Guild Wars 2

Hammerguard.9834:

They have mobility, sustain, and pressure so I don’t get what kind of joke this “dh sux” bandwagon is.

I’m not gonna explain any of it because talking on the forums is just talking to a bunch of bad players but if you’ve actually seen a good dh you should know they’re the opposite of what op wrote.

And no, a good dh doesn’t take dragons maw so 90% of you should just stop talking.

pro league players ranked guardians D to F tier, I have an inkling they know what they’re talking about more than you do.

and no kitten good DHs don’t take dragon’s maw, stop saying things people already know.

also lol at “16 secs of swiftness from symobl” as mobility, stacking that much swiftness requires you to STAND STILL in an effing symbol for 4 seconds, such mobility LOL.

Even the sunshine pumping casters summarized it:

Guardians have NO mobility
Guardians have NO pressure
Guardians have NO sustain
Guardians have the lowest HP pool
Guardians is the ONLY class in game without a passive movement speed increase.

Thanks Karl, at least WvW zerglings aren’t dying to longbow 5 anymore though #InAGoodPlace

how is it a “bug” if its simply named something different than what you want?

Volatile.8452:

Hexalot.8194:

Josh XT.6053:

Not enough “thanks” go out to the ANet guys I think. I gave a lot of negative feedback when HoT came out and am happy to see they’re turning things around.

That said, in NA, the server tiers have been shaken up greatly and I’m loving seeing different servers to fight more often. I’m on Blackgate and we’ve been fighting Jade Quarry and Yaks bend for god knows how long, now we’re getting Dragonbrand and TC in the mix too. It has been a lot of fun seeing some different servers without having to transfer around.

Very interesting that Yaks Bend and Jade Quarry have dropped to Tier 2 after being in tier 1 for so long as well.

JQ yes, but Yaks hasn’t been in T1 that long compared to the other traditional T1 servers. Six months at the most maybe ?

But we (Yaks Bend) were winning almost every single week. I actually stopped playing WvW because some weeks we would be 80k points ahead of BG.

As was stated earlier, YB lost a few guilds to TC that inevitably led to a drop to Tier 2. Currently we are beating JQ and FA, but it’s a lot more evenly matched than the blowouts that were happening vs BG after the guilds transferred. I could head to EB in primetime and we were outnumbered because we were losing so bad that no one bothered to play. I think the new matchups have been working much better so far and I’ve had some really fun smaller scale battles with FA and JQ. I, for one, hope these tier shakeups continue.

bragging about beating BG when it isn’t seasons or when there’s nothing on the line just proves how green you are to T1.

the server isn’t named #hibergate for nothing.

he just got that info from twitch chat and passed it off as if he read through it himself, just ignore him.

a ventari hammer condi rev is not experimenting or theorycrafting, its them outright telling everyone they’re just here to play out the games for the prize money.

Sword 1: Projectile
Sword 3: Projectile
Focus 4: Projectile
Torch 4: Projectile
Staff 2: Projectile
GS 2: Projectile
GS 5: Projectile
Scepter 1: Projectile
Hammer 3: Projectile (yes, hammer 3 can be reflected back)
Longbow…all projectiles

the only weapons guardians have that doesn’t involve at least 1 skill being a projectile is…mace…and shield.

get rid of AA counting as skill activation and I’d be fine with half of the interrupt sigils making it into pvp.

Fat Disgrace.4275:

May be for conquest maps (which are boring anyway) but the likes of wvw roaming and even champions dusk, power builds are still very strong

um yea…except the king of wvw roaming is a Dire PU spec cancer perplexity condi mesmer build.

bLind.6278:

XxsdgxX.8109:

bLind.6278:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Darknicrofia.2604:

EpicTurtle.8571:

Thanks for ruining it for the rest of the community, y’know all the other players that play PvE or WvW. Congratulations on your great “victory”

who the kitten even uses surge of the mists in wvw, or uses it in pve for anything other than smashing a boss break bar?

Alot of players actually

For PvE it was also a nice addition to the already bad DPS Revenants have
For WvW since Hammer is a must, and the only ranged option, staff was actually a great alternative to Sword/offAxe and offSword (Sword/Shield is complete suicide with that root)

So 100% of your weapon options aren’t viable in WvW/PvE anymore? That’s a shame. As a warrior, I’ll continue with my nearly 4 straight years of playing Greatsword in PvE and hammer in WvW.

Wow, nice mentality there.

Every class gets pigeonholed into a specific meta build. Every one. You had a non-meta build receiver dps nerfs when the dps of that weapon is terrible in pve anyway. Rifle got absolutely destroyed for warriors in every aspect of play, but we aren’t crying that our fringe-novelty builds got ruined and we’re now garbage.

Revenant is still a top-2 class in sPvP, viable as any class in wvw, and an excellent support in pve. You’re in a perfectly fine spot in every aspect of the game. Stop being greedy at the expense of everyone else.

but what don’t you get that Rev forum amber warriors also want mallyx to be on par with mes/necro, ventari to be on par with ele/druid and jalis to be on par with pre-HoT bunker guard?

they want all their toys and they want them NOW kitten it.

ok, people need to stop harping on Tage’s medihammer build.

it was literally 1 kittening build, used in 1 tournament that hasn’t had that type of duplicated success EVER again by another player.

as opposed to say, D/D ele, shoutbow warrior or the OP elite specs we have now.

EpicTurtle.8571:

Thanks for ruining it for the rest of the community, y’know all the other players that play PvE or WvW. Congratulations on your great “victory”

who the kitten even uses surge of the mists in wvw, or uses it in pve for anything other than smashing a boss break bar?

Zeghart.9841:

Gunflame got a 20% damage nerf too and they removed the pierce effect, all this for a skill that is actually gated behind double CDs and requires adrenaline to use.
True Shot is a 4s cd skill that still pierces and does basically the same damage.
I’d say that comparatively TS got off light.

If you want Guard buffs, True Shot is not where you should ask them. That skill was massively overperforming and the nerf was 100% needed.

I’d like to see more constructive feedback and suggestions from Guards instead of just “revert the changes” because that won’t happen.

Also please stop with the meta talk. There are 9 classes and 5 spots on a team, all classes can’t be meta at the same time and you shouldn’t balance the class towards that. That just adds to the powercreep.

guardians don’t bother giving proper feedback with how to fix base guardians anymore because Anet has been ignoring it for 2 years.

every “buff” patch to guardians has been “reduce CD by 5 seconds” or “add 1 extra second of retaliation” or “remove 1 extra condition” type changes that literally took the entirety of 1 lunch break to write on a napkin.

Even with the unnerfed true shot, hunter’s ward AND the buffed deflecting shot and symbol of energy damage as well as the base guardian shout and virtues buff, guardians still wouldn’t be anywhere close to a top 4 class.

At best, it’d be a viable 5th and that’s its absolute ceiling.

Hexalot.8194:

RodOfDeath.5247:

Isn’t DK still playing? He’s a PPT machine and usually finds a way to win matches.

Someone said he announced on team speak that he’s gonna be pulling 24hr duty tonight. :-D

if all he’s doing is putting 50 on 1 party again and dies on inc at every engagement, he can put up 28 hour shifts per day and he still won’t end up doing kitten now that he has more than doors to fight against.

toker and sind makes thieves viable, not the other way around.

Chase.2798:

jcbroe.4329:

Darknicrofia.2604:

jcbroe.4329:

Chase.2798:

Pvt Frosty.6973:

Druid is still a very top tier pick as a side-node fighter and an off-support, beating out Scrappers in sustain and utility and being able to cap Chronos 1v1. Playing druids as resbots last season was extremely weak and really underdeveloped as a one trick pony (see Alkores appearance for Vermillion, I think in week 1 or 2)

Not really sure where you heard that it’ll be ele/druid/engi core. More like Ele/Druid/Chrono. The other 2 slots are still up in the air. A lot of teams are trying different things (Rev/Thief or Rev/War or Rev/Necro, Rev most often is still part of the meta comp though, at least for now)

I would say all esl teams will be running ele, druid, chrono, and rev with most choosing warrior thief or engi…im interested to the abjured’s team comp…i heard nos was playing druid and im sure chaith will stick to engi

They’ll probably run without an ele, like they have been doing.

um what? PZ is the one that runs without an ele, not Abjured

My fault, you’re right, I sort of forgot their team comp since it isn’t worthwhile to watch them anymore on stream. I just remember phanta plays mesmer now, chaith is forever engi, toker is rev, and Nos is trying out Druid but more than likely will return to necro.

Their fifth is Wakkey still right? I guess that would mean ele or engi, and since you can’t class stack, ele.

It probably sounds bad but I always forget about Wakkey lol.

Eles are forgetful in esl lol they are never the ones talked about much

other than positional awareness and proper rotations, its pretty much impossible to be either that “good” or that “bad” on an auramancer.

The thing that needs un-nerfing is the Hunter’s Ward skill function change.

True Shot’s nerf, although severe, is only secondary.

StickerHappy.8052:

Darknicrofia.2604:

StickerHappy.8052:

Can we make ranger traps on par with DH traps now?

and while we’re at it, can we make guardian healing on par with druid?

This is not even a comparison.

Druid is an elite spec that SOLELY REVOLVES ON HEALING

heck, even the class mechanic is 4/5 healing, Staff is 4/5 healing lol, no comparison

so your core spec utility skills should be as strong as DH’s elite spec utility skills because you said so, but the other way around is no bueno?

and news flash, GUARDIAN is a class that revolves around…gasp…guarding? why shouldn’t base guard have at least viable support compared to a class that uses a pet as its class mechanic?

literally the only ppl complaining about how unjustly mesmers are considered OP are ambier tier scrubs that got carried to ruby by an insanely OP spec and thinks they should be legend in their own unskilled delusional minds.

StickerHappy.8052:

Can we make ranger traps on par with DH traps now?

and while we’re at it, can we make guardian healing on par with druid?

CutesySylveon.8290:

In 1v1 I usually start in shiro with staff. I bait out the opening bursts and port to after they blow a few skills. Thieves I start in glint since the reveal makes me tingle with joy when they drop a SR and end up revealed in it.

this is such terrible advice, please don’t listen.

you should start almost every fight in glint/sword for might stack, land either precision or unrelenting, then swap to shiro/staff to proc equilibrium and surge of the mists.

thats the burst combo every above emerald rev should know by now.

jcbroe.4329:

Chase.2798:

Pvt Frosty.6973:

Druid is still a very top tier pick as a side-node fighter and an off-support, beating out Scrappers in sustain and utility and being able to cap Chronos 1v1. Playing druids as resbots last season was extremely weak and really underdeveloped as a one trick pony (see Alkores appearance for Vermillion, I think in week 1 or 2)

Not really sure where you heard that it’ll be ele/druid/engi core. More like Ele/Druid/Chrono. The other 2 slots are still up in the air. A lot of teams are trying different things (Rev/Thief or Rev/War or Rev/Necro, Rev most often is still part of the meta comp though, at least for now)

I would say all esl teams will be running ele, druid, chrono, and rev with most choosing warrior thief or engi…im interested to the abjured’s team comp…i heard nos was playing druid and im sure chaith will stick to engi

They’ll probably run without an ele, like they have been doing.

um what? PZ is the one that runs without an ele, not Abjured

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

read through the thread again, they literally planned this out to the extent of “typing out their evil plan in game chat, where surely the mods cannot see”

Silverkey.2078:

from an average opinion of 10 pro league players:
http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

thanks, I totally didn’t just post that 2 posts above yours.

Squishy.3694:

Vicky.4563:

Wasn’t Frostball the one who got DDOSed against TCG? Hmm….

That was Argi if I’m not mistaken.

No it was frostball, Argi is the engie, Frostball was the mes that got ddosed.

lol

/15charrzookas

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

TLDR:

S tier: Mesmer, Rev

A tier: Ele, Ranger

B tier: Engie, Thief

C tier: Necro, Warrior

D tier: Guardian

Trends

Mesmer received 100% S tier votes
Engineer had the largest spread, ranging from A tier to D tier
Guardian received the only F tier vote
Guardian’s highest vote was C tier
Warrior, previously regarded as the worst class in PvP, received 60% of votes in the B Tier, showing its drastic improvement from the latest patch
Two of the previous meta’s most highly regarded classes, elementalist and necromancer, received votes as low as C tier
Thief hit A tier once, but 55% of votes were in C tier
Revenant only received S and A tier votes
Ranger received 91% votes in the S or A tier, with only one B tier vote

hammer auto attack needs to be able to land more consistently in pvp

mighty blow is fine, but the JI interaction needs to be reverted

number 3 skill is absolutely horrible, not only does it move slower than molasses, is only a thin narrow line, but it can actually be reflected back by projectile hate.

banish needs faster casting and shorter recharge

ring of warding needs to be able to be used while moving.

with the stability changes favoring the counter CC, please consider reverting the nerfs to DH Hunter’s Ward, Lines/Rings of Warding and Static Field.

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John Smith.4610:

It’s me.

will your AoE attacks drain gold silver and copper from players instead of health?

Yannir.4132:

Darknicrofia.2604:

pro league season 2 has no class stacking rules and guardian has never been used ONCE (outside of 1 time from a team that was scrambling to fill a roster and ended up playing non meta classes for fun not on TS) while 4 classes were locked in meta and the 5th/6th slot being fluid between druid and scrapper.

Twice. But I’m glad they did it, those were the 2 best match-ups I’ve seen all season. I’m rooting for them now.

I mean, whatever comp oRNG used shouldn’t even be taken seriously as AG weekly builds. They literally didn’t even bother getting on TS.

Tier 0: Condi Mesmer, Power Rev

Tier 1: Auramancer, Bunker Druid

Tier 2: Condi Reaper, Thief/DD

Tier 3: Scrappers, Warriors/Zerkers, Guardian/DH

whatever class I main takes the most skill, and whatever class counters me takes the least.

revs have legends that specialize in dealing with conditions, you don’t get to pick and choose and decide that the current strongest power build in the game whose only weakness is to conditions get to have amazing condition cleanse too.

you don’t get to have your cake, eat it, then ask for a second cake and a pie too.

With Assassin’s Annihilation currently bugged to deal 600% of its intended damage (over 900% in PvE), Rev hammer auto attacks hits harder than True Shots as long as its hitting from the side/behind.

GG anet, GG.

Seriously when is this going to get fixed?

this trait is currently outperforming its intended damage by OVER 900%, are you freaking kidding me?

The fact that Evan has to even ask this question legitimately terrifies me.

This is on par with if Isaiah Cartwright asked [rawr] why they prefer GvG over Team Arenas.

tomwjd.8172:

It hits for about 2k damage (2032) when hitting enemies w/ projectiles. (precision strike, warding rift, hammer auto attack)

It also ignores the flanking part of the trait description, you can still life steal even if hitting them from the front.

it hits for 3.5k in pve with full buffs and 25 stacks of might.

under full food/oil buffs and 25 stacks of might

the bugged assassin’s annihilation trait deals 3.5k life steal damage (doesn’t heal for that much) with every projectile attack hitting enemies from the side/behind.

Manuhell.2759:

Darknicrofia.2604:

being able to 1v2 because of your spec is NOT the sign of a good player, its the sign of an overtuned build

An overtuned spec that no one ever cared about outside of pvp. Ever asked yourself why?

I’m asking myself why anyone would come to the PVP forum and spout “no one cares outside of pvp”

with jalis hammer, you can literally afk kill someone in like 5 seconds without doing anything.

if you died to a guardian that runs 4 traps, you deserved the death…

trunks.5249:

i have seen guards take out 3 people in less then a few seconds.

yea, server 002 in hotjoin is a great environment to gauge balance

dragon hunter was a bottom 3 spec that got nerfed further away from the meta, it wasn’t “brought down” to equal playing field. it was a 6/10 class that got nerfed down to a 4.5

and no, there isn’t any other viable, at least competitive builds outside of literally the exact same meditrapper build from last season, its simply only 70% as effective now.

there isn’t one single aspect in spvp that DH is the best at, not a single one, anything the DH can do, there is another class capable of doing it much more efficiently, hell we don’t even hard counter thieves the best anymore.

complete overhaul of the radiance tree, currently the minor traits in radiance doesn’t even proc with DH virtues.

give guardians acess to more than just burning as a damage dealing condition.

give guardians access to more than just light fields, or change the way finishers interact with it.

symbols…have it actually mean something when fighting non AI, its completely overtuned in high end pve as a necessity for damage and also completely useless in wvw and spvp.

revert ward skills back to pre-patch status ASAP, they are NOT AN ISSUE to deal with after the changes to stability. staff 5 and hammer 5 were already inferior skills on inferior weapons to begin with, they did not need double nerfing.

buff guardian sustain substantially so our healing isn’t 100% reliant on burst heals like wings of resolve and purification that allows us to reset a fight twice then die immediately after 3 healing cooldown skills are used. nerf the burst healing about on purification as a trade off if needed but we absolutely NEED more sustain.

stop having every single weapon root us, this isn’t vanilla launch anymore, sword #3 does NOT warrant a channel, and speaking of sword 3, seriously? a projectile destruction skill that can actually be REFLECTED by other projectile hate skills?

on the same note, STOP giving us projectile finishers on EVERY SINGLE one of our viable pvp weapons, hell even the sword auto attack can be reflected by projectile hate, literally wtf?

change how renewed focus interacts with monk’s focus trait, the healing needs to be applied at the start of the RF channel, not 3 seconds after the channeling completes.

fix DH virtues so that they no longer go on full cooldown when interrupted, which also in the same vein, how is it that shield of courage, even when traited as a stunbreak stability boon giving skill, CAN STILL BE INTERRUPTED?

make smite condition unblockable…hear me out on this one, guardians have stopped using shelter as a healing skill altogether outside of WvW simply because when traited with smiter’s boon, the skill gets interrupted SO MANY times by shocking aura and goes on full cooldown that it has made one of the staple guardian skills from launch completely unviable now.

change heavy light’s functionality to give deflecting shot knockback instead of random knockbacks every 10 seconds…opponents do not like random CCs and neither do we guardians, give us some semblance of control over when we get to CC in a fight and deflecting shot isn’t exactly the easiest skill to land, the change is actually a nerf (which you guys are fond of doing to us)

change symbol of energy into an instant cast skill like symbol of swiftness, if you indeed intend for this skill to become the replacement or supplement true shot’s 20% damage nerf, change it to something that moves a bit faster than just a bigger scepter auto attack orb

protection is fine

perma protection is NOT fine

perma protection granting 40% damage reduction being spammed is DEFINITELY not fine.

I was being hit with 2.5k leech damage in the last match I was in