Guild Wars 2

Green zerker ftw.

Noah.4756:

That’s what the 10 points in Virtues is for (check the traits I showed in the OP). WoR is situational and doesn’t affect every enemy you face. Even then it only takes away 1 slot and still leaves room open for 2 other meditations plus your meditation heal.

Meditations might be more selfish. But shouts nor consecrations give the same offensive benefit as meditation does (fury). What PvE needs is DPS and that’s what Fury can give us.

Oh are you talking about solo’ing? Where no other classes are there to give buffs?

What is the point of triple meditations in PVE? They don’t bring anything to the team. Consecrations are the PVE powerhouse, with shouts being second. I never put a meditation on my bar since they don’t benefit the team.

When I read the title I thought you were going to discuss your WvW hammer/medi build. Which is what I run. Medi build in PVE is bad. Not because you can’t do a dungeon with it. But because it doesn’t help your team. Wall of Reflect and Purging flames is too pro to be replaced by a medi.

laharl.8435:

vlad.3467:

so i can tell only one thing. The other day I was playing with some random ppl lvl 26 or 29 fractal I dont remember exactly now. We were doing that lava fractal with grawls. We couldnt kill the boss at the end, so i swithed to Soldier/Cleric guardian I have. We made it on the first try, it took like 5-10 mins. Nobody was complaining about my cleric gear.

Guardian is op on the Legendary Grawl because of projectile reflects/blocks. It’s probably the fact that you brought in a guardian that helped, any guard build has reflects.

Indeed, Guard is beast mode there. My group often brings two for our runs, and having the WoR’s up whenever we need them is Pro. Doing it without reflects is a pain.

My point is zerkers do try to do maximum damage. We only have 5 points that go into defense generally, which is into honor for Perma vigor. Everything else goes into trait lines for DPS. The only non dps trait is master of consecrations generally, but even that adds dps with our wall of reflect….

So, then my point is, why shouldn’t we polarize Cleric guards to being the max healer they can be. (Since healing is useless in general, might as well go full retar….)

Aza.2105:

30/30/0/x/x. I’m saying the zerker builds that others advocate aren’t taking every last trait that has to do with damage.

30/30/0/x/x is less dps than 10/30/0/x/25. The build I posted would have anywhere from 20% to 30% damage modifiers as opposed to that crappy 30/30 build which would only bring more power and 5% more damage to GS without those sweet virtue modifiers….. That’s a terribad build.

Pip.2094:

Try to explain to me why they don’t just remove any other stats different from zerker, as they keep making their game only insane-dps oriented…they could spare lots of time and efforts.

WvW and PvP?

fadeaway.2807:

Keep in mind that a spvp guardian’s job is not to win those 1v1s but to survive and hold the point until a team member joins the fight.

Which is hard as hell do to with all the crap the classes I mention can put on us if we stay in a little circle. Its just a hold out for 30 seconds so a teammate can come help. Certain classes I won’t die to. Others are just awful to counter bunker on a small node.

Reading through this has confirm my non acceptance of necros in arah runs….

Proteus.6320:

God I hate conquest. My personal opinion is that the Devs refuse to do anything else because the know the design of the guardian falls short when there is nothing to capture. Guardians excel at making a (tiny) area around them extremely hostile. In pve this is fine mobs run straight into it. In conquest this fine, park that hostile area on the node. Everywhere else its terrible, and not just for dps.

Not even anymore. Guardians are preferred for their team buffs through boons and resing. Bomb kit/Grenade engies wreck a guard 1v1 for making a point an extremely hostile environment. Guards a great mid bunkers in team fights. On their own, too many classes are hard counters. Engies, mesmers, and necros are tough matchups on points for a boon guardian bunker.

icewyrm.5038:

Having 1 competent healing power/boon orientated guardian per 5 man group makes runs smoother and faster in most situations, in my experience.

I would certainly recommend carrying a full berserker alternate set for the various dps-check mechanisms which do exist, but these aren’t as common as you seem to be implying.

I’m curious. What does a heal build look like? Like 0/0/10/30/30 using doge rolls and healing breeze? Added boon duration for regeneration and so VOR passive works on teammates?

I have never even thought about what a heal build consist of lol

Like this? http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAW5elcgyC3EyMEg4ES2DRKBRQsHY0HtRXFSIA-jAyAoNBZqBE9JwZxioxW3KiGrqBTpSEV7SKiWdQAfD-e

Knox.3748:

Even better ? rotfl. And the problem is not only the Guardian or the Warrior, its the whole classes. Check all classes and you will see posts to QQ about anything. So is everything wrong? I have two opinions.

1. This forum is full of 14 years old who die alot and must come to foruns to rage.
2. Bad game design but you still play it.

I pick both.

You seem mad. I’m guessing you pick both because number 2 describes the situation and number 1 describes you?

Digressing. No I don’t die a lot. I bunker just fine. And the reason Guardian Bunkers are preferred over warrior is because of the boons and stability they give out. Not because they can outlast a warrior.

In PvP guardians are essentially buff bots, and dedicated rezers. I don’t hate doing it, since I enjoy winning and bunkering mid is a key role to fill. But it’d be nice if a damage guard was viable in this current(or any meta). This doesn’t include hot join, where you dps around playing against glory farmers or noobs.

DPS guard works in roaming WvW since 99% of WvW players are awful and you can go around 1vX’ing.

I feel like you don’t understand how things work in PvP, or you just like to argue. But guardians lack of soft CC, and long cooldowns on our few reliable pins makes our specs very situational.

Knox.3748:

.. Now guards want to dps like a warrior. kitten this forum is hilarious, QQ over all place. I read all your comments and i see everything should be nerfed and buffed at the same time rotfl. Guardians want to be Warriors, Warriors want to be Guardians.. Jesus Christ ..

We want more, when they made warriors have the same sustain as us or even better. So…. Why shouldn’t we get more offense?

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

True, but I’ve noticed a trend with that feature the last few times I’ve used it. It’s starting to be used by other people for other content as well.

I think this is fine if people want to use it elsewhere. It defines what they’d like, and if you don’t like it, don’t join(not directed at you or anything). I’d rather people spell out their expectations, then start bad mouthing a PUG for joining a non specific run.

Having said that, I love when I see people put 5k AP or kick. That lets me know where the bad players are, and to stay away =D

Yeah…. As a bunker guardian everything posted below the OP is true. Taking away our boons and constantly pressuring us with condi will wear us out…. And no bunker can tank 3v1 for very long in a small cap zone. Maybe in Graveyard. But 3v1 with the condi damage being thrown around is brutal.

Ludus Rex.1562:

With 1200 healing power the update to the GS trait now adds 24hp per swing, for a whopping total of 49HPS each time you connect with your weapon. If you divide this by the Greatswords attack time, we can increase it to 59HPS. The healing portion of this is still super lackluster, it’s just now less lackluster.

Yeah a good analogy. It was like dying of AIDS. And now its like dying of AIDS, while winning a 10 dollar raffle.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Maladon.5760:

Who cares? It’s just a dungeon run. You can go naked if you want.

True. But I prefer my arah runs to be around 20 minutes, not a kitten hour while wet noodles swear their healing power is saving anyone more than a dodge is.

But I mostly run premade. And if I pug, I am super specific in the post. Seems to work. Except when I ask for " very experienced" and I get people who love lupi’s foot in their face.

You’re gonna have to be more specific for people like me:

“Very experienced/Veteran player, but can’t still suck.” Use that and you’d eliminate players like me

I didn’t say what the whole lfg. “VERY EXPERIENCED. Zerkers. Melee all Bosses. No play how I want builds. P2” I only get this specific for arah.

SoulSin.5682:

If a high survival class like guardian start to have high damage options then I will stop talking bad about warriors.

The only situation that Guardians are going to get great DPS options is the day our survival will get nerfed. And I prefer to keep the second.

You see the problem here. Is that warriors can have survivability and great dps. We must choose.

At the next level down. BP and DB would destroy the lower servers. It would be another 2 horse race. The leagues will always be screwy. Accept it.

Wait we shouldn’t bring full cleric to AC? But all my healing power keeps my teammates alive!

Dynnen.6405:

Well lets try to keep it going with the hashtags. But GDIT this is ridiculous…

This happens all the time. Several other people tried what you did, and it always ends in merging. So just expect that going forward.

Maladon.5760:

Who cares? It’s just a dungeon run. You can go naked if you want.

True. But I prefer my arah runs to be around 20 minutes, not a kitten hour while wet noodles swear their healing power is saving anyone more than a dodge is.

But I mostly run premade. And if I pug, I am super specific in the post. Seems to work. Except when I ask for " very experienced" and I get people who love lupi’s foot in their face.

#1: Increase projectile speed. I’m talking like double it. I got an auto attack-chain for you. How about the first projectile is normal, the second moves slightly quicker and the third causes a 1 second chill on top of normal damage. (I am not going to lie, this is really WvW/PvP thinking, since I don’t use it in PVE)

#2: I am fine with, I drop it on downed players, and for PVE I rarely even use a scepter.(Even though I made an ascendant one lol).

#3: I wouldn’t mind the cooldown, if they gave us the same duration as the warriors 4 second pin on their bow. So either lower CD, or increase the kitten thing to a 4 second pin.

So when do we start charging more for P2? Do we wait long enough for pugs to taste the new alphard, then let them come to the conclusion that it is worth same as P1?

Damocles.8716:

Currently on Northern Shiverpeaks. I have been considering the move for a while now and was hoping I could get some suggestions.

I’m not leaving simply because I want to be carried by a better/more populated server. I’m really just bored by how low the WvW population is. There is a server-wide zerg every afternoon, which typically only lasts for 1-2 hours before dispersing. There is very little night coverage (10:00 pm – 3:00 am UTC), which is when I am most active. I feel the general population of NSP is not very interested in WvW. The weekend after season 1, for example, the maps were nearly barren.

I want a good mix of solo-roaming, small team battles, and zergs, as I enjoy all 3 types of play, So I want a server that caters to all 3 of these.

I have a mid to low range quality PC and middling connection, so preferably a medium sized population to minimize latency while still having lots of activity.

I am a fairly casual player so I want to be part of a fun guild with a good sense of humor, but I also enjoy being part of a competent, organized group.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

Yeah, WvW has sucked for roaming this week. I’m on DB, and I find the maps so barren. I prefer to be playing against YB, PB, or even FA since I know there are at least people to find. NSP was a kitten barren waste land when I was looking for 1vX’s.

Raven.3248:

Dont be so paranoid. Most sellers will even give you your cash back if they got kicked.

A guy a few days ago, sent me 60 gold by accident instead of 6 lol. Dude was lucky I’m not the type of guy to take advantage of people. Integrity is worth more to me, than some fake currency.

Painbow.6059:

I don’t know why you are complaining about dps, guards already do good dps and have strong condition removal + support, they are currently one of the strongest classes in pve for example in high level fractals even 2 guards are optimal. But yes I agree the release wasn’t exactly good

He is talking about PvP. Which he is correct. DPS guard in a high tier PvP match, is a handicap. Bunker guard still rocks, but that’s about all we can do at a high level. Which is why I still bunker mid hard

Full zerk. Anchor guardian has been dead for a long time now. This is the guide for you:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first

Knight’s armor is now seen as training wheesl for beginner guardians, until they are skilled enough to dodge/blind/block/reflect damage.

Emissary.3792:

EDIT: Bad guards don’t do any of the above, whereas bad thieves will usually at least SR on demand. So I guess there’s that. But I prefer to assume that you’d be a good whatever-you-do, and not a bad one =)

Don’t get me started on bad thieves…..

micmartin.7465:

All of my guildies who play Guardian all agreed yesterday when talking about the symbol of swiftness nerf. It is only useful in zerg running which means specifically in WvW. In all other gameplay the change has only negative effects on us that also means running in small WvW parties or alone. Thank developers, I wonder what they can ""improve"" next for us. They should at least call the change a nerf. One of the worst ideas ever, “hey lets make Guardian even more party dependant!! Oh yeah that a great idea, they dont play alone!! They cant!!”

We also discussed the ""dps changes"" made for us. All agreed that they were so minimal that none would even bother with a change in their build. Personally feel the time would be better spent fixing pure of voice. No point in useless fixes and additional breaking, they should just fix at least we gain some benefit.

Its also a pathetically small buff if you run a dungeon, and your warrior friends blow their kitten warhorns before you place your symbol! I’m on voip with them, and they always freaking forget. So now I can get my little pathetic amount running past it, instead of 1 tick.

sorudo.9054:

kinda sad really, a thief that dies in a few hits is more welcome then a necro that pretty much does dmg just as high but in AOE and barely dies at all.
ppl are just way to focused on dmg dmg dmg without actually thinking about how to do dmg, typical FPS thinking……

What if the thief doesn’t die, because he is good? GASP

obal.3218:

It’s just there to show what the class is capable of. Maybe some of the stubborn or ill-informed AH and clerics guards might convert to zerkerism after seeing it . As far as DPS tests go I agree for the most part.

But how fast can the Gandalf build do it in?

josh.7390:

If it is that easy to implement, why don’t you go with a system like WildStar is going to have? When you right-klick on a players name you can ask for a duel, whichthe other has to accept…

Like every other mmo lol. Just don’t allow duels in cities, IE Lion’s Arch, Divinity’s reach. Give players the option, to block all duel requests, so they can’t be spammed with invites. And profit!

Painbow.6059:

It’s mainly due to the players preference, Thief can deal higher damage and blind everything as well as making dungeon skips easy, I would say for pugging a zerker guardian would be better though because you can offer cond removal reflects aegis stability all while dealing high damage I play guard but I think I would find thief more fun personally

Guards bring blinds too

Aza.2105:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Is there something wrong with Glacial Heart?

Everything is wrong with glacial heart. A rng proc based upon a rng proc with a long cooldown and a short duration and only works with hammer.

Pretty much that.

Imagine if our Hammer 3rd auto attack chain, caused chill… I would die and go to heaven…. And on top of that, if after banishing someone, they would be crippled when they got up…. A man can dream.

Hunter.4783:

No kitten Sherlock,

Good, I’m glad you agree you are wrong. Thought you were going to defend that ridiculous post.

Hunter.4783:

Most full zerker 10/30/30/0/0 advocates run most content in guild groups and TS constantly, stacks and optimize their parties and have never pugged a single dungeon in quite a few months now.

I hope you are joking…. I don’t know if you are baiting people into responding to a troll post. But just in case you are serious.

No half decent player runs a 10/30/30/0/0 build in a dungeon. That is a PvP/WvW meditation burst build. In dungeons that is utter crap, since it is not our highest dps spec, nor does it bring what we need in dungeons like master of consecrations.

What you described was a bad guardian build, only used by new players. Real top shelf guardians run a 10/25/x/5/10 build with the rest of the points up for personal choice. Generally 25 into virtues for the per boon damage bonus(and unscathed contender 20% more damage) and the last 5 either for superior aria or RHS. Please read a real guide and don’t spew misinformation on this forum:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first

Clumsy.6257:

rather have a shout heal warrior than the typical pug thief, met one a few days ago who proudly pinged his full clerics + ruby orbs, with 0/0/30/30/10 and said he was a dps thief

How about those pistol/pistol shortbow thieves?

But out of combat won’t help guerrilla tactics. Since the little band of guerrillas will be chased off, then the Zerg gets OOC, which allows them to res. I am perfectly fine with removing the ability to rez downed players all together. Make em run!

Fungalfoot.7213:

Can you really defend the current situation in PvE? It has gotten to the point where groups will only take in heavy armor classes. That’s how bad the balance is right now.

No, we bring along a ele for fire fields on demand and FGS (A little sarcasm when reading this)

Locuz.2651:

The ones that struggle the most vs them are guardians. Those are imo the only guys that have the right to complain (if we purely look at 1v1). Since they dont have the burst of hammer warriors or thieves or the condi pressure of necros.

Yeah fighting them as a bunker guard blows 1v1. So if that arises, I call for support quick, or hopefully I’ll be on a large point like the graveyard where I can just dance all day until teammates can stroll through. Can’t really do much against them as a bunker guard but be frustrated.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first

Read that. Obal has his hammer build in there. Hammer is useful in high level fractals for its perma protection. Outside of that, the weapon is very lacking in dungeons, since higher damage is preferred over protection. But if you in a terribad group, the protection can be nice.

I don’t remember what obal’s switch weapon is for his hammer build, but generally if you running hammer its for the protection, so you don’t switch off it much. But using his build as a basis, you can figure out your own style.

The one thing DB does right, is having arah open almost all the time. I have seen it contested once in the past month, and a commander was leading a charge to open it. <3 dat arah.

Whoops I meant to do that lol. Lazy edit

You can try this out. A video I found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-l9lmrF8_4

With some light modifications to his build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAR7dlUgiDnGyNEfIFhNDCiwqCxDXw1DIGxGC-TsAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNsYByuAA

I personally am not a fan of an offensive guardian in PvP. Love it in WvW, but it just feels weak in PvP. Too easy to mitigate the GS damage. I personally enjoy a Hammer Scepter/Shield CC DPS style offensive build. But it doesn’t have a GS.

swiftpaw.6397:

Grab yer’ torches and pitchforks!

I angry mob how I want! I’m grabbing my Water Bucket and Pillow!

drkillerx.7348:

coe it is. i just hit 80 low money and just wanting to know where to go form here and where to start. so this dungeon can you grind it a few times or is it once a day thing.

You get the bonus tokens/money once a day, so the general Paths for CoF are P1-2 because combined take about 25 minutes. And CoE I can’t for the life of me remember which are usually done. If someone can pop in here, and say which are the usually done for CoE. Been a while since I done that dungeon.

CoF is easy Zerker gear. CoE and Arah also give it, but CoF is the quickest. You can also buy it with Gold or mix and match depending on your patience level/wealth level.

rozcinana.7249:

Molch.2078:

There was once a player, a long time ago (2-3 days, maybe), who was able to find a group for Arah via the lfg-Tool, despite all the nasty scumbag sellers. Let me tell you his story…

He made his own group.

THE END

Hah! I don’t understand why people are so afraid to start their own lfg posts.

People are afraid because they feel like if they make the group they must set the tone. Rather than joining a group, and just tagging along. I only make my own group when I have a friend though, I need someone to punt people with, or else I’d be stuck with god knows what. This is mostly in regards to arah. Other dungeons, I don’t really care, since they are pretty easy even with bads.

If you love guardian, and want to play it to its maximum potential, while being a shining beacon of an example. Then read this guide, and follow it:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first

Guardians mitigate damage through active means(IE dodging, aegis, blinds, reflects) not through passive means(IE armor). The sooner you learn to use your skills and reflexes for staying alive, the sooner you will be on your way to being a top shelf guard.

Follow obal’s advice, for he is one of the best guardians in the game.