Do you have any examples or are you just making this stuff up as you go? Feel Free to use North Korea as an example if you wish.
There is plenty of examples in both history and fiction of this being the case. I won’t name one specifically as I feel the question is a trap.
Thats looks like a cool setup for a living story, don’t you agree?XD
I have to disagree based on how the current season has been presented. I don’t feel this content could be done properly in the format the Living Story is produced.
To rule with fear is to become a slave to fear. One will become more and more paranoid of the people they are suppose to lead, which in turn leads them to set the foundations of their own demise. A truly great leader won’t automatically decide total annihilation for an enemy. They will know what enemies must be completely annihilated and what enemies can be manipulated into actually switching allegiance or at least aiding them in their own plans. They wouldn’t necessary have plans put in place in case a given person decides to become an enemy, they will however have the mind to quickly adapt to the change in situation.
on the other hand, Fus Ro Dah. enuf said.
Sorry only those born with the souls of Dragons get the Dragon Shout, souless minions only get increase durability.
Nawww….. -Puts away Evon support badges-
I thought you were campaigning for Mad King’s return to power?
Exactly. Following his logic, all charrs are evil and should also be exterminated.
I think we should inform their Tribune immediately of their state and have them banned for a few years from Meatober, it obvious an over consumption of meat and alcohol that has caused this extreme level of aggression.
You got problem with Charr twiggy?
I think they wouldn’t unless the charr happens to be a flame legion fanatic…but that’s sort of self explanatory.
in Battle for Lion’s Arch - Aftermath
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A modern museum of insanity.
I suggest making it the Scarlet Asylum for the criminally insane.
Ultimately this thread can be boiled down to people trying to be moderate and inclusive of homophobes and homophobes demanding the removal of homosexual inclusion in videogames.
That is incorrect in my opinion, I have noted several individuals who don’t particularly care if Marjory and Kasmeer are the same gender or not. They feel the scene detracted from the living story, which I have to agree it feels like some movie one would expect hollywood to produce. There also those individuals who believe many would react in the same manner as Kasmeer did if it was their significant other was in a similar state to Marjory. Their argument makes no mention of the fact they homosexuals, instead their argument revolves around the concept that everyone who react similar to Kasmeer in the same situation.
I really can’t recall seeing anyone behave in the stereotypical homophobic behavior on the other hand there are two individuals in this thread who are pro-homosexual who have reacted poorly towards differing beliefs. This behavior only furthers destabilizes the homosexual platform while strengthening their opposition.
Here’s a tip from my observations of other speakers for homosexuals, avoid using the following counter arguments.
We best not go to Elona then… Don’t want to upset the racists.
Or Cantha, don’t want to upset the culturephobes.
Best just white wash everything and just stick to white male power fantasies then, eh?
As it only further alienates the true audience you trying to appeal to, the neutrals reading the thread. Not only that but it makes you appear as immature to your opposition, who will almost particularly leap upon you for it.
I’m hopeful that we haven’t really spiraled down that abysmal staircase yet. And I don’t think we have to, as long as we remain respectful of one another.
I’ve notice certain individuals have began taking the baby steps towards that particular cliff, so thought to point it out to the others to stop them.
I hate to break it to you, but your values don’t deserve to be represented or even respected. Bigotry should never be respected.
By this logic your own stance should likewise not be represented or even respected as it is a form of bigotry. As the word Bigot means “One who is strongly partial to one’s own group and is intolerant of those who differ.”
But what is the point when you are dealing with people coming from an irrational and hateful place to begin with.
Because you not only representing yourself when you defend your stance but everyone who shares a similar stance. If you truly believe feminism, homosexuality, racism, etc are issues to argue over than be respectful towards both your audience and opposition regardless of how they react. One will get more support from speaking in a polite and rational tone then devolving into petty insults.
I’ll admit you may never change the mentality of the opposition but it not their hearts you should seek to sway. The neutral party is whom you should seek allies from, and since I consider myself truly neutral I can say seeing both sides insult and shout at one another doesn’t make me look favorable on either side. In fact it only strengthens my belief that such matters have no place within the gaming community as regardless of the best intentions the thread devolves into a horrific flame war that must be locked by the moderators for the good of the community as a whole.
Next time tell Marjory Delaqua to approach a criminal with her Death Shroud on.
Or to tell the Ranger in the party to shoot the insane evil genius instead of approaching her.
No, he found the cave and the seeds before returning home. He was going to present the seed as a gift to his daughter (I think) but came home to find his village in ruin and his family dead so he planted the seed on top of their graves.
Oh ok thanks for the clarification.
Wasn’t the cave found near the ruins of his village? I thought he found the pale tree’s seed after the Mursaat burned down his village.
But what if what she was born to be isn’t the same as the purpose she was given before her birth? The Pale Tree doesn’t seem to consider the Soundless a threat, even though they’ve cut themselves off from the Dream. Maybe the Tree considers what you were born to be and what you were born to do as two separate things?
Or perhaps the Pale Tree wasn’t referring specifically to the contents of Ceara’s purpose but rather how she come to accept that purpose. From the Sylvari personal story, what I played of it in the beta, and from the short story it seems the Sylvari can choose how and when they come to terms with their calling.
You can see using the hides of evil monsters as armor as an atrocity. By no means does this compare to Charr actions of genocide, ecocide, eating humans, using their skulls as ornaments, burning people alive etc.
Do we have any definite proof that the humans didn’t commit similar actions? The Searing left the once green lands as barren wastelands where water has been turned into tar, or otherwise undrinkable to humans. Food would be a scarcity, the Charr are considered to be nothing more than animals by some of the players so who to say the humans didn’t serve up Charr for dinner? I could see military units stationed in regions plagued with heavy fighting on both sides, yet receive meager amounts of supplies, using every available resource at their disposal. My point is both sides were in the right for fighting the war, but both sides used those reasons to commit atrocities upon the other.
Humanity was told by the gods to take the lands for them, if anything then humanity helped the gods and not the other way around. Charr are physically superior, making a human able to defeat a Charr the better fighter.
I disagree that humans helped the gods, it more that the gods saw their favorite children unable to physically match the Charr in battle so lent their aid to turn the tide of war in their favor.
Why shouldn’t Kryta consider the Charr a possible enemy? They enjoy war too much, and went on with it even after the Foefire, till just recently. Though it was Jennah who started the peace negotiations. The Charr enjoy conflict far more than humanity, so it’s more likely that they will look for a new war to fight, should their current enemies be defeated.
As I said it is logical to still consider one another enemies however it is not logical to invite said enemy to a festive event and announce you still consider them an enemy, especially when you still trying to broker peace. This event, if it were taken place in a true living world, would have undoubtedly damaged the peace negotiations as Rox would of reported it to Rytlock.
It is possible that either or both sides plan to renew the war in the future, but by then they will have learned to cooperate, through standing up to common enemies, and see how futile a new war would be.
The Charr might but I doubt the humans would learn. King Adelbern refused to lead his people from Ascalon to Kryta, where they could rebuild their strength instead of expending the last remnants on a desperate attempt to hold what little they held.
The chain of events started with the Searing, with the human population of Ascalon being innocent victims. The Charr caused it, they bear the responsibility for the Foefire. The Charr themselves should understand the determination of no giving up. I do not approve of what Adelbern did, but i do not pity the Charr either for having to deal with the ghosts. Their ghost problem is entirely self-made. If anything i pity the ghosts.
Actually the chain of events started with the human gods aiding the humans, which allowed the humans to emerge victorious in the battles fought with the Charr. This led to the Charr to retreat further into their homelands and seek out their own “gods” which they could call upon to counter the human gods. This search led them to find the Titans and call upon the Titans power to destroy the wall. So the Searing was just another link in the chain just like the Foefire.
As for the Charr’s ghost problem being caused by them, not exactly King Adelbern still holds all the blame for that. I do believe it has gone on long enough, let the spirits of the past finally find peace. The war they fight has long been lost and there is no need for them to continually be denied the chance of finding the Hall of Heroes. Grenth must not be pleased either, knowing there are so many spirits roaming Tyria that he can’t claim due to the current situation.
I see that you are not like that, but i do not see the need to continue the discussion to the point where one or the other has to “admit defeat”. There are different opinions, but not “right” or “wrong” ones.
I wasn’t suggesting the debate had to have a definite end just that if I found myself truly unable to counter with a well thought out argument I would gladly admit it.
To make this short, there are no atrocities committed by humanity agains the charr in either GW1 or 2. Ascalon was no longer Charr land after a thousand years of humanity living there. It is Charr land again today. The Charr could not conquer human Ascalon without the help of the Titans, which does not exactly make them the “better” fighters.
If a predatory species eating their slain enemies is considered a atrocity than humanity using the hides of their enemies to craft armor is also a atrocity. Also seeing how Ascalon needed the aid of the gods to conquer the land and then the wall to hold it, I say the charr are indeed the better fighters.
You are exactly doing this, trying to turn the Charr into victims by implying that Kryta plans to attack them in the future. Maybe ask Lady Althea about which side was the victim.
Actually I’m not. I’m just pointing out that it is likely that Kryta seems to still consider the Charr as enemies. When two enemies are forced to work together against a common threat, the most logical solution is to expect the other side to betray the other when it is more convenient for them. Seeing how the Renegades and Separatists are relatively allowed free reign, it can be assumed that both Charr and Humans plan to resume the war once all other threats have been neutralized.
Wow. I think i got the measure of you now. Took me some time.
Oh and what would that be?
Again you are confusing cause and effect. The responsibility for the Foefire lays solely with the Charr.
In both versions of the tale the blame lays with King Adelbern.
In the Human version he was the one who struck the Claws of Khan-Ur with Magdaer , not the other way around. I’ll admit that he not entirely to blame as he had no idea such a phenomena would occur when the two weapons met. Yet after rereading about the Foefire, I feel this account is falsified due to the circumstances leading to the phenomena.
In the Charr’s version he unleashed Foefire upon both humans and Charr in a moment of madness. This version seems what most likely happen due to having more corroborating evidence to support it.
I’ve had this discussion before, it ended with the other guy calling me a racist for lack of further arguments from his side. Therefore i will just end my contribution to this discussion here. Feel free to reply and have a nice day.
I am not the other person, I will not resort to petty name calling. If I truly can’t counter your argument I am more than willing to concede and admit defeat. However for the time being there seems to be plenty to discuss.
It is not a matter of logic if people would fight to reclaim Ascalon or not, but a matter of the heart.
Actually it is a matter of logic, because humanity has more pressing matters. If all it took was heart then there would be no Elder Dragons, no Centaur, and no Ministry trying to usurp the queen.
I beg to differ here, in GW1 the Charr are simply evil and humanity is defending itself against a foe that wants to eradicate them all. Some things were retconned for GW2, for example the charr eating humans. The Charr were turned from monsters into characters, simply put. GW1 was “black and white” about it, GW2 is different concerning the Charr. Do you feel bad about taking hooves as trophies from centaurs? Or Krait skins? I don’t. Neither did i feel bad about getting Charr hides as trophies in GW1.
You needn’t beg, you are entitled to your own opinion. However I should advise you attempting to turn the argument on me in the method you appear to be using, is pointless. As I have said both Charr and humanity have committed atrocities to the other, whether or not either side cares is a matter of personal preference. Even after learning the lands were originally theirs I didn’t feel sorry for what my Ascalonian characters had done, nor did I feel the Charr were monsters. Both sides had legitimate reasons to fight, both sides used that to commit atrocities to the other, and both sides refuse to yield. I do not expect the Charr to apologize or to provide compensation for the Ascalonians they eaten and I would say the Charr don’t expect similar from me for the hides I took from their dead. In the end the Charr proved to be the better fighters, as the Ascalonians who refused to retreat are now ghosts forever trapped on Tyria and forced to forever war with the Charr.
Anise did this to shock Logan, it is not an indication that Kryta plans to start a war against the Charr. Don’t try to turn the Charr into victims while they have been the aggressors for the last 1250 years.
So I should believe it was coincidental that the queen mentioned about humanity’s enemies right before the transformation? Also I’m not turning the Charr into victims, that would be insulting them. I however an pointing out how the Queen’s Jubilee seems to indicate humanity’s future plans for the Charr after the Elder Dragons have been defeated.
So you agree that Ascalon was not part of the Charr homelands?
No I am not agreeing that Ascalon wasn’t part of the Charr homelands. The lands that the kingdom of Ascalon occupied are part of the Charr homelands, however they had became contested due to the human aggressors. The Charr simply found other means to counter the humans advantages and pushed them back. Ascalon’s fate was of its own doing, not the Charr’s. Foefire didn’t have to be called upon, but it was. Those unfortunate souls have only themselves to blame for their fate as they choose to listen to a King who stubbornness overruled reason.
The Charr were held back for generations by the Great Northern Wall and could not overcome it without help from the Titans, and through them, from Abbadon. In GW1 there is no sign that the charr would eventually have won, one can actually find evidence for the opposite, like the quest “The last day dawns” where you beat the Charr “army” (it’s some Charr representing their army) plus their masters the Titans. GW1 is actually a stalemate, with neither side gaining the upper hand. It was changed for GW2.
You do understand the two and half centuries take place following the conclusion of Eyes of the North? This means the Searing had already occurred thus the Great Northern Wall had already fallen.
I disagree that players who would fight to reclaim Ascalon lack common sense though. If given a choice i would fight, too. One should not easily forget all the things the Charr did, and until recently, while the human conquest of Ascalon was 1250 years ago. Humans never ate Charr for example.
Actually it is a prime example of lack of common sense. Humanity’s overall strength in lore is drastically weaker than it was two and half centuries ago. Every battle the humans participate in is more lives lost. It would be in humanity’s best interests to allocate all of their resources wisely. There is no point in retaking Ascalon if the Elder Dragons will simply destroy it. Neither is there any point in retaking Ascalon if it leaves humanity weaker as a whole. As for the last portion of your argument, no humanity didn’t eat Charr but they did make armor out of their hides and probably even decorated their homes and Guild Halls with them. Humanity has committed just as many unforgivable atrocities as the Charr.
IThe citizens of Ebonhawke have lived under siege till 2 or so years ago, it is understandable that they stay distrustful of the Charr. Especially since they still have to defend against Charr Renegades. The ones among humanity whose behaviour is not acceptable are the Separatists, but they appear to be a minority.
I disagree with the minority part, I believe they just the portion that doesn’t like the plan of playing nice for the time being. Queen Jennah’s words from the Jubilee and the fact the Watch Knight was made to appear as Rytlock, a high ranking Charr, suggests the humans will resume the war once the Elder Dragon threat has been neutralized and no other threat has arisen to contest their rule.
IAnd trying to regain lost territory for centuries by waging war against human Ascalon, or laying siege to Ebonhawke for 250 years is not really showing any common sense on the Charr’s side either imo, but GW1’s Charr were simply different – they wanted to eradicate humanity, and not just reclaim Ascalon.
The Charr struck from a better position than the humans, the Charr homelands weren’t ravaged like Ascalon, they were well supplied, they had defensible positions, and they have a stronger morale. They were slowly gaining ground while the humans were slowly losing it. But they weren’t just fighting humans for those two and half centuries. There were other foes they fought, such as the Flame Legion. If the Charr had two and half centuries to simply focus on Ascalon, they would of eventually won through attrition as Ascalonians already had suffered grievous blows to their population thanks to the Searing.
I didn’t say it wasn’t their territory.
I misunderstood that you were implying Ascalon wasn’t part of the Charr homeland.
It wasn’t.
I meant I misunderstood you were implying it was a part of the Charr lands. Odd I could of swore I typed was and not wasn’t when I made that earlier post…but then again I do have clumsy fingers.
People also conveniently ignore the fact that humanity had been living in Ascalon for a thousand years. If that is not enough to have turned Ascalon into human land then today’s Ascalon is not Charr land either. The Charr’s hold on Ascalon is not justified by a moral claim to the land, but because they conquered it.
Can’t speak for the others but I’m not ignoring the fact the humans of Ascalon have occupied that area for at least a millennium prior to the war with the Charr. The Charr did claim the land prior to the humans settling the area and thus their claims are as legitimate now as the humans. The Charr do have one thing that seems to be lacking in the old Ascalonians that remained as well as certain players who are for this action, common sense. When the humans first invaded, the Charr didn’t blindly throw themselves at the humans. On the contrary they retreated in order to strike from a more defensible position. They searched for their own gods to counter the human gods, which led to them developing scientific based technologies to replace said gods.
Humanity, for the time being, is not in the position to strike at the Charr. They only have one fortress in that particular region, to my knowledge anyways, as well as various problems. It is wiser to accept Ascalon as a defeat and focus on the current problems.
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The irony of that post, Darkbattlemage, is quite humorous given the one directly above it.
I just noticed the post after I hit reply, had to look up who Suwash was since I don’t know that many Quaggan npcs from memory.
While that is true, he was the only other person really in the running during the last vacancy, and we haven’t seen any other citizens come to the fore of the Lion’s Arch community since then. Unless they pull a new character out of the blue (sadly not outside the realm of possibility), Evon is really the only choice.
Why do I suddenly get the bad feeling there is going to be at least one person who is going to ask Anet to nominate a Quaggan for the council?
I didn’t say it wasn’t their territory.
I misunderstood that you were implying Ascalon wasn’t part of the Charr homeland.
Also, and on topic, would you describe a tornado, earthquake, or tidal wave as a he or she?
I’ve overheard a few people address a tornado with a specific gender, it seems a part of the human nature requires to assign genders to things regardless if it is applicable or not.
Considering the centaurs often ignore the treaty anyway . . .
Doesn’t mean Lion’s Arch has to aid Divinity’s Reach, their purpose is to ensure trade flows not that a foreign nation is secured. Besides why waste their resources on fighting a race that may one day become a client? Isn’t that what we adventurers are for? We the deniable specialists of Tyria that undertake tasks nations would find to risky to send their own forces to handle.
Lions Arch is allied with the Centaurs, that is more then enough reason for Kryta to stop turning a blind eye to the pirates who are squatting on the grave of their old capitol and terrorizing the nearby farms and take control once Scarlet is gone.
Lion’s Arch has a treaty with the Centaurs, just like the Charr and humans have a treaty with one another. How I understand this treaty so long as the Centaur do not actively harm or otherwise hinder Lionguard protected caravans, the Lionguard will not attack the Centaur. This itself is not reason enough for Divinity’s Reach to seize Lion’s Arch.
Nah, that was retconned.
From reading their wiki article I don’t see it not stating they owned Ascalon in fact it states because of the humans with the aid of their gods forced the Charr to surrender the southern lands of their territory..
Call me a Troll if you want, but from my point of view, the Jedi are evil….no, wait! ….From my point of view, you are the Trolls, trying to force your viewpoint onto me.
With comments like this, it is hard to find evidence of you not being a troll. The Jedi are part of the Star Wars franchise not the Guild Wars Franchise, thus it seems you just saying that to try and provoke a knee-jerk response from Jedi fans. This is common behavior of a Troll.
As for the airship the players still wouldn’t get it if the Pact did contested with the Lionguard. The airship would simply disappear until another Elder Dragon acts up.
Why only afk players are discriminated against?
They are perceived as the easier target by the opposition. If something can’t defend itself, it will nearly always be targeted.
Last statement first: Could be, but not easily, and I’m not the opposition.
I know you not the opposition, I however couldn’t think of a good means of avoiding accidentally grouping you into that group.
They are selfish because they’re unwilling to put in an effort to participate while still expecting to get something out of it. Greedy because they want more than they’ve earned. Lazy because they’re only willing to put in the least amount of effort (no effort at all) to get it.
Can’t all this be applied to every gamer then? Selfish because each gamer can’t see past their own desires. Greedy because they find more value in a virtual item than helping another player. Lazy because instead of undertaking the efforts to bring this to ArenaNet’s direct attention, they instead want the banning of players who don’t conform to their beliefs or opinions.
As mention be others the problem isn’t the player base but rather the flaws within the design. A major hurdle however is there is no easy solution that won’t cause problems of their own. This is the price for an Open World one has to accept the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly of the gaming community without any in-game means of dealing with those elements. At least within an instance one could control the quality of players they play with to a certain degree, although this has problems of its own.
What they are doing is not good and should not be defended. It isn’t right and it obviously isn’t right.
Bad, Good, Right, Wrong are all subjective in this debate. They are not breaking any of the terms of service they consented to, thus they are doing nothing “wrong”. They are not actively harming players with their inactivity, unlike those players who lure mobs to these players to kill and then resurrect to give them huge repair bills. That in itself should be a bannable offense as there is malicious intent while the AFKer’s intents are unknown.
Also their actions should be defended as they have not broken any rules set by ArenaNet, thus should not be even considered for banning. As for breaking unspoken rules of gaming etiquette, everyone is guilty of that crime even if they are unaware of it.
What should be defended, what needs to be defended, and what is being defended is their right to do it anyway. Because as it stands no one has the right to tell them otherwise.
To be honest I think the matter shouldn’t have been made into a debatable topic to begin with, nor should it have gone as long as it has.
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No, there is no legitimate defense here. Perma AFKers are selfish, and greedy AND lazy. If they weren’t all these things they would be doing anything else to get better rewards than nothing.
Why are they selfish, because they don’t care about you? Couldn’t the same be said about you or those who are calling them out? How are they greedy? Wouldn’t those who are farming be even more greedy than they are? How are they lazy? More importantly why does the opposition classify them as lazy? With relative ease these arguments can be flipped onto the opposition themselves.
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Perma AFKers are selfish, simple as that. Doesn’t matter who says what to defend them. I would be ashamed to stand there and let other people do all the work.
In your opinion they are selfish. The same could be said about those complaining about the afkers, or anyone not doing what they want in general. Also while you may feel ashamed for doing nothing in a video game and being rewarded others may not.
24944 – 5382 check for yourself. There’s nothing in the ingame map, so it’s a clue. But I can’t understand what is it…seems a building or a temple..
Jormag!! You’re next!
Actually that’s the Eye of the North building, if you link your Guild Wars 1 account with your Guild Wars 2 account you would receive an in-game item that would teleport you to the ruins and you may purchase skins for your armor in both pvp and pve for free.
Edit: mercury ranique and bobbles beat me to it.
afk’ing , is NOT playing.
You cannot call it a playstyle, because they are not playing.
In your opinion it not a playstyle.
The force the rest of us to fail. Like I said if 30 or so players are afk, it’s next to impossible to get 1200 saved. Often reaching 900 or so, but never 1200.
They not forcing you to do anything, in fact after reading the thread I say its the ones complaining that are forcing others to conform to their mentality. “Running Heirlooms now that I already got my wings? How sinister and selfish of you!” “What you wanted this achievement? Why didn’t you get it the same time I did? We saving civilians now because I said so.” The only reason the afkers are being targeted more is because there the highest chance of getting sympathy from other players. “Those cruel selfish afkers are forcing the whole server to fail, they should be banned for inconveniencing others.” What’s next you going to ask Anet to ban those who ask to be resurrected instead of waypointing? Or how about those players who complain on the forums about the mindless zerg and refuse to shut up when the farmers tell them to?
This isn’t fair, and the people who afk, don’t care that they’re making it impossible for those actually playing.
Life isn’t fair, this is just one of the many drawbacks of having an open world mmo.
you can’t really make up for other peoples failure when there are 30-40 afk. It’s nearly impossible to catch up and save enough civs while also having people in events, with nearly 1/4 of people on the map doing nothing at all.
And most didn’t suddenly have rl business to attend to.
They can get free loot so they enter to get free loot, ..they don’t care that they are making it very difficult if not possible for players to get 1200 civ saved.And this is frustrating.
They not failing then, if their intention is to get free loot they are succeeding. However you’re failing as your intention is to get to a certain quota in the event. This is why some want to return to instances of Guild Wars 1, as it would give everyone control of whom they party with making it easier to handle such problems. The counter argument to this wish is either “It an open world” or “Do you know what the MMO in MMORPG means?” which have now turned and bit the ones who made such arguments. In an open world, especially one that encourages players to Play as they want, there going to be a variety of play styles that may or may not mesh well with one another. Just because one doesn’t consider a certain method a play style doesn’t necessary mean that it isn’t.
The Pact has airships of its own. Upgrading them with Watchknight technology will enhance their performance, if anything. Its rather curious that pirates would have access to such advance cutting edge technology without a truly wealthy patron while the Pact who has the patronage of all five major races of Tyria struggles to field at least as many.
Why trust technology that may or may not have been designed by Scarlet, we don’t know if the watchknights are actually of human designed. Even if Scarlet only was able to take control due to the similarities between them and the steam creatures, they are still a security risk. There is no guarantee that the Watchknights 2.0 would not be at risk of Scarlet hijacking their controls again.
Another thing to consider is that the Watchknights are the property of Divinity’s Reach, it is up to Queen Jennah to grant access to the technology behind the Watchknights. I do not think she will be willing to grant such technology to an interracial organization, especially given what transpired at the Queen’s Jubilee. While it was Countess Anise who made the watchknight appear like Rytlock, Queen Jennah did not show public disapproval. This gives the impression that she views humanity as superior to the other races and they are still enemies, at the moment insignificant to the threat of the Elder Dragons. The invitations of non-humans was to showcase humanity’s newest weapon, a flexing of her nation’s militaristic muscle.
Grenth presides over ice. Abaddon held on to water until he was destroyed, after which Lyssa appears to have taken it.
Odd I could of swore it was Grenth that inherited that power, I’ll chalk that one to a faulty memory.
Edit: I can confirm it was faulty memory, Grenth was patron of Water Elementalists. That’s probably why I thought he had control over water.
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I’m with you (Hylek, Kodan, Tengu are waaay cooler than Quaggan!), but we might be in a minority. When the inevitable player-backed Quaggan invasion of Tyria finally happens, my hammer and I will back you up!
If it’s player-backed I suggest a tactical retreat from the game all-together since even if we were to bottle neck the hordes of Quaggan-lovers we will still loose simply through attrition. Then again I wonder how many would remain loyal to the Quaggans when one of them hulks out, those things are hideous when they go berserk.
On a side note, I honestly don’t understand how anyone could like a talking fish. But then again I’m not fond of aquatic environments or creatures for a reason unknown to even me.
Lol…
Then each dragon [awakening] added an extra day to the orbital period of Tyria. But that means when Mordy wakes up, it will be 366 days in a year. :O
F*** that, Garbage Story!
He can be the leap year dragon.
(Also it isn’t a massive change, it’s not as though it alters how we understand Tyria and I think we can safely ignore it for the sake of the betterment of the lore. I’m not willing to concede that somehow an Asura is just infinitely more intelligent than every single previous Tyrian astronomer.)
I don’t think it was the Asura being smarter than every previous astronomer, it was more of the Asura realizing a certain Asuran date was coming up and they were completely unprepared. Instead of admitting they had goofed off when they should be working, they instead fabricated evidence of additional days believing the other races wouldn’t care in the slightest.
- Lyssa share their divinity, that is why they count as one goddess. This is the core basis behind their whole “twin goddess” (as opposed to “twin goddesses”). When counting the Six Gods, they count as one being, even though they are technically two.
Oh so that’s how it works, I was always confused why they refer to them as just twin goddess instead of goddesses. I liked reading the lore about Grenth, which is somewhat funny seeing as my first character was an Elementalist.
- Nothing says Dhuum retains divinity – in fact, everything says he lost his divinity (to Grenth), particularly the skill point of “Dhuum’s Last Stand”. He is a fallen god, not a god – there’s a difference.
I think my confusing stems from Nightfall how Abaddon is still considered a God, despite losing portions of his power as well to the other gods. I remember reading that’s where Grenth inherited his power of water from.
- Menzies is not a god either nor is he ever implied to be such (you spelled his name right).
I had a suspicion he wasn’t an actual god but it was also possible I had missed some piece of lore that stated he wasn’t considered a god simply because the others didn’t recognize him in any fashion. And thanks for confirming I spelled his name right.
If you’re going to argue “there are more gods” then the beings you should look at are Koda, Mellagan, and Zintl. They may not be human gods, but they are called gods by their respective followers, and though there are hints that Melandru and Mellagan are the same it is still unconfirmed (in a similar manner, there’s been theories that Koda is, in fact, the combined interpretation of Dwayna and Melandru, as well as being an alternate representation of Bear Spirit (the former coming from Koda’s titles, the latter coming from the new Edge of the Mists where the Spirit of Koda is a bear spirit, much like Bear Spirit was in GW1).
I wasn’t aware of Koda, Mellagan, and Zintl until now. Couldn’t I use the possibility that Abaddon acquired his powers from an older now depose god to indicate their could be multiple gods lurking about? I know the apostate says Abaddon acquired his divinity from another god, but to my knowledge there hasn’t been additional information found about that.
Actually, the reason why Tequatl got stronger is because after Zhaitan fell, Trahearne had to step in and absorb the Elder Dragon’s power. It was a burden that Trahearne simply couldn’t inflict on us and a heroic sacrifice he was willing to make. Trahearne is now Mordremoth.
Hope he knows that still doesn’t excuse him from paying me that 70 gold he lost in a game of Ogden’s Dice Poker.
Still convinced that had she actually tried Scarlet could have made a deadly army with her Centaur/Quaggan Alliance. No player would hurt a Quaggan, even while it’s shoving a battle axe up their nose.
That is incorrect I can easily destroy the Quaggans without remorse, and I’m sure there are more players just as willing. As for the Centaur, my battle chariot won’t pull itself.
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Six elder Dragons.
Six human gods…
Mmm
A lot of people who are new here make that jump, but we shoot it down every time. Once you get past Balthazar-Primordus and Mordremoth-Melandru, the whole thing just falls apart.
Technically there more than six Gods, which I think needs to be explained a little bit better. Lyssa lore says she is a twin goddess so technically she represents two goddesses. Also to consider Dhuum still retains his divinity status but is not recognized by the humans, same for Balthazar’s half-brother Menzies ( I might of misspelled his name), as a god. So there are nine human gods active unless I’m missing something that makes Dhuum and Menzies not eligible to hold the definition of a god in the Guild Wars universe.
He’s busy doing a mountain of paperwork and going to meetings to get more funding for the Pact. It seems his second in command is nowhere to be found to help with the work load.
My contract, as I’m sure is the case of many other commanders, specifically states I do not handle paperwork. That’s his job.
It was only in pre-NF-release promotional lore pieces distributed solely to the Asian market.
Oh I wasn’t aware of there being any exclusive lore material, thank you for explaining.
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“By Ogden’s Hammer! What savings… thanks to Evon’s very reasonable prices on the Gem Store!”
He even gave everyone a free Mini-Set 2 pack. Such a generous charr that Evon is. Even the most anti-charr human would agree.
“By the Bones of Zhaitan, what desperation.”
Also the most anti-charr humans wouldn’t agree, they would rather die than acknowledge something about a Charr. Now you could maybe get away with saying the Arcane Council praised him slightly.
If you actually did read this entire 15 pages thread… i’m sorry to say that you’ll get no surprise. I know i didn’t get a reaction at all, i expected something like that. However if you are really into gw2 lore and how the world changes, you might have hype for a few minutes after discovering what’s happening.
That’s i guess the problem about the theorycrafting theories. If someone actually finds the right guessing and you read it (and you believe it makes sense and will happen), the surprise feelings are gone when it actually happens and your reaction lacks of emotion.
So no large amounts of threads of certain individuals hating the living story?
If the datamined ending is correct… i can only say that we’re not gonna be surprised, it has been an accurate theory for months. Just wait for a week and we’ll see what happens. Nevertheless, i bet we’re gonna have more questions than answers.
In your opinion, since you appear to have seen the datamine, what would be the largest reaction from the community? I am actually curious what to expect when I get off work, since I’ll be starting work again next month.
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The citizens voted her in, thus elected her to the Council. That also means that every person who voted for her, also is responsible for Lion’s Arch being the way it is now.
You Evon supporters could of stopped me when I was going “Eenie Meenie, Miny, Moe” on the baskets. I know at least two had Evon’s portrait over their heads when I was standing at the middle. Although I highly doubt my two votes would of done anything except very slightly lessen the defeat.
“And I’m Scarlet Briar, and I approve all of these messages as long as it keeps you fools yelling at each other while I burn your ‘precious’ city to the ground! HAHAHAHAHA!”
“I’m General Trahearne, this won’t end well.”
‘’What does an elder dragon need with a giant drill?’
Maybe they got a tooth act and need dental work?
Scarlet DOES have Norn in her army.
See Horrik and the Aetherblade Thumpers.
I do know she had Norn in her army, I encounter a few during the Queen’s Jubilee. However the Norn are well known for their individualistic nature, and from the cinematic there wasn’t a notable Norn presence in Scarlet’s forces so I assumed the Norns amongst her forces had been eradicated.
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