Guild Wars 2

it took me 1-1.5 months for each legendary… given i farmed a bit (kitten karma) but if you play on tp (which is not THAT time consuming) you can just buy most of the materials needed for legendary

usually reasons i kick people for is
1. they don’t listen and just charge in when fractal actually requires you to follow certain mechanics/rules
2. they have no experience, don’t know what to do, just screw your entire group over and over and once again, don’t listen

you can have most amazing dps ever (i wonder how you know your dps, i assume 3rd party software that is forbidden actually) but if you attack ooze while it is on defensive thus wiping group or kill chanter thus causing whole group of chanters spawn and heal seal… then i would probably boot you

Lordrosicky.5813:

Thief counters everything

medi guards say hai

States.6387:

Cynz.9437:

i think’t it is ok for long CD elite
i main thief, i don’t really have much HP nor enough dodges (only 2) yet i survived most moas so far
… i actually killed some enemies while being in moa few times o.o

just try to repostion yourself, LOS, dodge, use skill 5? to run away

This only applies to bad pvpers though. If a skilled team or a skilled mesmer morphs you, they can easily down you and prevent you from being able to escape with use of gap closers.

that can happen with about any elite really… engi drops crate or lich hits you (through the wall too because logic)

even if you do get downed you still have team to support you, if you did die you can still rotate somewhere…. there are far worse things than long CD polymorph, imo

P.S. can’t believe i am actually defending mesmers…. never saw that comming

as posted on other threads: once you reach above 50% win rate the game tries to bring you back to 50% and stacks all odds against you… so no matter in what tier you would fight, you would alway experience same effect

only way to counter is: make a full group of top players, put them in ts and farm everyone~

i think it is ok for long CD elite
i main thief, i don’t really have much HP nor enough dodges (only 2) yet i survived most moas so far
… i actually killed some enemies while being in moa few times o.o

just try to repostion yourself, LOS, dodge, use skill 5? to run away

that is not new really… once you reach something like 50+% win rate games stacks all odds against you to bring you back to 50%

well i joined :P what now

the joke is, since you get locked into 3 traits it seems like there will be even less diversity lol

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

but i am not even a guy D8

You’re a straight black log now. Congrats on making a new gender!
I’m a white potato.

beware of scary wood thing!!!

hai potato!

D: That’s not black, you look dark purple. Dark purple straight log.

actually it is black..<_< well the blackest sylvari can get

:o NOPE.
Had to check myself… That’s the “Night” color, there’s “Blackstone” which is pure black without other color.

:D But the nice part is, since you’re a log, if we burn you a bit…

actually i checked it, i have blackstone selected :P

night is way lighter

reason why it looks like this is lighting in hotm

>.> if you say so…

This is my potato (wish there were more full face mask/helms):

why do i think about darth vader?

Zero Day.2594:

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Funny thing is, when it’s thief’s week, people will be QQ’ing and saying how there’s no counters…

Man, I can’t wait for the thief’s reveal just because of the tears…

They should have done thief first so they could hand hold people through their new abilities to counter thief’s new abilities.

“BUT WHAT DO I DO WHEN I CAN”T SEE HIM!?!?!?!"

-.-’

Pretty sure, if there’s still QQ’ers 2-3 years later… there’s just no hope for them.

more like 15 years at least…. qq about stealth was endless in any game

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

but i am not even a guy D8

You’re a straight black log now. Congrats on making a new gender!
I’m a white potato.

beware of scary wood thing!!!

hai potato!

D: That’s not black, you look dark purple. Dark purple straight log.

actually it is black..<_< well the blackest sylvari can get

:o NOPE.
Had to check myself… That’s the “Night” color, there’s “Blackstone” which is pure black without other color.

:D But the nice part is, since you’re a log, if we burn you a bit…

actually i checked it, i have blackstone selected :P

night is way lighter

reason why it looks like this is lighting in hotm

bamp + charr with apples

@Terrahero.9358: you forgot all the nerfs other classes received, runes and amys added and stability changes…. but yeah let’s ignore the game and see engis in vacuum.

Half of the changes proposed don’t even change mechanics but just indicator for better visibility of traits/skills. How is it over the top, please explain. You can see eles attunments, you can see revealed debuff on thieves, you can see warrior stances, but omg seeing engi kits would actually make them unplayable?

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

but i am not even a guy D8

You’re a straight black log now. Congrats on making a new gender!
I’m a white potato.

beware of scary wood thing!!!

hai potato!

D: That’s not black, you look dark purple. Dark purple straight log.

actually it is black..<_< well the blackest sylvari can get

Zero Day.2594:

Cynz.9437:

but i am not even a guy D8

You’re a straight black log now. Congrats on making a new gender!
I’m a white potato.

beware of scary wood thing!!!

hai potato!

but i am not even a guy D8

Turk.5460:

Can we make a thief guild that has really really specific prerequisites?
-Must be Thief
-Must be Charr
-Must be Gay or at least Bi
-Must have “Lion Mane” hairstyle

PST for invite.

i am a black log (aka sylvari), pretty straight…. and already invited to the guild—- what now!?

engis work well vs eles

StickerHappy.8052:

Cynz.9437:

get nerfed every single patch for years while other classes collect points by drooling on keyboard and even you will get on defensive

Yet you are still in the meta? Wow, Imagine how other classes feel on top of getting nerfed!

thieves are only in meta because of their moblity (and always were) and they are kind of getting pushed out by medi guards…. team fight wise or 1v1 they are anything but great

First of all, effectively it is more than 10%. Why nerf class that is not exactly over top atm?

oh and btw, once specializations will come out and everyone will run executioner/panic strike/SA, the QQ will be so great that thieves will get nerfed within a week… i promise you, so dw

get nerfed every single patch for years while other classes collect points by drooling on keyboard and even you will get on defensive

i honestly wish they would just bring disablinbg shot to what it used to be, half of them time it gets you killed instead of doing what it suppose to do :/

Hmmmm let’s see how it sounds: srsly mesmers are acting like drama queens again because chill doesn’t affect ini.

Let’s balance game around casual mesmers? If this was the case turret engis would be still the thing.

It doesn’t matter how chill affects ini, thieves already punish themself and denying themself other weapon skills by using ini… adding extra ini reduction is overkill.

Yeah, thieves are sooooo famous for their condi cleanse……………………………………………………………………………… oh wait.

Honestly though, if you think chill doesn’t affect thieves besides utilities…go make d/x thief, get chilled and try to backstab moving enemy. Oh with webcam plz. I will make sure to bring popcorn because i am sure it will be very entertaining.

How am hyprocrite? Engis are too strong atm. Try to convince me they are not. Are you really implying thieves are as strong as engis and need more nerfing? The sad part, even devs said in recent stream that if you cry about thieves right now, you are not playing one.

anyone who disagrees is childish/ignorant? mkay~

point is: power block is not used because there are better traits and not because of thieves… same reason why thieves don’t trait just to fight mesmers

and are you reading posts? people already explained you why chill on ini regen is denying second weapon set

since you play mesmer:
- necro puts chill on you
- you use sword 5 for example
- all your spells on all of your weapons go on long CD

that is basically what it would mean…if you don’t understand those mechanics then i honestly don’t know how to help you…

oh and btw that chill also reduces range on your attacks by 200% just to get the same feel

eh fc died due to drama… will probably happen the same to this guild if it was ever started

StickerHappy.8052:

Cynz.9437:

StickerHappy.8052:

Cynz.9437:

mmmm let’s see….. so i use bp+ hs to gain stealth, that is 9 ini gone… for some measy 3k backstab (that if i actually get behind target, not get killed in meanwhile by aoe and that bs actually crits)…. now i can’t use most of my spells anymore no matter what weapon set i switch to for a while….

what you basically suggest is: if let’s say necro is chilled then all his weapon spells (including ds, lich etc.) get put on CD no matter weither he used them or not yet

why can’t you stop throwing tantrum over thieves claiming they are “unfair” and “op” w/o actual evidence and actually try to play one vs any decent team

and you know what the joke is? every single person i met QQing about thieves and that actually had balls to try out one, cried 5 min later how hard that class is to play

That is why a majority are asking it to affect ini instead…? Then what? People asked for an alternative way then you thieves are asking for another compensation? 2 initiative bars? What?

Chill doesnt affect you, power block gm trait does not affect you. And tou still act that you guys have it worse?

For the record this not a whine thread or im not saying i have any difficulty fighting thieves, all im asking is for the classes to be FULLY AFFECTED, in one way or the other.

Heck, reapers are built around chill, and guess what? Thieves are not fully affected. What a joke.

Okay cynz how would you feel if mesmers are only affected by blind with half the potency? Summon phantasms, etc are not affected by blind?

1. chill doesn’t affect thieves? that is plain lie… it affects their utilities pretty fine
2. why the hell are you using power block in pvp?
3. blinds are not sole reason why mesmers have hard times vs thieves…. besides good mesmer can nuke a thief just as fast really…
4. chill mostly comes from necros, please tell me since when did necros need help vs thieves…

you ask chill to affect thieves same as other classes, but you don’t want thieves to have same mechanics as other classes….

oh and inb4 you say, yeah they should remove ini and make thieves weapons same as other classes gated by CD…. if they really did it then they would have to buff those spells by a lot, and i mean by A LOT and trust me you wouldn’t like it

Where did i say that i didnt want to change thieves mechanics?

Lie? It only affects half of you bar? Thats why i said Fully affected, scroll up to my post.

Power block in pvp? Yes you are right, barely anyone uses it, why? Because again you gus are not fully affected by it. Why would you slot a gm trait where someone s immune to it? Again nowhere in my post that said that i was using PB? Even if i wanted to, it will be half performing anyway?

So you want to change thief mechanics? How… let me hear your proposal besides asking for chill to affect ini thus deny second weapon set to thieves because of some unspeakable reason.

You think it doesn’t hurt thief when his shs, refuge, heal is on cd? Are you srs?

Power block is not used for many reasons, not just thieves. I can say literary the same thing about assassin’s equilibrium for example. Oh no, it is not used because of mesmers~~~~~

StickerHappy.8052:

Cynz.9437:

mmmm let’s see….. so i use bp+ hs to gain stealth, that is 9 ini gone… for some measy 3k backstab (that if i actually get behind target, not get killed in meanwhile by aoe and that bs actually crits)…. now i can’t use most of my spells anymore no matter what weapon set i switch to for a while….

what you basically suggest is: if let’s say necro is chilled then all his weapon spells (including ds, lich etc.) get put on CD no matter weither he used them or not yet

why can’t you stop throwing tantrum over thieves claiming they are “unfair” and “op” w/o actual evidence and actually try to play one vs any decent team

and you know what the joke is? every single person i met QQing about thieves and that actually had balls to try out one, cried 5 min later how hard that class is to play

That is why a majority are asking it to affect ini instead…? Then what? People asked for an alternative way then you thieves are asking for another compensation? 2 initiative bars? What?

Chill doesnt affect you, power block gm trait does not affect you. And tou still act that you guys have it worse?

For the record this not a whine thread or im not saying i have any difficulty fighting thieves, all im asking is for the classes to be FULLY AFFECTED, in one way or the other.

Heck, reapers are built around chill, and guess what? Thieves are not fully affected. What a joke.

Okay cynz how would you feel if mesmers are only affected by blind with half the potency? Summon phantasms, etc are not affected by blind?

1. chill doesn’t affect thieves? that is plain lie… it affects their utilities pretty fine
2. why the hell are you using power block in pvp?
3. blinds are not sole reason why mesmers have hard times vs thieves…. besides good mesmer can nuke a thief just as fast really…
4. chill mostly comes from necros, please tell me since when did necros need help vs thieves…

you ask chill to affect thieves same as other classes, but you don’t want thieves to have same mechanics as other classes….

oh and inb4 you say, yeah they should remove ini and make thieves weapons same as other classes gated by CD…. if they really did it then they would have to buff those spells by a lot, and i mean by A LOT and trust me you wouldn’t like it

mmmm let’s see….. so i use bp+ hs to gain stealth, that is 9 ini gone… for some measy 3k backstab (that if i actually get behind target, not get killed in meanwhile by aoe and that bs actually crits)…. now i can’t use most of my spells anymore no matter what weapon set i switch to for a while….

what you basically suggest is: if let’s say necro is chilled then all his weapon spells (including ds, lich etc.) get put on CD no matter weither he used them or not yet

not to mention, that nowdays thanks to all that aoe spams, blocks, blinds, protection etc. the main dmg is already comming from AA… so yeah let’s apply chilling to ini so thieves are nothing but AA… oh wait, then you gonna cry even more about sigil procs~

why can’t you stop throwing tantrum over thieves claiming they are “unfair” and “op” w/o actual evidence and actually try to play one vs any decent team

and you know what the joke is? every single person i met QQing about thieves and that actually dared to try out one, cried 5 min later how hard that class is to play

yes, thief can be good in good hands, but risk vs reward is extremely high and even skill floor is anything but low…. so untill other classes have same correlation between risk and reward, it just absurd to cry for more nerfs for class that was nerfed every single patch for 2 years straight

oh and i forgot to mention… you don’t like thieves? bring guardian, they can be keyboardturner, clicker, don’t know what their spells do, playing game by drooling on keyboard and still win vs good thieves because hardcounter at it’s finest

so like
what is the point of the guild..<_<?

they won’t give thieves any meaningful buffs or nice things untill people will stop roleplay AC and do speedruns on thieves….

welcome to my matches…. 6 times in a row too lol

Iris Ng.9845:

Yea, because focusing on the thief when the power necro and deep guard were free roaming is the right priority.

If you don’t know who Vallun/Veillantif is, I don’t even… It’s either you’re not in NA or never have a chance to play against/with him. But I hope you know I K, do you?

it doesn’t matter who was roaming, point is in this match nobody focused thief so you can’t tell how it would perform under actual pressure

yes, i didn’t play on NA for few months, i just came back there… i know IK

that thief was running full SA, besides nobody ever focused him in the match from what i saw so i think those recordings are pretty bad representation weither or not venom share is good in pvp

also who’s vallun?

Phil.8901:

Chill should influence thief initiative regeneration.

then thieves should have 2 initative bars for each weapon set…

that thief when focused is a free loot bag so to say
why bring condi thief when necro/engi does that job better and lives longer

StickerHappy.8052:

Turamarth.3248:

It affects all classes.

It does not affect thieves weapon skills? Maybe revenant in the future too.

you are welcome w/o pulling your hair out, to try to backstab someone while being crippled and chilled and enemy having swiftness….

Kolly.9872:

StickerHappy.8052:

Laraley.7695:

Or how about ele is not the only class that has its weapon swap affected by chill?

It goes both ways, you know.

Yea sounds fair to me..

How about giving thieves two different initiative bars for every weapon set then?

this^^

coglin.1867:

Cynz.9437:

when did i say it was about thief vs engi?
when did i say it was about 1v1?
i play warrior and necro as well, i play with friends that i would say are pretty good and play multiple classes, my BF is one of the best eles on EU and even they think engis need to be toned down… it is not just my opinion~

what does ability to teleport to enemy has to do with low CD?
what does stealth has to do with low CDs? especially considering how stealth is contra-productive in conquest
actually vs any decent team thief trying to stomp is dead thief because smart enemy will cleave… you are welcome to try to get stomp off in all the cleave w/o dying on thief

Well then why don’t you let your BF speak for himself. Perhaps we can let the EU players speak for themselves too, and you can stick to speaking for to yourself. Disingenuously claiming to speak for others in order to add weight to your personal opinion, suggest to me that you do not believe in the merits of your argument are enough.

I see complaints about skills such as slick shoes. What strikes me as odd about that, is that the skill functions precisely as it did on release. So why did no complaints about this skill arise until recently?

i do speak for myself, i brought players i know and talked to as an example, that is…. the poster i responded to decided to use me personaly as argument…

As far as slick shoes goes, i already explained why functionality needs to be changed. Again for you specially, since apprently you can’t read: stability mechanics got changed and slick shoes became too strong with that change.

Exedore.6320:

Aenye.2390:

Transmute can screw all your stacks of bleeding because you applied one more, it is stupid as hell.

Nope. Transmute is about the only exception to condi clears; it acts on a single condi application, not a stack. If you apply 3 bleeds, transmute converts one and you still apply 2.

The problem with transmute is that it affects CC conditions like immobilize and fear and you have no idea when it’s up. The simple fix is to make it not affect CC conditions, possibly with a lower ICD. Lessening damaging conditions is still pretty good for a minor trait.

i think it would be helpful to have an icon for that too…. that way classes like necro for example wouldn’t waste their fear

when did i say it was about thief vs engi?
when did i say it was about 1v1?
i play warrior and necro as well, i play with friends that i would say are pretty good and play multiple classes, my BF is one of the best eles on EU and even they think engis need to be toned down… it is not just my opinion~

what does ability to teleport to enemy has to do with low CD?
what does stealth has to do with low CDs? especially considering how stealth is contra-productive in conquest
actually vs any decent team thief trying to stomp is dead thief because smart enemy will cleave… you are welcome to try to get stomp off in all the cleave w/o dying on thief

Ink.9058:

If almost everyone already uses it it probably doesn’t need extra help from traits.

actually it does lol, it is more like second utility bar and not actual weapon lol

T raw.4658:

Salamander.2504:

My unbiased opinion:

I main a guard, and stealth always irritated me. Whenever a thief would stealth and run, I’d call cheese. How irritating, right?

Two days ago I made a thief, and I’ve already realized how essential stealth is. Thieves are trading a lot to have the ability to stealth: they are a melee class with low health, low armor, and abysmal condi clear. Whereas rangers and guardians can go invincible for a few seconds to take the pressure off, thieves have stealth (but can die quite easily in stealth). Most of their weapon sets are useless in the current meta, so evades cant make up for it (I’m looking at sw/d).

If they are running from you and are about to die, either: (1) you outnumber them, in which case, who wouldn’t run?; and (2) they can’t kill you in a 1v1, but then why should you be able to kill a thief 100%? Shouldn’t it be 50% in a balanced game? They are a zerker class, after all. Running=draw=balanced.

Add to that: no thieves use speed/traveler runes, which means if they want to keep up their famous mobility in or out of stealth, they need to be spending initiative, dodges, or utility cooldowns. Those all need to be balanced to maintain mobility but also be ready for a fight.

So coming from an entirely different class and just playing thief for 2 days, I have to say: stop complaining about stealth. It’s not cheese.

I LOVE finding new thief players. Nothing makes me more giddy then finding a player who just started on their thief thinking they are going to PWNNOOBSOMGBBQSAUCE

After a good beating i tend to then teach them how to play thief, and they all say the exact same thing:

“This is so hard”

i just had exactly same experience… a guildmate decided to play a thief, i tried to teach him some things and at the end he said something like this: wow, people say engis and eles are hard to play… but omg thieves are impossible… how can one even play this?

made me smile a bit xD

i think thieves are nasty in good hands but that’s the point, you need to be good player to make thief work; you don’t need to be amazing to be effective on warrior or ele tho :/

i like it that way, i enjoy class having high skill cap however i really wish people would try out the class vs decent opponents before spamming QQ about thieves everywhere

nightblood.7910:

Well, we go into trickery to get those skills and not take others. Its one way to balance.

You make the whole trickery line baseline like that now well have DA,SA,Acro thieves. Which, IMO, would be amazing but only for us thieves.

actually it wouldn’t be for thieves either if you consider that your main priority is to keep enemy thief down the whole match… eating own poison so to say is anything but fun

nah, will be rifle or torch mostlikely and some lame crap that will never replace refuge/shs

Gabriell.4856:

Cynz.9437:

not sure about sleight of hand but some traits like Kleptomanic could be baked in i think

When you compare Kleptomanic to 25% more daze, dps, confusion, and invul….making sleight of hand a base line trait seems justified.

I think the only way to improve the class is to ask for stuff and in this case it is reasonable because they are giving it to another class to improve build diversity. Can’t wait for dev to figure it out. Remember…the dev nerfed S/D’s #3 because they said it was too OP to IF, IR, then steal/IS to secure a stomp….(facepalm). You have to take their hand and walk with them….

sleight of hand baseline would be too much….

Anti.9156:

its normal to struggle against comdi/sustain builds as dps guard. (condi) engis, dd ele and shoutwars are your counter in 1v1. however you can win against bad engis. You need the better opening. so jump him with burst. You need to keep the engi pressured and try to cleanse the burn(ip). you have about 4-5 IP procs you can cleanse/survive. after that he needs to die or you will

it is normal to struggle vs engis on any build/class (fixed)

teef 4lyfe

1) eu accnt
2) na accnt

not sure about sleight of hand but some traits like Kleptomanic could be baked in i think

Sorel.4870:

Dude, some people actually like to do something when they are running a dungeon. Sorry not every profession is as facerolly as a warrior.

Of course the engineer needs rocket science to do a proper rotation: he’s an engineer!

doesn’t change the fact that majority wants simple rotation and effective dmg for speed runs… and class changes are based on popularity… go figure why majority needs to like engis to stop dumb overbuffing

I have done pretty much all content this game has to offer on this account, been on speed runs countless times, used to do daily lv 50 fractals, daily aether, have legendaries/ascended armor yada yada etc.

Made new account for NA (since my main on EU). Can’t find a group to do cof p1/coe p1 to save my life because that account has only 1k ap (which really doesn’t mean anything, character is lv 80 and in zerker, exp is obviously not issue).

Worst part, chances of getting kicked are pretty high even if i opened the dungeon :/

Anet srsly needs to revert that change :/

Engis have too much of everything on too short CD. Specializations are not bringing any hope either. I could write a whole essay about why but i has been posted countless times.

WTB nerfs/changes:
- slick shoes need either longer CD or apply knockdown only once per circle and not be stackable (after stab changes this spell is just unproportionally amazing)
- gear shield needs longer CD
- healing turret either needs longer CD or longer cast time
- (arguable) kits need to have CD like attunements
- CC in general needs to be toned down (see rifle) weither via longer CD, shorter duration on immob, anything really
- IP needs an icon and longer ICD
- kits need an icon; you can’t tell what kit engi is in unless you zoom in (and actually see anything in massive sparkle spam) or let them use spells

@Anet: stop buffing engis, the class is unpopular because of lame looks, lame looking spells and just awkward dps rotation in pve. Overbuffing them in pvp won’t make them popoular generally.

Solutions:
- remove hobosack
- make engi spells/gadgets etc. sparky (see asura turrets, asura bombs etc.; add turret/kits/bombs skins in gem store!!???)
- give simple dps rotation for pve so you don’t need rocket science to pull as much dps as zerker war in dungeons

/2cents

P.S. don’t bring “omg necros counter engis” that was true before celestial, now even necros get crapped on by engis tnks to celestial amy/CCs

tbh i am more worried about trap pulsing for 4.5k burning dmg… and 2.5k bleed