Guild Wars 2

Thanks McGinley, we appreciated having FoE back for the time that we did.

Seigfried.5938:

Is it true that FoE is leaving too?

Whether or not you are on SoS, please refrain from speculating here on who’s leaving or not.

Unless a guild wants to make it’s departure plans public, all this does is add fuel to a fire that should have never been lit.

We don’t want to air out anyone’s laundry here, but SoS is once again going through a little transition.

We got a little burnt by the actions of a few, but the majority of us are going to stick it out and rebuild.

We remain a server committed to making GW2 as fun as possible for all on our server, we remain the warm home to all our good friends from the lands of giant spiders and hobbits (and the rest of Oceania).
We’ll also do our best to backup our loot bag pickup truck every night in WvW and collect donations

SykkoB.9465:

i got 2 question tho for jq

1: is agg staying on (insert servername)?

The funniest thing you can post in gw2 wvw forums. This is their 8th or 9th server?

Snowreap (Ken), are you going to try the numbers again for tomorrow?
I never cease to be amazed by Anet’s ability to continually defy statistics in regard to SoS matchups and I’m curious to how much they’ll bend the space-time continuum this next week.

I personally think they are going find some amazing way to match us up with AR and SBI just to tank our score and get a laugh.

I’m thinking the OP is a troll from BG, pretending to be a troll from SoR.

Don’t get me wrong, I think this is an outrageous affront to the WvWvW community. It’s been a proud tradition that the 1 & 3 servers gain-up on number two. Number 1 gets rid of the possible contender while number 3 plays for second.

Now, it’s all topsy-turvy!! The weaker two servers actually went for the stronger server!? Going for the challenge, rather than copping out and chest-thumping on the forums?

This is outrageous, harumph harumph harumph!

Seriously, I got mad respect for SoR and how they went from 17 to 1. Yet you guys need to put a muzzle on the OP and the others like him. They are shaming your entire server. If the only way to take you down is to 2 v 1; then so be it. Being number One was never meant to be easy and it’s the GREAT FAILURE of WvW that it ever became so.

So… someone explain what happened this week. Try to do it without excessive QQ or such trite nonsense as 2v1.

Near as I can tell from being a very casual observer is that RG went to JQ, took away some of IRON’s mojo. Then RG’s leader hit R6 in WvW kills and promptly disbanded the guild?

Tell me, are you guys still drinking drama in bottle form, are just mainlining it from an IV now?

I’ve missed too much this week to get a good grasp on EB. I’m not overly impressed but they put up a decent fight.

DB, is still governed by the “Conservation of Ninjitsu” as they were back the last time we met. I’ve never seen so many large groups of WvW’rs be so squeamish about open battles.

Yes, from a PPT point of view is probably is smarter to break your superior numbers up to take multiple targets as we retake a single target. However, who wants to win like that?

I can count the number of DB’rs last night, who stood and fought in open terrain, on one hand.

Oh well, everyone has been so happy to be away from TC that it’s all good.

I will say that DB has been much more gentlemanly (no insult to the ladies of your server) than others have claimed and have been good sports.
I won’t be upset if we get matched again.

EB, I don’t think we got a good chance to size each other up. Hopefully we’ll get a chance to mix it up without a T2 server looking over our shoulders.

I recommend any of the #12 thru #7 servers. Every one of them have their good and bad points, but you it’s pretty much accepted that we have the best combat for mid to small-sized guilds.

I think with the downed state and so many ways to be brought back from the brink, that healing would just break the game at this point.

More than once, moderate healing has helped me prevent dying from AoE; and it seems well balanced.

Direct healing would be near pointless in WvW and AoE healing on a big scale would make every siege take days.

This isn’t a “zerg” issue. Lag has increased greatly since the last update, to the point where 20 on 20 skirmishes are lagging out.

Inversely, I noticed a smoother experience in PvE (slight, but noticeable).

I approve of any attempts to make the PvE experience more immersive, but the skill lag is bad when even small skirmishes lag out. I can only imagine in T1 what it’s like to wait 3 minutes for a #1 press to activate.

IMO, most servers that can fill all 4 maps (outside of reset night) typically don’t really have much in the way of a community.

That being said, 60 is too low; and doesn’t address the situations where you have 10-12 people akitten the citadel almost all weekend long.

Simple fix, anti-zerg trap. Trap triggers and damage increases in proportion to the number of people in a 2000 unit range.

How would you like to lay one of these in EBG, on the main road to the supply camp, and then walk away. Then 3 min later, 20 bags at your feet!

That, more than anything, will discourage mega-zergs and the desire to go to T1 and fight in massive mega-zergs.

It would shake things up, that is for sure.

Vena.8436:

No, 2014 (and it isn’t planned to launch early in 2014) is not right around the corner. People have this strange illusion about TESO as if it had launched and demonstrated anything at all in a real environment. Ever wonder why they hyped their game with a cinematic and then deferred the release by over a year?

Then there is no reason why GW2 cannot have it’s kitten in order long before the launch of that game.

I admit that I never played DaoC or Warhammer, but this is the largest PvP format I’ve ever played in. The base of it, is solid and has some excellent mechanics.

Tower design and siege all seem relatively balanced (arrow cart mastery has thrown a few wrenches into the works) and everyone agrees when the numbers are ~ even; that there is a good time to be had by all.

Even better news, there are a myriad of ways that ANet can choose to tackle these problems via design changes and tweaking buffs/debuffs. They don’t have to resort to any of the ham-handed suggestions like punishing different timezones (the world doesn’t revolve around anyone) or necessarily tweaking player caps (though I think that one is worth exploring).

The first, which will make a lot of people happy, are new and redesigned maps. Terrain/geography, and the design of the towers/keeps can be made in such a way that defending “native” land gets easier (can be done with fewer numbers) as the enemy pushes in and inversely.
A good example is EBG, where red has some terrain advantages that does not make things easy for green and blue.

The other, is another buff to Outmanned. Now, I like the changes made. I think getting rid of armor damage was a fantastic step in the right direction. I think they should add scalability to it. Not so much as a buff in personal stats, because all that will do is encourage people to just go after camps and nothing else.
I think a buff to the amount of supply that is needed for siege would be a HUGE equalizer.

You ever take a keep with 5 people? build a ram, knock the door down, go back for supply, go to inner…
What if that ram could be built with 20 supply?

That would not only give the outmanned attackers an advantage, but it would force the occupiers to actually devote resources to defending their holdings. Such mechanics would drastically alter the math when one server has significantly more people to field.

Gamadorn.2659:

I agree there is an easy EASY fix for population. Open free transfers for two weeks. Lower the queue limit on each map to say 60. Done. Watch all the guilds with large groups 1.) Break into smaller 30 man groups to accommodate. 2.) Transfer to servers with a lower population.

^This^

The current way ANet is administrating WvW seems to only benefit the Gem Shop in terms of server-stacking and discouraging WvW play all together so that you want to buy more dragon coffers.

We’ve already seen the difference between the top three tiers alone. SoS got zerged by TC, and SoR still smashed TC even while their largest guild went on “vacation” to another server.

If the development team honestly thinks that this is how it’s meant to be, then I’ll start saving for a ESO subscription.

ArenaNet, if you are reading, please manually adjust the numbers or turn the thing off for a week.

On behalf of EVERYBODY (who’s not on EB :P )

Like I said earlier, most of the EU servers are lumped in closer in ratings range. A natural phenomenon when you have one server just massively dominating and two at the bottom that don’t play at all.

There’s not only 1 less tier in NA, but since NA typically has a broader timezone (as we include SEA and Oceanic players as well, outside two EU guilds in T1) we have even a greater than average variation in coverage.

NA has had so many T1 servers fall apart, that it’s permanently hosed the ability for us to get a mid-ground. I think for NA alone they should have gone with the original idea of resetting the ratings.

Everyone will find their spots sooner and just scrap RNG influenced matches because they are not fixing the ratings gap(s) in NA; or the real problem with map stagnation in NA.

Exactly how often did the old system kitten up?

There was Kaineng’s rise to T2, but that could have been messed up and taken longer in the new system (if they rolled low a few times, it could have been even more painful for the other servers.

There was Ehmry Bay stuck in T5 and Sea of Sorrows stuck in T4

EB was stuck because SBI and CD were trading blows until CD got a fresh infusion and map stagnation got to SBI in a bad way.

SoS was stuck because the glicko rating system was never designed around the idea that someone else would be scoring points while the other opponent(s) were sleeping; and SBI and CD were competitive with us in NA (especially CD).

So basically, the only thing that needed to be fixed was that there was a lot of parity in the mid-high to mid-level servers in EU in terms of score but not in ability; and that we have an Oceanic server that is not WvW focused.

Yep, roll out the fire trucks, you better mess everything up and build from scratch????

Try to remember to take a screenshot if it happens. I did get an ascended ring from my very first chest (somewhere in the 20’s) but nothing but greens since.

Question about those numbers, Ken. Why doesn’t Fort Aspenwood show up on them? In ratings they are light years closer to us than TC (TC is twice as close to JQ than they are to us and DB is equi-distant).
Maguuma, CD, and KN are closer to us than all three.

Is it volatility?

Well, if’s Snow’s numbers are right I’ll be going on a roadtrip tomorrow night. (I would anyhow, but I can actually be happy about it).

Snowreap.5174:

only 2 million rolls? I’ll do some runs with 100 million rolls and add my data to that thread.

-ken

Please do. His data shows SoS-CD-EB; and I’m supposed to go on a trip this weekend. If that’s going down, I may just have to suffer my wife’s wrath or come down with some dengue fever in order to make that one!

I really think a new WvW map is called for (at least 1), put it on a rotation or something.

The current setup is great, but people know every nook and cranny. There are hundreds of youtube videos showing you every place you can place a treb that can’t be hit, every place that certain siege should go for max effectiveness…and so on.

It’s gone from open-world warfare to a chess game.

I can do it with my warrior, especially since I’ve invested in WvW infusions and have most of my points in “Guard Killer”

Why invest in AC mastery when I’m a warrior and should be on the front lines anyhow LOL

kRAVen.4195:

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Actually it comes from a genuine desire to see you do better. Though SoS is my new home, I started on CD and still have some fondness for you guys.

Sorry you took it so negatively, but CD is in a good position to better themselves if they so desire. I hope that things continue to get better over there.

On a side note, I see TC is laying off the pain sauce today, and we might get some interesting fights this evening.

Well, I think that CD needs a break next week and then they need to get some stuff in order. When they are in the zone, they hit the old T3 like a tank so they can expect to regularly face opponents like SoS and Mag at least 50% of the time.
Outside of crapshoot weeks like this, I think they are at a crossroads and can decide if they are the scrappy kings of T4, or another ‘also ran’ down there with SBI and IoJ.

LameFox.6349:

Though I think he may actually have been strangely fortunate, as even though the thief caught up I saw near their invul zone he got attacked and ended up retreating. Maybe somewhere out there that random upleveled CD warrior is still alive after all, lol.

Finally something CD can use in their recruiting! Leroy Jenkins has joined their server!

Glittergirl,
I’ll go on the assumption, probably wrong, that this isn’t a troll post. Just don’t…please don’t.
There is no server that you can pick out of all the NA servers that won’t break all of WvW for everyone. +400 WvW’rs is more than the entire Friday night population of any server below T2.

I promise you that if you move to T1, the other servers will disband, that no one will face you, and you’ll just be running around with nothing to do all but 2 hours a week.

The only way I can condone this action, is if this a protest move intended to permanently break WvW; to prove to ANet how much they have broken the system to force them to either address the format or go become Armenian sheepherders.

I sometimes wonder if this is what happens when a bad mathematical experiment meets a bad psychological test.

I will say there is one thing of value in all this. Each server is learning what it’s made of, and knows who will be there when rockbottom hits.

I propose that TC takes tonight and rings the CD citadel with ballistae and AC, take pictures and post them here so that it will settle the issue on whether or not TC is spawn camping CD and end that debate.

Do this tonight from 6-9pm server time and offer a gold a piece to every CD player who gets to quaggan island and takes a time-stamped screenshot of them making it (no camping the island or lake). Like the inverse of Cuban refugees, they are safe once they hit the water.

Then everyone will have something real to QQ about.

Or we can just admit that this system sucks and hope that Mr. Carver gets tired of the hate-mail and tweaks the system.

Toxic.4320:

Not in the maps we didn’t.

Exactly the point everyone is making. No one expects CD to pull a miracle out of it’s bottom on this one; but no one was even capping camps.

The most one-sided WvW match in history, was not last week (though we felt like it), was SoS (on the way to T1) vs IoJ and HoD (after Titan’s left).

Now the IoJ crew were a bunch of forum warrior jerks at that time (maybe they went to Maguuma? j/k) so there was little incentive by anyone to give them a break. These were servers that had been in T1 in the previous 3 weeks, so there was no quarter or mercy (+600 ticks, 24/7, ballistae outside each portal). It was black letter day for sportsmanship and fair-play.

Something about those trash-talkers though, they didn’t give up. On every map they had a few clueless idiots who were still going after camps and killing dolyaks the entire time (I don’t remember if there were sentries yet). Keep in mind this was when there were till orbs buffing all their enemies and no WXP rewards.

CD has just as many WvW NA players as SoS on reset nights, and has shown that they can get a crowd in late week from the last two matchups.

I know for a fact last night that TC had too many people burning effigies and not in WvW. From 7 – 8:30 we capped all but one tower and Hills on SoSBL, I think you could have gotten a tower and 3 camps in that time without breaking a sweat.

I have mad props for the people on CD still coming out, but it seems like very, very few of you are.

Here is the simple truth to the CD folks,
You are right, no one should tell you how to play. You should also not silence people who stand up and suggest what EVERYONE agrees are good battlefield tactics.

CD has bled more WvW guilds than probably anyone other than SBI. There is a reason for this.
NAGA, AWE, EDMW (or whatever they were called, I forget), the entire Synergy Alliance, and so on.

There is a format for 5 man PvP, and it’s not called WvW. Why would anyone aspire to picking off up-levelled stragglers and flipping camps far from the fighting.

SoS was ticking +205 last night while you were ticking +20, despite the fact that you have a numerical advantage in NA over us.

That’s what organization does, that’s what never say die does.

You can squander what’s left of your potential, pray that folks will keep transferring like KWBH, and drift down till 5 man zergs are all you have.

As I side note, I just saw the latest post from ‘the voice of the people’ telling someone to transfer…
Yeah, they probably will.

Aieo.2815:

There’s nothing wrong with flipping camps as long as the main zerg is taking advantage of it and is aware of the ops team.

Judging by the tone he set towards a member of his own server, I don’t think he talks to anyone in the ‘main zerg’

It’s fine that he plays that way, but he has no business trying to stop a servermate from trying to fix their crapped out situation.

I want to see TC, DB, and JQ (sorry FA, you get to be in the middle of that stank sandwich with T1)

I want SoS, Mag, and EB . All three servers think they can take the other two…this needs to happen in the WORST way!

CD can get their dream matchup again as well.

Lastly, have ET and FC face Vabbi (send GoM to EU for a week LOL) so they can look in the mirror again.

Jakob’s group are one of the best hitman teams in all of WvW. No straggler is safe from them. I will put their 4-7 people against any other team of similar size in the game and bet on them.

I also think their collective contribution to PPT can be measured in single digits and they haven’t done a single thing for their server and should be the last people anyone on CD should listen to when it comes to bettering their situation.

If your goal is to flip camps and kill stragglers, you play like Jakob. If you want to capture keeps and hold them against waves of attackers, you’ll start finding like-minded folks and start training.

I’ve said some things, not kind things, about CD in the past. Their WvW community the first month and a half was toxic and the QQ in some of the SoS-CD-SBI threads was pitiful.

Yet I see this situation here, see the effort they put in the last 2 matches; and think they are about to really get their ship in order.

It all starts at the guild level. Call your guildies out on their dungeon build. I have guildies I really like, but I still give them crap when they are the first to die.
Build a comprehensive strategy on how you will play as a group. Have a role for every profession, recommended builds that they are encouraged to use.
Your guild’s play will stand out, and militia will flock to you when you show up on the map.
You find guilds and commanders you want to work with, avoid the egotists and trolls. You build an alliance.

This does not happen easily or quickly. It takes people time to realize that VoiP is the only way to WvW properly, and that if they don’t like eating dirt for a week straight; that you need to adapt the game and stop waiting for the game to adapt to you.

ANet has made it clear that they are going to continue to implement policies that value coverage over play. We need to face the grim truth that the developers have no plans, outside of ceasing letting the enemy see your outmanned buff, to address this.

Only you and your guild can affect how WvW will go for your server.

All respect to Snowreap and his server, they are the only server that needed a drastic correction of this magnitude. It was mostly needed due to them getting the same T5 matchup the first week.

By allowing a fully randomized system, instead of a supervised random system be implemented, EB has yet to hit their true score value.

My complaint since minute one was the possibility of servers playing servers ranked 7 places higher than them, and despite promises that this would rarely happen, it’s been in fact, the norm since this system was implemented.
Proving that ANet WvW team knows as little about the mathematics of probability as I do; the difference being is that I never kittened anyone over because of it.

What needs to happen, is they need to setup the RNG system, with a simple script (you can probably find a site that will do it online, don’t bother writing the code) and then manually enter the servers for that matchup. Then, when you see CD facing TC, you hit “reroll” until you have a matchup that keeps matches within realistic parameters.

For instance, as much as I hate facing TC (I’m on SoS), I freely admit that it’s not a ridiculous matchup. Fort Aspenwood sucks a couple of matches, and we could switch places. Then we would be true T2 (though the kick-around dog of the tier).

What about CD though? They won squeakers the last two weeks and I think we had a very accurate picture of what they were capable of. There was no need to put them against TC when they could not beat a server 3 places lower (that was curbstomped by TC for 2 weeks straight), that they failed to beat for 8 straight weeks before.

This was the problem with the glicko math as well. A few judgement calls and “bumps” either up or down would have prevented match stagnation.

As a result of this I have a vision of Devon as the Director from RvB; “The SYSTEM will determine the order!”

I think about how much better my server (SoS) would be right now if we hadn’t just relied upon coverage to beat CD and SBI for weeks. We’re paying in spades for the bad habits developed at that time.
What if, no matter what the time of day it was or who you were facing; you knew that you could go into WvW; right now, on any server; and get a quality fight? Win or lose, you log in and the fights are decided by your skill and organization.

Don’t get me wrong, the WvW focused servers of T1 and T2 will still carry the day with their 50+ organized guild roamers; but you won’t be eating PuG grind all week long at least.

coke.8509:

Had some good duels today in tc with a few guys from each server. To bad SoS ruined it by repeatedly coming in with 5+ mid fights. Show some class. Better yet act like you have it.

How dare we come in and PvP in WvW. Unless you were behind the windmill, I don’t want to hear it.

I like Ahn’s idea. Little things like that, that make it easier for an outmanned group to get the ball rolling. Once people start seeing little successes taking place, more people will take a chance on WvW and the overall match quality will increase.

They are going to hide the “outmanned buff” finally some good news from Mr. Carver.

I think what Devon means to say is “transfer to SoR now!”

Everyone who thinks that Devon is a plant from the ESO development team, please raise your hand.

No, Wenn Jie is right. I know the professional WvW community on TC hates this matchup.

That’s why we haven’t seen too many single guild zergs since Friday and Saturday (TSL and ZN, awesome fights!)

Last night, I saw mishmash mobs that numbered over 50 people. It’s clear that the casual players on TC are out in force.

We don’t hold anyone responsible and I’m sure that would be true of either SoS or CD were facing this kind of matchup. If CD took IoJ’s place in that matchup or we took Kaineng’s?
There would be shameless conga line dance parties, circling SM all night long!

I remember T4 on Friday nights after our Oceanics started logging on. It was an endurance test to see how much time we could spend playing “whack-a-mole” on our home BL as we ran in a roving pack between Lowlands, South camp, and Vale.

Let’s keep it friendly here. No one from TC is the problem, it’s the system that is failing us all.

Yeah, a good night on WvW (balanced or winning) will net you between 1G-2G

You could probably beat that just farming world bosses and Orr.

It’s all a matter of what you are looking for, what time-zone you are in, etc.

I think you can’t go wrong with most of the T2-T4 servers. TC, DB, SoS, CD, EB (Technically T4 but moving up) are my tops (I’m SoS myself).

They are large enough to have organized group play, but small enough that individual contributions still matter.

Calvin.5380:

Last week we fought BG and JQ. SoS has been fighting T1/T2 servers for the last three weeks. Nobody is complaining, except Mags.

No, to be fair; we’re complaining a lot. We just know it’s not personal from ANet. I’m sure that all the times that we killed Izzy (on SBI) has nothing to do with it...

LOL j/k but everyone is getting at least one turn in the RNG Chair O’ Fun

Hickeroar.9734:

Ethics.4519:

Hickeroar.9734:

Ethics.4519:

fishball.7204:

Nobody cares about points when you can’t even move out from spawn on your own borderlands to cap a camp or tower lol.

The sad part is our points are increasing lol

Not this week. You’re down 26 points as of this writing.

Thanks for missing the point.

The system is “working” from a numbers perspective. The ratings are more accurate than ever. The problem is that a lot of people aren’t actually having fun anymore with this crap.

amen. I’m sure you’re just as tired of seeing us as we are of you LOL.

I see no way it can happen without SoS or FA getting kittened over royally; but I am curious to see how a TC, DB, JQ match would turn out.

Don’t get me wrong, it’d be dreadful for the T2 folks, but I wonder if DB and TC did a 2v1, would JQ win and by how much?

Hickeroar.9734:

Remind me never to pay you guys a compliment again. You should try taking the encouragement in the spirit in which it was meant instead of transmuting it into something unintended.

It’s not all TC folks, but some people are putting a condescending tone into their posts, whether they know it or not.

After last week with SoR, you know exactly the kind of posts I am talking about.

Oh, the BFF comment was just the kind of things that got kicked around that week. I’m sure there was plenty of forum hate.

And because someone mentioned it, I’m STILL fiending for Mag-SoS-EB matchup. That needs to happen before they can this system.

TC,
First off, stop the big brother routine. You know, where a 15 yo beats his 10 yo brother at basketball and says things that sound encouraging, but are really just condescending because we are NOT your 10 year old brother.

With that out of the way, I want to say thank you. Thank you for whooping on our PuGs and militia so brutally.

No, I don’t wish ill on them; just the opposite. I want everyone on SoS who does WvW to learn that all beserker gear doesn’t work. Want everyone in heavy armor fully decked out in PVT gear and running with consumables.

I want our newer commanders (even including myself in this one) to get used to communicating with their groups in Team Chat and learning to not fear repair bills.

I want people to download TS3 and actually use it, so that we aren’t typing "War and Peace" every 30 seconds just to take back a supply camp.

Because the last 2 weeks, we had excuses. "FA and TC are larger and BFF’s" or "SoR is just too big."
With FA hitting hard times, we face the real possibility of taking their place if things get worse over there. That means that we should be facing you every week.

There’s no good reason, even with the overwhelming numbers, we should be down 80k by Monday.
Don’t get me wrong, we can’t beat you and we can’t match your coverage. However there is no reason for us to be losing like we are...other than fatigue and Zhaitaffy (ok, we deserve some slack..this time)

We’ll work on our end and since ANET just thinks we’re perfect for each other, we’ll work on putting on a better match next time (this week’s a wash already, but we’ll see if we can salvage it).