Guild Wars 2

yolo swaggins.2570:

Warriors are brainless

Gonna have to half-disagree with you there. When the majority of your big deeps comes from being right up in your opponent’s face and you have to eat most damage thrown your way, there’s several layers of strategy that need to be employed to make that happen.

They cant teleport to their enemies, and all of their movement skill can be interrupted. Sure, its easy to pick up because the majority of their damage comes from straightforward, easily interpreted damaging skills, but its that very same straightforwardness that makes them so weak against something that isnt AI.

The warrior -as a class- is not clever, but to be effective in pvp, the player must be clever.

bugfix post /15bugs

reflect it to insta kill warrior, dodge it to render it useless?

meow one twenty.4376:

I’m willing to bet most of the trash talking Thieves are now playing DH.

This is what people are missing.

You got ganked and trash talked by a thief so you want them nerfed. Sure, wish granted. The toxic people will just play whatever spoonfeeds them kills and people actually more interested in the class suffer.

Exemplar.1479:

Karl McLain.5604:

The true shot note was indeed intended to indicate Deflecting Shot. True Shot is definitely not slated for any unblockable state at this time. :P

Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Patch-note-17-11/first#post5768384

balanced

NO

they’re not balanced yet

Argon.1563:

A Charr, a Norn and a Sylvari walk into a bar. The Charr orders a bottle of their best Black Citadel Whiskey, the Norn orders a tankard of their finest ale, and the Sylvari orders a glass of their freshest rainwater. The bartender turns to the Sylvari and says “Sorry, im not paid to water the plants.”

help

I dont know what to do with this +1

ReaperJr.5967:

Ill put it out here. Anyone who thinks warrior is viable can duel me. You can even choose what class you want me to play. If I lose a bo3, ill pay 50g. If you lose a bo5, you can just pay me 10g. Talk is cheap, show me where the action is at. Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

Ive said this before, and ill say it again. Warrior is NOT viable due to

1. The amount of active damage mitigation from other specs
2. Our susceptibility to condi
3. Our inability to even properly chase down enemies
4. Lack of sustain
5. Lack of damage pressure to compensate lack of sustain

Even fast hands baseline wont fix this now.

I dont think they’re viable but I still wanna fight you.

evilapprentice.6379:

I wanted to know why they had the time to answer softball questions but couldn’t be bothered to address the 100+ thieves who wanted to know why they were killing S/D instead of just “fixing” it.

Tl;Dr: For the most part devs do what they want to, your opinion as a player doesn’t really matter. If you ask them why, they’ll tell you to kitten off in a forum friendly manner.

This.

Also.

They nerf us, so we’re angry.

We’re angry, so they nerf us.

Pocket raptors are OP by definition

what did you expect

they’re POCKET RAPTORS

Sir Vincent III.1286:

swinsk.6410:

Trolls will be trolls!

How is this a troll when the title is very clear that it’s “Dev balance request” and not “Thief balance request”?

~gets hit by joke smack in the face ~

…

I see…

So, it was I that was too short to reach the joke, all along.

~stares down at hands, stoically ~

You should spell the title correctly.

Rodzynald.5897:

Warriors are [easy mode? broken?] because rampage, the one skill Anet has been pushing like their life depended on it, is now partially viable.

?
???

Brilliant/10.

/15toothpicks

This thief is running shortbow shortbow and enjoying it.

Just want to point out the elephant in the forum[?].

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Zero Day.2594:

See…

They don’t balance for themselves, they balance for the top 0.01% of players.

And since the top 0.01 don’t do anything but +1 and decap, thief is fine.

0.01 rerolled revs lol

So, it’s not a substantial amount of players re-rolling to care.

Thief thus needs more nerfs

vespers.1759:

Boy don’t we all miss the days when thieves could fight a zerg single handedly?

I mean… all these nerfs are so unjustified.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7OYniHrGqE

I spoke about this already but what made you think that posting a video where the first few targeted players did absolutely nothing but keep running as they were getting damaged proved that thieves deserved to be nerfed into what feels like uselessness?

being able to 1vx when your opponents are like that is balance.

Zero Day.2594:

See…

They don’t balance for themselves, they balance for the top 0.01% of players.

And since the top 0.01 don’t do anything but +1 and decap, thief is fine.

Gray.9041:

this one confuses me. as people have said, there’s no good reason for this.

• it’s not a balance issue.
• it’s not a matter of opinion.
• we were given a set date, so it’s not a matter of impatience (date has passed)
• it’s not about difficulty – as people have noted, it really can’t be that difficult to fix, unless the GW2 code is horribly written – which I believe it’s not.
• it’s not about patch availability. several patches have come and gone since this occurred, so it’s not “we’re waiting for the next release to push it”

so unless I miss the mark, there’s no good reason for this to still be an issue…

that said, maybe this belongs in the bug forum?

An unimplemented buff is not a bug.

Super warriors.

I was interested until I saw she was running malice signet.

Lamuness.3570:

Palm strike activates when the last hit of flurry hits, right? Couldn’t we just precast it and steal into it?

Thanks for all the advice! This is awesome!

no, all hits have to land.

you can precast it but your reflexes need to be stupid twitchy to steal in the time between the activation and the first hit.

Serious Thought.5394:

Dev+Flurry=full flurry

The most bs I have ever seen

Can this be a thing, Could Flurry be viable?

leans in close

Basi and flanking strikes + stun dura = full flurry.

for the people too short to reach the joke:

Mobility is obviously the best stat, and we cant have it and survivability

so why not just go full mobility and be the best decapper

with 900range ports

triggerhappy.3871:

Thieves are so desperate to protect a broken class mechanic
that regard everyone in this match as bad players.

Here is condi version example:
https://youtu.be/qbZwzep673o

I bet thieves will say these people are bad players also.

yeah. That warrior -is- bad.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

merrykitten .9423:

This is the most obvious reason that shows thieves are extremely OP. If you read the forums you will see a bunch of thief buff suggestions and complaints about how underpowered thieves are. These threads are completely ignored by the developer, if thieves were not op why would they ignore the threads?

because devs ignore 99.9% of threads for all classes

rangers demanded buffs since launch.
as did necros
and engineers

none of them got a buff until 3 years later…..well except engineer, but they still didn’t get the weapon switching they demanded.

if Anet listened to all threads, they would have given engineers the option to AIM their rifle and not shotgun it

plus they would have given rangers this pet buff ages ago. (or made pet removable)

but. devs don’t balance classes based on what people cry about on forums.

they balance classes based on average performance in game. which have theives as balanced (every nerf has a buff)

Correction: Dev only ignore buff requests not nerf requests. Thief has been on the receiving end of the nerfs for many many patches — yet here we are, Thief is still OP thus God Mode — you cant nerf a god.

Gawrsh Darn It, We can TRY~!

dannyteo.5864:

I was thinking that but there is the viper amulet and wanderers amulet as well which might be more viable to those two classes you just mentioned.

This is very true. Just musing.

nnnnnnnnhotjoin.

Disclaimer: Some of them might still be [kitten] op.

welcome to GW2, where if you’re good people cry about you until you arent, then mysteriously shut up when they benefit from a balance patch.

good for classes with reasonable output of condis that dont rely on condi damage to be effective.

would be good on hammer war with impact sigil, probably dash DD with the same for basi since they also pump weakness.

just be sure your condi clear is reasonable. condibomb is death.

I think its okay as is, for that reason. classes that can pump out stun/debilitating condis may get mileage out of it.

Assorted gem store skins, glint’s gaze, feather wings, shackles of madness.

Broken Inquest Guise.

Ramoth.9064:

Yes! Some people get it. If its any consolation I lost to a turret engineer in the same match. Truth be told I underestimated him when the fight started.

I’m more envious if anything, don’t take my remark as outright anger.

It’s irritating to know that a class can situationally 1v2 while thief has to avoid fights unless there’s a +1.

babazhook.6805:

I have found with Shadowtrap that one has to be very careful as to the location of the trap as the port back can be difficult > I am not overly familiar with the maps in PvP so am uncertain as to how many places the trap can be used.

The other issue is the cast time on the return which can be interrupted.

pathing for Shadow trap needs testing, will do that tonight.

Feedback on this build?

focuses on setting S. Trap in a safe location, finding an enemy within two minutes, then nuking them with basi and staff/mug before vanishing. 36 sec cooldown/ 45 if you take panic strike.

unhindered/Shortbow/Roll/ for escaping unstarted fights, Bandits defense for +10% to anyone without stability. Absolutely no defense because why.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQJAWVn0MB9OhFmC+NB8PhFaCzLLkGKDzVwNYJULA8EiAA-TpBCABAcBAEa/BMOEA2fEAG+BAEWZAA

updated: quickness/chill on swap to shortbow for added gtfo

Burtnik.5218:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Burtnik.5218:

Thief needs to get cd’s on their mobility skills which is also vault.

Even though the thief finished that fight with less than 2,000 hp?

Think hard now.

I think revenant was supposed to be balanced on energy system and yet on top of energy PT also got slapped cd. So i dont see any reason why thief cant get slapped cd on vault, inf arrow, shadowshot to avoid spamming insane mobility.

Think harder. Its been too long and it time for some mobility nerfs in form of cds for thief. Also you cant really ask for some buffs to sustain with such mobility right? Ofc you not.

Oh yeah

you right

Theef OP

mb I must have had too much heresy to drink, dunno why I said that thieves were balanced

Ramoth.9064:

While killing 4 door bombers. Even had enough time to /say “you guys are pretty bad, lol”.

The specialization is actually quite well balanced.

While some classes cant even 1v1 properly.

disgusting.

Burtnik.5218:

Thief needs to get cd’s on their mobility skills which is also vault.

Even though the thief finished that fight with less than 2,000 hp?

Think hard now.

Vague Memory.2817:

Dodges and evades are the most useful abilities in PvP, and they have been handed out like candy with HoT. I regularly see DDs just using there staff stomp skill in PvP to great effect because of the evade built into it.

because they have no sustain.

pretty sure that DD would be happy to evade less if thief had condi cleanse and could be viable without running part to full glass.

just saiyan. Take note of how much HP the thief had with a 14 sec cd heal AND all of those evades, after fighting that mesmer.

u rite tho, teef op

legenduu.4372:

Please for the love of god, unless you’re atheist, watch this. Take notes and revise what you have created.

Heres my take on this.

First time you got melted was the fault of Anet for allowing cancer like this to roam wvw.

The second time you got melted, you deserved it.

general rule of thumb is dont steal to guardian.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Mesmer is underpowered as kitten

fixed*

yolo swaggins.2570:

underpowered as kitten

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Release Notes:

• This thread has been upgraded from gold to platinum.
• Thieves are still OP

Release Notes:

• This thread’s OP has been reclassified from a Troll to a Ettin. His intelligence has been reduced to match this.
• Thieves are still balanced.

> mfw Ettin is actually a direct buff to Troll but is released as a nerf

Welcome to GW2 balance team. you’ll fit right in.

I probably shouldnt be making those kinds of remarks lest Karl trample me with the infraction stick

Release Notes:

• This thread has been upgraded from gold to platinum.
• Thieves are still OP

Still op though. Guaranteed.

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

arenta.2953:

1 caltrop doesn’t remove reaper shroud. idk where u came up with that.

and theif is weaker than reaper shroud. but not weak itself.

its balanced.

you can delude yourself if u want. but every nerf has a buff with it.

the only reason your saying thief is OP is cause it can stealth. guess what, so can mesmer, and engineer, and ranger.

remove stealth from the class, and then its extremely weak. with dmg less than necro (necro’s d/d and reaper’s GS out dpm theif d/d)

keep crying though. people like u have cried since game launched. and theif is still here. balanced.

Nah. Stealth is so op it makes everything else invalid

If not, why did engie get a trait so even auto attacks would reveal them?

they’re obv god mode class.

keep trollin

if its so OP
why did engi get more stealth.

why were more blast stealth fields added.

your own logic just kicked u in the kitten .

they have limited access to stealth to help give them a fighting chance against thieves, who can stealth on demand and gain a myriad of buffs every time they do so.

still op

I see no flaws in my logic

Treeoflife.4031:

Strengths: +1 Fights. Decap points. Good at 1v1 vs some glassy builds (especially other thieves). Crazy amounts of mobility. Quick Stomp. Hard to pin down.

Not brawler.

Good build, bad description.

arenta.2953:

1 caltrop doesn’t remove reaper shroud. idk where u came up with that.

and theif is weaker than reaper shroud. but not weak itself.

its balanced.

you can delude yourself if u want. but every nerf has a buff with it.

the only reason your saying thief is OP is cause it can stealth. guess what, so can mesmer, and engineer, and ranger.

remove stealth from the class, and then its extremely weak. with dmg less than necro (necro’s d/d and reaper’s GS out dpm theif d/d)

keep crying though. people like u have cried since game launched. and theif is still here. balanced.

Nah. Stealth is so op it makes everything else invalid

If not, why did engie get a trait so even auto attacks would reveal them?

they’re obv god mode class.

capnjosh.8925:

• T-Swizzle Shake It off (250,000 evades)

Stop

I love how GW2 Character select is saying “teeves are deadly in 1v1” , and metabattle is like

“Its a lie. Decap or gtfo [obv Sic]”

sephiroth.4217:

I get it all the time.. It usually happens after dodging and switching weapons for me.

+1 to this.

skogkatt.7586:

Where’s the pool noodle skin for Staff? Vault could reuse an Elementalist water splash animation.

Not edgy enough for thief

nerf pls