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I don’t know why but. . .
I LOVE THE NAME! Can’t wait for the POI this week. I bet it’ll be fantastic!
As a charr i detest it. Beeing a scrapper (and its indeed originating from the charr scrappers) is a punishment for beeing consistently insubordinate, unreliable, or troublesome and there is zero respect for a scrapper in the legions. A scrapper is seen as an untrustworthy troublemaker…and last time i checked i was an iron legion centurio and commander of the pact aswell high ranked member of an order and sort of a big deal all arround. Beeing a scrapper is basically the opposide of that and its quite a big punch under the belt line to be fully honest.
Player charr quote from personal story: “Scrappers? Lowlife scavengers.”
Someone on Reddit has something real interesting to say about it from a lore perspective. I’m not into RP, but I found this to be a good point of view and if this came from Anet and not just the author’s own ideas that’s a pretty dynamic way to evolve the lore in game.
Basically words change meaning over time and Scrapper could be evolving from a negative term to a more positive one. This happens in real life all the time. Read here (if you can read French you may be able to get more context from the article itself):
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3l6kw0/and_the_french_translation_of_scrapper_is/
i did read it and its sorta kinda stupid….cause since when does convict labour become something to look up to? You dun goofd hence you do it and there is nothing glorios about that. A charr scrapper dun goofd big time to become that, cause charr take their military stuff pretty darn serios. Where is the honor in that?
Sure.. some elite spec names are (depending on who you ask) stupid…like the dragon hunter, we all sorta hunt dragons afterall. But how does beeing punished for beeing a nuisance to an army inspires other races?“oy look at these scrapper charrs overthere, they are so awesome how they do convict labour cause they are bad soldiers. I wonder what this warband did to get this far? Ignore orders? Run from battle? Wow man i gotta join their cause to be the least respected members of the charr army… cant imagine anything better. They clearly know whats up.”
Really now man.. thats not inspiring, thats like i would say to you “hey look at these guys with their orange vests besides the police officer picking up garbage cause they get punished for their offences to the law. Arent they amazing doing the stuff that a judge said they gotta do?”
Nah man.. really nope. The name “scrapper” is not bad on its own.. but the meaning behind it is a really mean move from the devs. Atleast in my eyes.
Scrappers aren’t convicts.
You might want to read the link that I found for you, to me most of your post doesn’t make sense without the context of that link.
At this point I’m convinced you’re just trolling lol. There’s no way people take the name of a skill tree this seriously, even if you are a role player. Them naming the Specialization line -Scrapper- means what to your character? Nothing. You taking that line has no significant meaning on your role played character. You can still be a “Centurion-Mega-Avatar of Knightly Magnificence-Brightest Jewel of Tyria” from the Iron Legion.
in fact i DO take this seriosly. I might be alone on this one.. but i sorta kinda hoped for some form of dignity for the engi class for once. A name thats sorta kitten …like chronomancer, reaper, berserker effin druid i mean they are perfectly fitting. Heck even dragon hunter is better. They clearly give of the feel the class advanced towards something awesome. A time bender, a hellish scythe swinging master of the dead, a very angry dude that twists your arms out of your joints and lights himself on fire and so on… and what does engi get? A scrap collector…yea… wouldnt want anything that says “yeap i surely do have advanced my craft” Instead of advancing the materials and technology(maybe even on the level of pact technology cause that would make sence given that the pact joined forces and sorta use now stuff designed with elements from all races) the engineer works with to do his stuff he starts using junk and names himself after one of the lowest ranks of the charr army? Yay? Hype? Hell no. You got no idea how often the nope meter broke on this one for me.
Why not Besieger? Forgemaster? Machinist? Pioneer? Constructor? Demolisher? Metallurgist like hinted in the PS with taimi? Mechanic? Handyman? Inventor? Anything thats not so degrading and in my opinion just a kick into the gears.
I don’t know why but. . .
I LOVE THE NAME! Can’t wait for the POI this week. I bet it’ll be fantastic!
As a charr i detest it. Beeing a scrapper (and its indeed originating from the charr scrappers) is a punishment for beeing consistently insubordinate, unreliable, or troublesome and there is zero respect for a scrapper in the legions. A scrapper is seen as an untrustworthy troublemaker…and last time i checked i was an iron legion centurio and commander of the pact aswell high ranked member of an order and sort of a big deal all arround. Beeing a scrapper is basically the opposide of that and its quite a big punch under the belt line to be fully honest.
Player charr quote from personal story: “Scrappers? Lowlife scavengers.”
Someone on Reddit has something real interesting to say about it from a lore perspective. I’m not into RP, but I found this to be a good point of view and if this came from Anet and not just the author’s own ideas that’s a pretty dynamic way to evolve the lore in game.
Basically words change meaning over time and Scrapper could be evolving from a negative term to a more positive one. This happens in real life all the time. Read here (if you can read French you may be able to get more context from the article itself):
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3l6kw0/and_the_french_translation_of_scrapper_is/
i did read it and its sorta kinda stupid….cause since when does convict labour become something to look up to? You dun goofd hence you do it and there is nothing glorios about that. A charr scrapper dun goofd big time to become that, cause charr take their military stuff pretty darn serios. Where is the honor in that?
Sure.. some elite spec names are (depending on who you ask) stupid…like the dragon hunter, we all sorta hunt dragons afterall. But how does beeing punished for beeing a nuisance to an army inspires other races?“oy look at these scrapper charrs overthere, they are so awesome how they do convict labour cause they are bad soldiers. I wonder what this warband did to get this far? Ignore orders? Run from battle? Wow man i gotta join their cause to be the least respected members of the charr army… cant imagine anything better. They clearly know whats up.”
Really now man.. thats not inspiring, thats like i would say to you “hey look at these guys with their orange vests besides the police officer picking up garbage cause they get punished for their offences to the law. Arent they amazing doing the stuff that a judge said they gotta do?”
Nah man.. really nope. The name “scrapper” is not bad on its own.. but the meaning behind it is a really mean move from the devs. Atleast in my eyes.
Scrappers aren’t convicts.
You might want to read the link that I found for you, to me most of your post doesn’t make sense without the context of that link.
I don’t know why but. . .
I LOVE THE NAME! Can’t wait for the POI this week. I bet it’ll be fantastic!
As a charr i detest it. Beeing a scrapper (and its indeed originating from the charr scrappers) is a punishment for beeing consistently insubordinate, unreliable, or troublesome and there is zero respect for a scrapper in the legions. A scrapper is seen as an untrustworthy troublemaker…and last time i checked i was an iron legion centurio and commander of the pact aswell high ranked member of an order and sort of a big deal all arround. Beeing a scrapper is basically the opposide of that and its quite a big punch under the belt line to be fully honest.
Player charr quote from personal story: “Scrappers? Lowlife scavengers.”
Someone on Reddit has something real interesting to say about it from a lore perspective. I’m not into RP, but I found this to be a good point of view and if this came from Anet and not just the author’s own ideas that’s a pretty dynamic way to evolve the lore in game.
Basically words change meaning over time and Scrapper could be evolving from a negative term to a more positive one. This happens in real life all the time. Read here (if you can read French you may be able to get more context from the article itself):
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3l6kw0/and_the_french_translation_of_scrapper_is/
i did read it and its sorta kinda stupid….cause since when does convict labour become something to look up to? You dun goofd hence you do it and there is nothing glorios about that. A charr scrapper dun goofd big time to become that, cause charr take their military stuff pretty darn serios. Where is the honor in that?
Sure.. some elite spec names are (depending on who you ask) stupid…like the dragon hunter, we all sorta hunt dragons afterall. But how does beeing punished for beeing a nuisance to an army inspires other races?
“oy look at these scrapper charrs overthere, they are so awesome how they do convict labour cause they are bad soldiers. I wonder what this warband did to get this far? Ignore orders? Run from battle? Wow man i gotta join their cause to be the least respected members of the charr army… cant imagine anything better. They clearly know whats up.”
Really now man.. thats not inspiring, thats like i would say to you “hey look at these guys with their orange vests besides the police officer picking up garbage cause they get punished for their offences to the law. Arent they amazing doing the stuff that a judge said they gotta do?”
Nah man.. really nope. The name “scrapper” is not bad on its own.. but the meaning behind it is a really mean move from the devs. Atleast in my eyes.
I don’t know why but. . .
I LOVE THE NAME! Can’t wait for the POI this week. I bet it’ll be fantastic!
As a charr i detest it. Beeing a scrapper (and its indeed originating from the charr scrappers) is a punishment for beeing consistently insubordinate, unreliable, or troublesome and there is zero respect for a scrapper in the legions. A scrapper is seen as an untrustworthy troublemaker…and last time i checked i was an iron legion centurio and commander of the pact aswell high ranked member of an order and sort of a big deal all arround. Beeing a scrapper is basically the opposide of that and its quite a big punch under the belt line to be fully honest.
Player charr quote from personal story: “Scrappers? Lowlife scavengers.”
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reading Basaltfaces comment lets me almost feel bad for you engis. im not an engi main. i just run through all the forums sometimes and other classes have the complete opposite opinion about you. like:
engis: “we dont want hobosacks”
anet: “ok” (which as u said needed 3 years)engis “we dont like new mortar animation”
anet “ok” (but the new one is even worse)engis “turret engi is free wins for months and they do nothing”
anet “yeah” (and then they completely destroy it)engi “without speedy kits we dont have 100% swiftness without doing kitten”
anet “sry we will instantly double the swiftness on streamlined kits”for other professions it seemed like for a long time if an engi wants it he gets it. but this is clearly not the case. atm they are working on the elite specs anyways so its not the time but keep on discussing. ok ignore me and continue
engineer was even nerfed with the trait patch. anet gave us a lot of awful traits and broke a lot of our trait synergy.
…a lot puts it mildly man…
In about 12 hours we’ll have a pretty good idea (I believe mmorpg.com has the Wednesday article that will likely go up ~9am PST).
I see a lot of comparisons to Necro minions, but hardly any reference to how much improved their minion AI has been since the recent patch. Every Necro I’ve talked to (and I also agree) says minions are actually good now and pretty fun to use. If that AI is used on drones I am open minded.
Still, I would rather not see AI. We’ll have to see how it plays out though, it’s not like the elite specs so far have had predictable mechanics to them at all. It could be something completely unexpected. No need to speculate anymore though I’m going to bed and waking up to the truth
Except that AI should be kept to PvE. It get unbalanced too quickly in PvP
and in pve it aggros mobs or doesnt do what it should do and isnt liked very much either.
scrapper huh… well i cant say i like that one at all
I just hope it will get a good translation in my native language.
Sappeur would be nice.
I would be totally fine with forge or forgeman or something along these lines i mean we are engineers, thats pretty darn cool and quite a big deal in the gw universe, building (in theory) airships, tanks, siege weapons and many other mechanical miracles…but kittening scrapper? Reference to our cheap looking kits, massive nerfs and constant bugs maybe? Makes sence that way.. cause we often make our builds from scrap… Subpar stuff that people throw usually on a junkyard. Yea.. good one a-net why not right away trashy or waster..isnt like id like some form of dignity.
And yes id take sappeur or pioneer or something along these lines too anytime…especially over scrapper.
Is the armor from that pic currently obtainable? o_____________o
magitech armor from the gem store… pretty much one of the very VERY view medium armors that look like they are made for engineers…whats pretty sad. Its available since 2 years now atleast and costs 800 gems. The helmet is the specialisation armor piece and isnt available atm
well magitech armor i think is okayish for an engineer…but i still think we are lacking armors that actually look like a medieval engineer – magitech looks way too futuristic for my taste…id rather want something that looks like an ork mekboy
http://cfs9.tistory.com/image/7/tistory/2008/10/06/17/35/48e9cdb8dcbf2im also curious about why they suddenly went for lightning instead of fire…interesting tough
I agree, I hope they don’t got the idea to let go of the steampunk theme for a more scifi theme.
About the “lightning instead of fire” thing …. it isn’t instead, it is both. We still get the explosive looking rocket charge we saw in the trailer, but also getting some electric devices for the hammer. As long as I get another block for my engi, I’m fine with that.
And I hope the AA of the hammer is looking quite explosive. Would really enjoy that.
If it would be me.. engi armor would look like this.. but we cant have that, generic coats only all the way…isnt like engineers would carry a kittenload of machines and tools arround…same counts btw for the other mediums.. completely different fighting styles\needs for armor. Well.. magitech atleast got some mechanical elements in its design
they usually have armors that hint more towards a certain class….i think anet also needs to think more in PARTS regarding armor – why not have a “generic” medium armor, but one part of it has a druid theme or a engi theme, so that you can mix and match and include and exclude parts from other armors – this would also encourage more style variations while still making all armors viable for everyone instead of the situation that they are either generic or too specific…
regarding lightning field…well, lightning field just isnt THAT gread… whirl finisher is kinda nice if you can stack vulnerability fast…but swiftness and daze meh…
the thing with “hinting” is that it stays rather generic. If it would be me the armors would be ALL full out profession styled. No doubt that this one here is a thief sneaking suit with knives all over the place and poison vials and satchels full of smoke bombs and that one over there is an engineer´s armor with its toolbelt full of wrenches and protective goggles while that thing over there is clearly meant for a ranger with its hunting trophies and fur hide shoulders. Less generic parts mean more distinct looks and mix and match does the rest. You can come up with so many epic looks that way. A “steampunk” thief that appreciates charr firearms and armors to aid him in battle, a norn engineer that decorates his armor with hunting trophies and mementos from hoelbrak to always have a bit of his roots with him, a ranger that prevers the more sneaky route to get to his prey and so much more.
Before i de-rail the topic too much i gonna shut up now
Is the armor from that pic currently obtainable? o_____________o
magitech armor from the gem store… pretty much one of the very VERY view medium armors that look like they are made for engineers…whats pretty sad. Its available since 2 years now atleast and costs 800 gems. The helmet is the specialisation armor piece and isnt available atm
well magitech armor i think is okayish for an engineer…but i still think we are lacking armors that actually look like a medieval engineer – magitech looks way too futuristic for my taste…id rather want something that looks like an ork mekboy
http://cfs9.tistory.com/image/7/tistory/2008/10/06/17/35/48e9cdb8dcbf2im also curious about why they suddenly went for lightning instead of fire…interesting tough
I agree, I hope they don’t got the idea to let go of the steampunk theme for a more scifi theme.
About the “lightning instead of fire” thing …. it isn’t instead, it is both. We still get the explosive looking rocket charge we saw in the trailer, but also getting some electric devices for the hammer. As long as I get another block for my engi, I’m fine with that.
And I hope the AA of the hammer is looking quite explosive. Would really enjoy that.
If it would be me.. engi armor would look like this.. but we cant have that, generic coats only all the way…isnt like engineers would carry a kittenload of machines and tools arround…same counts btw for the other mediums.. completely different fighting styles\needs for armor. Well.. magitech atleast got some mechanical elements in its design
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scrapper huh… well i cant say i like that one at all
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