Guild Wars 2

Katana’s please

docMed.7692:

For StealthMy suggestion here is to introduce the WvW stealth-reveal trap (perhaps they can be purchased for accumulated supply runs) or maybe an orb that spawns later in the match and gives the channeller a buff of ‘true sight’ for a period of time would help here. I’m not saying this is completely broken, but it seems rather strong for the offensive lane to have a SA thief solo’ing guards without repercussion and also stealth running/escorting NPC’s.

I would rather have this than getting the nerf bat on a whole trait line itself. There has to be a risk for rewarding thief doing constant stealth and i feel like 4sec revealed in Spvp is not enough.
It will definitely makes the map more tactical and promote teamplay, i bet that is OP wants to say.

Did play once, got the upper hand then got ping bomb and disconnected (i feel sorry for my teammate) cant see the other side of the lane, like what are the others doing while im defending killing skritts. we need overhead camera view (optional of course).
Long story short,map is fun to play with, but the more the merrier to play it competitively.

Yakez.7561:

And I really want maps with different offensive NPC types, archers are dull.

Agreed, we need wagons.

Who knows, they might add protection on warrior if some top tier player ask for it.
Lets say your team mate pops it, its a team based game after all eh (problem solve)

choovanski.5462:

Chapell.1346:

choovanski.5462:

LordKage.9135:

Nerf Stealth.

If you block/evade/invul, that player should be revealed. Its 2 forgiving allowing a player to keep spamming his auto attack until his back stab goes off.

this needs to happen tbh. there should be no exceptions to the ‘attacking from stealth reveals you’ rule. countering backstab should not give the thief an advantage (they can attack from stealth without getting revealed).

You guys probably not heard of this one but there is a Boon called Protection.
dem thief burst no more, dem thief backstab countered, dem thief is dead, dem cry babies happy.

i don’t know why you think protection is somehow better than a block vs backstab. one has you taking no damage, and the other has you take a few thousand damage. wow sounds like a great counter, nice one.

it’s just ridiculous that the thief doesn’t get revealed just because the attack would have done no damage. the thief should be punished for trying to backstab me when im blocking, the game shouldn’t just say “don’t worry, i’ll let you stay in stealth you can just try again”. even more farcical after the adrenaline nerf.

Isn’t too obvious? here let me enlightened you.

Lets say you’re a Warrior (based on your signature)
In a team fight scenery
Thief go stealth, suddenly you heard some
Blonk Blonk Blonk (stop listening another music ffs)
and then on your screen, you saw some (Player skill called awareness)
Block Block Block (Thief says, Hi im here please swing your weapon towards this way)
Then you realize, there is a Thief stabbing your back (i hope you’re not dumb enough to noticed)
You then pop Protection and try to facetank backstab, have no fear shouts can heal you while maintaining the passive effect of your trait and heal sig.
Thief hit you (you noticed the few thousand damage dealth, as you say)
thief got 4sec revealed
block skill is on cooldown (yay)
teammate notice thief and try to poke him
thief hp went down to 40’s
thief made of glass (yay)
thief eat your F1
thief countered
thief gg.
Do i have to draw a picture?

choovanski.5462:

LordKage.9135:

Nerf Stealth.

If you block/evade/invul, that player should be revealed. Its 2 forgiving allowing a player to keep spamming his auto attack until his back stab goes off.

this needs to happen tbh. there should be no exceptions to the ‘attacking from stealth reveals you’ rule. countering backstab should not give the thief an advantage (they can attack from stealth without getting revealed).

You guys probably not heard of this one but there is a Boon called Protection.
dem thief burst no more, dem thief backstab countered, dem thief is dead, dem cry babies happy.

Sunfish.5970:

I was referring to the newly meta Hammer, Scepter/Focus build.

Really? come’on man, they just unequipped the Greatsword and equip the Hammer, (probably tweak some trait there and utilities) and viola they called it Newly Meta. we need to stop fooling ourselves, shall we.

Sunfish.5970:

but the top thieves have already figured out the match up and is much easier to deal with than gs,s/f guardians.

With what? with their wall of text on how to run kitten like this and that, must be like this and that to balance kitten out of it?. Did i miss something while i’m at the roof top?

Nice

Sunfish.5970:

Thieves just haven’t been given the time to adapt their playstyle.

Yea, i get you been 3years. wonder how much time they need, still.

Sunfish.5970:

You don’t run into a dps guardian like that. Use what you have and he doesnt.

Make sense, i’ll give you that.

Just ask the person in that thief video you linked

And please do tell him this statement of yours.

This game isnt balanced around pure 1v1’s. That’s the beauty of it.

Definitely a must, will buy it on gem store for 30days at a reasonable price.

Another cry4nerf, man i thought only those chosen top tier few has the right to do so.
them kittens always amused me

Will the match manipulation be fair this time? not gonna play and become test subject give some data and get no reward

Hear hear hear, it seems like a top tier player skill issue. no?

zone.1073:

But seeing one of the most competitive teams NA get crushed in an international tournament because their Necro got camped and picked off .

Rofl, carry on.

Cool changes, better than nothing. i’ll adapt.

Stun break pressed multiple times but nothing happen. keyboard broke need new one.

Turrets engi is godly when played well, i dont wanna be disrespectful to those NA top tier team and champion with their hotjoin composition, but when a skilled one play (i knew a few gamer, which will remain anonymous) and know how to placed their turrets well in the whole map, man, they like wards (yea,we esport) they can illuminate the whole minimap for his allies. i mean down their turret engi is viable and godly when played well.

I am showrtbow thief so i dont spam 2 hard heh.

I say matchmaking is borke, eretime i qued, i keep getting paired with people know how to play conquest and always communicating in team chat. i don’t care who am i against with.
i mean wth, please fix i am suppose to paired with people whose good at swearing word and trashtalking my entire team for 15mins, let me paired with them again, bring back the old one. i dont mind being paired and against with 9people in teamspeak. please help i miss their swearing words and let me F$%#&k my asian mom again. thanks in advance.

People in this game when will you get satisfaction.

You do not need to seek another class to get better, just practice on your guardian and it will do you good.
Do some hotjoin, i heard there are bunch of bloodthirsthy mouthbreathing savages lurking in Anets official hotjoin Room 001, hop in and tell them i send you there to seek wisdom. go play wit them, be alert because they will slaughter you continuesly until your brain and muscle function, you will die endlessly but learn from your mistake aswell as your victories. until then you will learn more things about the game mode and your class.

Nahh, just ask them nicely they will heed and give you some superior advice and
they will do you no harm, you have my word.

Lurk in shadow, kill your prey faster as much as possible, keep in mind you are always needed everywhere.
withdraw if the wind is against you, always keep track of your ally aswell as enemy.

Oh and stop dying.

Lets put it this way
Conquest= You only need to prevent your enemy getting/gaining point.
and no need to remove something working as intended.

Guys dont take meta too seriously, i mean meta are for those carebears (oh wait).

Nice, who says gunslinger is not viable in Pvp. you prove them wrong OP.

They are both team oriented, why not try D/p 6/6/0/0/2?
rumors says it is a viable build also but a lot of risk and reward involve, even in S/d works as well.

Your job as a theif is to spike down target

And this, refrain your self for being a Rambo.

Corvette.5687:

Since SR trapped us in a confined space and easy to be targeted by AOE damage and condition, I have used SR in PVP but not to stealth from the enemy, but to lure my enemy to keep hitting an empty SR. (lol)

Currently, I use SR on a empty AOE at the conner and use smoke bomb / bow 5skill to flee. It’s fun to see a ranger, zerker necromancer keep applying AOE skill on an empty area. (lol)

A clever man, thank you for sharing good sir.

There is little love for those of my kind in this place, yet I am here to help save them all.
come on people do not take hotjoin seriously, its all about having fun under the sun. as for those accused cheaters, slaves will always be a slaves.

supvil.3470:

Chapell.1346:

Nope, we do not need Dota or LoL player opinion.

I gave my opinion a lot (on this and my main acc) and im probs the most experienced wow player on these boards (plz correct me if im wrong).

Same applies to Anets GW2. The main focus points should be:

- build up and depth of combat: meta builds should be deep and interesting to play. If you dont have that youll will lose a big group of players who couldve been the building blocks of a real proper esports scene (like my old teammates).
- readability of micro gameplay: pulling of a quality “move” should be noticeable for everyone who has a bit of experience with the game. Especially in a game that evolves around reflexes we should have more moments in top tier tournaments where the audience can enjoy the “woah did he just do that” highlights.
- A solid competetive system that makes people play more, push for higher ratings and get rewarded for it when they do. At this moment we have a system that rewards everyone equally which means ppl getting bored. There is no incentive to play more for a relatively big group of players. And dont get me started about placing totally new players in the same games as top 20 players with 10k+ games under their belt.

Thank you good sir for some good input, may they read this and think what is valuable in terms of MMORPG.

I agree 5v5 is becoming boring to play, a lot of them asking for shaves because they cant burst down a bunker (such a one sided).

We need new game mode called 8v8 conquest rated battle. atleast in large scale i have another objective role, to defend a node as a
Thief (glass) when my team act tough and want to become a carry (believe me, i am more useful in large scale combat) and release the
Guild ladder system exclusively.

Oh and put some new gold sink called Tournament tickets cos pros and farmers has a lot of golds and gems, another new thing let
those guild fights on 8guild versus 8guild (the more the merrier) also exclusive on rated 8v8 match only, so that Shoutcasters will be
focus on tactics (its how you Command) and crutches in large scale not in 1v1 individuality skill kitten, heard some rumors NA is superior
in that matter heh.
Come on anet give us (casuals) some love.

I expect nothing, but i feel left behind. is the youtube video already up yet?

Nope, we do not need Dota or LoL player opinion ( i know, your clicking ability is beyond godlike). all we need is WoW player Opinion or different MMORPG player opinion, i heard blizzard gonna launch Warlords of Draenor, any news on whats in that content is? prolly some Pve content right.

Kitt.2567:

common, it is mmorpg that every 1 would do anything to Farm for something.

Lol, please don’t mind me and carry on.

Lets face it people, we do not belong on Player killing scene were made for Killing A.i’s.
I feel sorry (respect) for all the D/d thieves and wants to bring their weapon set on the top, despite how cruel the nerf we got since launch and counting.

Lift up thy weapons and must be steadfast, strong and brave of heart
they who hesitate and stumble shall not be rewarded.

Is there any by chance Team Paradigm will come back and play? you know their individuality skill in conquest this past 2years has become obseleet.

If by chance, will they going to use paradigm shifting like ravager,ravager,ravager? (double eles and double engis)
or will they use commando,ravager,synergist or medic like guardians,necromancer,eles oh and thief. heh.

Please bring back 8v8 game is not balance on 5v5 moba type league of kitten.

Hahaha in which case, i would like to say, fairwind and happy hunting traveler may you succeed in your mission. meow~ that’s right~

Wow none of you has the balls, fine ill say it.
Gentlemen, we’re killing bots/programs since the dawn of dinosaurs. now go ask yourself, how come your twitch.tv champion got such high ratings despite how casually(oh wait) them play? and the fact pvp community has no population existent? who knows, prolly some multiple accounts of an lordling or princessling.

DanSH.6143:

Chapell.1346:

“There are those who can awaken, and those who are doomed to sleep”.

I asked a dev about meow and they said its working as intended.
He said “with great meow comes great responsability”.

Exactly, so let us not waste more time reporting them. as i stated they play for fun, this game must meant to be play for fun. right. given the fact the competitiveness in top tier play(oh wait).

I vowed to him I will use meow to clear the game out of nub buildd.

ill just leave it right here. see the infection?

Its wrong but Im so angry and its so fun..

Different roads sometimes lead to the same castle. goodluck

Did not play rated for very long time (apologies for lack of knowledge in meta), cos everytime i play rated battle i get paired with decent people and get matched against high rated players (supposed to be not).
Did i miss something or players in this game playing rated battle has improve their knowledge in conquest?

I told them that, game will never be competitive (maybe in gw3) as long as those pussey exist in this game, they are the real cancer among’s Player vs players. but how dare us to question them if they play for fun and you know such ingame politics (course money involve).
I wish i could teach them to open their eyes, but as the saying goes, “There are those who can awaken, and those who are doomed to sleep” and words are not enough.

@OP Macros? come on, stop degrading your level of play and mind.
You can do better than that!.

Becka Williams.4978:

Again, why should I stay on the losing team?

To challenge yourself,gain more knowledge in conquest and your prey.
isn’t it fun especially in hotjoin were you can choose side?

Nahh, reading all your statement and such (in this thread only) no need to go that far (if you also read my statement) and i feel like, i need to invest more 5k hrs before i can level my self on you heh. atleast we know the different path we choose to walk. for that i stand corrected.

Oh and i apologize, for thy rudeness cos i suddenly barge in and talk nonsense. i am sorry for doing such, but i learn so much reading and some cross words between players for that i thank you and fairwind.

Coldtart.4785:

Chapell.1346:

I mean, i use stealth i stalk them at their back (cos only amateur thief will steal in front of his prey) i wait till stealth depleted and timed my steal and they can evade such insta cast skill? Huehuehue.
where is the element of surprise?

In other words, you’ll do the ‘obvious best move’, get out-predicted and whiff both stealth and steal because it was obvious.

Yeah, thought that also. lets just say enemy prey using some 360 3d monitor. who knows.

That would only work against someone that isn’t aware of that play. I think most people can count to 3 seconds.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/7-spies-of-the-mind
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/solvability

Any tips and links about using LoS before going stealth, cos i wanna make sure my prey in team fights is definitely not aware on me though (cos ima thief) high risk high reward?
Thanks in advance.

Chapell.1346:

Coldtart.4785:

I’ve had times when I’ve dodged steal from the same thief 3 times in a row. That isn’t random dodging; I knew he wanted to use steal on me when I pressed dodge. He wasn’t playing on the same level I was and so, to me, his instant cast steal was as easy to see coming as a pve mob’s attack.

I agree with OP Steal need a cast time, its too obvious to predict a insta cast skill to evade such. i bet top tier thieves knew that as well. rofl

I will quote my self until they will feel bad.

I mean, i use stealth i stalk them at their back (cos only amateur thief will steal in front of his prey) i wait till stealth depleted and timed my steal and they can evade such insta cast skill? Huehuehue.
where is the element of surprise?

Justin ODell.9517:

the algorithm is not perfect.

Checkmate.

Hah!, OP knew how to use the word bait now eh? Fight Club, i laugh hard in this. i like this, no harm done its all about learning.
Now bring me and my crew on equal footing against those Champions of yours, engrave in that tombstone and we will show you how conquering works instead of 1v1.

Coldtart.4785:

I’ve had times when I’ve dodged steal from the same thief 3 times in a row. That isn’t random dodging; I knew he wanted to use steal on me when I pressed dodge. He wasn’t playing on the same level I was and so, to me, his instant cast steal was as easy to see coming as a pve mob’s attack.

I agree with OP Steal need a cast time, its too obvious to predict a insta cast skill to evade such. i bet top tier thieves knew that as well. rofl

Maugetarr.6823:

@ Chapell: This thread is about bringing up the utility side of DB so that it can be useful in both power and condi builds.

That is what i did, so its my fault now for spoon feeding all of you? oh dear, people in this sub forum need to play more and stop changing a non broken weapon skill.
No offense, i guess you need more another 5k hrs of play to do so.

Maugetarr.6823:

It doesn’t need a damage boost as Crucify has pointed out, but the pre/after cast make it a detriment to the set as a whole.

Oh please, i did not say it need a damage boost and please pin point which of my statement that i ask for a damage boost on DB. please re read the whole thread and which is which asking for buff changes and compensation (please name and shame them). (and for the sake of defense) as i stated it doesn’t need a change for thy skill is working as intended didn’t i say its all about teaching the fools?

you’re welcome.

Desperate? How many ballistic daggers should i need to throw so that my words will reach your warlord, commander/ leader? come on gentlemen do not dissapoint me. go conquer china i don’t mind. fine, i will say it one more.

(to whom it may concern)
Killing is my business, you cant lure me with such man made paper. Bring me and my crew against your elite champions in that tombstone on equal ground, choose if you like we do not care who we fighting (them wannabes) we conquer.

yours truly.

Wow, i thought this thread is about DB being useless cos other fellow thieves doesn’t know how to use it properly.
and some of you suggested that, must need to increase the evade frame cos its unfair that other weapon set has more evade time frame and remove the bleeding at all and by compensating must increase the damage of the said dual weapon skill.

Gentlemen, i stand corrected.