Guild Wars 2

To be fair Mighty. You have not demonstrated any useful knowledge of the game. Nearly all your posts beg the question, you spend a lot of time telling us how good you are as if that should have any consideration whether the mesmer should be nerfed, and you constantly propose false equivalencies. The person who seems to know the least about how the mesmer works in pvp is you. However, you do boast a lot about being an expert. Perhaps it is time to show rather than tell.

Here are some good mesmer fixes:

MindWrack: Range of damage increased, damage scales based how close target is to illusion when it shatters.
Cry of Frustration: Doubles application of confusion to 4 per illusion.
Blurred Frenzy: Target is now dazed, if hit.
iLeap: Increased range to 900
Spatial Surge: Removed damage scaling. Weapon does highest damage no matter the distance from target.
Mirror Blade: Creates a clone for each hostile target it hits. Can not longer bounce off of illusions
Phantasmal Berserker: Hits a single target at least three times to a max of five.
iWave: Causes all enemies within 1200 range to do the “wave” emote.

Etherbolt: Applies confusion
Confusing Images: Creates clones that instantly shatter on target while channelling. Up to five clones created. Shatter effect is cry of frustration

Into the Void: Now sends targets to a random location on the map.
Phantasm Warden: Now follows target before activating attack.

Phantasmal Mage: Doubles attack frequency. Now applies a random condition on attack for 5s (poison, bleeding, confusion, cripple, agony). Conditions are five stacks or three times their duration. Attacks also strip boons.
The Prestige: Burning and blind conditions are reversed in timing.

Phantasmal Duelist: Now insults target when attacking.
Magic Bullet: Can hit Queen Jenna if fired from any library in Tyria.

Mantras: Reduced cast time to one half a second.

Decoy: Invisibility now stacks with other forms of invisibility. Duration increased to 5 seconds.
Mirror Images: Forces all nearby enemies to target one of the clones.
Portal: Once exit is set, can be activated to pull all nearby enemies through the portal
Mimic: If doesn’t absorb a projectile, steals random utility skill from target.
Illusion of Life: Fully rezzes downed allies. If nearby enemies fail to down one of them in 60 seconds, the enemies are downed.
Phantasmal Defender: Now uses Shield Bash
Phantasmal Disenchanter: Summons any other phantasm to replace itself
Signet of Midnight: Boon duration improvement increased to match other professions. Active effect now creates a smoke field.

Mass Invisibility: Now gives mesmer all boons for five seconds so they can use other runes.
Moa Morph: Target no longer transformed. Instead target is forced to use the “cry” emote for ten seconds.
Time Warp: Now works as a shout

Deception: Mesmer vanished for one second. Creates two clones nearby. Mesmer is randomly swapped with one of the clones.
Phantasmal Rogue: Now instantly defeats all nearby enemies.

loseridoit.2756:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Mesmer is not squishy. They have alot of mobility, and alot of clutter. Blurred Frenzy is over kill.

i dont think you understand the problem with mesmer melee?

Without blurr frenzy, there isnt much reason for a mesmer to stay in the melee range for long periods of time. Many of mesmer active defensives have a quite long cd. The cooldown are migrated due to the fact that there is a weapon swap and the invulnerability remove two seconds to the cooldown. Which means, changing blurr frenzy will kill any melee mesmer build.

However, I think anet messed up when designing the class that caused them to add that powerful effect.

Of course, the alternatives are quite bad too.

If mesmer added extra evade to their weapon set, then they are effectively copied the ranger

If the mesmer have more mobility, then they copied the thief

Adding more damage copies warrior hundred blades and anet will might nerf it later on

Adding more range will mirror the d/d elemental which is not a true melee weapon

This is a very good point. TheMightyAltroll doesn’t understand these kind of mechanics of gameplay. Despite his arguments being countered, he just repeats them over and over as if they will suddenly make sense. There’s a reason that he regularly compares the mesmer to warriors and necros. Those professions make any of the other professions look OP. In fact, I’d target the weakness of warriors and necros as the major balance problem because it creates the kind of unreasonable expectations TheMightyAltroll posts here.

All the professions, except the warrior and necro, get these kinds of complaints. They come from two kinds of players. Those who die quickly to bursts (warriors, necros, and poorly designed/played builds) and those who expect their build to kill everything as quickly as they can kill warriors and necros. Thus, rangers get complaints about being too hard to kill and their pets doing too much damage. Guardians are too hard to kill. Eles are too hard to kill. Thieves are too hard to kill and do too much damage. Engineers are too hard to kill and do too much damage. Mesmers are too hard to kill and do too much damage. I’ve seen them all. When necros and warriors get the defense they need to survive the bursts from the other professions, we will see a lot less complaints. There will still be some. Bads are bad, afterall.

So rather than nerfing, I’d like to see all professions made as competitive as the ranger, engineer, thief, and mesmer. These are the professions that are doing it right. They do enough damage to take out the defense of other professions and have enough defense to survive attacks. Plus, they each have unique styles of play that make the game interesting. Decreasing their damage or removing their defense (or if TheMightyAltroll gets his way, both) will just create more imbalance. If the game was just warriors and necros, they all just be one-shotting each other as soon as they meet. Maybe some people want that kind of game, but I’d imagine they are in the minority and don’t seem to be the type that Anet is catering to.

Here are my rankings:

Balanced:
Thief
Ranger
Mesmer
Engineer

Need more damage:
Elementalist
Guardian

Need more defense:
Warrior
Necromancer

Since they lowered his health, he’s much more tolerable.

Seras.5702:

This is not a flame. This is a legit question. I’m a lvl 31 mesmer and loving the profession but don’t understand all the GS love. It’s single target, has a range requisite or the auto gets weaker, #3 is useless in open world, and its phantasm seems lackluster.

I’m no mesmer pro, so explain to me why GS is a better ranged option than staff or scepter/x.

Actually, it is not a single target weapon. The beam skill hits up to three enemies in it path (and often adjacent to you and the beam as well). Throwing it bounces. Mind stab can hit multiple enemies. iBerserker is great to throw in the middle of crowd for lots of hits and is capable of beating the 5 limit of most AoEs. Finally, the knockback can hit multiple targets.

Is there a skill or trait on the mesmer that someone hasn’t yet requested be nerfed or was nerfed?

What I’ve learned from this forum is that people actually seem to die from Moa. I can’t remember a single instance of dying because of Moa. I played an engineer today and got Moa’d at least three times. Each time it had no effect in the match. I either won or, if I lost, the player who Moa’d me was able to kill me again without Moa. I’d rather Moa be replaced with a more useful skill.

Archer.1658:

Ok. Phantasm build is superior to shatter build in 1v1. This is true, however that doesn’t make Phantasm build OP. What makes it OP is bad players who sit there getting fired at not knowing what to do. Blinds totally negate phantasm summon. Unless traited, phantasms are relatively easy to kill as well. Those are just two easy ways to deal with phantasms, you could spec for blocks, reflects and much more on any given profession. Hell AoE spamming works well too. People who say phantasm build can’t be used outside of 1v1 is wrong. It needs context, does a phantasm build work in WvW where zergs are massive? Nope, does it work in 5-10 Mans, you bet it does. I’m tired of people calling things OP, there are plenty of counters, use them.

This. I’ve lost against many classes until I learned how to fight them. Depending on my build, there are some I do avoid fighting alone. However, mesmers, now that I know their tricks, are no longer much of a threat. In fact, I can’t remember the last time one killed me 1v1.

hackks.3687:

Avoiding shatters requires far more active player response than it does to create them. I mean, an aoe damage skill that hits for 2-3k per hit AND chases it’s target? c’mon…

I know. It’s like if there was a class that had an auto-attack that followed you even in stealth.

Illusionary Persona + Deceptive Evasion

Khylo is by far my favorite map.

XII.9401:

Varonth.5830:

Dest.7410:

Med.6150:

What’s the reasoning for buffing something else, if the skill is being adjusted, because it is overperforming?

The reasoning is that it is not overperforming. But you refuse to see that, just because it has become, like another user said, the whine of the month.

No the whine of the month currently is the mesmers who refuse to see when their class is horribly overpowered, and always was.
Like seriously, you say, they got nerfed every single patch. Yet they are considered, according to the long running thread in this forum, the second best class at the moment, and always have been in the Top3.
If all these nerfs were unnecessary, how can it be that they are still more powerfull then 75% of the classes? If these nerfs were so uncalled for, and all of them are class destroying nerfs, then mesmer should be in an unplayable state, with damage numbers like other classes using steady weapons, and incoming damage of naked necros.

Guess, it is because those few still playing mesmer have godlike skills at playing GW2. Every single mesmer player is just so much better then everyone else, that they make this class, which got constantly nerfed and is the absolute bottom tier of every MMO in existance or ever made, working.

I wholeheartedly support that the mesmer class be left alone as is. As well as the thief and guardian.

That guarantees that more of the remaining pvpers will be leaving the game for ESO with me.

Have fun dueling your own mesmer/thief class in arenas.

This isn’t a concern because mesmers and thieves don’t dominate the arenas despite the hyperbole over their skills and mechanics.

GankSinatra.2653:

DaShi.1368:

Blurred frenzy is the one and only reason a mesmer would enter melee. It offers the damage and risk mitigation to make it worthwhile.

Sounds like mesmers need more reason to go melee then. Also, since when does Blurred Frenzy need to be used in melee? You realise the immunity doesnt have melee range, right? Sounds like we should change that eh.

The only reason to go melee is to go immune. And you wonder why other classes go ‘wtf’.

This is not what I said. And a lot of it doesn’t even make sense in any context.

Without blurred frenzy, a mesmer would never enter melee because the risk would far outweigh the reward. In essence, they get about 2 seconds of effective melee time every 8 to 10 seconds. How would a warrior feel that if 8 out of 10 seconds in melee it is a complete sitting duck doing no damage?

KarlaGrey.5903:

You’ve got:

1) Stealth in utilities, which also works as a stun-breaker and clone generator, as well as stealth on (albeit lacklustre) weapon sets
2) Ports on both weapon sets (staff and sword, only the GS is lacking in that department), good port on a relatively low CD in utilities (but no stealth then), AND the portal, which is obligatory anyway, and virtually the best mobility skill ig (and also a combo field, if I remember correctly).
3) Good access to boons, especially because of the nice combo between n2 and n5 staff as well as n2 staff and null field/time warp/portal.
4) Decent access to interrupts/pulls/knockbacks, depending on which doublehand and offhand weapon you go with. Mind the staff field is AOE interrupt, and so are sword offhand n1 (although it is somewhat lacklustre compared to the rest) and focus pull, which makes them all the better.
5) Clones, which give you at least somewhat of an advantage (depending on your positioning), especially while in stealth, because the opponent has to manually look for you and re-target you in the midst of 2-3 clones (the trick of unticking ‘show npc names’ isn’t fully reliable to find the real mesmer, because clone names will still show if you randomly hover over them).

Um…this is a thread about blurred frenzy and the effectiveness of a sword mesmer in melee. If a mesmer is not using a sword, it is not planning to fight in melee. Nothing you posted addresses these issues at all.

UnderdogSMO.9428:

its been confermed that Legandarys will ALWAYS be top tear.

every other skin/stat will probably need a Fine tran stone

If this happens, I may be finished with the game. I dislike the whole fine transmutation stone system. I hope they consider this issue before Ascended weapons and armor.

Ugh, the system makes me want them to not create any new armor (skins and stats).

Entering melee is about risk/reward. For the light armored professions, the risk in entering is far greater than for heavy armored professions. Eles rely on boons and conditions to do it. These allow them to move in and out quickly, which is necessary because they don’t have the option of switching to a ranged weapon in combat. Necros have it pretty tough in melee, but their daggers offer them some support with conditions. In addition, they can churn out some good damage in melee, making the risk worthwhile.

Blurred frenzy is the one and only reason a mesmer would enter melee. It offers the damage and risk mitigation to make it worthwhile. Some are arguing that it should be nerfed but aren’t really making a case for it. I could call dancing daggers OP and whinge forever in the forums about it, but that won’t make it true. I could come up with argument that demonstrates how dancing daggers is negatively affecting the meta (much in the way RLT did). That would get more attention than crying OP. Anet doesn’t balance around hotjoin and they didn’t balance around random arenas either. There’s a clear reason for this.

Blackhat.4016:

Tbh I would love to see some good arguments against a nerf here. So far the only thing I see is “you are noobs and have no clue how to balance the game” (uhm.. yeah) or “the Mesmer would be useless without the 2 sec Invulnerability” (no).

The arguments made here are more sophisticated than this. However, I suppose you choose this approach because it allows you to dismiss them without considering their points. I’d argue that you are not contributing to the discussion here.

Staff 5 suffers from the same problem as blurred frenzy. It’s just so tempting that players can’t help but run into it.

:D I’m amused that after all the nerfs to the mesmer, my joke nerfs are now being proposed seriously.

I’d rather see an alliance system where smaller guilds and larger guilds can support each other before a guild hall.

I see. So your argument has changed. That makes things clearer.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Your argument was that Mesmer skills are easily identifiable and dodgeable. My argument was, is in a heated fight, you’ll never have the capability to identify individual animations. That’s why Warrior Killshot can be strong in group fights. That’s also the only way Necromancers land Epidemic.

I’m sorry. I thought this was your argument. Did you change it or do you believe that iLea kitten omehow harder to avoid during a heated fight than Warriors or Necros?

What does have to do with how hard they are to avoid compared to other classes’ strong attacks?

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

DaShi.1368:

Yes, in that case, the issue is not the mesmer because it is the same for all classes, which has been my point from the beginning. I really don’t see what you are getting at.

You were defending Mesmers based on the belief that these strong skills are ‘easily’ dodged. When I explained that they aren’t, and are infact easier to land than any other skill from any other class. Even if they were slow, they would still be landable.

You obviously have difficulty debating by not understanding the flow of logic from your opponent. Naturally your first defense towards this is ‘then learn to get your point across’. There comes a point in which you must also compromise and learn how to understand an opponent’s point. Which you apparently do not do.

I said that iLeap is just as easily dodged as other classes. You provided no argument that they are easier to land than other classes. Your argument is that in a hectic fight, slow attacks are harder to avoid. You provided no argument as to what makes the mesmer exceptional in this situation.

Yes, in that case, the issue is not the mesmer because it is the same for all classes, which has been my point from the beginning. I really don’t see what you are getting at.

Perhaps you need to make your point more clear then. I can only respond to what you write.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

DaShi.1368:

Copenhagen.7015:

The problem is not Blurred Frenzy. It is the broken piece of crap that is Illusionary Leap. It’s nearly impossible to telegraph, and most of the time doesn’t leap, but just appears right in your face. UNAVOIDABLE. Shimmerless there is nothing distinctive about the animation, especially on Asura, which most Mesmers seem to run. How can Warrior leaps be so slow and obvious, but Illusionary Leap is a super speed run/leap that pops up next to you and says HI IMMOBILIZESHATTERRRRRRR.

It is not unavoidable. Both the animations of the mesmer and the appear of a the sword clone leaping at you are clear tells and not very fast. They give you more than enough time to react. Only swap is fast, but there are ways to avoid that as well. If you aren’t able to react to these, then every class will need nerfs on their skills to accommodate your abilities.

Funny… because Necromancer has the slowest and most tell-tale abilities in the game… yet I rarely see people dodge it in a group fight…

And Warriors’ Killshot doesn’t seem to be dodged much in a fight either… could it be that we’re not super human enough to look at what direction you’re waving your hand in?

By the way, Mesmer skills aren’t slow in the least.

Your complaint seems to be about the dodge system then and not the mesmer. As for iLeap not being relatively slow, I have to disagree.

Copenhagen.7015:

The problem is not Blurred Frenzy. It is the broken piece of crap that is Illusionary Leap. It’s nearly impossible to telegraph, and most of the time doesn’t leap, but just appears right in your face. UNAVOIDABLE. Shimmerless there is nothing distinctive about the animation, especially on Asura, which most Mesmers seem to run. How can Warrior leaps be so slow and obvious, but Illusionary Leap is a super speed run/leap that pops up next to you and says HI IMMOBILIZESHATTERRRRRRR.

It is not unavoidable. Both the animations of the mesmer and the appear of a the sword clone leaping at you are clear tells and not very fast. They give you more than enough time to react. Only swap is fast, but there are ways to avoid that as well. If you aren’t able to react to these, then every class will need nerfs on their skills to accommodate your abilities.

I don’t mind the new dances being in the gem store. However, I do hope they bring back most, if not all, of the emotes from GW1 for free. I miss /breath and /ready.

The skill is fine. Certain players have difficulty with the mesmer and look for excuses as to why they can’t win. I can’t count the times I’ve hit blurred frenzy too early only to have an opponent walk into it. :facepalm: These are the players who want skills nerfed.

The fact is that a sword mesmer can’t survive long in melee without it. Melee classes have too many gap closers, immobilizations, and stuns. Plus, they can put out too much damage in melee range. Without blurred frenzy, the mesmer’s mainhand sword would become useless because it would never want to be in melee range. First, it wouldn’t have any defense to survive there. Second, it wouldn’t deal any damage to make risking melee worthwhile. If blurred frenzy is nerfed, then every classes melee attacks should be at the same level of the mesmer’s autoattack. Any other argument would be incredulous.

Finally, other classes are not defenseless against it. While comparing blurred frenzy to 100B is a bit ridiculous because blurred frenzy does no where near as much damage, the same counters exist. The initial casting of iLeap is an obvious tell. If you miss that, then you have a second chance to avoid it by keeping your distance from the clone for 5 seconds (or kill it in one hit and then dodge roll away or vice versa). Finally, if you are immobilized, you can you whatever skills you use to get out of every other class’ immobilization. This is all assuming that the skill even worked, which about 50% of the time it doesn’t. So it is not fair to say that the mesmer’s iLeap+blurred frenzy is uncounterable. You have at least three options to avoid it. And if you can’t, it is not as devastating as 100B or getting insta-gibbed by an invisible thief.

Here’s my mesmer’s:

Exalted headgear and epaulets, svanir shirt, champion gloves, inquest leggings, and human cultural 1 boots.

Mesmer’s problem is that they have 4 offhand weapons, but only 2 main hand weapons to pair them with. Since the scepter is so inferior (or very niche) compared to the sword, greatsword, and staff, many players feel kitten running it. So they feel that they only have 1 main hand weapon to pair with their off hands.

Jemmi.6058:

DaShi.1368:

With the way GW2 currently handles armor, I’m glad that there are not a lot of armor choices available that I like.

I am confused.

What do you mean by the way GW2 currently handles armor?

Why are you happy that you do not like most of the armor?

Because I’d want to frequently change armor skins on my characters and I wouldn’t have the cash for stones or storage space to do it.

I wonder if Anet has had or anticipates having any issues with GW2 in China, given the country’s preference for domestic online games and severe internet controls.

With the way GW2 currently handles armor, I’m glad that there are not a lot of armor choices available that I like.

It must have been painfully slow with one person carrying the hammer.

Warrior is probably the weakest sPvP profession. It has nothing to do with the mesmer.

Guardians of the Sunshine

Marked One.3125:

Looks like this got patched, I finished monthly pve this morning and got 10 laurels, and I just now finished the spvp monthly and received no laurels.

It would only work if you completed the PvE monthly before the Mar 26th patch and the PvP monthly after it.

Everyone needs to start somewhere. Hopefully some will have had a good enough time to want to play more and improve.

I don’t think that players should be banned over this because someone could easily get it by playing the game normally with no intention of completing their monthlies. However, 10 laurels is a lot, so Anet should really do something about it.

1 chest, 0 tickets! Working as intended?

The arena could use better opportunities for players to get through when camped. Right now it is too easy to camp. However, a good part of this is that mesmers can port in reinforcements.

swiftpaw.6397:

I just spent 3 hours in fotm 28 in a party of 2 rangers, a mesmer and a necro. they failed at the dredge because they lacked the DPS to take down the mining suit. Both were running bear pets with shortbow and questionable gear. There was no pet swapping and minimal weapon swapping.

This is what gives rangers a bad name, this is why I am really starting to question ever taking pug rangers.

This is what makes people avoid taking this class imo. Poor players.

PS- the necro was also pretty awful. Which certainly did not help. He at least had an AOE freeze for some cc :/

Similar situation but at FotM level 20 with two rangers. They couldn’t get past the kraits in the underwater fractal. Maybe it was the same two.

EnRohbi.2187:

DaShi.1368:

I’ve stopped adding to my guild’s bank after one of our co-leaders took about half the stuff from it and all the gold.

Did that co-leader get banned?

If not, I think this thread has been answered.

No, but the guild is dying fast.

I’ve stopped adding to my guild’s bank after one of our co-leaders took about half the stuff from it and all the gold.

Ranger is great for solo because no one will want you in their groups.

I’d rather have a guild hall. Guilds need a place for members to gather and hangout like in GW1.

Some very nice suggestions here. I don’t agree with all of them, but like most of them. I vaguely remember the devs saying something about addressing unused traits in the future for all professions someday.

I would also support no chests for guests. It is getting quite terrible. I haven’t been able to do a single dragon event since the patch.