Guild Wars 2

phaneo.4597:

Dhampyr.2104:

Edit – that siege cap bug is just plain dumb. Golem Wars 2.

It’s better than AC wars 2. Atleast players have to man those golems and clash each other face to face rather than AC to AC.

“Guys who has got Sup AC blueprints?”
“Cmon X server get out of your AC range and fight!”
“Bring em into our AC range guys”
“OMG AC’s are OP!”
“AC’s made me quit this tier (and go to a top tier)”.
“OMG X server you haxors haxored using AC’s to kill my dandruff!”
“AC’s abducted my husband!” or was it aliens or aliens using AC’s?

LOL after reading my post, I edited my edit and took that statement out – had some really good open field fights tonight. Flipping stuff was pretty hard without being able to toss down a ram or catas, though.

RE, you guys will be of great help no matter where you end up – I had a great time in your guild when I was on KN. I’m sure that if you choose DB (as some KN transfers have done), you won’t follow in the footsteps of other transfer guilds and talk a bunch of smack. You guys are too classy for that. :-)

Good luck in finding a good home!!

Great fights on DBBL earlier tonight, and then on TCBL later. Really enjoyed bumping heads (very briefly) with FA folks we were specifically looking for by NE tower on TCBL!

Oh, and FA’s response to Hills on TCBL just a few minutes ago was great. Awesome job holding it.

BlackLotus.8349:

I’m so sad I’ve been missing this week’s match so far… been busy moving all weekend

Boo. It’s been fun in game so far, sorry you’ve been missing out!

Evalana.5480:

This thread makes me sad…. why so much BT hate? We’re not even here anymore and you guys are STILLBTBTBTBTBTBT. Move on….

I don’t recall where the BT bashing came from and don’t feel like searching. It’s a shame though – BT is fun to fight. They win, they lose, just like every other guild out there. Maybe we’ll get paired with BG next week!

Only reason I even got involved with that discussion was when the empty TC bashing started.

Congrats on finally getting in to BG, Eva. G’luck to you folks, give ’em hell!

etrigan.4213:

Dhampyr.2104:

etrigan.4213:

Just my experience when running with BT.

But yah you guys on TC run from open field and/or are terrible.

Plenty of hours in WvW, thanks though!

I don’t recall ever seeing the guild tag [ACE] anywhere – do you run with a different tag? Just want to know when I see your guild group and we bump heads on a map. It’ll be fun making you change your opinion. ;-)

Lol ok. We’ll be waiting.

edit: 10-15 of us every night NA EST primetime.

We are a havoc squad…come find us. A zerg of yours found us last night…can’t be that hard. lol

We run about the same, although raid nights have a higher showing. I’m sure we’ll eventually run into each other – will be fun.

etrigan.4213:

Just my experience when running with BT.

But yah you guys on TC run from open field and/or are terrible.

Plenty of hours in WvW, thanks though!

I don’t recall ever seeing the guild tag [ACE] anywhere – do you run with a different tag? Just want to know when I see your guild group and we bump heads on a map. It’ll be fun making you change your opinion. ;-)

kylia.4813:

Dhampyr.2104:

Good lord, building that WP in TCBL Hills was a nightmare tonight. Kudos to the mostly FA folks screwing with us there – your small group stuff is pretty tight, with us pretty much trading fights in the small groups. That fight with AVTR in Water Camp was amazing as well, lasted for-freaking-everrrrrrrr.

Aye that was an epic ‘little’ fight

Haha definitely! Saw you there tagged up – tossed a target on you, saw your health really low, not sure if we got you though. That fight was straight chaos! LOL

Great fun, really enjoyed bumping into you guys last night.

The utter lack of understanding of WvW in the QQ of this thread is amazing, and I’ll leave it at that.

Don’t like WvW? Go do some PvE stuff and have some fun. It’ll save us from having to see the QQ in map chat. You’re happy and having fun, we’re happy and having fun. Win all the way around.

Edit – congrats on almost ninja’ing DB’s garrison, elite. Wish I could have seen it. xD

Gellor.6497:

Gturtle.2864:

Tacking on as well:

Everybody that claims a 2v1 is occurring is forgetting one very important fact: Your server is not good enough to overcome an actual legitimate 2v1. You would need to replicate Kaineng’s post-bandwagon population dominance in Tiers 8-5 or so in order to overcome this much alleged 2v1 collusion and frankly the WvW servers cannot support one server fielding that amount of people.

Additionally every claim of a 2v1 speaks poorly of that individual’s understanding of how this WvW thing works. If two forces are engaging each other (trying to take a keep or something) you have a window to go and take an objective nearly unopposed. No matter which objective you go and take the owner of that objective is able to perceive what occurred as a 2v1.

Plus TC and FA hate each other. No way our guilds would bury the past ~3 months of contests and forum posts (or the ~2 months of contests late last year) just because DB won some matches.

No server in this Tier could withstand an actual 2v1 not just Dragonbrand

Bolded for emphasis. I don’t think he’s just talking about DB – the DB posters QQ’ing about it are just the most recent.

Elano.2014:

Seriously, please come out. Our SEA guilds need kills and bags and badges as well.

They were probably roleplaying that they were from DB.

Gellor.6497:

Yo TC can you tell whoever this is, this is an exploit?

I don’t recognize the guild tag or the player. IMHO, report ’em and move on.

Good lord, building that WP in TCBL Hills was a nightmare tonight. Kudos to the mostly FA folks screwing with us there – your small group stuff is pretty tight, with us pretty much trading fights in the small groups. That fight with AVTR in Water Camp was amazing as well, lasted for-freaking-everrrrrrrr.

Slomoshun.6317:

@ TC & FA in DBL, I wrote a little song for you!

The Tag Teams back again
check and direct and let’s begin
Party on party people let me hear some noise
DB’s in the house jump jump rejoice

That’s like a Jewel song – the melody is probably awesome, but the lyrics are a bit silly.

xDudisx.5914:

looks like FA and TC like to work together agaist DB. No its not because we are in first place, it happens even when we are in second or third. of course its not the entire server but I wonder if some guilds from FA and TC are using the same ts to plan atks in DB.
When TC get SM FA almost never atk them, even knowing that is hard for them defend their land and SM. when DB has SM FA and TC will atk SM and our 1/3 of the map

Nah, it’s just easier to take your stuff.

Bonedoctor.2796:

Competitive ?
All I see is a cowardly Tc and FA double teaming us since day one ! Neither of these servers has a lick of honor . As I type this , TC has there 75 + man zerg hitting one side of our keep ,and FA has there 75 + man zerg hitting other side ! Not bothering to attack one another . We have 35 people maybe holding atm and you STILL cant take it . If you had even a lick of digninty ,you might have the skill to get it from us . But as it stands ,its blatantly obvious why you insist on this alliance amongst yourselves . Your players skill base is laughable . And now we ALL know why ! Keep grinding Db ,these clowns aren’t worth the slightest bit of our respect .

Double NARF!

You forgot to mention the part about spying on your maps and in your voice chats. Oh, and you also forgot to mention how both servers hack you guys all the time. Figured if you’re going to troll, might as well run the full monty! xD

Shadow Gathering.5649:

Proud of FA for its performance against two “Full” servers. Keep up the good work!

This. Even with BT and VK gone, you guys are doing a great job!

Awesome fights at Umber/Durios/SM tonight, DB (along with a few FA folks as well). Took us forever to rebuild the walls/gate/etc at Durios – so many courtyard/lord defenses, wasn’t funny! LOL

Saw quite a few CO, NNK, etc – thanks for the great night!

This double team idea is fun to read about… Bottom line, DB was focused because of weakness. It doesn’t take any sort of crazy conspiracy theory about the servers cooperating – both FA and TC are fully capable of smelling the blood in the water and… CHOMP.

It’s a 1v1v1 setup. EVERY server on EVERY tier deals with two opponents.

DrixTrix.7168:

What the post was about Dhampyr is not your nearest target as in enemy that is not the problem, the problem (well inconvenience) is the fact they attack Ambient creatures too, like rabbit, rats, firefly’s etc things which would never normally be in a fight now sometimes a fight passes over these ambient creatures and when it does or when someone blinks / jumps back or forward etc if we dodge roll the clone has a high chance to attack the Ambient creature.

no adapting needs to be done we all all ready know how Deceptive evasion works it has always done this however doesn’t make it any less annoying.

as for attacking the player you want yeh well…position is key and i enjoy that.

Sorry, was responding to the post that I quoted rather than the original topic. Der me. Agree totally that the targeting of ambient creatures is silly and shouldn’t occur.

Jirafe.1305:

I have never had issues with this, and I have played 2,100+ pvp games on mes. The only time this happens is when I lose a target (it dies or goes invis) which in that case it auto targets and my clone attacks the target that auto target chose.. Maybe it would help if you actually clicked the thing you wanted to attack rather than thinking your clones will read your mind

The lack of understanding with how Deceptive Evasion works in this post is staggering.

That being said, modifying your playstyle can help. The clones spawned by DE will always attack the closest adversary. Just make sure the one you want to attack is the closest, i.e. run toward then dodge roll back.

I realize this doesn’t solve the problem, but it mitigates it considerably. I’m pretty sure this is “working as intended” and we’re not going to see it change – not that I’m advocating for that at all. Would much rather be able to easily control what my dodge roll clones attack. I just don’t think it’s ever going to change – so we need to adapt to it.

Mayoken.9851:

So I hear TC offered BT 30k gold. Which is a rediculous amount but I guess TC can farm that sort of money. Is there an official announcement on which server BT has chosen?

DB’s NA needs you more than TC’s
Isn’t TC still full? (was when I left 2 weeks ago).

It’s almost $10,000.

LOL sorry, had to go there. Doesn’t sound like an official TC offer or the way I’ve seen TC do business, so I doubt the truthfulness of that rumor quite a bit. I’ve been here for a few months now, and all I’ve ever seen is TC offering to help transferring WvW guilds farm for gold.

Edit – and I’d agree that DB’s NA needs the help much more than TC does. TC could use some SEA. How about BT goes to DB and NNK comes to TC?

Haha I jest, I jest!

Evalana.5480:

Dramatic snip

You’ll be missed on the forums, and BT will be missed on the battlefield. Come back and visit our matchup thread often!

Talmor.9048:

Save ME!!! I would rather be out in the open field by myself. TC and FA on both sides armed with 10 Arrow Carts on each side. Firing on my position as 40+ zergs on me from both servers and stop to do a communal dance on my corpse. Both sides ignoring each other in what can only be described as collusion.

What am I doing right now? I am running sound for a Middle School Talent Show!!! ARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!

LOL

Eviator.9746:

Arkanfel.8403:

I don’t really see what the problem is, honestly. All that’s been said is that we need to buckle down and get on the same page. These things are being discussed in more detail behind closed doors, but I don’t see anything wrong with expressing a little self-awareness here. I know it’s important to keep morale up, but not everyone reads the server forums, and I think they deserve to know that people are aware of the problem and are trying to fix it. Painting too rosy a picture (“we’re doing just great guys!! keep it up!!”) can have its consequences too, and some of them were manifest on Kaineng.

I don’t think there is a problem. The only people who mentioned potential drama on DB are TC folks. Drama is “not the DB way”. I value CO’s input on the matter, and anything they can do to keep us competitive in T2, I’m open to listening to.

As one of the TC people who pointed out that internal DB issues should be in the private DB forums, I’m glad to hear that drama doesn’t manifest itself on DB. Bring on the fights! :-)

Jayne.9251:

I understand you CO guys are trying to help/rally DB, but wouldn’t strategic conversations about what should and shouldn’t be done be better kept on DB’s private forums? Posting it here likely will alienate a larger portion of the population that’s out there trying their best.

This. While the conversation probably needs to happen, when a new transfer guild starts giving constructive criticism, it can come across as “I know you guys have been here for a long time, but you’re doing it all wrong.” Probably best to keep those discussions off the official forums.

Sorry, not trying to criticize, I just really like the fight that DB brings. Wouldn’t want drama to interfere with your ability to bring the pain. ;-)

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

Could you at least have installed a bell in our coffin so I could ring my way out? Rude.

Got a spot saved for you in KH, dude. Want me to get a few shovels and come dig you out? xD

Eviator.9746:

Arkanfel.8403:

DB really needs to pace itself. This “work hard for 2-3 days then coast” crap just isn’t going to cut it; SEA will burn out very quickly if they have to carry the PPT burden. If DB can’t consistently tick 300 or close during NA prime, she will have some serious problems against both of these servers. It is my understanding that our entire WvW crew hasn’t materialized yet, but I hope it does soon.

Well it’s always been that way for DB. SEA does most of the PPT work, and we do our best during the rest of the day to hold what we can. Maybe the influx of guilds (RE, rB, FIRE, Agg, CO, etc.) was supposed to alleviate that, but I’m not sure whether it’s enough in T2.

DB definitely belongs in T2 – your transfers may not have made it so you can consistently win the matchup, but you can win. The tier is very competitive now, and short of FA’s coverage gaps, all three servers are very close.

The competition is really making WvW fun for me right now, and I sure hope things don’t get gooned up with this upcoming change to WvW.

Eviator.9746:

It’s a sad state that DBBL is queued for DB, but our zergs cannot coordinate at all. We outnumbered the TC zerg ball outside garrison a fair amount, and we got to watch them fend us off as a well coordinated group. Meanwhile most DB folks were running around like chickens with their heads cut off. We didn’t stack, and when the commander pushed 80% of DB hung back and watched them get slaughtered. Frustrating! We aren’t getting beat by the enemy, we are beating ourselves!

I think this probably nails it on the head for DB last night on their BL – TC really wasn’t coordinated that well in DBBL Garri either, but with the DB folks trickling in through the west hole in Garri’s wall, we were just picking them off as they ran through solo.

Jski.6180:

Well it looks like FA is done for this week and more then like T2.

Um, what?

FA may be done on the scoreboard, but that’s more due to coverage gaps than to attitude IMO. Been in WvW all week, and when FA is there, they’re THERE. I consistently see the PPT swing heavily in their favor when they’re actually on the field.

And as for them being “done” in T2… barring the May 28 ranking shakeup and how that pans out, they’re far from done in T2. They’re currently more than 100 Glicko points ahead of Mags, and that lead is increasing.

FA isn’t going anywhere, and I’m glad they’re not.

hardloop von edgehoven.8512:

the question itself is a bit blurry, as u have to negate evrything else like combat situations, enemy behaviour, debuffs and armor asf.

This. This is an endlessly debatable topic. Focus may dish out the most DPS, but to an opponent or mob that runs out of range… it’s worthless and does no damage whatsoever. Also saw a statement that the GS is bad because the phantasm is rubbish, which isn’t true either IMHO. AOE damage at 1200 range that spawns a shatter-able phantasm in melee range of an opponent AND also does an AOE cripple? That’s a WvW mesmer’s dream come true, damage bug or no damage bug. Scepter is terribad, but I still see folks (aka Flimpy) use it to devastating effect.

Bottom line IMO, the strongest weapon is the one that you’re comfortable using and fits the situation best (although I’m relatively sure that answer isn’t what the OP was looking for lol).

serialkicker.5274:

I’d like to see mantra that would give swiftness for like 10-15 sec when activated.
Right now there we either have to wield focus or have centaur runes, both of which requires us to change our playstyle…

You could replace it with mantra of pain which is utterly useless.

Esplen.3940:

Mantra of Pain… useless? It’s spammable and can be chained with autos.

I, too, think that “useless” is definitely too strong a word. A huge part of most mantra builds is the ability to spam MoP and put out AOE heals every few seconds. On top of that, with three charges, three illusions shattering, and autoattack, that’s quite a bit of burst with Power/Prec/CritDmg gear. Works pretty well in WvW, and the survivability of the build (in large part due to MoP) is fantastic, even in glass cannon gear.

I understand that there are much better choices for that utility slot if you’re not running a mantra build (which I’m assuming you must not be), but it’d be nice if we wouldn’t petition to replace an ability that is pivotal to a build.

wads.5730:

Nordic Natedog.4360:

I think it all comes done to weapon specks really. If you are getting good procs and running a condition build, I think the staff would have the highest dps but it has no burst. GS and sword are pretty much pure burst weapons. If you hit with all attacks, I believe the warden is far and away the strongest attack in the game. Just running a partial phantasm hybrid setup, iwarden will hit a gate for 200-420 (scaling up with each hit). Using an average of 310, that’s 3720 damage to a gate!

thats not how damage tooltips work.

That’s not a very helpful comment.

Elaboration would be awesome.

ghtchill.7613:

Hello TC! Okay, now some of you need to log off once in a while. Silke and I are trying to get in! Stop being full Some of you need to get jobs already I demand you open a window to let Chill and Silke in! We don’t need Gems, we has those. We need a window….just a little one. We’re skinny…promise.

Rescue us from the oppression! Come on now you can do it…send me a PM when the time is right. We come bearing beers and cookies and good Maguma bacon….they drop it like crazy.

Oh and great match. Go TC and everyone!

Woohoo! I love it when I see great things on the forums! Can’t wait for you guys to get your window and get over here!!!

PaulV.3245:

So THIS is the “good fights” you all transferred for ?

YA.. and I got a unicorn to sell you also.

YA.. and I got a unicorn to sell you also.JUST SAYIN.. speaks for itself…

YA.. and I got a unicorn to sell you also.JUST SAYIN.. speaks for itself…

Um… What?

eithinan.9841:

Dhampyr.2104:

Arkanfel.8403:

For my part (and I think most of my guild agrees) I don’t really think DB is going to Tier 1 with her current coverage formula. Even if she did, it would probably take the better part of a month anyway. TC is a stronger server than a lot of people in DB have faced yet, and I don’t think that was fully realized after our first match in T2. TC makes a great gatekeeper to Tier 1.

This post makes me proud to be on TC – thanks for saying this. Wanted to also point out that FA does a heckuva good job in T2 as well. I wouldn’t say any single server is a T1 gatekeeper; each server in T2 kicks butt. T2’s current matchup is awesome, competitive, and fun, and any time you’re in a tier where any of the three servers can win (and have won!) the week… Well, I think we should all consider ourselves pretty lucky.

I dont think you appreciate how scarred the “old guard” was by TC when you came to t3. FA was bad but you were worse. No disrespect intended to FA.

(random snippage)

Truthfully I think FA and TC are looking a gift horse in the mouth when it comes to the server transfers to DB. The new guilds have made T2 the most competitive and most fun tier in WvW.

Sorry, the point of my post was to be positive about the T2 matchup. It’d be awesome if you wouldn’t quote my post and use it to dredge up old animosity, especially after the pages of yuck we just went through. And I mean no offense by saying this (and no sarcasm intended at all), just would rather keep the thread positive (well, my contribution to it at least lol).

Regarding your second comment, I personally think the transfers are a godsend to DB. Great fights across the board.

Arkanfel.8403:

For my part (and I think most of my guild agrees) I don’t really think DB is going to Tier 1 with her current coverage formula. Even if she did, it would probably take the better part of a month anyway. TC is a stronger server than a lot of people in DB have faced yet, and I don’t think that was fully realized after our first match in T2. TC makes a great gatekeeper to Tier 1.

This post makes me proud to be on TC – thanks for saying this. Wanted to also point out that FA does a heckuva good job in T2 as well. I wouldn’t say any single server is a T1 gatekeeper; each server in T2 kicks butt. T2’s current matchup is awesome, competitive, and fun, and any time you’re in a tier where any of the three servers can win (and have won!) the week… Well, I think we should all consider ourselves pretty lucky.

Fuzzion.2504:

DB needs to buck up or they will fall back to T3.

Thank you for your point of view. It’s always fun reading misguided troll posts. It’d be awesome if you could limit your trolling to the T1 thread though – you can troll here all you want when JQ falls to T2. Deal?

Crossplay.2067:

Everyone will have trouble chasing down opponents without swiftness. Osicat has an inventive solution though. I believe it works by targeting the fleeing enemy, turning your back to them and using Phase Retreat (Staff #2) then turning around and using Blink to close the gap even more. I’ve never used it but the logic behind it is sound.

By the way, Temporal Curtain works both ways. You can place it in front of an enemy to cripple them when they run over it then use it again to pull them towards you.

Just to clarify – the direction that Phase retreat tosses you is always relative to where your targeted enemy is. You will always get tossed away from your target. The direction you face is completely irrelevant (unless you have nothing targeted at all).

Esplen.3940:

Most support builds utilize the staff for another combo field that provides boons to allies. If you want, you can look around, there may be a Fay build that allows use of a GS.

This. Pretty much any of Fay’s mantra builds allow you to run support with just about any weapon setup you like. In particular, the GS + mantra of pain combo allows you decent burst while tossing out some AOE heals.

SykkoB.9465:

jq isn’t falling to t2 anytime soon if ever they r gaining elo right now while db is loosing and with the help of the other 2 t1 servers they r getting a lot of new fresh blood looking at them

Good. As much as I enjoy fighting BG, I have no desire to be in T1, especially with T2 being this competitive and fun.

Additionally, no guarantee that it would be DB moving to T1 anyway. Although it’s too early to tell really, DB might very well find itself Red next week. T2 is definitely anyone’s game. Love this tier.

Mayoken.9851:

Why are people talking about any server from Tier 2 dropping? They all are stable and each are very very strong lol. If JQ ever drops to tier 2 haha we’ll see.

JQ dropping may very well see three T2 servers fighting to lose and stay in T2. LOL

And for the love of all that is holy, can we please stop quoting that ridiculously borked up (albeit very well-written!) post? No need to add three pages of text for a one-line reply. Cheers! xD

Urrid.4593:

edit: I hope hills gets a wp despite the merchants. WTF, merchants? Really? Spy-Kitten right there.

Merchants are important. Helps me empty bags more quickly. Speaking of bag emptying, would like to request DB and FA folks drop more exotics this week so I don’t have to sell vendor trash often. Please? :-)

Man, that score makes me sad I’m not home. Looks to be a nail-biter this week. T2 is still very much anyone’s tier.

Go TC! Finish strong! xD

Asudementio.8526:

Rawnoodles.1398:

Welcome to DB – Omen Gaming Community! [OMEN]

all aboard the bandwagon, choo choo.

Don’t hate. Hopefully they’re an NA prime guild. DB could use more help during that timeframe. More fun fights for everyone.

Welcome to T2!

Hickeroar.9734:

Don’t be too hard on FA. These things go in cycles. You guys had an amazing couple weeks, and you’re probably suffering a bit from burnout.

TC hit that scenario for the last two weeks, and this week we’re building back up to full strength. We’re still not all the way there, compared to the showing we saw ~4-5 weeks ago, but we’re having a great week overall. It’s been very fun, and that’s what matters.

+1. FA has always been about the fights anyway – PPT didn’t matter, long as they stay in T2. And the fights FA has been bringing have been really fun and competitive.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Hickeroar.9734:

I still can’t get over the incredible number of players that DB seems to be able to field at one time. Running large zergs on three maps is making me green with envy!

Actually, it’s making DB Green…
(you can still have the “envy” though )

Bah dum dum. LOL

Awesome night on DBBL tonight. Bay flipped from Red to Blue to Green back to Red in the space of like 15min. Great fights, saw some really good action tonight from both FA and DB. Woo!

Hickeroar.9734:

The wording makes me think they nerfed it by 50% of what they added. They added 80%, then just nerfed that 80% by 50% when siege is concerned, so the net buff is 40% over the original value.

10 + 8 – 4 = 14, is kinda how I imagined it.

Ah, thanks for clarifying. I haven’t seen the original ANet post yet. Cheers!

Hickeroar.9734:

Evalana.5480:

Usagi.4835:

It’s official, I just bought my first trap but I’m so reluctant to use it frivolously.

I heard DB loves getting trapped.

Did they ‘fix’ arrowcarts?

Yup. Range nerfed from 3500 down to 2800. Damage to siege was nerfed to a vague 50% of its current upgrade… So I’m pretty sure that means it still damages siege more than it used to, but not as much as it did after the buff. Damage to players wasn’t nerfed.

I’m happy with this change. It’s what I was hoping for, honestly.

I’m definitely not a math wiz, but I think ACs will do less damage to siege than they did originally. Hypothetical – let’s say that ACs did 10 damage originally. 80% increase bumps it to 18. Half of 18 is 9, less than the original 10. Should help I think.