Guild Wars 2

Esplen.3940:

As funny as this?

“I see the dead people destroying us all.. and I like it”

Reisinger.4203:

Celebratty.1632:

No dude, its our CORE mechanic. Warriors can’t ignore their burst moves and eles are forced to attune, every thief has to steal or he gets stunned whenever its off cd. Everyone is punished if they don’t take full advantage of their core mechanic and play it perfectly, why should we be exempt? You know how irritating it is doing jade maw and then that dang warrior forgets to use his burst move, crashing the game and uninstalling GW2 from our computers.

/s

I disagree. Warrior adrenal health is very much a passive trait and relies on warriors to not use their class mechanic at all (just build it up and let it sit at max) for full benefit. Not everyone is punished if they don’t take full advantage of their core mechanic.

I was being sarcastic :p

They’ll never let us stow pets because they are fully aware that we don’t want pets. If we could stow them, we’d never use them again except maybe in PvE when you’re feeling lazy.

unseenone.1463:

I recently bought the heavy skin, and was pretty shocked to see that it was a temporary item, considering it was TEN DOLLARS I figured it would be more like the achievement weapons that can be put on very easily. I am pretty disappointed that a game with a system such as the achievement weapons already in place does not use said system for the expensive gear from the shop.

ohmygod you people will complain about anything. First “you can’t buy individual pieces of the skin noob anet”, now “these skins are exactly the same as the other style skins since release, but I want more now because ANet has shown some generosity”.

Every. Single. Other. Skin. sold in the gem store has been like this. Why would you expect it do be any different? Because ANet was nice enough to give us free, unlimited skins you’re mad that everything doesn’t come that way?

If you’re an ele, mist form+arcane shield will get you through the entire channel without getting killed.

Grimwolf.7163:

It’s an Elite, it shouldn’t be countered by something as easy to put out as Stealth.

Its already countered by 3 auto attacks.

But yeah, it should work through stealth. Its one of the few ways to counter it and I think its probably a bug.

No dude, its our CORE mechanic. Warriors can’t ignore their burst moves and eles are forced to attune, every thief has to steal or he gets stunned whenever its off cd. Everyone is punished if they don’t take full advantage of their core mechanic and play it perfectly, why should we be exempt? You know how irritating it is doing jade maw and then that dang warrior forgets to use his burst move, crashing the game and uninstalling GW2 from our computers.

/s

And they still haven’t fixed the fact that my pet takes half the jade maw shots.. Takes us 3x as long to do it unless you grab guard and routinely send them into a corner. Why are we handicapped for our mechanic? “Well, you can either repeatedly watch your pet die and respawn and make it take twice as long to finish this fractal, or you can waste a utility slot and lots of time to get rid of this feature!” No ele is punished for having attunements, no warrior is punished for their burst move, no thief is punished for stealing, no guardian is punished for aegis, yet we’re punished and ANet stubbornly refuses to do anything about it because ‘its your core mechanic!’. When I leveled a ranger to 80 I didn’t know my core mechanic was to be a handicap.

Ranger, thief, and guard are the ones I play. Just more fun than the light classes, which all seem dull. Admittedly I leveled a Mesmer to 80, but I just use her as a bank alt.

Fractals and occasionally leveling my necro/thief/war with their personal stories. Nothing else really entertains me atm, occasionally I play the TP but its not like I need anything. Thrilled about a new fractal though.

Lafiel.9372:

Rangers aren’t bad. They have the longest range in game and the long bow does decent damage. Recent changes to some longbow skills also added some minor improvements towards them. If you want to play a true archer ranger is the way to go. If you just want to pew arrows, thief and warrior are equally good classes. Thief has shortbow with 1200 range I think? or was it 900 and warrior has rifle which has between 1200-1500 range (depends if you trait) and longbow which is 1200. I however, prefer a rifle on my warrior.

Ranger has by far the longest, 1500 + another 100 something if you trait for it.

Incorrect, ranger has 1200 range and 1500 if you spec for it. And iirc, Engi can have 1500 range too with grenades.

I personally have played ranger using one of the two bows since release, and have never felt an archer feel. Might just be me, though,

zerospin.8604:

Absolutely not worth it. 40g for 1 mil if you’re lucky? That’s nothing. Think how long it takes to accumulate 1 mil karma. Chances are you will get 100% world completion and play 2 months of hardcore WvW and get close to 1 mil – maybe. Trade that just for 40g? It’s like trading legendaries for exotics – silly. What if they introduce a new way to use karma in a month or two, you will tear your robes and weep. Hasn’t a dev mentioned they are looking for ways to make karma useful again? Pretty sure they did say that.

I’m sitting at 3+ million karma and not going to waste it on a couple of gold coins.

I made 1mil in under two months because I love aspect racing and save my jugs. It really isn’t that difficult at all.

I made around 20g off 1m karma using a karma infusion, icecream and every single karma buff (woo NSP temple zergs) last month. Once I get my monthly I’m blowing my ~70 karma jugs and 100+ karma drinks from minigames and buying orrian boxes utilizing buffs. Already have 250 obsidian shards and 77 clovers along with full exotic gear, not that much worth spending it on tbh.

I’d happily change my Mesmer into any other class, all it does it take up space and I’d rather just pay upfront then have to level all the crafting profs again to get a class I’d like to use.

Oh my god this thread
This isn’t a singleplayer game. This is an MMO. There are many ways to play, farming, flipping, speculating. You have absolutely no right to prevent people from playing what they want to play because ‘reasons’.

Who the kitten cares if they do nothing beneficial? Its an MMO, not the real world. Someone isn’t contributing in a virtual game that you can do whatever you want in? Might as well remove vendors because people who sell them there aren’t contributing. I am literally taken aback by this thread, how is this serious?

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

You didn’t even comprehend what I wrote.

Not sure if you comprehended..
I was the only one on the boss and was tanking the damage in the lava fractal, the other person alive was ressing the people who got themselves wiped. Circling around the boss was the only thing that kept me from melting to burning.

Why tank damage when you get away with minimal movement and dodge the Agony arrows? If you were also “tanking” his damage, you probably had on loads of Toughness and Vitality, the Fractal level was probably low, and in a case like that, being the one who survived by leeching from the party doesn’t make you the hero the party deserves.

I was full zerker, timing dodges and finishers in my water combo field. Not sure why you’re going on about me doing the wrong thing, it was the best thing to do at the time unless I felt like getting the other person killed.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

You didn’t even comprehend what I wrote.

Not sure if you comprehended..
I was the only one on the boss and was tanking the damage in the lava fractal, the other person alive was ressing the people who got themselves wiped. Circling around the boss was the only thing that kept me from melting to burning.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

I… I don’t..
Half the thread is saying these guys are as worthless as bots and you should deliberately troll them and ruin their zerging.

What is your problem? This isn’t a singleplayer game. Why are you people upset that people are cycling through quests together?

They were an underground race with no concept of the sky not long ago, flying into space is probably bloody terrifying to them.

Dungeon tokens this is the best thing ever.

marnick.4305:

Everyone in our group bought the game, and I was the one who kept playing it for years.

That feel. I had a group of us 5 friends who had been online gaming buddies for 4 years, one of us played GW1 a while back so we all went for GW2. Now they all grew up and stopped playing videogames, sticking to skyping and facebook while I’m all alone with neither WvWing with my ranger

JustTrogdor.7892:

Does anyone ever rate someone below a 7/10 in these threads?

It would be more fun if it was rate the person below you. Adding a predictive factor makes it more challenging.

I got a 6/10 for being a plant
8/10 on the red, 6.5/10 on the blue set because its just meh imo. I already posted in this thread, so rate this beautiful charr I got a shot of. Utilizing rewards, bro.

9/10 because the set looks fantastic but the combination of me being insanely jealous of your weapon and how strange charr armor looks takes off a point.

Set I’ve used since I’ve hit 80, I think I might dull down the hair a bit to make it more fluid. Yet to find a matching longbow/sword/dagger/greatsword that doesn’t clip horribly with that sylvari booty.

This thread…
Nothing against you op, but the people screaming you should troll them and its completely awful and they are equivalent to bots for running a karma train should just leave the forum, go to Sparkfly Fen in the most unpopulated server and solo everything. If you can’t deal with people doing quests together just leave.

My main problem with achievements is living story went from cool plotlines to follow and have fun with every 2 weeks to a checklist that needs to be finished because its the best way to get your AP/exclusive rewards. I absolutely hate aspect arena, yet I’ve played about 70 games trying to get the crystal breaker achievement only to have people jump off cliffs before they die so I fail to get credit. Its not fun for me at all and its absolute bs that I can get someone down to 5 hp then not get credit, or position myself to knock them off a cliff and not get credit. Its stuff like this that makes it unfun and makes people complain about having to run through 25 5-minute games,

QJ=Quaggan Jump.

New minigame.

Alarm Trap, TP trap should stay. KB trap and Karka Trap should be replaced with dropping an arrow/supplies and maybe something like a paint trap that leaves trails on your footsteps for 30s.

The main flaw is theres so many achievements based off certain things in the game, meaning I get frustrated and so does everyone else when anyone else picks up a crystal.

Sigh.
I’m not going to be bothered running through 2 versions of the same achievements. More time sinks that had the potential to be fun but are instead a grind.
Just going for the Kiel mini and dumping all my tokens on Evon.

Game became unfun for me because everyone killed themselves then camped survivors with karkas within the first 5 minutes.

zargnath.9524:

Ah, found it http://dulfy.net/2013/07/23/gw2-aetherized-weapon-skins-gallery/

Not to bad imo. I never got a good look of the rapier though.

It actually thrusts itself up and down on its hilt.
And its as bad as you imagine.

I’m going to get this sword simply because of how uncomfortable I feel when I look at it long enough.

The sword makes me uncomfortable..

Korgov.7645:

Sigh. Even more professions with Stealth. Rangers will have less Stealth uptime than thieves but more than mesmers. Spreading out an annoying game mechanism sure is not welcome in WvW.

Stealth for all – ANet’s answer to profession balance?

Ranger also can’t create clones on every dodge, teleport and spawn a clone or spawn clones and stealth, nor can they give massive AoE boon removal and conditions.

If you REALLY hate necros jumping off cliffs, why not just have it work with fall damage?
Its obviously coded differently than damage, because its not affected by protection/block/aegis
Really sucky nerf for you guys, imo.

Sylvari female run looks fantastic, and the human run is designed for more bulkier characters imo.

LB on ranger just become a viable weapon because you can now effectively reposition and stack vulnerability?

QUICK, CALL THE THIEF QQ SQUAD

Lord Trejgon.2809:

Celebratty.1632:

I… I think I like it?
I hope pet stealths too or this seems kinda awkward for a spell, that 15% vuln was pretty nice.

Imo we should have a utility skill or ultimate that lets us stealth for a large amount of time unless we move, take damage or deal damage. This would really work for a trap ranger-esque setup.

We had in early beta.
but sPvP prooved it very OP so ANet have deleted that skill

sigh

Once again the lack of PvP split is why we can’t have nice things.

That.
That is amazing.
Excuse me, I’m going to go disable WvW character details now.

I… I think I like it?
I hope pet stealths too or this seems kinda awkward for a spell, that 15% vuln was pretty nice.

Imo we should have a utility skill or ultimate that lets us stealth for a large amount of time unless we move, take damage or deal damage. This would really work for a trap ranger-esque setup.

jmatb.6307:

What would you have against a Signet that instead of sitting there removing condis, removes them on a cooldown that you can strategically time?

Spirit Ranger forces the other team to bring more AoE. Two of them makes it stupid not to. Your team is forcing everyone to play even more mindlessly than any meta we’ve seen yet. This makes HGH ledge spamming, which I also thoroughly despise, look noobish in comparison.

See how passive stuff is a vicious cycle? Now your pet, which you can’t do anything useful without, is getting killed by a bad trait that ends up getting you killed over time because you don’t have enough pets to keep eating condis.

So your class is so dependent on your pet that the dependent trait destroys the dependency and now you’re stuck trying to be independent and drop like a prom dress.

That isn’t my fault! I’m just pointing out how that is terrible for the game and ruining the meta for everybody, not just good players!

I hate seeing spirit rangers everywhere. I hate seeing necros everywhere.

You know what happens when you have to use skills to be good at them? People suck at them when they first try it. You have to learn it.

What is the learning curve on spirit ranger? On the Necro 30/30/10 build? How much practice does that really take?

Aaaand we’re immediately back.
I’ve tried being reasonable and contributing to this discussion, but no, you are just a broken record.
I’m done. Post your spirit ranger problems to the ranger forum and your necro problems to the necro forum. You clearly could care less about anything else.

jmatb.6307:

Sure!

Quick Recovery on Thief is stupid it is a no-brainer trait that anybody with a pulse is going to take because it’s free resource. Pain Response would be a really good trait to take if this trait didn’t exist. It promotes laziness in initiative management that sustains the S/D #3 rotation. This is why I hate S/D thieves – they aren’t skillfully timing Larcenous Strike combos at certain times.

They are using it to literally dance around people and avoid most of their damage by spamming, evading, healing if they need to, switching weapons, stealing, and wiping up the slobber off the keyboard when they’re done facerolling.

Guardians getting free condi cleanse at adept is also lame. Their signet can remove 2 condis every 10 seconds if you trait it. They can get 180 power, healing power, and condi damage from signets if they ran that, which would be stupid but you see where I’m going.

The reason it steered that way, unfortunately, is because this description applies to an entire class. That isn’t my fault. I don’t have the answers as to why Rangers were made to be slaves to their passive mechanics.

If poison were any good then 33% extra duration would be cheesy, just like 33% extra burning duration on Engineers is. I really don’t like stat converters either, like Precision > Vit they negate the possibility of taking Vit runes.

Speaking of runes, why do traits add to the passive benefits these already provide? Why do eles get to have 20% extra damage at 90% health when they have the best healing in the game?

I’m going into deeper stuff than just Rangers… sorry you took it that way, but when people defend the class that exists entirely on that foundation it’s hard to not get trolled by it.

I don’t like the % to another spec myself, because its generally either a noobtrap or some crazy free stats depending on your build.

Passive condi clears are really strong too, guards and rangers can spec into it and get free condi clears for no effort.

jmatb.6307:

Ah the joys of reading the entire sentence. Weapon skills sir. Weapon skills.

It’s okay though every ranger has to come to grips at some point or another, when they examine what they do compared to the others.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xMrZxUdE8Y4/UOSxoFR1l0I/AAAAAAAAETY/W8cPrY9YOII/s1600/im-kittened.gif

Anyway, back to the point of the thread.

Spirits could stay channels, give a stronger AoE team support for about 6 to 10 seconds, but on a cooldown so that summoning a Spirit is a risk/reward situation instead of set and forget with traits that make it so that you don’t even really have to use the spirit to get benefit from it.

Everybody’s signets, I’m talking all classes, could provide stronger benefits on use and longer cooldowns.

All classes ought to have to use skills to remove conditions, and either increase cleansing or reduce the applications of necromancers who can put terror (yeah it is its own condition), bleeding, poison, torment, burning, weakness, chill, cripple, immobilize, and blinds on anybody. I’d go for the second not the first.

How about increasing Ranger Weapon damage and decreasing pets’ damage so that they Ranger actually accomplishes something with his weapons?

You can take a thread that’s blatantly obviously ranger discussion to the ranger forums. How about we discuss something like guardian passive boons or thiefs crazy passive initiative regen?

jmatb.6307:

Swiftpaw you made a kitten talking thread about me? How cute. I guess I’m getting right to the core of your insecurity in realizing that your class is entirely unable to contribute anything to a match without a series of crutches that are commonly known as Ranger mechanics.

Sol your class has been and apparently Anet wants it to be a series of crutches that make up for the pathetic and awful contributions you bring with your weapons. Ranger is a joke and always has been, which is a shame.

It’s shameful not because its players whine about being made less faceroll with a nerf to 100% critical strike chance on a pet with more than 2000 precision that does its best attack from stealth or because they get the easiest condi clear in the game with the only real challenge in paying attention to whether or not your pet is alive and switching it out strategically.

The shame is that my very first character in Guild Wars was a Ranger and I loved interrupting and CCing people with them and winning in PvP through subtlety. You beat them with dots and rendered them impotent through careful interrupts. You made your opponents break their keyboards and toss them out of their windows because you read them and punished their strategy.

Ranger used to be GLORIOUS. It was the highest skill cap class to play in GW PvP along with mesmer. If you were on the midline in GW PvP you had to have incredible adaptive decision making and faster instincts.

Now they’ve been reduced to builds that all depend on something else to do the work for them. If it’s not spirits it’s pets. If it’s not pets it’s traps.

Who wants to play a class that can’t stand on its own two feet? I sure as hell don’t want to be that guy.

OP went from mad, to mildly reasonable, to mad.
You’re digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole that no one agrees with. You might want to stop now, because more and more people are looking at you and thinking you’re silly.

Amadan.9451:

if you fail an event so it can stat again and you can have more loot by failing it it’s an exploit of the event as far as my opinion is concerned, and you don’t need to do this to have anything in this game.
i have everything i wanted in this game and i never needed to do this!

i can agree that the means to exploit shouldn’t be there in the first place, but that is not an excuse, let me put this with an example:
if you find a shop open with no cameras and no owner are you free to take whatever you like because well the owner should have thought it better?
in my opinion, if you do you are a thief never the less.

edit: anyway, i think i made my point clear, you can accept it or not, but i see no point in writing here anymore

I’m not defending exploiters and saying what they do is right. I’m saying that you people shouldn’t be angry at them for getting something removed that wasn’t supposed to be there.

Zedd.8239:

Exploiters are completely innocent when it comes to any and all nerfs to loot drops. It’s all about ArenaNet’s poor decision making. The player is within his or her right to exploit anything in the game for profit and any negative consequences are only the fault of ArenaNet’s poor decisions and not the players’ for choosing to take advantage of said exploits. Is that what you’re saying? Because that’s what I’m getting from this discussion.

I’m saying that if you’re mad that the loot tables were nerfed because of exploits, its not simply because exploiters were farming the hell out of it. Its because its an exploit that shouldn’t be there that ANet wasn’t aware of. They weren’t going to keep it if no one farmed it because its still an unintentional exploit that shouldn’t be there. I’m not hating on ANet or praising exploiters here, I’m saying that because people were exploiting it was not the reason it was removed, it was removed because it wasn’t supposed to be there.

Amadan.9451:

i’m “raging” only because many other players as well as i are in the middle of loot nerf even if we didn’t do anything to deserve it.
i will still do events, but i will loot nothing from them even if i never failed them on purpose.

anyway i’m gay, my skin is always perfect, and rage make me even better^^

This doesn’t mean its time to rage, we all got punished not because we abused exploits, but the exploit was there. We simply called attention to it. ANet would not have let Lyssa keep dropping infinite amounts of crystal dust even if large numbers of people didn’t do it. They will not keep an exploit in the game because “oh, well not many people are using this one!”. We did not get our drops punished because of exploiting, but because of poor decisions. ANet removing crystalline dust completely from the market was not the fault of the players who found and used this exploit, it was poor decision-making to panic nerf the tables. If one person had found the Lyssa exploit and informed ANet, it would still be gone because its an exploit that shouldn’t be there, not because its an exploit that people are exploiting.

Amadan.9451:

to get gold for what anyway? and why do you need all this farming?
i have a legendary and i never failed an event on purpose, not any people i know did, and some of them have legendaries or almost too.

what’s the point than in creating another event without loot just for farming before this happen?

i think i made it clear why i think it’s players fault and not arenanet fault, that can be only my opinion but i guess some other people thinks exactly alike, but of course we have just to rage at them because we cannot fail events like grenth, lyssa, arah, balthazar, melandru… oh it is so unfair arenanet!!
can you guys pay the rent and the bills with the gold from gw2? because if that is possible, i could start farming too

Shh, calm down dear. All this anger is bad for your skin.

You’re asking questions that have obvious answers. People want gold for shinies or stats, and this is the fastest way to get shinies or stats. You’re the only one raging here.

Amadan.9451:

Phaedryn.3698:

Well, had ANet not been systematically nerfing any decent farming spot, thing like this wouldn’t happen. You can thank them for one more in a series of dumb kitten design choices. So glad I started playing RIFT.

it’s not arenanet fault 8it’s always easy to blame them for everybody, but the fault is ours, of the players), how else would you stop this from happening? they only changed it so you have an actual reward for completing the event.
can you imagine if people stopped farming having the loot plus the reward?
but since this is not going to happen we can’t have nice things.

Hate to break it to you, but they have been systematically nerfing every single farm spot, even ones literally designed for farming.
I agree with Lyssa getting nerfed, because really it was bad design and unintentional in the first place. Then they started nerfing actual farming spots with no quests there that were literally purposed to farm in. Now we have people doing the most efficient farming route atm, which is Arah. Its not our fault thakittens the most efficient place to get gold, lol.