else and as it takes longer to cap than to decap I have succeeded. I can even contest it by being invisible for a big as you then have to guess whether I go to your node or not and either way, I can do the opposite and win again.
Either you see 1v1 as contesting nodes at which thief is very good due to its mobility (which becomes obvious as in any top team brings one for that reason) or you see it as fighting, at which thief is very good as its worst match up is a draw. It you mix up both you are purposely making up a situation that makes thief look bad but by doing so you prove absolutely nothing as everyone can make up a large variety of situations in which class/build xy is bad. If you want to be good in that particular situation then you might be playing the wrong class, if you want to have what you can do now+be good in that situation then you are simply asking to be overpowered as thief has had and still has its place in the meta with a higher certainty than any other class.

Contesting =/= capping a point before someone else.

The very core of the issue is that because thief is good at sitting on unattended points, it should not be allowed to spec in such a way that allows it to challenge other classes while they are on the point.

I frankly don’t care how it’s done. What I’m concerned with is that I cannot be an effective thief in SPVP unless I perform that one task, however entertaining players may think it to be.

Being trapped in that one role is stupid. I don’t care about -why- we’re there or being able to instantly devour 1v1s because of the nature of my class. Damage is in a good place, but there’s no option to do anything outside of what people are touting as apparently proper thief gameplay (namely, cap and run), because thieves are not equipped to deal with the recently scaled damage output of the other classes.

Again though, it appears that the core design of the class was focused around “hit and run”, so that request to do otherwise may be a dead one anyway.

I’m through arguing about it.

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

(edited by Azure The Heartless.3261)