Guild Wars 2

Are they really fights or are they puzzles?

I guess legendary armor wasn’t part of HoT either or for that matter the raid wings themselves…… all added after launch of HoT….. and at intervals I might add

I will define it as false advertising if any of those 16 legendary weapons attatched to the legendary journies entry is put behind a 2nd expansion paywall.

Not everyone in Guild Wars 2 was going to have access to legendary journies and you know it. So adding the weapons to the game meant HoT

So the marketing trick is to combine content that will be released at launch with content that will be released AFTER launch in advertisements and teasers about the expansion to make the expansion look more attractive…….. then deny that advertised content released after launch is part of the expansion

hmmmmmm…… I really hope that isn’t the way they operate.

“until the full set of sixteen has been added to the game”……… What game are they talking about when this statement was released? Wasn’t the core game…… Wasn’t a second expansion because that didn’t exist….. seems to me to be HoT. Remember legendary journies was a much hyped part of HoT and this 16 number was attatched to the legendary journies entry( legendary journies being a HoT thing and all)

I will say again that buyers should be wary when Anet starts giving you features for the next expansion.

Actually Anet said a set of 16 new legendaries with HoT

Buy more gems!!! Buy more gems!!!!

Is this hype train going to go off the rails too?

so instead of normal combat Anet will be resorting to the gimmick of the month

It’s all about solving the gimmicks and not about combat anymore….. This maybe interesting to some people but it seems silly to me.

I just hope that Anet avoids the hype train this time around. Anet, please don’t hype content that doesn’t come day 1 from the new expansion. I am tired of the “was too much for the staff to handle” tricks.

Be very wary of pre-ordering. I learned my lesson.

I wonder if op is aware that Anet implemented a patch in the spring of 2016 to actually make HoT easier. This was done because of complaints of many gw2 players. It seems to me that it would make terrible business sense to implement ops ideas.

Unfortunately, Anet listened only to a small section of the playerbase…. I am sure a lot of the playerbase wasn’t even aware of the CDI back in the day…… Lots of the ideas for HoT came directly from the CDI and I sure don’t think HoT represents the wishes of the entire playerbase.

so if HoT is what we got by Anet listening to the playerbase……. I wish they wouldn’t listen to the playerbase

I suggest taking another long break from the game. You might never feel the need to return and that is okay. That just means that the game wasn’t good enough to keep you playing. I’m sure you can find something else to play that will entertain you more.

There was a rather enigmatic statement made a while ago by either Anet or Ncsoft that “they had learned their lesson with HoT” ….

I am rather curious to see with the next expansion what those lessons were.

Op, you make a very valid point regarding the inconsistencies of terrain in this game. I too get frustrated with the guess work involved.

Everything about the Sylvari just turn me off. Would have improved the game for me if they would have been left out.

I am specifically speaking about the expansion HoT and not gw2 as a whole when I say it is irksome.

My perspective is that it is the vertical maps that ruin the experience for a lot of gamers. I know a lot of people enjoy them but a lot of people don’t. I enjoy the convenience of flat maps. I am not forced to “run through hoops” to get somewhere. Bounce on this mushroom, find this updraft, etc…… On a flat map, I could just go where I want(yes, I might have to platform a little to get a vista or something but that is fine)

I’ve gamed for years but I wouldn’t say a broad range of games. Dragon age, Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls(not the mmo), Dragon’s Dogma, Fable, Red Dead redemption, Kingdoms of Amalur. I’ve played way more but these are games that provide the style of map I am looking for in a game. Core gw2 maps pretty much corresponded to this style(exceptions being rata sum, the grove, black citadel, dry top)

I understand at this point that people are so split on flat vs vertical maps that we are debating just for the debate. I am not trying to get vertical maps removed from the game. If this game was made just for me there would be no vertical maps but I have empathy for my fellow gw2 players that enjoy these maps.

My point is that HoT is not overly difficult it is just irksome.

The difference is in HoT the entire map feels like an obstacle course….. I will grant you Dry Top seemed transitional…….. but none of the other core maps come close to the player vs map rigor that goes with HoT

I would advise taking another break from gw2. If you’re not enjoying the game, it really doesn’t matter how much you have invested in it. Who knows you might find something else and never come back to this game. You are either going to miss the game or you are not.

“Others see demons in the wall and complain”

I get it. To try to win your argument you are going to use a snarky comment to make anyone who disagrees with you appear to be out of touch with reality or a nonsensical troublemaker.

I don’t agree….. I think HoT was a massive change from core gw2……. This has nothing to do with difficulty of enemies…… The game became more of a player vs map game. The HoT maps have an obstacle course feel to them…………

Not to mention the many changes of other components(guild influence system changed, gated content, nintento style adventures, farming requirements increased from core game)

Just to clear it up none of my complaints have to do with enemy difficulty.

The idea of an expansion is change(new lands, new stories, new encounters, new armors and weapons, new races, etc…….. These things keep the game from stagnating

I am just not in favor of reworking the game into something else(majority flat map game turned into majority vertical map game in expansion, influence based guild turned into mat and gold sink based guild system, etc.)

I was looking for a more content oriented expansion than a game rework expansion

To expand on the analogy let’s say that after dark side of the moon Pink Floyd decided to make a hip-hop album

Of course no game is perfect, but I believe that the complaint was that someone finds a game they like and then an expansion comes along an fundamentally changes the game in such a manner that it is no longer enjoyable.

What is wrong in asking or expecting for more of the same in an expansion?

I’ve made my way around the vertical maps and I still don’t enjoy them as much as flat maps. I think Skor.4652 finds vertical maps at their very essence less enjoyable than flat maps. Again, it is a matter of game taste.

Skor’s tastes didn’t change the product changed.

I think Skor.4652 has a valid point. His tastes haven’t changed the product has(obviously Skor favored flat maps to multitiered maps).

Translation: If you do not bring out the pom poms and support the game through recommendations and money, you are a terrible person who has given in to selfishness and overpowering primitive instincts.

Would you be willing to accept the possibility that Anet has some shred of responsibility for losing such support?

Fractals- legendary backpiece 1 very insignificant piece of armor minimal stats

PvP – legendary backpiece 1 very insignificant piece of armor minimal stats

Raids- full suit of legendary armor 6 significant pieces of armor significant stats that
can be changed on the fly

rewards seem a bit unbalanced

I must be missing something……. When did Illconceived say pve-only??

He said in the game.

The topic should have been labeled " What Lily.1935 would like to see in the next expansion"

The topic heading is easy to misinterpret.

As it is written……. the poster is also an “I”

“Idea for unique paths with elites in next expansion”

The topic of this thread is “What I’d like to see in the next expansion” The op even says feel free to respond. A poster on this thread says that they would like wvw to get some attention and that an elite is not going to convince him to spend 50 dollars. The poster did express some negativity on Anet’s inclination to cater to wvw but so what?

The op berates said poster claiming that the topic isn’t about wvw. Last time I looked wvw is still part of this game and supposedly will be after the next expansion drops.

@op……. Please don’t bring “safespace” bullcrap on to the forums. You are NOT the moderator. Don’t ask for responses if you are not prepared for thinking that differs from your own.

As far as what I’d like to see in the expansion, it would be for Anet to deliver any advertised content of the next expansion in a timely manner. If there are features of this expansion to be released after launch, please give a timeline of release to customers and stick to it.

Actually, remove the mastery points and let experience bar fill up…… That way you get to enjoy whatever content you want to play in a given zone.

I agree not everyone wants legendary armor so they can lord it over players that don’t have it. I do however think there is a portion of smug, condescending players that do. These are the same types who rapidly respond to forum entries with “git gud” or “plebs” etc……. So I see where people might resent this type of attitude getting rewarded.

I wasn’t aware you could achieve a legendary weapon just by spamming 1 in the open world. Maybe spamming your credit card is another story.

I detest mastery points. It is a haphazard system of forcing you into content you might not like. There is really no logical reason for them. These mastery point activities usually don’t even correspond to the mastery you are achieving.

You character could spend the next 10 years in the HoT maps without learning the language, lore or skills needed to survive in the jungle, but do one idiotic adventure and now he or she suddenly might understand a language………

In my opinion, experience alone should be all that is needed to fill each mastery bar.

Of the maps released since HoT, it is the fastest way to get ascended trinkets and backpiece. (referring to map currency acquisition only)

@Lunateric….. I agree exclusive items are fine…… and just like you compared pvp and fractals I think raids deserve a backpiece ONLY as well.

A WHOLE suit of armor just for one niche of the game?????

hmmm….. since they are referred to as specializations I think that implies that they are meant to be separate…….. Perhaps these specializations are such intense disciplines that they can’t be maintained at the same time.

Another elite spec just means you get another choice of playing styles for your class. You have to make a choice which one you want to play. This was always present even before HoT released.

Long before HoT launched legendary armor had been discussed by the community as something that would be cool for the game. In contrast, the subjects of gear grind, mounts, and raids always generated strong negative feelings among the community. Many players even stated outright that they had made gw2 their home because they left games that had raids and raiding culture.

With all of this as context, Anet has the brilliant idea to gate one of the most desired “shinies” behind raids. For a company who supposedly listens to the community they were incredibly tone deaf with this decision. Please note that I am not blaming people who enjoy raiding, this is solely on Anet management.

I propose that Anet go the route of legendary weapons. Just like dungeon tracks in pvp they could incorporate raid tracks.

To compensate raiders perhaps Anet could design a unique and exclusive backpiece like they did for pvp and fractals.

@AliamRationem…….. It seems to me that the community is split pretty evenly on vertical maps vs flat maps. While I don’t like vertical maps(because of its incompatibility with the minimap), I understand that a lot of people enjoy them.

I just don’t want future maps to be all vertical maps. I think at this point Anet would be well served mixing it up to keep both sides happy.

Anet……. PLEASE work on your minimap

Hopefully there will be no hype train this time around. It didn’t end up well for them last time. Perhaps with betatesting they might preview requirements. I remember the 400 hero point requirement being sprung on the community one week before release of HoT.

Perhaps those kind of things could be avoided with this expansion.

I’ve been hearing about legendary quipping issues lately….. oh wait, that is legendary armor : )

@Swagger…… I think that would make a very impressive looking weapon.

I think of Nevermore as more of a joke weapon than Bifrost. It elicits a bunch of Edgar Allen Poe quips.

If those two were to disappear from the face of Tyria tomorrow I wouldn’t give them a second thought. I don’t know why Destiny’s Edge was ditched for this new cast of annoying npcs.

My hope is if they could ditch Destiny’s Edge maybe they will ditch this group in favor of yet another cast of npcs for the next expansion. I am not holding my breath on that though.

@Inculpatus cedo……. You may just be right about that. It has been a long time since the statement about mistakes was made. If it wasn’t Mike O’Brien I apologize for the error.