Guild Wars 2

I don’t have an answer since I love playing with my guild and I really like the community on SoS.

I will say I have the most respect for CD, TC, and SoR; but only because I played against them.

Is this really only a day old? LOL, try SoS if you are looking to make an impact with a small Ops group. We’re a stable T3 server and we need 5 man groups like yours in any timeslot (well Oceanic is pretty stable, but they wouldn’t turn away any help either).

Thank goodness, and thank you and your team for addressing this Mr. Carver.

you can toilet anything, even karma items. Before the Orrian boxes I started toileting Temple gear because I had nothing for my karma to go to.

There is no sweet spot, because if the lords get harder; then there is less incentive to try and surpise attack an enemy when you are on the ropes.

Maybe guards and lords/supervisors should get an outmanned buff as well?

I’m also all for personalizing the lords, give them grandiose or even humorous names to make them stand out. “Fred The Fragile, Lord of Dreaming Bay”

I read the 2013 status update on where the game is going. They have great things for PvE, just the entire kitchen sink thrown at it with 4 full-time teams working on new content.

For WvW, they are bringing back the orbs (or something similar) that will “change the dynamics”.
The orbs were a failure because they let the dominating team dominate even more insanely; is this going to be any different?

What I’m wondering, because my point of view is becoming incredibly more jaded, is this going to be yet further incentive for people to bandwagon to winning servers; or is this going to be a system that “anybody” can make a play for in spite of numbers?

SoS, Mag, CD – and I’d have to leave the forums for the week LOL

I’d like to see JQ vs TC and FA.

That would settle a few things for starters. FA, deserves the pain for the way they’ve been playing in EB this entire matchup.

JQ is going all over these forums complaining about how bad off they are, and TC needs a challenge since even DB is crying uncle about facing them.

If JQ wins, they’ll shut up about how bad off they are and maybe count a couple of blessings. If TC wins, JQ will completely implode and the transfers will shake up the rankings (hopefully) while removing TC as the T1.5 juggernaut that beats on a T3-T4 server every week.

I think we can all agree that would work for…well everyone.

Shrouded.6450:

Don’t think CD is T3, our off peak time is stronger than theirs and yours were stronger than ours until recently. Maybe top T4….

They have gained some SEA and NA. Judging by how they are handling EB (which is, admittedly focused on BP and vice-versa) I’d say they are now a solid T3 server along with SoS and Maguuma.
I’m really hoping that T2 can get the band back together (or get a little T1 action) so that Mag, SoS, and CD can face each other for the first time ever.

echo.2053:

This system is great because it shows you what your true differences between servers is. Most servers are having a blast except maybe the ones facing the stacked servers for that week. Its funny people would rather be bored/quit then a simple transfer to lower
server.

Do you know that you are closer to us in points than SBI was when they drew us last week?

DH seems to be on an upswing but you’ll be seeing things like the rest of us if you draw one or two T3 servers on Friday.

TooBz.3065:

I think this is a pathology that runs through WvW as a whole and is not a TC thing.

I’m going to guess it’s because being a commander is like herding cats. If the commander wants to deal with the threat the 7 of you face, he has to go himself, pulling his zerg along with him.

There’s also an obvious desire to have great numerical superiority before engaging. Sure people attack 5 on 1, but they seem hesitant to do so if the odds are even 2 to 1. I’ve seen a larger force break and flee before a smaller one. I’ve also seen 10 people hide behind a wall while 7 others knocked it down with a catapult.

It tends to happen a lot, but this is where TC can and should improve. Good scouts can say, “5-8 SoS with a single cata out in the open in front of T3 walled Klovan.” and the commanders on the map should know a good small ops group that can deal with it.

I’m contending that the TC group that day was so zerged up that there was no small ops group, just 2 zergs of 30+ roaming around.

Something missed in all the FW’ing; I kinda like you guys. I also recognize that your “A” team hasn’t been trying as hard so you aren’t at “full power”. However, you will be tested eventually and I hope you don’t embarrass yourselves, (because who wants to say they got beat by a server who couldn’t cut it?)

DeWolfe.2174:

, I’m beside myself that anyone would think we don’t need more on JQ. Having even numbers is just common sense.

I think the server cap should have never been raised to the point where a server the size of JQ needs to increase it’s numbers to be competitive.

They need to cap the borderlands, and have T1 bleed out some people; that should balance out the matches nicely.

I think everyone would rather this be about skill, rather than who can throw the most warm bodies at an opponent for as many hours of the day as possible.

There are a lot of stories( Kaineng, Desolation, JQ way back) of single guilds ruining servers as they leave because they were running the forums and/or the TS3.

This is more common than most admit and usually it goes well (MOST of the folks who left SoS did so with some class); but it just takes one guild to walk away bitterly to mess things up.

You are right, but a boycott won’t work. The system will defeat itself; hopefully before it’s too late.

If WvW becomes permanently unplayable, I’ll probably leave GW2 and many others have voiced the same.

We’re all waiting for some sanity to be introduced, something to get the transfer juice to flow backwards (lowering BL caps, anytime now?) will keep gems sales up and will stabilize the pain being felt by roughly 1/2 of the servers on any given week.

If the sales drop by too much, just start selling WXP boosters and only make them available in the Gem Store.
Ka-Ching, fairness, and a happy WvW population for years.

Or just augur in and hope ESO is as schizophrenic as I’ve heard from the beat testers.

JQ has only ever left T1 once since one week matches began, why are you guys saying the “sky is falling”? There are 21 other servers in NA that are lower-ranked and have smaller populations than JQ.

Get over yourselves.

They need to lower the map caps for a few weeks. People will voluntarily deport to lower populated servers and they can raise it back up slightly.

makku.2508:

Dese.1382:

Are there more people playing sPvP then WvW?

Nope. But ANet seems really desperate to get into that esports business, which is ridiculous really. Take a look at the games they gotta compete with and wonder what ANet’s been smoking. You can’t bring a Toyota Aygo to a drag racing competition and expect to finish top3…

They look at LoL and Smite and see that these games have high populations with little monetary investment in development.

What they need to turn this around, is Organized Guild vs. Guild. People will want to watch a team, not five random guys (unless they are AH, LOL)

The difference in server coverage and time-zone coverage makes all the difference in this game at the moment.

In my own matchup thread I had some guy from TC telling me that WvW was “designed” for 30 man groups (justifying zerging for small tasks), where that is a “large” zerg" in T3 and lower (not that they don’t get bigger, of course).

In T1, running in a group of less than 20 is asking for a quick death; a group of 20 can cap an entire BL in the lowest tiers.

Anyhow, GL to AR and hopefully you can rebuild once you settle. We in SoS didn’t get any relief til we reached bedrock.

Everyone not in this match is just having a lot of popcorn reading about all this BP-EB hate while CD is stomping you both.

CD and SoS talk a lot of trash when we fight each other, but we root for them when they aren’t facing us LOL

CHIPS.6018:

Chris.3290:

CHIPS.6018:

Chris.3290:

ko killer.3692:

Oh please, the amount of times my 5 man groups have had to deal with this same issue from TC and FA is unreal.

Yeah, I was actually laughing when TC sent 30+ people to take out 5 of your guys with a cata outside Klovan. They zerg so hard that I wonder if they ever can click anything other than the #1 skill all week long.

I was laughing the whole time I ran away then got ran over by one of the few FA zergs who dared take a TC camp.

I feel bad for high tier players that are “stuck” on a low tier server. They just gets bitter and becomes a forum warrior. So sad to see.

1. Thanks for calling me high tier…I think

2. I’m not stuck, I choose SoS

3. I’m not bitter, I just have a lot of spare time that I can’t spend in game at times. If something happens that is either amusing or WTH; I’ll probably mention it.

My comment seems to have struck a nerve somehow. You guys (TC) do zerg a lot and you tend to send 30 people to do the job of 10.
Usually that’s what happens when you have a lot of PvE’rs coming in for an easier week, but since this seems to have hit so many “hardcore” TC’rs where they live maybe I was wrong in my assumption.
Either way, you enjoy your meteoric 2 point gain in the ratings and I’ll enjoy all that nice loot you have nicely given to us.

Your server don’t have manpower. Its not our problem that you only have 10 guys around to do jobs that normally requires 30, and have to pray that the enemy zerg don’t find you and wipe you out. Obvious fact is TC is bigger than SOS. If you chose SOS then BE HAPPY about being there. Stop being bitter and jealous on bigger servers. Thanks.

If you want fair even fight, you are on the wrong server my friend. 30 men zerg is the norn of WvW. Its what the game is designed around, not 10.

No jealousy, if you remember my original post I thought it funny how we can pull almost half of your EB presence to a single location with 7 people. I was laughing because if we can ever get our ducks in a row, we can do that all day long and give more numerous opponents like TC and DB a real headache.

You should be paying attention because eventually you’re going to roll high and face T1. Other than that one week with SoR you haven’t been outnumbered in some time (with all humble respect to long-time TC’rs who know that well) so you might be thinking about ways to get around the numbers situation(s) yourselves and still have fun in off weeks.

CHIPS.6018:

Chris.3290:

ko killer.3692:

Oh please, the amount of times my 5 man groups have had to deal with this same issue from TC and FA is unreal.

Yeah, I was actually laughing when TC sent 30+ people to take out 5 of your guys with a cata outside Klovan. They zerg so hard that I wonder if they ever can click anything other than the #1 skill all week long.

I was laughing the whole time I ran away then got ran over by one of the few FA zergs who dared take a TC camp.

I feel bad for high tier players that are “stuck” on a low tier server. They just gets bitter and becomes a forum warrior. So sad to see.

1. Thanks for calling me high tier…I think

2. I’m not stuck, I choose SoS

3. I’m not bitter, I just have a lot of spare time that I can’t spend in game at times. If something happens that is either amusing or WTH; I’ll probably mention it.

My comment seems to have struck a nerve somehow. You guys (TC) do zerg a lot and you tend to send 30 people to do the job of 10.
Usually that’s what happens when you have a lot of PvE’rs coming in for an easier week, but since this seems to have hit so many “hardcore” TC’rs where they live maybe I was wrong in my assumption.
Either way, you enjoy your meteoric 2 point gain in the ratings and I’ll enjoy all that nice loot you have nicely given to us.

I see FA is finally starting to understand 2v1, but it hasn’t soaked in. When you attack TC, and see SoS taking a TC tower, don’t attack SoS. TC has 4 towers and a keep so I don’t see why you feel the need to come after the towers we capped from them.

LilMcGinley.3890:

Chris.3290:

drwookie.6391:

I tend to try to avoid “doom and gloom” but I will just add my name to the list of people who have essentially lost interest in this game after this change.

I barely played WvW last week (I’m on DB btw). Logging into giant TC zergs on every map, and almost nobody on my team was disheartening. Most of the times we had a commander on maybe 1 map if we were lucky.

I played reset night this week, and then woke up Saturday to a 30k lead within like 12 hours of the match starting…I haven’t played WvW since (I’ve checked in every day with my guild, and with the PPT…there is almost never anything to do. We are like 3x ahead of the server below us).

The problem for me is…WvW was all I did. I leveled my first toon in PvE and I’ve leveled my 4 others solely in WvW from Level 2 (well one guy I leveled to 10 before going in). It’s the only reason I play[ed] the game. With this change I haven’t really done anything else except open my achievement box. That’s sad really. When the matches are good, I have a lot of fun….but not like this. Not like this

Ok, the only sub-tier 1 server that should be matched up with TC is crying uncle about facing TC now.

Nearly 10 months into 1 week matches and we’re already full circle to where we were in the beginning, with 2 mega-servers and 2 servers stuck in 3rd-4th that make Tier 2 a living hell; only now they mixed it up so that it makes life hell for Tier 3 instead of just tier 2.

First, best fix to this is to stop basis transfer costs on population and base them on ranking. Make it 3000 gems to transfer to T1, T2 2200, T3 1600, T4 1300, T5 1000, T6 700, T7 300, T8 (& T9 in EU) free.
Start this process with a free transfer weekend to celebrate the 1st year anniversary, for free days you can transfer to any non-full, non T1 server for free.

Then scrap the RNG and watch a dynamic shake-up and that will still see the current T1 competitive, but will close the gap between T1 and the rest of the pack; ending up closer to the EU matchups.

Lastly, allow for human intervention in the system, creating a “bump-up” ability when one server has consistently defeated it’s enemies by >100,000 points.
Either that, or create buffs based on ranking but it’d be easier if the population voluntarily dispersed.

That’s the perfect answer. The simple one is to lower population caps on the maps which would force T1 to disperse, but that’s not fair to them either.

While that is a very good proposed solution, the issue of this type of scaling is the PvE’ers who will ask “Why do I need to pay 3000 gems to transfer to a T1 server when I never play WvW?”

PvE and WvW populations need to be separated. Plain in simple.

That’s why I suggested making it based upon ranking rather than population. PvE’rs will almost never transfer, since they can just guest on another server if they want to play with people on another server.

The Home server choice only matters to WvWr’s so there isn’t really a need to separate the populations.
As for a “full” server, I have no answers on how that can be handled, other than that ANet has graciously created more room for the top servers even as overall game population has had a net decrease over the same time period.

Like I said earlier, they can only get so much traction in trying to get all of the WvWr’s to stack into the top three tiers and eventually they’ll have to deal with the communities they destroyed in the process.

It’s best they pull back from the brink and let the system stabilize before they engage in further destabilization in pursuit of gem sales.

Besides, they can make up the loss of gem sales by releasing the previously mentioned WXP boosters. The second those hit, they’ll be rolling in purchases.

bishop.7596:

Chris.3290:

GJ Crystal Desert, keep it up!

Tyty our SOS buddy missing us already.. did TC break your nose?

To the rest of CD: We’ll meet SOS soon enough, our last matchup points getting really close even with SBI holding hand with them most time. If we can maintain this turnout rate we’ll have a balance fight. Lately there’s plenty of new transfer into CD, KoME hv around 8 from SOR and we’re happy to see a few newly transferred guild. So start working on your drinking buddy, by now they wld realize 30min q for wvw is bull!!

You guys surprised us last time, but I’m more surprised how well you are doing this week.
I’m hoping we’ll get a pure T3 match now. I think you guys can take Maguuma, that’s for sure.

drwookie.6391:

I tend to try to avoid “doom and gloom” but I will just add my name to the list of people who have essentially lost interest in this game after this change.

I barely played WvW last week (I’m on DB btw). Logging into giant TC zergs on every map, and almost nobody on my team was disheartening. Most of the times we had a commander on maybe 1 map if we were lucky.

I played reset night this week, and then woke up Saturday to a 30k lead within like 12 hours of the match starting…I haven’t played WvW since (I’ve checked in every day with my guild, and with the PPT…there is almost never anything to do. We are like 3x ahead of the server below us).

The problem for me is…WvW was all I did. I leveled my first toon in PvE and I’ve leveled my 4 others solely in WvW from Level 2 (well one guy I leveled to 10 before going in). It’s the only reason I play[ed] the game. With this change I haven’t really done anything else except open my achievement box. That’s sad really. When the matches are good, I have a lot of fun….but not like this. Not like this

Ok, the only sub-tier 1 server that should be matched up with TC is crying uncle about facing TC now.

Nearly 10 months into 1 week matches and we’re already full circle to where we were in the beginning, with 2 mega-servers and 2 servers stuck in 3rd-4th that make Tier 2 a living hell; only now they mixed it up so that it makes life hell for Tier 3 instead of just tier 2.

First, best fix to this is to stop basis transfer costs on population and base them on ranking. Make it 3000 gems to transfer to T1, T2 2200, T3 1600, T4 1300, T5 1000, T6 700, T7 300, T8 (& T9 in EU) free.
Start this process with a free transfer weekend to celebrate the 1st year anniversary, for free days you can transfer to any non-full, non T1 server for free.

Then scrap the RNG and watch a dynamic shake-up and that will still see the current T1 competitive, but will close the gap between T1 and the rest of the pack; ending up closer to the EU matchups.

Lastly, allow for human intervention in the system, creating a “bump-up” ability when one server has consistently defeated it’s enemies by >100,000 points.
Either that, or create buffs based on ranking but it’d be easier if the population voluntarily dispersed.

That’s the perfect answer. The simple one is to lower population caps on the maps which would force T1 to disperse, but that’s not fair to them either.

Fact.5908:

The current meta ISN’T to throw numbers at a target. There are more tactics involved than that, and the top guilds continually involve and try to improve their play.

…right.

Actually, I can concede that one since it takes a strategic mind to figure out how to deploy 50 people in the most effective way to take a single target. :P

Strever.8764:

As an HoD perspective i’d just like to fight the servers who claim to have the best roamers/small mans. Idc about rank/ppt/etc. just bring some individual skill and we can duke it out.

Dude, I think you just challenged CD (as much as I HATE giving them an even bigger head than they have).

First choice, the new Tier 3. CD’s havocs and SEA, Mag’s NA prime swagger, and SoS’s Down-Under Thunder.

Failing that, SoS, (anyone but CD since they’ll gun for us), and FA. 2v1 all week and bruise some fragile egos.

GJ Crystal Desert, keep it up!

it…like every change to WvW since January; favors more populated servers.

I think it’s clear that everyone need to buy gems and transfer to T1 since that’s clear what ANet wants everyone to do.

Taking away portalling from golems makes them completely worthless. It takes coordination to portal golems in a group; and I approve of anything that puts tactics > zerging.

Just put the same restrictions on golems as they do on other mats, that they cant be cheaper than the vendor cost.

I like this idea, as the current availability of traps are a complete joke.

This would be a logical reaction to the increased availability of cheap and affordable golems that are less than the cost at the vendor (which isn’t allowed for any kind of material might I add!)

ko killer.3692:

Oh please, the amount of times my 5 man groups have had to deal with this same issue from TC and FA is unreal.

Yeah, I was actually laughing when TC sent 30+ people to take out 5 of your guys with a cata outside Klovan. They zerg so hard that I wonder if they ever can click anything other than the #1 skill all week long.

I was laughing the whole time I ran away then got ran over by one of the few FA zergs who dared take a TC camp.

Karmik.2641:

As per this post. What a dishonor this is to read this. As a commander who focuses meta and actually tries to HELP you guys more often then not. As per the squishy, i want you to add me and when i am online you will whisper me. I would like to fight you open field and see what makes you think we are so squishy. Have a nice fight GL for the rest of the week.

dishonor, really? You’ve spent too much time around TC rp’rs.

I’m glad you have tried to organize the 2v1; but you are a noticeable minority.
Yesterday, on three separate occasions we tried to take heat off of FA and even cleared cannons and mortars off of North SMC to make it easy if your folks decided to push.
All three times the FA zerg rolled out of the Ogres and onto Umberglade, then pushed towards our Keep.

Anyhow, don’t take the “squishy” part personally if you were trying to take heat off of us. You wouldn’t have been any of the groups we curbstomped in our territory.

We’re now in week7? of this travesty. The gem sales must just be rocking for them to keep this going.

I wonder how many sales they’ll get for transfers once people just give up? I’ve already noticed that there haven’t been any large guild transfers in a while now. I wonder how long they can keep it up with just individuals transferring around.

FA, you guys have become a bit squishy since we last met and , I have no idea what your commanders are thinking in EBG.

Every time we saw orange swords (not ours) in TC territory or in your own we tried to push TC. Each time you turned around and attacked our territory.

I now want a match with you, without your T2 brethren, really badly.
You guys have better coverage, so you will probably beat us PPT-wise; but I will have so many bags by the time it’s done that I’ll be happy anyhow.

TC, you’re being a bit classier this match than before. I’m really glad we are done with the condescending pep-talks and simply acknowledge that it’s a crap situation and we’ll do the best with it as we can.

CAA.9653:

Dear TC,

We have enough people in EBG at the moment to defend almost anything, but not enough to siege SMC, your towers and keeps. Can you please come out of your towers and fight us in the open field? I hear FA drops a lot of precursors.

Forever Yours,
Cameid

Edit: Nevermind. I left the map. We got a little bored.

If you are looking for them TC, they are kittening around in our third of the map; but act quickly as they tend to wipe a lot when they pay house calls to us.. They obviously go weak in the knees at the thought of attacking your towers.

BTW, how did you guys get them so “broken to the lash” that they immediately gunned for us right out the gate? My dog doesn’t behave that well, though unlike them he’s housebroken.

Edit: exempting HL from this. I haven’t even seen you guys much this weekend, but we miss the old days.

ArtPulse.8630:

Luvpie.8350:

FA can you push north on TCBL please so we have a chance to reset one keep on TC instead you take the easy tower and defend with 3 acs. Push hills or north towers/camps. We will push as well os we make TC defend.

I’ll hunt you down >:(

What, the idea of being 2v1’d by two servers you regularly defeat that intimidating?

FA, let’s make this happen. You don’t really want to get 2nd by going after us do you? I thought you had this great rivalry with TC.

Necro.6432:

Why you guys so late to do that..why friday instead of ALL the days in the week

How many months have you faced them and not figured it out yet? SBI does stuff for the lulz, and you got to love them for it.

It’s sad that after 8 weeks of all of us being matched up together and hating every minute of it; that after 5 weeks of hell matchups that we have had so much fun being back together again.

Let’s do this again sometime…just not anytime too soon.

The closest matchup that SoS has had since RNG started was the exact same one that everyone quotes was “breaking the system” (SoS-SBI-CD)

The posters from the two servers who complained about the matchup ad nauseum were absolutely thrilled with this matchup over the alternatives. Even SBI (up matched 7 spots) found it a nice break from the servers they had been facing.

When the servers from the most unbalanced NA matchup, prior to the new system, are happy to see each other again….that’s pretty much a raging endorsement for scrapping this failure of a sociology experiment with 3 lines of bad coding.

So Desolation...yeah. **Sea of Sorrows will now cease it’s complaining**

Seriously ANet, what did they ever do to you? I remember getting in knock-down, drag-out fights in grade school for 1/10th of the provocation involved than there is here.

I know EU has bunched up their top ratings so that’s why it’s happening; but isn’t this a good reason to cease the RNG experiment? You have T1-T3 less than 100 rating points apart right now, maybe you should tier it up a little and let things shake out a bit.

Thanks to CD putting up a great fight this week, SoS could theoretically face DH this week.

Don’t take that to mean that I’m hoping for that, I’m actually burning for SoS,EB, Mag.

However it’s worth pointing out that the rating difference between SoS and DH is just one point different than SBI and SoS; and that is reason #452 this system needs parental supervision.

SBI needs to refine it’s EBG battlefield diplomacy; but it’s clear they are in it to have fun and they clearly had some.

CD, you guys keep growing and growing. If things continue at this rate we’ll be hilariously even matched.

Everyone good luck tonight, and may the RNG be kind to you.

Jamais vu.5284:

On a more serious note, a way to make WvW seem tremendously more “living”, and I don’t see why this hasn’t made it into release, is to simply give the lords multiple skins and possibly skillsets, maybe even make them named NPCs.

I like this idea, and they can have fun with this as well. Give the towers closest to spawn points some wimpy names “Glassjaw, Count of Greenbriar”

Then the SMC can be “Optimus, Supreme Lord of Stonemist”.

Visiroth.5914:

Due to constant population shifts and server attendance I don’t think you can squarely pinpoint that as the reason.

Not to mention that the current system along with an increase in lag with a recent update; has increased the number of people switching servers. While we haven’t seen too many large guild shifts like we have in the past, there are a lot of small groups moving around and a lot of individual changing servers.

You guys came back with renewed energy then. It’s noticed and appreciated.

I like idea #2, Rackhir; as far as something that can be implemented quickly.

I’d personally prefer two in tier, one random; but that can be tuned.

The random matchup system has had some positive points. It did shake up some stale matchups and it can act as a vehicle for a server that has bettered itself to actually prove that fact.

However, I think T3 is never going to get to fight T3 at this rate. FA vs KN; SoS vs. SBI? That’s not helping anything and is making things worse.
How about SBI vs KN vs BP? That will actually settle something. Mag-SoS-EB, that NEEDS to happen in the worst way.
How about CD vs EB vs YB? That would prove something.

The only drastic corrections left are AR dropping like a rock and DH coming out of nowhere to be a force in T5.

Maguuma is going to lose it’s match (ok, take 2nd) by over 100k behind; but they are still pulling ahead of SoS in the ratings because CD and SBI didn’t roll over and die.

Devon is of that junior soccer league mindset where they don’t give trophies or anybody wins.

I see CD owns most of SBI right now…where’s the love?
If you keep picking on that, it would be such a shame if everyone thought that was wrong and 2v1’d you.

psss SBI, wink wink; let’s do this!

PS: before someone from CD loses their minds, SBI always guns for us first and I think they’ll tick 600ppt at 3am before they ignore us to go after you.

If you like the mixture of small and large scale you should look at SoS. As a solid Tier-3 server we face a great mixture of both higher ranked and lower ranked servers. We have some great large group commanders, but we are always in need of volunteer scouts and people who like to run havoc.