Guild Wars 2

You seem to forget the purpose of the maps… There are 3 ‘home bl maps because there are 3 servers. One “home” borderland per server, and then the Eternal Battle Grounds. There is a purpose behind having a homeland to defend, for those that do it. What you’re suggesting is really just a potential muddle of lands to fight in for simply the purpose of fighting and for points I guess. Sure a lot of people just want to fight so making a couple of EB type areas would make sense for that… but ALL people don’t want that. Some actually like the idea of having a home Borderland to defend, then having others that they can go havoc, roam, blob, to death. As for points/winning I personally don’t even care a tiny bit whether or not we “win” the week. What I care about is having the variety that WvW can offer which is, havoc, roam, zerg/blob battle now and then, and of course cause trouble for the people trying to cap stuff in our homeland.

TheHeretic.3529:

Balthazzarr.1349:

One of the things I’ve noticed is that you can typically see people that are on the server you are on but not the other server. That is, if you are on FA for example and looking to see where some players are that happen to be on BP, sometimes you will see them, sometimes you won’t… even when you’re partied/squaded up with them you don’t always see all members the same way. Some are a big white dot and some are just the plain regular dots. I can be in a party and the party members on my server I can see everywhere… the ones that are not on my server but are on the host/slave server show up as normal dots and I have to look for. Very frustrating to say the least.

Sorry but this is yet another instance of where the ‘linked’ server is getting the short end of the stick

Your assumption is incorrect and you’re jumping to conclusions. My guildies cant see other people from our own server.

It’s very possible that the issue I’m talking about and what you are all talking about may be different. I’m not making any assumption about what I am experiencing. I am assuming, of course, that it’s due to the server linking which is possibly incorrect. But my issue is still what it is. I run with the highest settings possible and I don’t have any issues not seeing people from my own server. I only have issues when it involves people (now and then) that are on the linked server. Not an assumption.. just what’s happening with me.

From the looks of what the OP wrote it sounds like some of you sometimes can’t see the player him/herself right in front of you at times.. at least not their names?? I mistook that issue for my own issue which is different. As for the original OP issue that you are all talking about.. I have never experienced it at all, and I run like I said with the highest settings. Not everyone can do that I understand, but maybe that is a clue? Not sure.

Tongku… you said you played the revised version… but the wind knockdowns were removed except maybe for the ones right at the gates of the air keep… not sure what’s wrong with the portals… The barricades were removed, and the wp’s stopped being contested if you owned any of the keeps (unless under attack that is). It definitely does NOT take a “vast” amount of time to get from north to south compared to ABL regardless of which path you take, if you know the map. Truly if you actually played the revised DBL enough you would have seen it was much better than the original release.

oh my…. watching the posts about how much a disaster DBL’s are makes me chuckle. It’s so obvious that the people that still hated them after the latest changes did NOT explore them much at all. They are so much easier to get around in. Travel from north to south really isn’t much different timewise (if at all) from the Alpine BL’s. As someone else said, there are shortcuts up and down cliffs, shrines, etc that don’t really take very long to figure out. Especially if you actually run WITH a group that knows the map. Keep on saying that the DBL’s suck… all that tells me is that you NEVER really gave them a chance after the last changes…. but… they still need to clear out the center of the map!!! Make it a battle ground! :P

Lol. PLAY LOTS MORE! ????

Agree with OP! imo the DBL’s never should have been removed. Alpine should have remained GONE and the DBL’s should have continued to be improved. THAT would have shown ANet’s commitment not only to change but to improving the change that they put in to make it fit what people liked. I truly believe it wasn’t the change itself that caused the problem.. It was the very poor design of the DBL’s. Just before Alpine’s came back they improved the DBL’s to the point where they were a lot better, and with a few more tweaks they could have been awesome.. As I’ve said before… clear out the center of the DBL and make it a nice big battle ground.. That would be WAY better than the Alpine (which really isn’t as great for field fighting as people like to suggest). You would then have the two things people wanted to see. More variety in the BL’s, and a good place for field fighting other than EB which is where most people go to blob anyway.

One of the “problems” with the poll on the DBL’s was that it was put out way too soon after the switch back to Alpine and everyone was running around in heaven ( at the moment ) because of the switch back. As you can see the poll would look different now than it did at that time because many people are already bored (again) with the Alpine BL’s. People state that it’s better fighting in Alpine… I have to ask.. where the heck is the fighting? It’s almost ALL in EB still. Alpine maps seem to have people when EB is mostly full (once again). The complaints I saw (and gave) about roaming being a problem are mostly gone now. It’s pretty easy to roam the BL’s once again since so few people really are on them except during prime time… and even then most are on EB.

Personally I prefer the DBL’s. Gives the Roamers a great place to go… and the blob fighters will continue to go to EB where they mostly go now!

100% agree that this limitation should be taken off! I have no idea why anyone would argue against it except maybe that these are the same people that argue against everything like trolls like to do. Seriously… I will never understand why some people do what they do for no good reason… Please get rid of this limitation… it makes no sense and benefits nobody really.

When it comes to camps in my opinion it really doesn’t matter except maybe for the small havoc teams. Even with a team of 7 people you can deplete the camp without the +5 running…. and with the big groups that run these days now with the linking the +5 really doesn’t mean much. Claiming Keeps really is the only thing that means anything. Camps and towers flip so much a lot of the time that it really doesn’t matter much. Claim it if you want to see your banner.. if people whine.. ignore them… :P

lolol… there is NO way you will avoid the people that just live to complain… Regardless of how you slice it someone will find a way to say you are doing it wrong. ah yes… popcorn mode on… chillin… and waiting for DBL’s to come back to make me smile more.. hehe..

One of the things I’ve noticed is that you can typically see people that are on the server you are on but not the other server. That is, if you are on FA for example and looking to see where some players are that happen to be on BP, sometimes you will see them, sometimes you won’t… even when you’re partied/squaded up with them you don’t always see all members the same way. Some are a big white dot and some are just the plain regular dots. I can be in a party and the party members on my server I can see everywhere… the ones that are not on my server but are on the host/slave server show up as normal dots and I have to look for. Very frustrating to say the least.

Sorry but this is yet another instance of where the ‘linked’ server is getting the short end of the stick

DBL as it was was terrible for WvW yes. DBL as it was just before going back to Alpine was pretty good. Much easier to get around. They really should get rid of the garbage in the middle of the map so we can have a open fighting ground though. Not that people really fight in the open much. Most of the fight we have been encountering lately involve people on the other servers running the other way on an open field, but fighting from behind a wall, or when they are pretty sure they have bigger numbers. (Not kidding about this!). From what I can see Alpine is slowly becoming the “desert” land it was before HoT came out… it’s so much easier to roam around now since many people seem to have dropped back out of WvW.

HoT “killed” a lot of WvW due to the way the Guild Halls were linked to everything and people literally had to leave WvW to do a huge amount of farming etc just to get their halls upgraded to be useful for WvW claiming etc. The original DBL layout didn’t help either. But the way it’s laid out now is much better. Considering the fact that except for in EB (and even then people hide in keeps and towers still), people don’t really fight in the so called open fields of the Alpine BL’s I don’t see what all the whining is about against the DBL’s. They truly aren’t that bad. Most people still just go to EB unless they want to come back and defend something on their BL, otherwise the Alpine maps are not super populated a lot of the time.

Go DBL!

Ah. Back to GW1.

Moved off of the low tier server.. couldn’t care less about linking schedules now… I get to stay right where I am, yay.

Always a silver lining if you look for it…

Jim Hunter.6821:

Irene.9340:

I don’t really post in forums so I’m gonna be brief – after reading all these comments and having voted, I only see 2-3 supporting the server re-linking or re-evaluation (however you wanna call it in this case) for over 4 or even 6 months.
As another person said in this thread, having WvW matchups changing as often as a month or 2 or even 3 is just very very unstable. This is WvW remember not EoTM. Having servers swap around so much and often can only be harmful in the end.

- No server will have stable population or at least its not guaranteed that it will have stable population in order for it to balance out the fights against the other 2 servers competing.
- People usually in WvW use ts3 and coordination gets really hard when there is new people coming in every 4 weeks. Gather, meet, have them listen etc.
- In relation to the previous one, not only its hard to coordinate, its even harder to get certain groups of people or guilds going specific times a day to cover WvW 24/7. This just means you need to know there are certain players and loyal WvW’ers who do that.
- Also, the servers you merge together may not even be half interested in WvW anyway, so the server to which they are merged to initially is left to do all the work again without having the right support.

I don’t know, these are just few of my points here but honestly I really think the 1 to 3 month options are just a bad idea. It doesn’t help stabilize things, it messes them up more.

Honestly, at this point stable is overrated.
Switching links up more often will help retain server identity for the smaller servers and add more variety to the match ups. As of right now the largest thread on the first page is people kittening that they are sitting out of WvW this week because the match up is stale and they already know who will win in each tier.
If we can get fresh match ups more often it will help keep people interested in playing.

How can switching links more often retain server identity for the smaller servers??? We already don’t have a server identity as it is… now you think that moving us from host to host will give us more of an identity? I have already mostly lost interest in WvW because my server, Borlis Pass, is simply a hosted server and as such is subject to moving at the next server link switch. Right now I could switch to a ‘host’ server but then I will have moved away from the people I’ve played with for years. Yes I still get to play with my peeps that I enjoy … but now if/when I do it’s simply for a bit of fun with them, and NOT for any sort of server gain, other than to help out the host of the term.

Now that it is confirmed that world linking will continue and that I can be moved from host server to host server at whatever the given interval is I can now confirm that my big WvW days are over. I might pop in now and then if I see a friend in there but now that I know that I have NO home server other than whatever server is hosting what used to be my home server I really don’t feel the desire to go in. Still can’t get supplies from Citadel because I don’t really belong to Fort Aspenwood.

No I’m not whining… if this is what the majority wants then so be it ( and I do NOT believe the majority of the low tier servers want this, just the overall majority which is made up of the big servers ). As I said in another post in another forum.. this isn’t for me and now that it’s confirmed I am done with WvW… and since I don’t really like PvE much I probably won’t be in there much either. 95% WvW participation to maybe 5% in one big shot… byeeeee

lol… I prefer the DBL’s… and if this happens I expect they will be much like the DBL’s were before.. actually probably even more deserted unfortunately… I would love DBL’s with action… but if there is a mix then at least there will be some easy pickin’s… unless people decide to go to their DBL and defend it.. unlike in the past… :P

Basically what I’m saying is that with a mix it’s more likely that people will go to wherever the Alpine BL’s are and EB and mostly leave the DBL alone… That’s my bet anyway…

leasm.1279:

Puck.9612:

Yeah you need to get siege blue prints. Superior siege cost more supply but does more damage. Catapults are better than rams when running solo

Thanks. But trying this seems the most basic ram costs 40 supply, and I can carry only 10. This means I need to go back and forth several times to build anything solo?

leasm: Here is a decent place to start. It contains the basic mechanics of WvW. Some things are different since HoT came in to play but this will at the very least give you some good insight into WvW and how most of it works.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World

And as someone said try to find a guild that runs in WvW on your server. (I don’t see it mentioned what server you are on). If you are this serious about learning then you will find people that are really willing to help.

One more thing… go to metabattle.com and check out the builds there. This site contains builds for all the classes for all areas of the game including WvW. It’s a very good place to start to find a roaming build for your character then tweak it from there as you learn what works and doesn’t work for you.

Loosmaster.8263:

Ariel.6291:

Actually, one of the worst things about this, is that all the folks who have been so angry about linking that they were not playing WvW during this time, where never given any notice or opportunity to vote.

So, the people who hated this the most were excluded from the polling. Talk about a fixed vote.

The communication was here. Sorry they don’t visit the forum. The old saying “Ignorance is no excuse”. If you are truly interested in this game mode, they should be monitoring this forum.

Making reading the forums some sort of requirement to take part in something that affects the game is ridiculous. ANY poll that affects the game should be announced to ALL players IN GAME or sent to their registered email(ANet has those for things like this). Not just to someone who leveled up in WvW. Making it just for someone who leveled up in WvW, especially way after the fact like it was done, is simply exclusionary and not fair.

Diku: In my humble opinion after reading lots of your very good posts as well as the well thought out posts of many of the other people in the “lower tier” servers I have honestly reached the conclusion that this kind of thing is happening..

Person in favor ( including ANet ) reads posts in here and in his/her mind: yes, yes, yes, blah blah blah, yes yes yes yes, blah blah blah… etc. They aren’t going to change what they’re doing. They will continue to use the so called majority to justify what they have already decided a while back no doubt in “brain storming” sessions with people that truly don’t understand the great culture that had been built in WvW until the big changes started happening. Honestly this will be my last post in here. Like you I will no doubt go into WvW… but I stopped tagging up a long time ago and won’t be doing it anytime soon with the small exception of guild mission squads, and even that the tag can be dropped after forming the squad. My days of going into WvW EVERY DAY for hours are over. I now go into WvW now and then and usually only for an hour or so (used to be 4-6 hour runs for me almost every day).

This culture that some of us talk about doesn’t matter really to anyone but our so called minority and after the dust clears and everything is settled, if it keeps going the way it is right now, WvW will turn into what you suggested above… a fast paced 24×7 fight fest action film that gets tiring… well it’s already tiring for me. I still find quiet times now and then but it’s few and far between and so on and so on.

Place your head firmly between your legs and kiss BP goodbye… As a home server it’s gone. As a community many are still fighting for identity. (can’t even get sups from citadel because we are nomads). … and WHEN we are moved to yet another server we will continue to be pugs with no identity other than the inside one we create for ourselves. We can’t even really join a guild in WvW on the Host server and expect it to be permanent since we will soon be most likely gone from there… oh @#$% I’m rambling.. I’ll stop now… Loaded the game today, looked at the screen, logged out. This is a first for me… and probably not the last…

and fwiw.. I’m not angry so this isn’t an angry post. I thought about it a lot.. it’s how I feel about what I see and I’m just worn out… that’s all…

Aezyr.5304:

OriOri.8724:

Aezyr.5304:

TallBarr.2184:

Aezyr.5304:

- Mixed Borderlands – no thank you. DBL needs further tweaks (position of towers, shrine buffs, lords).

- World Linking Schedule – 3 month is too long. Linked servers need to be locked at least half into the scheduled time.

- Deployable Mortars – no thank you.

- Deployable Cannos – no thank you.

- Repair Hammer – no thank you.

Position of lords and shrines?

But you are fine with invurnerable trebs pressuring north towers in alpine from keep making them irrelevant?

Locked worlds less than 3 months “looks at signature” Piken oh nvm.

You think it is healthy that via linking we have now a even more cheap way to stack on a specific server? The bandwagoners we got a cupple month ago are now on Vabbi and Deso (your server I assume) got influx from SFR too (again via Vabbi). This bandwagon train will choo choo again when the links getting shuffled.

Lords: Don’t have a problem with the position of those lords but their “special” abilities. We have realy good fights in keeps/garri now again but on DBL the attacking team is on a disadvantage.

Towers: That goes both ways. You can preassure garrision from those towers too. If you were talking about trebs in invulnerable positions in citadel then I agree those need to get removed. It’s imho an exploit.

Your sig: EotM much?

That’s kind of the point, no? The attacking team should be at a disadvantage when trying to take a tower or keep. The whole point of having an upgraded tower/keep is that as defenders you don’t need a zerg the size of the attacking force or larger to successfully defend. You should be able to defend with a smaller force if your players are any good.

In this thread the only real complaints I have seen against DBL is that it actually forces people to play differently. It doesn’t let you hide your trebs in a keep and attack other towers safely or vice versa, its less conducive to giant zergs (which not all WvW players enjoy) and its harder to just faceroll a Lord to take a structure. Its just complaints from people that don’t want to have to adjust their style of play.

Thats why you have walls and gates but I don’t realy like to fight an enemy zerg inside lords room while our entire attacking group is getting feared constantly into lava.

lolol… you got feared into the lava more than once? It wasn’t hard to figure out how to not be feared into that lava… but I digress… this isn’t about the lava… it’s about a poll that HASN’T HAPPENED YET… lol!

hey I want to climb up on the sw camp supply shack and deploy cannons up there and camp the camp.. woot!

omg, roflmao… UPCOMING POLLS…. I already see the only one that I really cared about a lot and that was relinking. I see it’s here to stay. pfft… Not many people that I know really want to bounce from host to host as a bunch of pugs (but of course we are the minority by virtue of our server numbers in the lower tiers). Seriously this gives us zero home at all. Just a place where we can go and fight with different people… read EoTM.

As I said before… Majority rules… even though that majority was mostly already playing in the host servers. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter what the pug servers wanted or enjoyed. This has, or is being, done to keep the majority happy. I truly hope it does. My play time has already been dropped drastically although I know I will pop in now and then with friends.. I no longer spend over 90% of my time in WvW. I’m not whining and pouting, I just don’t like the big zerg/blob life. If I can get in with some friends at ‘low’ times then it’s more fun. They’re there, just not easy to find all the time. Last night actually was a lot of smaller groups running around, not sure where the blobbers went but I suppose maybe EB. Our group fought the battle of the host homeland. If ANet can tell me that if the mergers stick, that we will remain with the host we are at and not be bounced around like pugs then I will learn to live with that. But the moment I am suddenly on a new host with a new “home” then I can guarantee that my engagement in WvW will drop even more. If I want to pug for nothing in particular then I can go to EoTM.

Also, to the HoT comments… People stopped going into WvW for a while after HoT came in because they realized that they had to farm the HoT areas and all over Tyria for the mats needed for their guild hall upgrades, which includes all the WvW claiming buffs. ANet unintentionally pulled many many people out of WvW due to this. Two of the guilds I belong to pretty much stopped WvW altogether for about 3 weeks while we busted our butts trying to get our halls upgraded to the point where it would be useful in WvW.

@Ultra… agree with you there… and I don’t want to see a situation where the bl’s are dead all the time either. I don’t even totally disagree with merging lower/higher tier servers but if we are to do that make it a permanent change and give everyone an identity that they are fighting for. Not just fighting for the sake of fighting because even that gets stale after a while. Right now as a low server ( BP ) I have no real home, and no real investment in fighting for the “homeland” since I am well aware that it’s most likely that my “homeland” will be somewhere else in a few months. How much fun is that? Switching servers would just be a stupid waste of gems since you can only switch to low pop servers and they will be moved around as well. See the problem? My main complaint isn’t about the merger itself but the way this beta is being run. If ANet is truly going to expect people in the low pop servers to continue to be tossed around from host to host and not get really tired of it they are wrong. I used to spend at least 95% of my time in WvW. Now I just go in when I see friends in there and feel like running with them for a bit… and that’s probably 25% of the time at best.

I do understand that the majority gets to rule, and that as we know are the populations on the host servers. At the end of all of this the low pop servers still have no real representation in this process and are mostly being called whiners by the people that are established and not being tossed around. Seriously, all I want is a server that is HOME. Preferably BP if possible, but somewhere other than a floating team of pugs.

I’m not sure if this was mentioned anywhere in the 5 pages of posts here… but at the end of the day the majority of people voting would naturally be the people on the BIG Host servers. The minority is the server group that has been merged. With that fact alone it’s pretty clear to me that this vote will “pass” to keep world linking since the minority’s voice is still NOT being considered, period. imo

yes that’s true… but when you’re actually in WvW and the friend is one of your enemy host sites then you can see where they are. At least the last time I checked I could.. and it was correct.

well… seems I can’t whisper as easy as I could before now, but I can still see where my ‘friends’ are.. lol

lol, here’s an interesting wrinkle to this merger stuff. I am on BP.. ANY player who is on one of the opposing HOST sites is available to me to whisper to and friend ( from within WvW ) since they are not actually my opposition. I have a friend on one of the other host sites and I can see which borderland his zerg/blob is on just by looking at my friends list. Also, since I have NO home borderland anymore even the Citadel waypoint was NOT open to my new character until I used the B option to bring up the screen and go to the FA Borderlands.

The bottom line is that since I am not friends or enemies with any of the high tier host servers I can easily see which bl any of them are on at any time I want just by friending someone… Now how’s THAT for a nice little spy tactic.. bwahaaaa… gotta love this ridiculous merger stuff.

Do it right, or don’t do it at all!

Smashie: I hear you totally and agree completely. I keep going back in there for bits at a time but I'm also going in less and less. Today I gave it the "good ol' college try" but with outnumbered showing most of the time and enemy camped at pretty much every camp we couldn't even run a guild mission. I don't like the PvE guild missions but it's looking like I'm going to have to stop going into WvW and start spending my time getting used to PvE again. I like the talent shows... but I usually watch them AFTER I've had my wvw time... This week I've watched my shows first for a change then spent a short bit of time in GW2 poking around... If only ANet would do this poll they said they would do, and then do something about whatever the results were. Leaving things as they are is disheartening to say the least. I like a lot of the people on FA that I have met, but it's their server... and we will likely be tossed off to a different server before we know it. In that regard I have nothing really left to play WvW for except for missions ( which can barely be done ) and maybe to run with a few friends when they're on. Other than that I don't give a rats a@ much about what is and isn’t capped anymore.

Frankly, this level of WvW play is very very little strategy… GET IN TS! Jeez come on guys get into TS now and follow your commander!… LEFT, RIGHT, BACK, BOMB, WATER.. blahblahblah… such is the life of a blob/zergling… Do most people on these servers really care about their keeps/towers? Not from what I can see… for the most part it’s about the fights. Random havoc groups here and there but too many people to do the cool sneaky stuff that some of our groups used to do on the medium/lower level servers. Things you could get away with because there wasn’t just blobs of people everywhere. There isn’t much more satisfying than stealing a keep from underneath somebody as they fight someone else for example, ( and they don’t k now it until it’s too late ). Those days are gone in the new order of things. People keep yapping about pvd and crap like that.. Those people really do NOT know how things work in the world of lower populations where you can actually have a good fight or skirmish for an object without blobbing, and where you can actually have some fun wreaking havoc here and there without being blobbed to death. The high pop server folks don’t understand what this is really like ( for the most part I think ), and the devs definitely seem to think that this is a part of the game that’s not useful. Both are wrong. I have nothing at all against the blob/zerg groups that love doing that. I’m not one of them.

At the end of the day a “merge” of sorts is probably a good idea. But doing it this way where the bottom servers are attached to a host server that is playing for its points and “home”, and knowing that us bottom servers are likely going to be tossed to yet another host in the coming weeks is not fun.

Some have suggested merging the bottom servers together into NEWLY named servers so that at least then they have a “home” to defend and yes, some bigger numbers to defend it with. I think that’s one of the best ideas.

Leaving things the way they are right now with us having zero say in where we go (except to yet another low tier server that will likely be moved somewhere else) just makes me, for one, feel like a nomad… I enjoy the blobs once in a while… but I have no real ownership on Fort Aspenwood. We are referred to as “family”, and the people in FA are great to run with and appreciate our help when we give it… but we all know we are transient and most likely will be gone to another server before too long.

My thoughts:

1. Keep the mergers as they are permanently and make us all one, under either the Host name or even a new hybrid name.

or

2. Merge the lower tiers as suggested above.

or

3. Put it back the way it was… (and I’m pretty sure that ANet seriously doesn’t want to, and likely won’t, do that without some sort of majority vote)

I will definitely NOT be back into the game (esp WvW ) until I see a post stating this has been fixed.

lol, definitely the update… on a map with 8 people fighting 8 people ( roughly ), I don’t think it’s enough to cause instability.. :P

Straegen: I’m running i7 with at 2.4 ghz – and I am running the 64bit GW2. Yes I have fps drops when big numbers are on screen but never the lag people talk about. To top it all off I run in windowed mode, never full screen… lol, is it because ASUS just makes a better gaming laptop than most desktops? maybe?

FIVE TIMES NOW in the last half hour! Seriously ANet.. please fix this update you just put on asap.

Straegen.2938:

Best I can tell is that the game is bound by the CPU and hamstrung by its networking code. You can basically load the game on the most bad kitten rig and it will still perform graphically like a dog when a lot is going on.

My machine must be super bad xxxx then since I don’t have the problems described here at any time even when 3 blobs are in the same spot fighting. As I said above, I’m seriously not boasting anything… just stating that in my own personal experience it does make a difference when you have ALL things running well: Good CPU, separate high performing graphics card with own memory, very high speed internet and so on. I run the highest settings on everything in GW2. .. and I’m on a laptop… Maybe I’m just lucky?

Shared scoring doesn’t make sense to me in any way regardless of how you look at it. EoTM as we know is a grouping of servers with anybodies guess on how many of a given server are on it. Add to that the fact that it’s really simply a place where people go to run around getting xp, karma, loot, whatever with no real investment in “WvW proper” for the most part. I have run in EoTM and other than capping keeps, towers etc mindlessly there isn’t much of a resemblance between that and WvW to me. Ya you fight people and cap things… But there’s NO server specific stuff going on in there. People aren’t there in organized groups, unless you call the zerg/blob following the commander ( or commanders when they fight over who wants to lead/troll )… and so on…
Bottom line… it’s not WvW… it doesn’t represent “my” server in any way and in no way would I want to see EoTM activity having any affect on the real WvW scoring. Just my opinion of course.

One further note… really if you want EoTM to be an extension of WvW then make EoTM LIKE WvW. One EoTM map per 3 servers and do NOT megaserver them. THAT would make it usable as an additional battle ground for the 3 battling servers each week. lol… oh ya, I think they call that: Eternal Battlegrounds…. :P

Hopefully the powers that be also see this as a more complex and not so very good idea. I won’t even to into my own details because I’ve seen them posted here by so many other people. Nothing like this will change the face of wvw in any way that resembles better… imo.

I hear a lot about this issue from other people but almost never experience it and I run with the highest settings on everything. I do believe it can, at times, have a lot to do with the type of system the game is running on, whether or not the memory is shared between video and cpu, and so on. Also the internet speed you run I believe would make a difference as well. I actually run GW2 on a ASUS gaming laptop and don’t have any issues when all three blobs are on the same screen fighting. My fps rate is typically between 55-80 except when blobbing… then it can drop down to around 30 at worst. (Note: this is not a brag, it’s an observation based on what I’m running, and it makes a difference imo).

Empty? Lol. By t1 standards maybe…

@Ven Zehn:
Ven, what you said was: “but you will likely lack any sort of coordination, and sort of solidarity to be of any threat to the top tiers.”

No you didn’t say low-skilled… but you clearly assumed that the lower servers were likely to be uncoordinated and basically a scattered lot of people that didn’t know how to work together. Apparently you never met the folks on Borlis Pass. I believe FA is doing not too bad with our group there.

On another note, it’s kind of sad to see what TedLast put in here about trolls destroying siege etc. Sadly there are idiots like that, who for some reason, obviously aren’t here to play the game and enjoy it.

I love playing with FA and if/when they move BP to another host ( which I think is a ridiculous thing to do to the hosted servers ), then it will show to me at least that they seem to care more about apparent server population adjustments than they do about the people playing. That’s just my opinion if it happens…

One final note about “server pride”. It really is real for some people. I have some friends that had been on Borlis Pass since the beginning and as much as they love the havoc and fights they loved our community just as much. The folks on BP that have always been there stayed there because of the rapport we all have. Most of the rhetoric I see in here slams people that talk about server pride. I have no problem with people that just want to fight and blob and don’t care where they are. But server pride is real for many people, and there are people that have decided to stop playing due to these mergers. Minority yes, but true. They’re not being babies, it’s just how they feel. The babies are the idiot trolls that continue to play and destroy siege and sabotage the servers they are currently playing “for”. Those people should be identified and banned, imo.

From what I hear, it’s not if but when they decide to switch the bottom servers around. So don’t waste your gems moving to a low server to play with your friends… in a few months you’ll likely just be disappointed as you get switched away from that host server your friends are on.

@Daemonne: I’ve heard other people talk about transferring “down”. Down where? There really isn’t much of a down.. it’s either big blobs or smaller blobs… the days of the “little” server skirmishes are all but over. Transferring “down” to a lower server is not what it used to be.. :P

lol Josh… I don’t think the average player skill is any better on any one server. There are exceptional players and groups that you can find almost anywhere. But even on these “big” servers most of the people seem to just blob around and many of them run like rats when they encounter a tight guild group that knows how to fight. Or, as the enemy did a couple nights ago ( they outnumbered us easily 2 to 1 ), they hid in SM and jumped down everytime they thought we were leaving, then we came back and either killed or chased them back inside, again and again… I am BP… One could say that because BP was a T6 server they had poor players… or you could be more accurate and say that we simply didn’t have the blob numbers that are out there now. We had, and still have some very good players and groups… and now they have more people to link with (which some of us are doing) to make more fun!

I hated the switch at first.. I’m loving it now… for myself, I don’t want to go back to a situation where most of the day is pvd…

Totally agree with this!

Seriously… it’s not like we’re winning money for these matches… At the end of the day does the score even matter other than hopefully matching servers up with similar server levels? I don’t look at the score, don’t look at the tick… it’s about the fights and the fun. Man if I spent my time stressing about the !@#$ score there would be no fun in this game at all. The current scoring system isn’t a problem imo… Coverage is the problem here and there and there’s NOTHING anyone can do about that unless ANet wants to force NA and EU people to play on their own geographic server locations instead of swapping around.

Can it have anything to do with the type of system you might be running? Shared video memory? Machine not powerful enough? I only ask this because I run GW2 on a laptop, ASUS Gaming machine and I’ve had some minor lag once in the last few months. Most of the time regardless of the number of people on the map, ( 2 nights ago all three of our servers were fighting in the same spot.. probably 130 people or more ), I have zero performance problems. I also have a very high speed internet. and NO I’m not bragging… being serious and wondering if it’s an architecture issue at the user end or really something that ANet needs to address so that the “average” player can actually enjoy the game. :P