Guild Wars 2

they better make atleast one full set of distinctive, class specific designed armor in the x-pac. One armor piece and a weapon (that we get with the specs) aint gonna cut it this time. Im fed up with blending into thiefes and rangers. Im a darn engi and i finally wanna have some more armor that says i am

there we go…. now it looks more like the class i was hoping it to be. I only hope the build diversity isnt gonna suffer as extreme as i expect it to do. I mean sure… there isnt much to work with in terms of combinations anyways… but still. Oh well for now i just gonna say thanks for actually listening and really working with the community. Keep it coming.. the rev went from spoiled can food to tasty dinner real fast….maybe you guys get it up to 5 star menu at the end… and if not.. its still (for sure) 100 times more fun to play then last week

skullmount.1758:

Basaltface.2786:

Im actually glad its green, it fits the armor light colour, weapons and overall contrast i gonna roll with. The chainwhip swords hopefully gonna look good with the animations.. else i still got the daydreamer swords on standby

Which green gives that color?

cucumber i think… cant check right now cause i cant get into the beta accound

Im actually glad its green, it fits the armor light colour, weapons and overall contrast i gonna roll with. The chainwhip swords hopefully gonna look good with the animations.. else i still got the daydreamer swords on standby

it would make sence if you could actually see em… as how they are right now.. nah, no reason to add that

stof.9341:

The weapons aren’t really tied into the legends. The only caveat is the condition legend requires the condition weapons.

But then again, Mallyx legend can be used by berserkers as an anti-condition role : lots of resistance, elite that gives base stat bonuses and application or non condition damage based conditions. All that can be used by a zerk player. So you use say a build of Shiro+Mallyx with Sword/Sword. And once the boss you fight enters it’s heavy condition usage phase, you switch to Mallyx.

Or you fight a boss that is far too hard in melee, just equip a hammer beforehand in Shiro stance.

Or you fight a heavy CC situation, Shiro + Dwarf for protection and stability.

Or the boss requires you to do a little bit of everything and then you are screwed. “Oh man, i wish i had the (fictional) block skill equipped, but i dont need the rest of the legend it comes with”. " oh come on ,now he goes ranged and i got my swords equipped". “Darn it i cant catch the thief running away cause i got the staff equipped, i also got the dwarf so i could get myself a speed buff to catch up but the staff got no blast finishers”

And so on. Yea… its a stupid example but thats what im afraid of the most at the revenant. No matter how you build, it always boils down to the same deal. There will be always something missing that any other class can fix with either skills, attuments, weapon kits , just a 2nd weapon set that might be used just for utility or a set of utility skills that can be choosen or replaced individually.

What if you get kited by a ranger and you cant really fight back without ranged combat? What if you are ranged with your hammer that gets weaker the closer the enemie is to you and a thief starts putting knives in your backside? You gonna ask him to occ to get your melee weapons equipped? What if you need a speed buff but dont got the dwarf equipped to get the stone road skill for the field? You got the ventari shield bubble up to protect some group members from a hail of ranged attacks while they rez a downed group member and you need to heal on the other side of the room? How you gonna do that? Either you move the tablet over and expose your vulnerable allies or change the legend and make the tablet vanish? Or get downed yourself and loose the tablet and so get them and yourself killed in the progress?

Thats how i see the rev… waaaay too many “what ifs”. But till they dont reveal the full class with all traitlines, mechanics and skills set in stone i gonna hold back with my negatives. I really dont want the class to suck, it would break my heart if it would be trash.

skullmount.1758:

lordkrall.7241:

Basaltface.2786:

http://i.imgur.com/SjX7u2A.png

outdated but yeap.. here you go, shield skills for the rev, well most of the skills changed over time and dagger turned to OH sword but still…its more likely rev gets shield then dagger in the elite spec

You mean just like all those Elementalist Sword Skills for their Elite Specialization that now seems to point more towards Warhorn?

Or the whole Season 1 finale, that was also datamined but then released completely different from that.

Point is: Datamined information is not confirmed information until it is officially announced.

Along with all those that lordkrall pointed out, your own example (list of rev skills) points out that its not set. That picture includes dagger skills, along with the shield skills. So which does Revenant get? If dagger isn’t correct then shield may not be correct either. We don’t/won’t know till Anet get around to finally announcing all the rest of the elite specs.

yea its all just speculation from my side and some “evidence”. I just put the stuff together in my head and to me its more likely rev is gonna get the shield rather then a dagger.. thats all. Well.. till a-net says whats up we all dunno anyways.

DresdenAllblack.1249:

That is a terrifying point actually. Other than adding more legends how can they fix?

Well how they gonna fix it… i dunno. How i would fix it?

- Adding a normal weapon swap for starters

- Adding either an “empty husk legend” that can be put together by hand or more skills for the legends we got to fine tune your build, maybe even just neutral skills that are
not tied to any specific legend… ya know just “mist shenanigans”

- Reworking all weapons to either change their skills slightly with the active legend
(sorta like ele attuments, just more arround buffs, heals or debuffs and condi
depending on the legend)

- or making the weapons fit atleast 2 or 3 legends by default with effects and skills

- making the traitlines less focused on one legend only cause that is exactly the
(back then) 6\6\rest wherever build stuff i predicted as they revealed the class
mechanic what restricts build diversity big time

-raising the damage drastically on all weapons to be on equal footing and only differ
with the buffs\debuffs\utility and range they bring

- adding a mobility\teleport skill or speed buff to each legend and\or to be mobile in battle and movement in general

- reworking the energy system to only affect utility, heal and elite skill

lordkrall.7241:

Basaltface.2786:

http://i.imgur.com/SjX7u2A.png

outdated but yeap.. here you go, shield skills for the rev, well most of the skills changed over time and dagger turned to OH sword but still…its more likely rev gets shield then dagger in the elite spec

You mean just like all those Elementalist Sword Skills for their Elite Specialization that now seems to point more towards Warhorn?

Or the whole Season 1 finale, that was also datamined but then released completely different from that.

Point is: Datamined information is not confirmed information until it is officially announced.

Lol obviosly. Im just sayin.. we got shield skills here, a glint styled shield and the elite spec is obviosly glint (as seen in the trailer and datamined skill icons). To me its more likely that the rev wont be getting the dagger.

skullmount.1758:

Basaltface.2786:

skullmount.1758:

Revenant and Warrior elite specs haven’t been announced yet. One of those two could use a dagger.

rev is most likely out of the loop cause the class still misses the shield, skills got datamined and there is this thing…

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/gw2-ascended-shield.jpg

if thats not glint styled then im mary sue

To be fair, not everything datamined comes true. And with the shield, it could be either a BLC set or direct skin on the gemstore, related to something.

http://i.imgur.com/SjX7u2A.png

outdated but yeap.. here you go, shield skills for the rev, well most of the skills changed over time and dagger turned to OH sword but still…its more likely rev gets shield then dagger in the elite spec

Headcase.4618:

Just gonna leave this here…

… i felt the pain of spoony at the review, that game clearly rekt his childhood big time

skullmount.1758:

Revenant and Warrior elite specs haven’t been announced yet. One of those two could use a dagger.

rev is most likely out of the loop cause the class still misses the shield, skills got datamined and there is this thing…

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/gw2-ascended-shield.jpg

if thats not glint styled then im mary sue

DresdenAllblack.1249:

Correct, I know they can fix it, but while things stay the course, Shiro is just gonna pigeon hole kids into one build.

but then again… how many working builds are we supposed to make with 4 most likely set in stone legends, a handfull of weapons that are extremely tied to the legends and no weapon swap to begin with?

Ichimaru.8259:

It’s so sad all four legends are male.

well glint is a chick and she is coming too

Randulf.7614:

I like the Jade Wind mechanic, that’s a nice touch. I hope Shiro won’t make some of the other legends obsolete though. Or devalue them too much. That would be a wrong step for the class.

if he supplys the class with some “somewhat acceptabe” dps then it renders the other legends obsolete by default

xXBurningEmberXx.6085:

Yes it’ll all come in the next patch. Sane with the engie bs with their 1 million nades skill.

oy get your informations straight. The skill is called infinite grenade works

Khenzo.2465:

Basaltface.2786:

CrimsonDX.4821:

Here’s hoping for dual sword

well from the datamined skills we got a mainhand sword an an offhand dagger

http://i.imgur.com/SjX7u2A.png

But yeh.. staff was also datamined as a dps weapon and now its…well… just take it with a grain of salt..lets leave it at this

I believe with the last round of data mining the OH dagger was changed to swords.

i just hope atleast the swords not gonna bomb then…like the staff does. If i compare the current skills to the one i got here on the picture id prefer the picture ones by far

CrimsonDX.4821:

Here’s hoping for dual sword

well from the datamined skills we got a mainhand sword an an offhand dagger

http://i.imgur.com/SjX7u2A.png

But yeh.. staff was also datamined as a dps weapon and now its…well… just take it with a grain of salt..lets leave it at this

Dual.8953:

Can anyone tell me if Korukhan the Blacksmith’s armour is available in the game? I can’t find is in the wardrobe.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Korukhan_the_Blacksmith

Is an npc exclusive… Like most of the good fitted charr things

charr “da-vinci” glider

asura holo glider

sylvari leaf wings

norn spirit wings (think ranger greatsword skill)

human… dunno sry >_<

ghost\mist form glide

profession themed

shadow wings with green trail

mini helicopter jetpack

wings that change style with ele attument

ghostly blue angel wings

big eagle wings

glider cloak (think batman)

glint wings

ghostly butterfly wings

no idea what for war…sry >_<

“joke wings”

flock of birds with strings attached to their legs

baloons tied to the limbs

way too small pegasus wings that flap like mad to keep the player up and rainbow trail

flower helicopter (think majoras mask)

holiday themed wings

Bat wings with flock of bats

ice wings with snow trail

cupid wings with heart or rose trail

thats all i got for the moment

Crise.9401:

The only place where classes without weapon swap are truly range locked is underwater, so can we stop this pointless debate about range. Sure not all configs have optimal damage at all ranges, however, they certainly have better options than the Revenant as we know it.

If nothing else, then for them the utility skills that for Revenants are esentially kits with some flare can supplement that range. They have options right now, Revenant doesn’t. If it only used one handed weapons then we might have a bit more wiggle room. However, with only four one handed weapons (if we believe current rumors) some of them exclusively off-hand. There just won’t be enough skill combinations for either weapon skills or utility skills. As Revenant I feel like super locked down engi right now, only Revs kits happen to play with utilities and we can only bring two of them (or if you look at it differently we have to bring two of them).

well as (almost) full time engi i can tell you that you are anything but locked down with that class. Main weapons are all ranged, cept the shield..and even thats technically ranged if you count the secondary skill of 5 as an attack BUT you got a toolkit with melee attacks, block and pull, a bomb kit with ranged aoe attacks, a ground targeted nade kit that can be either your mid range or your melee solution (or both at the same time), an elixir gun with uses in all ranges and a strong evade and heal, a conic aoe flamethrower for short range AND a 1500 range mortar whenever you want em…if you have any of these equipped….or you use none of them and take elixirs or gadgets or turrets… or you do it like i do and mix it up (HT-BK-EG-EB-MK). Also rifle got skills to push the enemie away from you while also pushing you away AND clearing immob and chill in the process, deliver a painfull buckshot into the enemie´s face that gets stronger the closer you are to your foe and even an immob and a ground targeted jump that you can either use as gap closer OR to jump away from your enemie a bit…or you just jump directly onto the enemie from melee range for a double hit with a cherry of vun ontop…and a leap finisher. With engi you can make builds that prepare you for the most of whats ahead if you want to, or you specialise in a specific weapon\skill type and you still can make an amazing build. P\P condi? No issue. Cele\rifle? Sure go for it. Gadgeteer? Yea man suit yourself. HGH\potion? Yea why not, and while you are at it try the elixir gun with that, cause it benefits from the trait too or just dont, do what you want. With the rev you are locked down big time and i really dont like that. I dont think i need to mention the way of the ele…and how quickly a summon weapon can be pulled out (AND SHARED OMG HOW EPIC) or an attument can swapped. I mean sure.. sure its the beta, nothing is done 100% i get it… but something needs to be done with the rev´s mechanic and stats to either make the 2 legends\1 weapon stuff viable or there needs to be a weapon swap or an ele like addon to the weapon so that its attacks\playstyle change depending on the legend OR extra skills for the legends to swap em out like regular skills. Thats atleast my 2 cent on that theme.

edit: Also engi can use kits underwater… so thats that

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Sonickeyblade.8415:

Randulf.7614:

I suspect swords will come if shiro is indeed the 4th spec, which strong indications show

Remember, the beta isn’t the full Rev, so plenty to be added yet

That’s pretty fair. I know it’s a beta but I thought all the specs were released/revealed already for it.

We have not released all weapons and legends for the Revenant yet. Right now there is definitely a gap in the playstyles offered as we haven’t discussed the more pure DPS focused setup yet. soon tm.

so… there will be that one magical legend thats gonna raise the wet noodle damage to decent levels? Then why bother with the other legends\weapons in the first place?

I usually dont agree with the “dps is all that matters” mentality that quite a chunk of the community follows…but come on man… way back before the first trait changing feature patch i ran a amazingly underpowered and rather lame flamerthrower\elixir gun engi build, and this clusterf- of a build i tailored together with my back then lacking experience hit MORE then a fullzerk rev with any of the presented weapons.

bearshaman.3421:

Basaltface.2786:

stof.9341:

Note that elementalists cannot switch from a melee form to a range form either with their atunement swaps.

…but slot a summon and do it that way…what works great. Ice bow.. lightning hammer..or maybe FGS? All viable ways to change the range of battle on the fly AND that without an attument swap needed.

I have a feeling though that the weapons are intentionally tied to a particular legend. Like an iconic weapon, in the sense of King Arthur and Excalibur. Which means making a weapon usable with a legend that doesn’t use that weapon breaks with the flavor of the class. can you see Arthur running around with a staff?

Well the issue is that you got your king arthur legend slotted and his excalibur equipped, sure it fits cause its his iconic sword…but you also got maybe robin hood as your second legend (yea a stupid example but whatever). Whats with him? His iconic weapon is a bow and lets assume for a moment robin cant really fight with a sword (what he technically can do but like i said its just an example) and especially not the legendary excalibur …so whats with him? Why is he even equipped? Why would you even swap to the “bow-less” robin in battle if arthur got his blade perfectly fine under controll? Yea sure.. the rev is a lore cyrclejerk class…but the rev just channels the legend´s powers and does not fully become it, thats how i see it.

stof.9341:

Note that elementalists cannot switch from a melee form to a range form either with their atunement swaps.

…but slot a summon and do it that way…what works great. Ice bow.. lightning hammer..or maybe FGS? All viable ways to change the range of battle on the fly AND that without an attument swap needed.

Andraus.3874:

Shelter.9720:

Well in that case , I don’t think a legend focused on DPS will help a lot in regards to damage if it’s this low.

Here’s to hoping the glint legend has us turn into a huge dragon. Seems to be the only option to save Revenant at this point ;-p

well the glint legend skill icons show its a full signet set… so yeh.. not looking good for your idea :\

Kidel.2057:

I believe that currently there is no engineer build with no kits, maybe with the only exception of heavy turet builds.
Being struck with the same weapon is pretty bad in this game.

eh there is quite a neat cele\ rifle \ HGH build running arround… but yea i agree, beeing stuck to 1 weapon is lame (imo of course)

oh look somebody gave a darn about the charr in the art department for once. Love it 10\10

Gav.1425:

I don’t see why so many people liked it. Maybe human female version is gimp?

might be.. i didnt check it on females myself and then again tastes differ fortunally.. else we all would look the same and where would be the fun in that?

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/gw2-mistward-revenant-heavy-armor-male.jpg

the staff looks just like i wanted a (melee) staff weapon to look, sure its still a bit clunky animation wise… but heh thats a beta, so to expect perfection wouldnt be fair. So far (purely animation and visual vise) a 9\10 from me

imo best heavy armor in game cause it

- got an interresting visual design

- looks for once good on all races AND genders and takes racial features in account

- combines pretty neat with existing sets

- actually completely changes the feel depending on the colours you use

- its not a stupid outfit and so can make people that just want certain parts very happy

Thats how you do it a-net… more like this set please 10\10 will use atleast parts on all heavies i make in the future

so yea.. pve perspective feedback:

Damage is way too low

Traits are not that interresting and many work against eachother

Skills cant be changed and limit the build diversity extremely

Certain weapons are almost mandatory for 1 legend and useless for the other

Lack of a weapon swap makes it hard to adjust to your foe cause the weapons are
way too much tied to the legends

Visual effects are top notch

Class mechanic is creative and i like it a lot

Is it fun to play? Yes and no… I played now for a few hours, gave a condi build a go, a (as good as possible) dps build a try, a cele build a chance and something along the lines of a healer build but i always had the feel i wasnt in controll. Silly example..but it felt like i would be sitting with a friend on his couch playing a console game and he hands me his controller in the middle of the game like “here take over i get some chips”. Know the feel? Its like its not my char that i play here, its a-nets char. Its not adjusted to my comfort and it feels weird to use it. Sure its a new class and all.. but i never had that before when i tested and made a new class, heck i even felt more comfortable with a thief and to this day i cant fight a vet with it without getting rekt. Even after a few hours that feeling didnt go away.

I however had a lot of fun with just goofing arround, the skill visuals are something to look at. You can clearly tell somebody got fun in the art department with that class… unlike engineer kits cough cough Anyways.. yea…imo the issues of the class lay in the details and some thing needs to get added either skill swapping, one legend that can be put together by hand with skills from other legends or a weapon swap.

nah, is beta time, if you pre-ordered the game you can beta test the rev the whole weekend everywhere

i get a hammer… i love hammers, so yes.. it most likely will change my playstyle a lot

Id kill to have his eyewear…

Rym.1469:

Kitsune.1902:

It might be a class more directed to new players. One weapon set, lack of complicated skill selection, specializations are fairly closely tied to legends and legends have ‘easy to understand’ playstyles behind them.

For example, you want condi damage and support, you pick mallyx and ventari. You pick the specializations tied to those legends, and invocation (I think) as your third specialization. You pick weapon based on whichever legend you plan to use more (staff if ventari, mace/axe if mallyx). And you’re pretty much set to go. For weapons and gear, just pick celestial for everything.

No complicated choices. Very streamlined.

Boring too, from my perspective, but then I’ve been around since launch. Of course if this is the case, then it’s a bit silly – since for new players every class is new, it’s the ‘veteran’ players that are more in need of a fresh class.. and for that I’d rather see it more complex than existing classes, instead of simplistic, ‘streamlined experience’.

That may be a selfish way of thinking though, since it can be argued that new players could also benefit from a class that’s easy to start with.

I wouldn’t say it’s aimed at new players. Resource management is pretty big barrier of entry.

And I simply don’t believd that Revenant won’t get some choice in utilities for each legend. There will be, I tell you.

your words in a-nets ears man…

a backpack in the style of the scientific weapons (ya know with vials and a cooker, some green smoke and stuff)

Sold Out.7625:

Aaaand still none of the finishers or traits fixed. But you know, at least it’s nice and nerfed.

whew… was worried for a moment…

only recipe id really like to see back is the chaos of lyssa recipe… cause with the price for the recipe alone you almost could buy a precursor already :\

…but then again what did i expect… was too good to be true to have something actually nice for once

Well op then gw2 isnt the right mmo for you. The timeline in the game is close to industrial times and firearms exist, so do airships, helicopters, submarines, tanks, “robots” (watchwork), mech suits (dredge tech) and much more. Also what makes these things less fantasy? Or do you count from plants grown pistols or from bones carved rifles as non fantasy? This game isnt your traditional medieval\fantasy setting.

Tachenon.5270:

Ellen ‘Boom Boom’ Kiel just likes to watch things burn. Gnashblade was the right choice. The logical choice. I suspect the ballot boxes were rigged.

Well i suspect a more obvios reason why kiel got her job… bias against charr

here op.. have this quote from a developer spotlight:

“During Living World Season 2, Crystin took charge of a new team that was organized to improve in-game rewards in Guild Wars 2. Previously, no single dedicated team handled in-game rewards, and individual content teams were responsible for deciding how players would be rewarded. Crystin felt there should be a greater balance between Gem Store item offerings and in-game rewards, and she and the rewards and commerce teams have worked on creating a clear division so that items will fit their method of distribution. For example, armor sets are now exclusively designed as in-game rewards while outfits are primarily Gem Store offerings. Her teams also designed the new transmutation system and helped work on the new wardrobe.”

so yea.. you get if you are lucky 1 armor set next year and as extra bonus if you play charr or asura its gonna be extra glitchy and clippy cause its technically free, so they most likely dont bother with anything but human females in quality. The days of nice things are long over…just hope that atleast in HoT are some sets that are worth it…thats what i do. After that i expect really not much anymore

i actually liked the ps MUCH more then i do the current sylvari cyrclejerk and watching the destiny edge v2 go on wacky adventures and getting new powers and do all sorts of things that i cant. In the ps i atleast had a choice what to do and atleast a part of it was racial. Now the story is watching the destiny edge v2 grow in character and blending in with the furniture…and a few mins of fighting… if even that cough cough party politics cough cough. In the ps i had a choice on what to do. (from a charr perspective): Wanna make turrets or a kitten cannon out of your anti ghost weapon? What about your dad, is he a traitor or a soldier who cares about his fellow men?…Or is he even alive anymore? What about the orders? Wanna join the whispers or the durmands? Or are you more of a vigil? How you wanna tackle the attack of orr? Wanna do this or do that? Up to you. Now its just watching chars who “forced” themselfes on me and sorta are a pretty lame replacement for rytlock, eir, logan, zoija and caithe…why cant i do more stuff with them? They are awesome…well cept logan i dont like him and caithe…ehhhhh she is on my watchlist for the egg theft. Atleast rytlock is coming back in HoT… so there is atleast a chance the coolness returns a little bit

Nyx.7342:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Going back to Cantha?
Sure, I’d love that.
But so long as some cooperate desk jockey thinks it will offend people, I won’t hold my breath for it.

Was that their reason for not doing cantha again?

smh…..

cause it offended the east from what i heard

Leolas.6273:

Anet pls can u adjust the pants on Human/Norn Male a little bit? Its a little to “fat”.

if it wouldnt be an outfit you just could use other pants…

no.. gem store only gets these stupid outfits, dont expect anything armor skin related till HoT…as for the future… armors are now game rewards only and with the speed a-net dishes out content you might not see an armor till next year… if even that. Also if you happen to play a charr or asura you can expect crappy quality ontop of it…like they usually handle it for these races…yay…

skowcia.8257:

Im not sure if i understand OP topic.

But looking at these icons i want to cry inside.

woha… and i thought we reached the level of lame with locked skills and no weapon swap. Full signet legend…topkek

And as a charr i hoped for a massive and scary looking horrik like bazooka

Kodama.6453:

Basaltface.2786:

Kodama.6453:

I disagree, they didn’t use just a start zone rifle, they combined this rifle model with the old mortar model and I really like it. It is just what an engineer would do, using the parts of the old unviable stationary mortar and a rifle to tinker a new mobile mortar. This cannon wouldn’t fit for this theme.

So… you do realise what gw2 engineers are capable off AND do all the time?
Scarlet.. look at her stuff, look at the citadel, tanks, airships, siege weapons, watchwork guards, charrcopters, heck even golems and other asura shenanigans even if they are technically more magic then anything. I mean seriosly.. if i would be an engineer for real in this universe where i stand on the frontline to fight friggin dragons id take sure my equipment is TOP notch and up to par with the magical spells and armament or just the physical skills other classes bring to battle…and especially a frigging mobile siege weapon should well kitten look like one…not like a lvl 5 rifle. Im personally fed up with always (visually) looking like the weakest link in the chain and i very well hope that the devs keep their word and the current models are indeed just placeholders…

Well, if I were an engineer in this universe and had to fight a dragon, I wouldn’t care about the design of my weapon. I would care to make sure it works as it is supposed to be and it does.

There is a difference between functional looking and plain bad looking imo man. The mortar’s current 3d model does not even got a _hole in the barrel, its just a black painted spot, its also pretty pathetic looking for a siege weapon. Imo something like that mokittenesign would be perfect for a grenade kit visual but not something that shoots siege ammo. Make that thing scarlet’s kiss sized and give it good textures then it should be fitting

yea gargoyles seem to be out of the loop, however you can buy gargoyle fossil trinkets in ascalon near the lake if you want to