Guild Wars 2

Every other thief weaponset got gutted by anet.

I can’t stand s/d myself but honestly, give thieves viable alternatives and maybe ppl will stop playing perma dodge builds.

Take a guess why everyone plays it?

The main issue is not thieves, the main issue is that pvp in this game has 1 mode, namely point capture and it favors bunkers mindlessly spamming aoe…

Of course thieves that have to run full glass (have in comparison crappy condi removal and basically no access to stability) to do any meaningfull dmg will run perma dodge build, since stealth sucks in conquest and dodge is only way to surive current state of combat as glass.

Try to play a thief with any other weaponset at high lv pvp… you will want to uninstall after 5 min.

they just need to nerf sd and anet would officially delete thieves from pvp heh

to think about it, we don’t have any viable ranged set anymore since sb got severly nerfed and p/p been useless for ages now

Commi for Celtica @_q

AysonCurrax.3254:

why is this still not fixed? Anet y u do dis?

because not enough people rerolled engis and warriors yet

it is makes me wonder how they managed to implement change to spell w/o trying out it once…

sb3 is pretty much useless now

because thieves need to be nerfed right?

did you pvp lately? the game is nothing but massive brainless aoe spam from bunkers…

ferocity killed d/p

bow down to our p/d overlords

what is the point of playing squishy that barely does enough dmg to any bunker when you can play that very bunker and dish out quite some dmg at the same time

this game suffers from blood dk desease and devs for some reason enforce it

i took break from game for few months, i come back and it became even worse… sad

i wonder how intelligent do you have to be to actually get an idea to buff engis in current state lol

What do people run nowdays for runes/sigils for pvp for d/p? I came back from few months break and things certanly changed a lot.

SoulSin.5682:

Damage and Critical damage works the exact same way on sPvP.

Only PvE and WvW got affected.

i mean, what about condis? why are there even more now and duration is really long?

I quit few months ago because of passive condition/CC/aoe spam in pvp.

I came back and oh the horror, Anet nerfed direct dmg and buffed condis even more. Why? What is wrong with Anet, there were so many complains about condis and immobs in particular back then, why were they buffed even more?

I don’t understand Anet nor idea behind it. Can someone explain?

ah yeah, i am glad we don’t get even more nerfs… and i am sure there will be more, there is not a patch w/o thief nerf heh

Stealthasaur.2198:

Now Ill never return. My gw2 re-install got to 25% before I saw the nerf.

-xii xii

i saw you in game few days ago =.=

- doing pvp only for daily
- playing LoL which has actual pvp system

so 1), 5), 7)

idk about 15 but i did have 4 4v5 in a row :/

i wonder what would happen if NPCs in wvw and pve would stop dropping chests for few weeks…<_<

should have replaced glory with karma for time being at least -_-

getting only 25 silver for ranked (now) vs 25 silver + glory (that you could buy lvs with) is kind of discouraging…

Iona.6307:

That latest picture is very amazing, though the fact that it’s called ‘iona.png’ confuses me.

i just named file by first thing i saw, really just random lol sry

Jingy.5643:

wow, looks great! You got like a deviant art account or something that I can follow you on? ^^

i have DA account but i don’t draw much anymore so i didn’t post for year at least

Rufflett.8243:

Hello, can I please have my character drawn? This is a link to the full gallery of her http://imgur.com/a/QewOO , but I have attached a ‘preview’ also. Thanks so much if you do draw my character ! I am also willing to pay lots of gold for your work, as it looks really amazing

probably p/d d/p or something like that with withdraw and healing power~

What class are you playing, OP

Sars.8792:

Cynz.9437:

Shockwave.1230:

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Other classes already can do the spike. It’s called FGS + Blink/Shadowstep/Judges Intervention. They just need an ele to conjure the sword. Other classes could have other powerful effects instead of what the ele does. The necro for example has Lich Form where they can spam one for 30 seconds and do loads of damage. It’s pretty incredible point denial.

if FGS trick was fixed, those classes couldn’t use it either…. so what is your point?

lich form AA does indeed stupid high dmg but not 20k+ instantly and it can be easily avoided by strafing + necro can still be blinded/killed in it while ele FGS+ port is instant and it is dodge at the same time so you can’t even CC ele executing it

You can stop it……..with any cc, its far from instant fairly long cast(2s???) even with a obvious sound and then the damage is delayed lol ( wont help treb but a person can move) . the one that evades is the whirl.

You play a thief, silvari? ….. don’t wait till the ele is all the way up to treb before you get off it , you can force arcane shield/immunity before they even get there then just head shot when you hear/see it.. tons of ways to stop this tbh.

It should probably be nerfed for pve (who cares) . Only OP part about the rush is killing the lord in foefire (pve).

you think i didn’t? it happend on few ocasions where i saw it comming and tried to kill ele before he does it, they just suicide it

and no, i also play human warrior and norn necro, idk how it matters :P

Shockwave.1230:

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Other classes already can do the spike. It’s called FGS + Blink/Shadowstep/Judges Intervention. They just need an ele to conjure the sword. Other classes could have other powerful effects instead of what the ele does. The necro for example has Lich Form where they can spam one for 30 seconds and do loads of damage. It’s pretty incredible point denial.

if FGS trick was fixed, those classes couldn’t use it either…. so what is your point?

lich form AA does indeed stupid high dmg but not 20k+ instantly and it can be easily avoided by strafing + necro can still be blinded/killed in it while ele FGS+ port is instant and it is dodge at the same time so you can’t even CC ele executing it

skcamow.3527:

It’s a l2p thing. Notice your opponent has retal and don’t spam your multi-hit attacks.

so don’t attack them while they are killing you… great idea /clap

it might be fine for CD based retal, but retal from traits like spiked armor is pretty much permanent…

i don’t think retal needs nerf, i think passives that cause it need to be toned down or changed they don’t garantee almost 100% uptime with almost no active gameplay involved

ronpierce.2760:

Why? Immunities and passives are fun and good for competitive play.

fix’d

I don’t think that retal itself is that bad, rather passive things that trigger it like spiked armor where warrior literary doesn’t have to do anything to trigger it…

in generall passive gameplay should be less rewarding than active (for example, HS passive heal should be less rewarding than active warrior heals)… in many cases atm it is not so, sadly -_-

Shockwave.1230:

Nikaido.3457:

Sars.8792:

Chaith.8256:

Wintel.4873:

Killing a treb with a 3 minute CD elite is fine.
As for one-shotting players…sorry what? If you’re referring to Rush + Lightning Flash trick, the AoE is absolutely tiny. If the target even moves a few inches they will be out of it, moving targets are out of the question (and everyone is always moving). Whoever dies to FGS should feel bad.

You are missing a few key facts about GW2 PvP.

#1.

Downed Bodies don’t move that much. Neither do the people reviving them until it’s too late. When someone dunks a downed body with the PISTOL WHIP, there are going to be tons of frustrated players. This is a fact. Thank god there are so many THIEVES that are coordinated (lol) enough to do this, it is quite common. It pretty much took THIEVES becoming a FOTM profession where there are 2 per team in order to recognize that this is a VERY dangerous mechanic and should be tweaked.

am i doing it right?

Did you seriously compare pistol whip damage to a blinked fiery rush?

FGS should be fixed before they fix elementalist as a whole. The class is currently in a bad state but if it ever became stronger in TPVP you’d see more FGS abuse on downed bodies and that one particular skill could turn out to be as much cancer as any of the other terribads things about this game PVP.

Shockwave.1230:

The FGS is used as part of Dungeon speed runs and destroying objects quickly in WvW and sPvP. They are significant parts of the game, and would have been dealt with if it were a bug. While you claim it’s a bug, other people claim it’s a feature.

FGS is the single most overpowered skill in PVE. If you’re going to mention PVE there’s even more reason there to nerf it than in PVP. Literally the corner stone of any speedrun is stacking ele with FGS and pressing 4 in corners. So great, much gameplay, wow. This isn’t to say I never used FGS in PVE, I did, but it’s not my job to balance the game, it’s anet’s. I’ll play whatever is most efficient, it’s not the player’s job to kitten himself with subpar specs or group compositions, it’s anet’s job to do something about overpowered skills. FGS deals absolutely abnormal damage and you’d have to be seriously blind to think fiery rush has any place in a balanced game. This game PVE is a serious joke when literally any dungeon boss (fractals not included) melts in under 3 seconds from a party’s worth of FGS spam.

Speed runs will happen with or without FGS. FGS shaves some time off of speed runs, but isn’t the cornerstone of making them viable.

As far as PvP goes it’s a 1-2 time small area spike over the course of able to be done on 3 minute intervals. It’s not a staple throughout combat. The most viable use of the combo is vs someone who is downed, which isn’t even always possible because LF isn’t always off CD.

Regardless of how abnormal it’s damage, that combo isn’t pulled off very often in PvP. When it is pulled off, it can be a big momentum swing like a safety or blocked kick returned for a touchdown in american football or a grand slam in baseball or a hole in one in golf. Those events are abnormal in their respective sports, yet they’re exciting to watch. From an esports perspective something like the FGS and LF combo as it currently behaves is important.

kk, let’s give every class every 3 min chance to hit 1-2 times for unstoppable 20k+ dmg… justified by CD yo

as far as treb goes, once again it does matter if one team can treb at begin of the match and other can’t… even if i see FGS comming i can’t stop ele from insta destroying treb

eles indeed could use help but it shouldn’t justify such bs

Shockwave.1230:

Cynz.9437:

FGS exploiters insta one shotting trebs, players etc.

Pretty sure it’s a legitimate strategy or it’d be nerfed by now. When someone pulls it off on me, I have to give them kudos because it’s not easy to do.

Also there’s burning speed, burning retreat (staff), and burning retreat (lava axe) that do the same thing.

they didn’t fix stuck /dance bug and its been around forever… so i wouldn’t rely on “what is not fixed is fine”

- bad pvp rewards
- meaningless leadeboards
- lack of game modes
- lack of maps
- crappy balance
- ai
- condi dmg/aoe spam
- skyhammer/spirit watch in soloq
- 4v5 every 3rd match, no ready button
- bugs
etc etc.

this game had great potential but never became what it should have been, it causes more frustration/boredom than fun so people left for good or untill the whole system got improved by a lot (if ever)…

i personally just log to do daily and then go back to play legaue, at least that game is somehow balanced and has decent pvp system… as much as i love gw2 art, grafics, ideas, combat system, races, profs, LS etc…. pvp itself is not fun even though it is main reason i started to play this game -_-

pretty sure anet CEO doesn’t even play games nor knows what pvp is

money people don’t care about such kind of stuff, we are nothing but “loot bags” for them basically

when you go farm gold in game, do you care about NPCs or players in wvw? nah, you just want loot/money…. same goes for them, they just want our money and will choose the most efficient method for it – least investment, most profit aka pve

pvp requires a lot of development but effect is not as visible, besides the truth is, only so many ppl enjoy pvp regardless how good it is… go to TC DR and ask roleplayers or players from pve guilds like DnT, why don’t they pvp

people don’t want to try, they just want to log in game, kill some NPCs, get some shiney armor and feel good about themself while sitting afk in LA…

in pvp you won’t always win since you are facing players and not NPCs that are designed to die, so pvp is bound to cause frustration and you actually have to invest some time into getting better etc. before you can win and tbh in many cases you will still lose because there is always someone better than you… most people don’t want it

bottom line you can invest 300k into pve and make 70% of population interested in playing or you can invest same money to improve pvp and it will be still only 10% of population who will appreciate it and probably only 1/3 of them will buy stuff from gem store

.. i never pretended to be good…. or did i?

lol they probably thought it was 1 thief :P

@Wintel, Swagg: you are assuming people play 1v1….
as far as treb kills goes, it kind of does matter if your treb gets instantly killed at begin of the match

bhagwad.4281:

Cynz.9437:

bhagwad.4281:

Cynz.9437:

you forgot that thieves have basically 0 survival outside of stealth or evades (depending on build); they also don’t have access to excessive CCs like certain classes do

I was thinking mobility not in terms of within the fight circle itself, but between points.

if you nerf thief moblity outside of points nobody will take one for pvp…. that is sole reason they are taken in tpvp instead of another condi tank or warrior

My point is that without mobility between points, people will also start taking mesmers and eles instead of just thief.

so let’s delete the class from pvp? great idea

bhagwad.4281:

Cynz.9437:

you forgot that thieves have basically 0 survival outside of stealth or evades (depending on build); they also don’t have access to excessive CCs like certain classes do

I was thinking mobility not in terms of within the fight circle itself, but between points.

if you nerf thief moblity outside of points nobody will take one for pvp…. that is sole reason they are taken in tpvp instead of another condi tank or warrior

thieves have terriblle point presense, only thing they are good at is fast in/fast out and decaps which is why they need mobility

it seems like you will be able to trade blade shards though

FGS exploiters insta one shotting trebs, players etc.

you forgot that thieves have basically 0 survival outside of stealth or evades (depending on build); they also don’t have access to excessive CCs like certain classes do

they are not even capable of implementing ready button… you actually expect some balance in something complex like mmorpg? nice joke

stealth classes are so much easier to deal with in this game, you can still hit stealthed thief, you can still use spells w/o target (at least most of them)

i am personally more frustrated with tanks doind almost as much dmg as glass cannons (sup warriors, hello condi tanks).. kind of kills whole purpose of playing direct dmg build/class

but seeing as anet keeps handling tanks/condi classes/builds more stuff and nerfing direct dmg over and over i am guessing we should just all reroll or quit this game

majority of devs play on BG…. do i need to say more?

as far as scaling goes, there is no scaling, it is designed for 50+ ppl or go home

the problem is how effective pw spam is combined with teleports and haste, nerfing other would affect entire thief class so pw probably gonna get changed… which honestly needs to be happen, being basically invulnerable while dishing out high dmg and CC in 1 skill is kind of silly

Master of Timespace.2548:

Cynz.9437:

try to get backstab off while being chilled and crippled on target with perma swiftness… then let’s talk about chilled affecting ini

d/p #3 should work. You could also burn utility shadow step or steal, but not a good idea since the chill will affect that.

If you’re an elementalist letting your opponent stack enough chilled on you to put your fire grab on a 45 second CD you’re doing it wrong. Thief lacks out-of-stealth condi removal, and is forced into spending 5 initiative to remove one at a time on one certain weapon outside of stealth.

I’m not sure if people use shadows embrace these days, but Withdraw is a fairly viable way to remove chilled and most tpvp thieves carry it. You also have lyssa runes.
And lol @forced to lyssa runes. Thieves are forced to it only because it is so kittening good thanks to the short cool down of the venom.

d/p 3 would bring you out of stealth, so you would have revealed debuff and won’t be able to execute bs
steal/shs or any kind of teleports move you to old position of the target, meaning if target is moving and you are chilled, by the time your character was moved to new position your target is already out of range

lyssa is actually really kittenty for thieves outside of 6th bonus and only reason it is taken is because of condi clean; there are too many condis flying around atm and most of them are impossible to avoid since they are either applied through AA (hi scepter) or massive persistent aoe (hello warriors)

honestly, why don’t you just ask anet to remove every weapon skill and utlity from thief and rename them into “walking loot bag”… this topic is filled with posters who don’t even play a thief but are arrogant enough to assume they could make any good suggestion on how to nerf the class even further

try to get backstab off while being chilled and crippled on target with perma swiftness… then let’s talk about chilled affecting ini

because thieves and mesmers are only classes hat can go in stealth constantly and don’t just sit there like training dummy and fight toe to toe

thief already loses ini when interrupted, any ini los is basically a CD on every weapon spell not just 1 including opportunity costs…. any more nerfs to ini los would just cause dmg buff to skills otherwise they would be too weak…. i would rather not deal with more dmg

i personally don’t see any issue with interrupting thieves, the important ones would be interrupt on BP+ HS and heal and those already punish them really hard, any more is just uncalled for imo

@Ozie: not all play pw 3 spam like you, so talk about yourself plz

Natsu Dragneel.1625:

If you feel like it, go ahead =p

Edit: The hair/armour secondary colour are actually a sapphire blue, turning up the graphics darkens it quite a bit by the looks of it.

<_<

look at ferocity change, look at all new sigils and runes… it is obvious there is strong favoritism toward condition dmg in pvp/wvw

Thedenofsin.7340:

That’s nothing. Look at last week’s tournament:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv2_1BB1zmw

Deku.3129:

……..you can’t just spend all your init on dodging. This is like saying eles firegrab combo is op. It just isn’t relevant.

Yes you can. Most thieves spend the majority of their init on dodging and kill using autoattack.

that double sb thief is not really killing anyone… sb aa does like 500 dmg lol

that have been already discussed btw

but as side note: dodging thief does 0 dmg, while dodging mesmer does dmg through ai/shatter…

style.6173:

Master of Timespace.2548:

I’m pretty sure that sky hammer in soloq is a bug. I always send a bug report about it whenever I get it.

I wish I could give ANET a dishonorable debuff every time it comes up

they can remove dishonorable… lol dev tools

every time i get that map i realize how much they care about us…. they don’t

please record it (pulls out popcorn)

side note: as far as i understand issue with pw isn’t 1v1 in particular but rather in team fights