Guild Wars 2

Ruin.3461:

I like dagger storm better. It’s like tornado except people have to be revived to get back up.

I like daggerstorm too… A little feedback, maybe some retaliation, mix in a bit of confusion and let the thief do all the self-killing him/herself… xD

Seige.4862:

Wow just wow………………………………..

Yeah, we may have different perspectives on the OP…

But wow. Just wow. xD

Dynnen.6405:

selan.8354:

EvilSardine.9635:

Yep, confusion needs to be nerfed. Even my friend who has a mesmer says so. If you’re saying otherwise, then you’re silly and have ZERO experience fighting a good confusion mesmer. Atleast lower it to the damage it does in PvP. In WvW the damage is just absurd. Like 8 stacks or so of confusion on a warrior will do a ridiculous 5,000 damage just because he DODGE ROLLS….you know to avoid more confusion attacks.

We’ve done done tests using classes with as many condition removals as possible and the good mesmer can keep confusion on you the entire time. You can be a warrior with mending, shake it off (letting auto trait trigger then using it manually after), and rune of the soldier so conditions are removed when you use a shout, and you will still have constant confusion put on you. It’s too easy to apply.

It’s pretty obvious it needs to be tweaked in WvW. Damage is cut down by 50% in PvP. You cannot argue that it doesn’t need balancing if Anet already did it for PvP.

if u have gotten 5000 dmg then it was a crit and u must have run into th nullfield that was placed together with th bubble. we put both fields down at the same time so it causes more dmg.i dodge out of enemiy mesmers bubble all the time and don’t get that kind of dmg. whats your thoughness.

1) It CAN’T CRIT
2) 5k damage was a bit of an over-statement, but not much. Happy/Angry Unicorns a guy we fight quite often, has his 8 stack confusion hits that hit for 3400, and I’m pretty sure isn’t running the 2100 condition damage I’ve seen from our new mesmers.

Lastly. The next person that says “Confusion only kills bad players” needs to leave this thread. Its not the confusion that kills you, its the confusion that causes such heinous damage that prevents you from doing anything that kills you. Also, no one can say “I’ve never been hit by condition damage” so I guess we are all bad players.

Confusion only kills bad players. And you’re right, it doesn’t make you a bad if you get hit by confusion… Only if you die to it.

Hey TC folks, how is it you deal with trolls again? Oh yeah…

“You have a very interesting point of view. Thank you for sharing.”

Am I doing it right?

Bursts.1540:

I wish it were so. But from what ya’ll have done to us, between the 2 servers would still be a gap in coverage. WM is placed perfectly to hit our gap, but that goes the same for our European brothers hitting a gap in Kn’s coverage. Now say Bg and Kn would join, there wouldnt be any gaps.

Well, since there’s just no way we can leave TC out of this, I guess we’re back to the Tier 2 secession idea…

Edit: Tarnished Kaingate?

dumptruck.7569:

If or when we move up, you all we be missed. T1 got heated and is very intense, but I think the fine folks at TC showed us how to play hard and still maintain a sense of dignity. Kain, you all are definitely on the right road, FLAVA has tought you well. You have been classy in game and on the forums.

What time slot are FoE and Agg?

When you guys go up, bring a little TC flavor to T1. Maybe folks there will see the light and enjoy themselves a bit better.

Yar!

Esoteric.5490:

TC, hop on our back; you’re coming to Tier 1 with us.

Mind blown. Tarnished Gate would likely make even the mighty JQ tremble.

rhyein.6172:

We had a decent amount of oceanic guilds interested, but they all ended up going to JQ or SoS. There were tears. We do a pretty good job holding out despite the big coverage gap though.

You guys do awesome – very efficient, merciless, and skilled on the battlefield, very classy in the forums. I remember the Best Server of 2012 thread and TC getting so many mentions as fav opponent. So lucky I’ve gotten to see why that was firsthand.

DivineBeing.2086:

Guys the system will balance itself out again and the fights will be equal once more.

I am sure BG will rise to tier 1. I am truly psyched about it because we are getting guilds to fill our coverage gaps to really compete with JQ.

Will we at BG miss TC and Kaineng? Sure, but this isn’t good bye but merely see you later. As I am sure we will see you guys eventually down the road.

I really hope that you guys are happy for us and will cheer us on in tier 1 to bring down the tyrant JQ (not meaning to offend you JQ, take it as a compliment).

I welcome the new guild transfers with open arms! <3

Hope you didn’t misunderstand – I would absolutely cheer for BG in T1 and would wish you the best! However, this week had been the best time I’ve had in wuvwuv, not looking for this matchup to end anytime soon. :-)

Minoru.1237:

BG, I think you may be headed back to T1 whether you want to go up or not. According to the overly dramatic and dire T1 thread the SoS guilds “FoE and AGG are both in the process of moving to Blackgate.”

Quick, BG! Deny their visa applications!!! Lock them in a room with Seagal! Something!!!

xD

Esoteric.5490:

Dhampyr.2104:

I wonder if T2 can secede from the Union…

Tier 2 Confederacy forever!

Now, we just need a flag…. And maybe a theme song/anthem!

I wonder if T2 can secede from the Union…

Foss.4830:

nekos.2584:

I hope both BG and Kaineng some how some way end up in T1 next week. BG belongs in T1 and Kaining would most likely roflstomp both SoR and SoS.

It’s getting boring in T1, we/ JQ need some competition !

I wanna stay here forever o;

This. I like cookies.

Seige.4862:

The fail in this thread is amazing. Quite disappointed in any mesmer who is defending confusion. Our class is amazing at so many other builds. Why defend something so blatantly unbalanced?
/sigh
The general population of MMO’s have continued to disappoint me since DAOC. Frankly I blame WoW, lack of education, and parents not beating their children.

And I’m sure you play confusion mesmer in sPvP, right? Oh, you don’t? What, confusion is worthless in sPvP? Why is that, I wonder?

The great thing about GW2 is exactly what you bring up here – multiple viable builds. Then, you proceed to argue against exactly that and express a desire to limit builds. Apparently, confusion isn’t just in the game at this point – you’re confused yourself.

Mogar.9216:

just like to say having a blast in this match up. Lots of great 1 v 1 2 v 2 and 3 v 3 fights. A shout out to all the roamers out there.

+1

Love to roam myself, really nice to find a ton of similar minded folks. Yak slapping and camp flipping has been a blast. It’s great cos you can finds anything you want in this matchup – zergs, siege, roamers, you name it.

Best matchup ever.

JudgeD.5673:

Nirvii needs more cookies then, cause HB ran me down more than once. Wonder what Kaineng is called….

While this thread seems to be safe asking that, I’d hate to hear the input from our angry groupies from previous matchups… xD

This is our first week facing BG, and their organization, class, and skill is phenomenal. Been an honor to fight you guys – as much as you deserve your T1 spot, hope you don’t head up too quickly. You guys are a blast!

Hope you get the folks you’re looking for.

Kerithlan.1659:

No personal experience with T1 here, but [HB] are by and far one of the best guilds on the field today. Blackgate’s lucky to have them.

Got to see [HB] up close and personal today. You guys are scary good, gives me something to aspire to. Impressive!

Fourth.5603:

earendil.1290:

I strongly advise BG against feeling too comfortable with a Sunday/Monday night lead against a server where WM lives. They should remember what happened last time this occurred, when BG was fresh into T1.

Some of the new Kaineng troops (like CO, TL or Ph) can tell the story.

IMO – if the WM main force was not on this weekend, I can only congratulate the rest of Kaineng for their great performance. If WM does come back – things will change. If they decide to take a break or maybe leave GW2 alltogether (like they did with GW1 once) the match will be balanced.

You pretty much just stated that the only way for Kain to win is if one guild pulls through, thats pretty sad.

Congratulations on being a one guild wonder of a server

Win? Really? We’re in T2, fighting against some of the best competition the NA servers have to offer (no knocks to the T1 servers, of course), and we’re holding our own. The fact that we’re giving BG and TC some good, fun fights is plenty reason to be proud. IMO, losing to servers like BG and TC isn’t anything to be embarrassed about. Plus, I really don’t think either TC or BG would say that we’re pushovers, either. It’s fun all around.

And just to show how much I appreciate your criticism, enjoy this photo of a quaggen eating a pancake.

Dr Acula.3496:

Oozo.7856:

Dr Acula.3496:

Try not to sound quite so bitter, and having condi removal on CD is part of the game… just like having abilities that provide confusion on CD….

That whole post essentially looks like this, “I died to confusion, and rather than learn to work around the fact that confusion exists in the game and will be applied to me at one point or another, it should be nerfed.”

Also, confusion builds aren’t new, D/D Ele’s aren’t new, and Thieves and the things they do aren’t new to this game. So why aren’t we seeing these groups running around everywhere composed of what I am deciding to call, “The Three Amigos” right now?

Hrm, actually a lot of gank groups and dueling heros use mesmers, elementalists, and thieves as their primary composition. More balanced groups also carry the other classes (and generally do better in greater than 5v5 fights).

Interesting to note that there really aren’t that many “gank group” compositions in our matchup. None from IoJ and a just a few from EB that we steamroll. I doubt DR has any as well.

Funny how we also steam rolled you a few times…. Go ahead and get off that high horse….

Then by the logic of this thread, your guild must be nerfed!!

Smitten.3076:

It’s easy , either Anet nerfs it or Confusion bombers become as prevalent as D/D Ele’s, imagine that for awhile … the only viable small man teams consisting of : D/D Ele’s, Thieves, Confusion Bombers and the token tank. How wonderfully diverse the playing field is. ( obvious generalization is obvious )

P.S : Confusion bomb builds are cheese.

Cut the rest of your post because it’s already been addressed ad nauseum.

Confusion builds becoming fotm? Is that what you’re talking about? That’s funny – confusion as it stands now has been around for quite some time, just that the OP felt like he got unjustly owned by it recently. If we were in danger of nothing but confusion mesmers, don’t you think it would have happened already?

It’s not like confusion was buffed recently or anything. Also, if you scroll up a few posts, you’ll see a JQ Havoc Squad guy explain exactly why they DON’T take confusion mesmers.

Smitten.3076:

Dhampyr.2104:

Smitten.3076:

It’s like everything else that’s out of whack with this, and every game with pvp ( ever ) ; there are the logical few who understand when somethings to strong. ( Even on their own class ) I’m not sure why anyone feels a condition which limits actions taken , should hit for 3-5k compared to every other condition out there. It’s already a dual purpose condition in that if forces a cleanse or inaction otherwise : Damage ( and lots of it when built). Compared to every other condition out there? Seems pretty cut and dry to me, and heck I have access to the cheese confusion spec.

Every other condition’s ticks are guaranteed to happen unless cleansed. ONLY with confusion does a target have more options. Condition removal down? Just quit spamming buttons and take zero dmg. Give me another burn so I can kill good players as well as the bad ones (something that is hard to do with confusion), and I’ll gladly quit arguing.

If you think taking no action is an “option” in a WvW fight, then there’s really no point in me discussing anything with you.

You’re right. There’s no point, you don’t get it. A stun forces you to take no action. So does a fear. A knockback takes control of your toon away. With confusion, you have options. You can still do things, you just have to choose. So it’s not even as strong as a stun.

And, to say it again, 3-5k ticks are NOT the norm, even when specced/geared for it.

Smitten.3076:

It’s like everything else that’s out of whack with this, and every game with pvp ( ever ) ; there are the logical few who understand when somethings to strong. ( Even on their own class ) I’m not sure why anyone feels a condition which limits actions taken , should hit for 3-5k compared to every other condition out there. It’s already a dual purpose condition in that if forces a cleanse or inaction otherwise : Damage ( and lots of it when built). Compared to every other condition out there? Seems pretty cut and dry to me, and heck I have access to the cheese confusion spec.

Every other condition’s ticks are guaranteed to happen unless cleansed. ONLY with confusion does a target have more options. Condition removal down? Just quit spamming buttons and take zero dmg. Give me another burn so I can kill good players as well as the bad ones (something that is hard to do with confusion), and I’ll gladly quit arguing.

ykyk.2740:

You other servers are meanies, taking all our stuff like that. Can you bear to see FA take our place? Ask yourselves that the next time you demolish a red keep!

I want my cookies. You guys gotta stay!!!

SteepledHat.1345:

Welp, I read the whole thread and my opinion hasn’t changed. Learn to look at your condition bar and cleanse confusion.

Or, just wait the three seconds for it to drop. AFAIK it’s the only damaging condition in the game that has the potential to do zero damage after a successful cast.

Owait… Zero damage???! Buff confusion!

Miiaah.5416:

Trying to keep these workers motivated in EBG, doesn’t seem to speed them up

Brown chicken brown cowwwwwww…

Keep “motivating” them, the distraction ahem motivation seems to be a good thing.

xD

LEAVE MY YAKS ALONE!

Had some fun yak slapping / yak walking battles from Astral on TCBL – I think that’s the first time I ever ended up in multiple server three-ways over a dang yak. xD

Seriously, I don’t think any more than 10% of all yaks on the map make it to their destination. It’s like we all know supply is important or something. LOL

Genocide.4506:

Score Update….

Grats on taking the lead back, BG. Good go this morning. :-)

Miiaah.5416:

Veritas.4792:

Very fun fights against Kaineng so far looking very even right now between us, can’t wait to see how the weekdays go!

I have to agree, I think TC stepped up their game a little this week as well with another T1 type quality server (Kain) in the game, unfortunately these 3 servers have the same issue we do when we get into T1, lapses in coverage

After seeing T2, I’m quite happy staying here for awhile. This tier rocks.

I’ve gotta hand it to TC and BG both – not only are you guys crazy skilled on the battlefield, but your handling of forum trolls is nothing short of spectacular.

Oozo.7856:

I guess they figure people who play mesmers in WvW suck and need the help?

I just wish ANet believed that and would quit swinging the nerfbat. I’m completely comfortable with folks thinking I suck cos I play a mesmer. Would make the QQ whiners quit as well. Good call!

Oozo.7856:

So, when condition removals are down you have two choices in a small group fight.

1. Do nothing and die to the people damaging you.
2. Do something and die to confusion.

Do you think taking over 3K damage per action from confusion is balanced?

First off, 3k confusion ticks, while possible, are NOT the norm. In my condition build and gear, I can get 2.8k ticks off 8 stacks that last 5seconds on a 30 second CD. I’m pretty sure that there are tons of abilities that hit on your guardian for around that much. Just watched your bag looting vid, your hammer 2 ability is hitting for 2.9k with what, a 5sec CD? Oh, and the target CAN’T control that. No, I’m not saying that guardians should be nerfed.

Yes, it’s balanced. And if you’re in the position like you outline above, you’re likely going to die anyway.

Edit: Awesome vid, btw. Even while arguing with you, I lol’ed. xD

Oozo.7856:

Total BS. It’s not like you always have a condition removal available and the conditions can be reapplied faster than your condition removals come back up so you will often be in situations where you have heavy confusion stacks on you with no removal.

Don’t even pretend like that is not true. And, doing nothing is not always a viable option if the fight is not a 1v1. The one guys says… “just don’t attack” without recognizing that anything you do causes damage. One guy putting confusion on you while another is attacking you completely shuts you down when your condition removal is gone since you can not take offensive or defensive moves. And insisting that everyone run around with condition removal heavy builds just to counter this is stupid.

Go ahead and call me “bad” as part of your argument all you want, I’ll just call you people protecting the crutch that you are leaning on in return.

Of COURSE conditions can be reapplied faster than condition removals happen – otherwise, how would condition classes EVER do any damage at all? Ridiculous to assume that you should always be able to remove every condition.

Like I said originally, you can say the exact same things for stuns… fears… knockbacks… anything that is a control ability. Oh, except that for confusion, the TARGET controls the ability, not the caster. Personally, I’d love it if I could control whether a stun or knockback that you cast actually did anything to me.

Yes, I stand by my “a player is likely bad if confusion is killing them” position. YOU control it and whether it does anything at all.

This entire thread is full of “I don’t like that I have to modify my playstyle because of this… NERF IT.”

Tajz.9826:

Kain, you guys really have loads of people, definitely Tier1’s coverage. I cant even used any skill at all inside the SM lord room during a WM zergy moment. In tier1 there wasnt this much skill lag but here with Kain the skill lag is insane.

But good fight with WM today in EBG. Thais definitely enjoy the challenge you brought with. I also got load of good video shots Video coming soon hehe.

Not saying that we don’t have good coverage – but I think there’s a larger EB issue that’s making it worse. Seeing quite a few posts regarding skill lag and whatnot in there – there’s one on the WvW forums about a “7 second instant cast” or something like that.

Something is probably broken in there, which is adding to the lag as well.

To the OP (and supporters of a confusion nerf) – I would have no problem with this if ANet would give us another burn or reliable condition that YOU can’t control. Confusion is totally dependent on how bad the person you’re facing is. I’d much rather have predictable damage, tbh. I never, ever, have an issue with confusion applied to me.

Although… it is funny watching the bads melt. xD

When in a 2v1, down 1, wait for the rez, and burst the other – it’s free damage. Plus, the downed guy doesn’t come back full health either. Definitely winnable.

I don’t quite get the point of the OP – everyone has downed state, and everyone takes advantage of it. It’s fair, it adds tension, and gives a tactical choice – do I stomp, or do I hit the next target?

I think it’s just fine as is.

CHIPS.6018:

General.7803:

WM have 3 Elite CMD.
but all 3 CMD can’t play GW2 for 3 days.
(i was suspended today, and other 2cmd are work, holiday)
ok. i will rest for 1 week.
WM sub-cmd still will do best for Kaineng, but will be very hardly fight.
Goodbye Kaineng for 1 week.

Suspended again? T_T

Who are the top 3 commanders in BG? I don’t even know who they are but I am sure they must be botting too.

Hope to see you again soon.

Fully realize this is a joke, but not funny to post this stuff even in jest. :-)

Tempest.5094:

No oceanic hordes on BG but we have some hardcore insomniac’s. I started out on Kaineng and I dont remember us being that good. Great time last night!

We’ve learned quite a bit as we went through each tier – although the scorecard showed blowouts, every tier had some great clashes (from my perspective anyway), and every server had something to teach us, from ET and FC in T8 all the way to DB last week.

Glad that we can be here in T2 and not be an embarrassment to you guys. Looking forward to more great battles this week!

Xinthai.6175:

We only really have one or two active guilds (that are mostly casual afaik) during Oceanic. That’s our weak point. Once SEA gets on we go back to full force.

Ah, thanks for clarification. I had the impression (from other threads) you guys had hordes of hardcore folks at all times of the day.

Appreciate it!

Thrumdi.9216:

Also, not attacking or using skills is against the “action combat” that Anet is rightfully proud of. Even support classes have to be offensive.

“Action combat” =\= “faceroll buttonspam” tho.

You still have to manage your skills, CDs, etc. By your logic, all control abilities should be removed. Don’t think that’s what’s intended at all.

Everything I heard mentioned BG having pretty good 24/7 coverage – is that not true? I know the numbers are a bit skewed this week due to the lunar New Year, but later in the week that should balance out some.

Great week so far, here’s to hoping that internal Kaineng drama doesn’t skew our awesome matchup thread and the fantastic atmosphere TC and BG have shared with us.

Nerf stuns. They prevent me from mindlessly spamming skills too. Oh, and fears. Those too. Oh, and knockbacks! Gotta get rid of knockbacks.

Confusion is a control tool – works amazing when faced with a player who can’t figure out not to buttonspam, not so well on a decent player who recognizes what’s going on. Situational awareness is your friend – you’ll do much better if you pay attention. Sorry that faceroll play isn’t working out for you.

Kiexcolo.2416:

Looks like we finally found our home in Tier 2 among the most civilized servers. Good place to stay.

I sure hope so. Good fights, good sports, great fun. I like it here, fingers crossed we end up here for a bit.

Jayne.9251:

Dear Kaineng,

It appears you have a security leak. We’ve discovered your Commander Flava Flav’s weakness and have him locked in a room divulging your secrets in exchange for some tasty fried chicken. We will send him back to you, but you should really latch the gate to prevent him wandering off in search of .. uh .. munchies …

Love,

TC

Alas, after we staged a daring rescue using the breakout event, we found that your muse had already been defeated by the irresistible charms of our King….

Best matchup ever. Even when I’m getting ganked by like 15 BG guys while running to Astral solo on TCBL, I’m having a great time. Was pretty impressed that the 15 BG guys let one of their guys try to solo me and didn’t jump me as a group until he was down – you guys have class.

(and just in case tone is missed here, no sarcasm whatsoever intended – definite class acts) :-)

Usagi.4835:

Score update at 0159AM GMT/2059PM EST/1759PM PST with map… and something else I found…

Dude!!! The official “scoreboard babe”, as found on Google! I have brushed greatness this day!!!!

Sunspots.9861:

Wow, that attitude would never fly on the Coast! Those “pugs” are the heart and soul of our defense, and offense.

I must have missed something. Sorry if there’s some sort of misunderstanding – wasn’t referring to pugs at all, just our weak reset night performance. xD

Oh, offtopic – you have the best. Sig line. Everrrrrrr. Paris Hilton is cheering you on, I’m sure. Make ’er proud! LOL

Kerithlan.1659:

Allow me to break the ice with score updates. Unfortunately my computer, being 10 years old, does not render characters nicely.

This is clearly a 2v1 situation against Kaineng, and it is obviously the result of “keeping the man down”. Just look at that ppt. It’s so tiny!

Edit: because I just realized it’s hard to detect when posts like this are serious or not, I’m being facetious. Reset scores are hilariously small imho.

xD

One of the painful lessons we’ve learned is that our reset nights rarely go as well as we’d like – well, they haven’t in the past few weeks anyway. Heck, I’m happy to see +165 against such competitive opponents. ;-)

Lightsbane.9012:

Dhampyr.2104:

Kioso.4819:

I admire the skill of Kaineng being able to beat servers that have a lot less wvw population. Good luck in T2 Kaineng, I have a feeling you’ll need it.

Thanks! By the tone of the T2 thread already, I’m thinking we’ll have fun there, win or lose. Digging it so far!

sorry kid, not even your zergfest of ‘skill’ has what it takes to beat other massive zergfests. ever reset kain has moved up. take into consideration why. and don’t be condescending like you were in the reply i’m replying to.

Actually, no condescension at all, bud. I’m very much looking forward to T2 and leaving all of this anger and negativity behind. T2 is going to be a great time.

Also, notice I didn’t say anything about skill in my post. I don’t think it’s me that’s stuck on that issue. Thanks for the battles this week tho – even if the forums were disappointing, the fights were alot of fun. Cheers!

Ninein.4782:

I can summarize the negativity directed towards KN:

1) Dimissal of reset night result and using score days later as justification for chest thumping.

I think we can reword that to show we were all guilty of silliness -

1) Dimissal of score days later and using reset night result as justification for chest thumping.

Bottom line, all three servers were guilty of being poo-flinging monkeys this week at one point or another. Thankfully, the week is over and we can all move on. :-)

Inprognito.9487:

Usagi.4835:

Question, question, question for Kaineng! What’s it like… you know… down there in Tier 8?

For the 1 week I was there… very boring.

Ah, then you obviously missed out on the months of fun we had with Devona’s and Fergs Crossing. Great times, great fights, even while being crushed week in and week out. Maybe T2 will bring that feeling back! ^.^

Kioso.4819:

I admire the skill of Kaineng being able to beat servers that have a lot less wvw population. Good luck in T2 Kaineng, I have a feeling you’ll need it.

Thanks! By the tone of the T2 thread already, I’m thinking we’ll have fun there, win or lose. Digging it so far!

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

I vote John Stamos or Flava Flav.

My vote is Flavor Flav – he has a kid named Karma. How much more GW2 can you get???!

DivineBeing.2086:

Muahahahahhhaahaha! And so it begins….

Beware what lies behind the gate….

Good to see you again, dude! Hopefully we’ve improved some from when I was running with you at Bay awhile back – gonna be weird seeing your name in red. xD

Been looking forward to the TC matchup for awhile as well – heard nothing but great things about TC, and we’re honored to be in such prestigious company in this tier.

kfarb.6732:

Isn’t this a little early?

Didn’t realize this week’s outcome was in doubt… xD