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Can you have 2 accounts?

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Sure you can add both in a guild.
If your computer is good enough, you can run both accounts in the same PC using a virtual machine.

With 2 accounts it will be for all purposes 2 different players, the only difference you’ll be both players

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Can you have 2 accounts?

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Sure you can have 2 accounts with 2 different e-mails, and log them at same time, but for that you need to buy 2 copies and register each one.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Fractured update

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That was looong ago …
Fractals was improved, new mechanics, change in the loot system.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Give me ideas what to do :(.

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What I’m not interested in:
*Brainless grinding for ascended gear crafting.
*legendary crafting.
*I’m interested in PvE only.
(curse you wasted year of Living World bs!)

Well … from this I see that GW2 is not really the game for you now, look for another game and come back after a while to check the new updates and hopefully new PvE content will be available.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

armor skin inquiry/idea

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If you just added a skin over the LS item there is a big chance that you’ll get that skin, but if you transmuted more times over, sold or deleted the skin, then I can’t guarantee that you’ll have it.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

How do you infuse ?

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Agony resistance is for PvE?

If that is true, I don’t need it. So I don’t need to use the forge then if it is only for WvW?

Agony is only for fractals over lvl 10, so yeah you won’t need that at all.

Buy the infusions in the WvW laurel vendor, those give “+1% guard damage” in the offensive slots and “-1% damage from guards” in the defensive slots, besides the status bonus of the infusion itself.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Youtube: POWERFULL MELEE RANGER

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After the 15th patch, your crit dmg will drop to around 78-80%. I’ve started working on my condi gear already :<

I don’t understand why people are so attached to that “nerf”.
If your focus was WvW roaming, power build was never the best option, condition was, and nothing will change after the update.
If your focus was PvE, power is and will still be the best option after the update, your cond build in PvE will only make you frustrated.

@OP: really interesting build, with April 15th update I buy and switch some ascended trinkets among my toons and give a try with a similar build.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Transmutation charges and PvE

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Map completion from cities was always guaranteed 3 transmutation stones, and after the update you’ll still get those.
Map completion from regular maps can give transmutation stones or BLCK (which is a superior reward) and after the update you’ll still be getting the same rewards.
Answer me why you’ll need to be rewarded if nothing is being changed.

Charter Vanguard [CV] – HoD
Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Info from the Gem Store Blog Post

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Does this mean those little bits of information being freed up will allow Rangers to save pet names???

Could be used for that, but probably wont.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Playing without doing Dungeons

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Nothing really.
You are removing a way to get exotic gear (dungeon tokens), and part of the game lore (which I’ll assume you don’t care).

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Info from the Gem Store Blog Post

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Yup, when I want to see how much I spent I look in my PayPal history, and not in the gem story log.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Info from the Gem Store Blog Post

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They don’t want you checking your history and going “WHAT?!? I spent HOW much on gems over the past year?!? Screw this for a game of soldiers, I’m off to play something that offers better value for money!”.

It’s all a part of obscuring the real cost of gems.
Gems exist in the first place to confuse the consumer as to the value of micro transactions. If ArenaNet were more confident that what they were offering was truly value for money, they’d show dollar prices for gem store goods. But studies have proven that even one layer of abstraction serves to obfuscate the true value of items and disconnect the player from the real world value of these transactions. And when consumers don’t understand this, they are liable to spend more without realising it.

I hope that you are just “trolling” but …
They will remove the trading post history, not the gem store history, also … conspiracy much?

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

15-20 Legendary Armors?

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I think what he meant is, you can see a ranger for example, using Frostfang or Bolt or Kudzu or Dreamer … but armor, all rangers would be the same.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Human Ranger lvl 4 - leveling up

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Ok so just do what I can to my levels in Queensdale, and after this move to another main city and do there and after this go back? this is how it should work for leveling as fast as I can?

Yes, also do your Personal Story (the green quests in your top right corner), try to gatherer as many materials as possible (copper, wood, etc) and craft also gives a good exp, you can craft your weapons and armor, it is a bit more expensive than buy directly from TP, but will help with leveling and in the future you’ll want to have high level of crafting to make ascended gear.

And how I fight with axes/swords if I’m Ranger? I should fight with bows no? so why you choose to be Ranger if you fight with swords? its better? its kinda wired.. because Rangers should be stronger with bows no?

That is where ranger get negative views in GW2, new players come wanting to play as ranger think that we are Archers, but for unknown reasons, rangers aren’t that good with bows, so many players get either frustrated or keep playing with sub-par builds.

Sword is our best DPS weapon, LB have high damage but is kinda slow and cause less damage the closer you are are from the target, and in GW2 there are many gap closer skills, so there is a niche where LB is useful, also in parties if you use bows you’ll tend to stay far from the bosses and the rest of the party near if, so you end not getting/giving boons in the party.

Think rangers not from other MMOs, but from table top RPGs, in D&D 3.5 ranger can go for archer path or the “strider” path with dual wield weapons, in LotR Aragorn was a ranger, think about it ;D

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(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

New Ranger Elite Idea

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There is no elite confirmed, it was a rumor and Anet said it is fake.
About the idea, depending in the time you get perma camouflage, it is actually a cool elite idea.
I can see in WvW a “wall” of rangers with camouflage waiting a zerg to ambush and suddenly “rangers, rangers everywhere”

EDIT: I believe the camo would be the active effect, and yeah, I forgot that our signets doesn’t work on us by default.

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MegaServers and hosted events

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Anet changed the idea of where the new Mega Severs will start to be implemented, they changed the idea of testing in lvl 1~15 maps, now it will be in maps with low population, so most lvl 1~15 maps will be out of the mega servers in that first moment.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Human Ranger lvl 4 - leveling up

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A good idea is to move to another starter map and do the hearts/vista/PoIs there.
Go to Divinity’s Reach and near the central area you’ll see an Asura Portal (a pink icon on the map) after you exit it you’ll see many other portals, each one leads to the main city of the other races and from there their respective starter map.

About weapon it is a matter of how you like to play, I particularly like axes, but I know that Long Bow, Sword and Greatsword cause more damage.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Newbie here

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Hello and welcome to the GW2 community.
For guild try to check this sub-forum: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/guilds/lfguild

To look for some help or other player to play with, check this one: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

15-20 Legendary Armors?

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I do believe that legendary armor will be reality in a future, it would be the ultimate armor since you can pick any stats and since it will be account bound many alts can wear it.

Maybe use ascended armor as “precursor” and the armor be made as bundle since you don’t need to pick a stat combo anyway, and use a combination of new gifts and some gifts existent in game like the fortune one.

I wouldn’t mind spend ~10k gold in materials and some “grind” to get a legendary armor.

About the look, well that is hard to imagine, that should be something amazing that makes you stand out w/o turning you into a disco ball, lol

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Question about gear after 15th.

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PvP only skins will still exist, what will be “removed” is the PvP tag from armors, after the update your PvP skin will be the same as the PvE skin, but no gear will be removed at all.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Question about gear after 15th.

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Sure it will, why they would remove it?

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Why no Capes?

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Not like it’s that hard to “code” a free flowing piece of square cloth. Hell half the time in gw1 the capes would tangle themselves up

And that because they only needed to fit the only model, imagine to fit 5 models.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Transmutation question

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Still though, even if anet makes charges the same price as crystals as the exchange rate may show, that means players below lvl 80 are now paying more for transmutation compared to stones.

Well, it is kinda balanced.
It will get more expensive to transmute under lvl 80 gear, but transmute lvl 80 will get advantages since many players have tons of t-stones and apparently there will have more ways to get t-charges than we have to get t-crystals nowadays, besides gem store.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Transmutation charges and PvE

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PvP also received glory points as they rank up that were used to purchased skins prior to the removal of glory points. Thus, receiving Trans Charges after April 15 per rank is rewarding them again.

Not really since before update change skin in PvP is free and after update they will need to use transmutation charges, so they need it.
Also you are comparing “oranges” to “apples”, glory wasn’t rewarded by rank up, it was a parallel reward, since you couldn’t use gold in PvP you needed to use glory as currency.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Transmutation question

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How so?
Currently you also need 1 crystal per piece for lvl 80, and stones was not even an option for lvl 80 gear, now I’ll be able to use my over 200 stones among my lvl 80 toons “for free”.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Transmutation question

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Per piece.

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Why no Capes?

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One of the reasons is because it is hard to code capes for all 5 races, specially for the Charrs.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Transmutation charges and PvE

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No, they wont get.

PvP will gain because after the update transmutations will be given for sure on each rank up, and before the update that wasn’t an option to get, so to compensate that they will give it retroactively.
In PvE we could get transmutations so there is nothing to be given retroactively.

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Who is greater Melandru v. Pale tree

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Yes, it is a way of saying it.

EDIT: Check the dialogues here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gate_of_Madness
BTW, in the cinematic dialogue, Kormir isn’t a goddess yet.

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Laurel Crafting Bags?

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No, there is none in Vigil’s Keep, only in the other main cities and in WvW.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
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Transmutation charges and PvE

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All the transmutation stones/crystal you currently have will be converted to charges after the update, so yeah it is retroactive.

EDIT: Remembering that the transmutations from map completion is already in your inventory (if you didn’t use it), so you won’t get extra ones.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
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Megaservers and character names

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Character names was never bound to only the server, so … nothing will change.

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Feedback/Questions: The Megaserver System: World Bosses and Events

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Or make the event circle doesn’t end perfectly, that way some events will change the time but still follow a fixed interval.
Like for example, Claw of Jormag in day 1 start at 14:15, in day 2 it start 14:30 and so on, so every event will occur in every time window at least once in a certain time range.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Way to revert special mini made in forge?

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I’m pretty sure that there is no way to get those minis back, but you can always try to send a ticket to the Anet and try to ask them if they can help you and undo your mystic forge.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
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Info from the Gem Store Blog Post

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Well, 90 days transaction log seems reasonable.
Keep an infinite log of every player transactions is an impractical idea, this would happen sooner or later.

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How to WvW as ranger?

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Sword is better but I don’t like it (I have L2P issues I know :P).

I’m in the same boat, I know that sword is awesome, I just can’t handle it.

I find Axe in main hand a very useful weapon in zerg surfing, specially with fire sigil (tag a lot of people) or blood sigil (bit more damage and survivability).
Combine Signet of Beastmaster + (Signet of the Wild + Signet of Stone) + Axe 5 + Healing Spring in the middle of a zerg = immortal + stability + project reflection + retaliation + AoE vulnerability + regen + AoE healing bolts. But be sure to have enough HP to dodge away after that.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

How many hours a hero has been played?

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Type /age in game.

BTW: /deaths show how many times you died

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Sword skill #1 and aggro

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I’m not following you here … are you complaining that using a melee weapon (sword) is forcing you to be at melee range? You want to keep distance of your target while you use a sword?

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GW2 player number

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Where are you looking for those numbers?

Look at the server list. If you are guesting a lot you notice that quite some server went from “very high” to “high” there recently

Good part of this is also because the WvW Tournament.
Some servers gt free transfers, HoD for example was a “very high” server and after getting tons of new players is still “very high”, other servers that used to be “very high” got down to “high” because people left to another server.

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GW2 player number

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Where are you looking for those numbers?

WvW Tournament is up, so a lot of players are in WvW including the EotM, those players doesn’t not appear in the world map.

Also we know that Living Story is kinda in a “break” so players that really don’t like WvW and is a bit bored, are also taking a break from GW2.

PvP players will probably wait for the April 15th update to check the new reward system.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)

Laurel Crafting Bags?

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T6 you get 3 material for sure, the rest I can’t imagine anyone buying except for research reason.

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Regarding pvp lockers

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The PvP craft items are in the bottom of the PvP locker.

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Dwarves?

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Races: What about Dwarves as a playable race?
”Well they would have to be stone dwarves, since as far as we know all dwarves were turned into stone!….As far as we know, there are so few of them left alive in the world of Tyria after the battle against the minions of Primordus, there wouldn’t be enough to make a playable race. Poor Ogden is likely very lonely, make sure to visit him and give him a hug! That doesn’t rule them out from being a possibility many many years down the road, but there are a lot of races we’d like to pursue first.” ~Colin Johanson

Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Many-Questions-so-Dev/3475412

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GW2 Guild chess!

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So much win.
Pretty much a guild chess with spectator mode

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Show me Norn Male rangers

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Here is mine.
Can’t wait for April 15th to put a Frostfang skin in my OH axe.

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Guesting and MegaServer

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There won’t be guesting with Mega Server.
But the option you “join friend” in the party menu will still be available.

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How to change movement in game?

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Weird … when I hold my right click my toon follow where the camera is. Even if I auto run “r” I can turn using only my mouse.
You didn’t ended turning any option off?

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Blade Shards - Where to hand them in?

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Apparently we’ll wait at least till April 15th, it may appear even later, who knows?

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Crafting goes to 500 now?

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I would avoid making stronger food, many would think that it would be “vertical progression” and many players here hate it, but craft for just cosmetic and convenience is ok.

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fix crit% and crit multiplier

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Precision is NOT used to keep vigor up, it is used for condition builds.

Many classes have traits that gives vigor on crit.

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Bardy Belzebuson – Ranger Sir Belzebu – Herald
(and the other 8 elite specs maxed too)