Guild Wars 2

Jayne.9251:

Congratz to FA turning most of EB blue last night. That was a heck of a push. Wasn’t on EB, but saw the map, lol, was pretty impressive!

Was in EB last night while FA did their run – ouch, was painful. Had a few positives – we were able to ninjas flip a few towers, and we were outmanned for part of it so I didn’t have a repair bill when I ate a spike. Overall, though, it was pretty much an effort of “hold ’em off as long as we can!”

Great job, FA peeps. T2 is still anyone’s game!

Djamonja.6453:

Dhampyr.2104:

Modifying the scoring system is the wrong answer, will create a bias that isn’t meant to be in the game.

Here are two solutions:

1. Get people to fill your coverage gaps. It works – look at Blackgate or SoR in NA T1.

2. Quit sleeping. Sleep is for the weak anyway.

Both solutions are ones that anyone can implement, no ANet involvement required.

Neither of your solutions is practical — the problem is ANet’s to fix. Whether they will do so is another matter, but having matchups decided by Sat/Sun and no servers moving up or down is not good for the longterm health of the WvW game.

I disagree. Both of my solutions are the ultimate in practicality – if you have a problem, fix it yourself. Begging for random solutions to problems (I don’t like it that other people play when I don’t! Boohoo!) that will result in screwing other players over just doesn’t seem like the way to go.

From a personal standpoint, I also disagree with your statement on stability. I like the fact that my tier has a long standing rivalry with at least one of the servers in our tier. Although it tends to make the forums ugly (who really cares about forum posts tho? lol), folks sure are competitive on both sides. Makes for better fights, imo. Also, now, when a server moves up or down a tier, it has the feeling of something epic and a large sense of accomplishment (or loss, if it’s moving down). Just had a new join in our tier (NA T2) two weeks ago, and they are incredibly proud of it (and rightly so). It’s a big deal.

Convince your friends that GW2 is an amazing game. They buy it. Since they’re your friends, they’re probably in your same timezone (hopefully). They play at the same time you do. You’re no longer alone.

Solved! :-)

Middzz.1490:

everyone has good days and bad days its strange how the bad times are conveniently forgotten only the omg we wunderfull remembered.

Wisdom.

Modifying the scoring system is the wrong answer, will create a bias that isn’t meant to be in the game.

Here are two solutions:

1. Get people to fill your coverage gaps. It works – look at Blackgate or SoR in NA T1.

2. Quit sleeping. Sleep is for the weak anyway.

Both solutions are ones that anyone can implement, no ANet involvement required.

Cozzyboy.3094:

Dhampyr.2104:

Rawnoodles.1398:

Took a full que of TC to kill us today on TC BL

Apparently your day crew needs to run at night. Your RE guys were pretty squishy last night the brief time you were in FABL before you bounced maps. ;-)

Due to final lots of na core member especially our usual na commander have been playing from late EU prime to early na prime. We will be back next week when everyone finish.

Awesome news. Looking forward to seeing more of your crew on the battlefield!

Rawnoodles.1398:

Took a full que of TC to kill us today on TC BL

Apparently your day crew needs to run at night. Your RE guys were pretty squishy last night the brief time you were in FABL before you bounced maps. ;-)

Thustlewhumber.7416:

We were on Kaineng a few days in T3 while we were scouting how DB would do in T2, and I think we moved over the following Wednesday. Although we are right back in T2, we are super pleased with the move.

I think most everyone in T2 is happy with your choice – DB wasn’t hurting and was definitely competitive before, but your move helped make NA prime even more so. As a former CO member for a time, glad you guys are back in T2.

Caliburn.1845:

Maniac.5163:

Redscope.6215:

Hickeroar.9734:

I feel a disturbance in the force… O_o

That feeling is the death of yet another bandwagon server. RIP Dragonbandwagon.

Nope.. just the calm before the storm at this point

Dragonbrand has no Oceanic guilds. Not even one. What we do have on occasion are NA guilds that stay up late or SEA guilds that come on extra early.

This means Dragonbrand has some large coverage gaps. Sunday night into early monday morning has historically been the worst one for Dragonbrand. Our NA guilds are going to bed at a reasonable hour to get up for work or school, our SEA guilds are already at work(monday in Taiwan/Malaysia).

IMHO, DB could use a bit more NA coverage as well, seems like. Your coverage gaps aren’t just SEA; NA prime lost most of DB’s stuff last night.

Kaineng was the same way – our overnight crew would work wonders, and then our NA crew would struggle to not lose everything before the Oceanic/SEA folks came back on to save our bacon.

Fuzzion.2504:

Mif.3471:

Insignia.6345:

I propose, only updates with cute asura.

I like this policy!

Tier 2 needs a player like cuddlestrike in T1. Also JQ is getting a small number of incoming DB players. Is DB breaking down?

Don’t think so, alto their reset was a bit slow last night from my perspective. Then again, I was only on EB and FABL – they might have been concentrated elsewhere.

Also, reset nights generally don’t mean much of anything, particularly in T2.

Elano.2014:

FA people should come out and fight instead of staying in towers using ACs. ^^

Sorry you hit up an apparently different batch of FA than the ones I was going up against last night (in EB for a bit, then FABL). Although ACs had somewhat of an impact, the ones bouncing around Bay in their BL wanted to fight.

There were plenty of FA that wanted to fight last night. You were just in the wrong place, I think. ;-)

Hickeroar.9734:

Dhampyr.2104:

Hickeroar.9734:

They’re annoying to be sure. I can almost deal with the damage to troops. It’s the damage to siege that is unconscionable.

+1. Although, nerfing the damage to personnel would be great too. As it stands, the encouragement to turtle and not fight is way too high and has been making the bulk of my forays into WvW not fun and even downright boring.

Though that run with you guys last night was FAR from boring. :-D I’m gonna be keeping an eye on your mumble channel from now on so I can join you in your stealth (non-cmdr) zergs. :P

That is…assuming you guys don’t mind.

Definitely truth there, last night was awesome – credit that just as much to the FA warriors on FABL yesterday. Fantastic fights.

The way I see it, don’t think that anyone would mind you coming along when we run tag-off, long as you don’t bring upleveled, undergeared rally fodder. xD

Hickeroar.9734:

They’re annoying to be sure. I can almost deal with the damage to troops. It’s the damage to siege that is unconscionable.

+1. Although, nerfing the damage to personnel would be great too. As it stands, the encouragement to turtle and not fight is way too high and has been making the bulk of my forays into WvW not fun and even downright boring.

FABL tonight was awesome. When we flipped your garri/hills/bay, we made the decision not to siege it up (to avoid the whole turtling thing and maybe actually get some fights). The FA folks who ended up flip/flip/flipping Bay and Garrison must have had the same idea, because they didn’t siege anything up either. Great open field fights, and the first really good night in WvW I’ve had all week.

Every time you FA folks say you’re all about the fight and not the PPT… I’ll be one of your believers, you proved it tonight. Thanks for the fun night, and for not sieging/turtling/hiding in towers/keeps. You guys rock.

Quick question – with the Blinding Befuddlement nerf (you get a 4sec stack of confusion on blind with a 5 sec CD), does the trait still work well to stack confusion? Seems that it wouldn’t, as the stack of confusion would fall off before the CD for the next stack was up, but I haven’t actually done any testing along those lines. Of course, there’s always the possibility that I’ve completely misunderstood the nerf as well…. xD

Jimmybass.2159:

Thanks for proving my point about being easily offended.

Not offended at all – matter of fact, I found the irony of the timing of your post pretty amusing. xD

Just trying to enlighten.

Edit – oh, I think I see where you may have thought I was offended. With the caps maybe? Sorry about that, was just making the point that the forums belong to all of us, not just TC. All the good, all the bad.

I used caps for emphasis because I couldn’t be stuffed to italicize or bold the text. Sorry ’bout that.

nomdeplums.5780:

Infracted for snark, apparently.

tl;dr: we’re not experts on other servers, let alone our own, and we should speak from our own experience (which is limited and shouldn’t be taken as fact, anyways). Generalizations about server culture should be treated with skepticism regardless of who they are coming from.

Thanks for the synopsis and extra effort, and good point.

nomdeplums.5780:

major snip

I’m sure that stuff was said in your post, sir, but you really need a TL;DR version. Cos man, that stuff was TL and I DR’ed.

On topic regarding participation in WvW, I know I haven’t been in game much lately because the encouragement to turtle in objectives and not fight seems to be running rampant through all the servers. It’s just not that fun for me, so I find other fun things to do with my free time more often now. That attitude might be affecting servers as well. Haven’t given up on the game at all, just waiting for the fix.

rchu.8945:

Mif.3471:

Unlike most other (all?) servers TC has a WvW militia culture, not a WvW guild culture.
Case in point: Commander tags for guilds only (i.e. “don’t follow us”) are frowned upon on TC.

sure, but the opposite is true, I’ve been told twice to not follow certain group because they are running havok team. I dunno if that’s a legit reason, but just come across as big ego.

Hopefully whoever told you this wasn’t rude when they did, but if you’re running havok, extra folks who don’t know the comp and tactics of the group are really just rally fodder for opponents. When you’re in a small group, one rally for adversaries generally results in a wipe for the group.

Just figured I’d share the mentality behind asking folks not to tag along – like I said, hopefully they weren’t jerks and took the time to explain why.

TL;DR extra folks running with an small, organized, coordinated havok squad don’t really help – they hurt.

Mif.3471:

I really wish FA and TC could learn to put their differences aside and fight DB together for the good of the tier.

LOL. Just LOL. xD

Silke.1695:

Kwisatz Haderach is not German. It refers to an old Chakobsa saying meaning, “The shortening of the way”. It’s from the Dune series of novels by Frank Herbert.

I remember when I first saw your new guild tag Eve and I was like, “Really cool Guild moniker!”.
Yeah, I’m a fan . Also howdy T2! Just poking my nose in and surreptitiously sneaking cookies from Jayne’s cookie pantry, Don’t mind me…. ^^

OMIGOSH yay! Yeah, I was one of the folks who had to Wiki what KH meant – read the books like a hundred years ago and it didn’t click. Matter of fact, we’ve had entertaining Mumble nights as a bunch of drunk WvW’ing KH folks tried to figure out how it’s pronounced. xD

And Jayne won’t mind you sniping cookies – just watch out, she has wild Silke traps everywhere. She doesn’t plan on letting you leave… lol

Nodrey.3948:

major snippage

TL;DR Commanders should use voice chat, for whatever reason, if they are not just kittening about. Inwitt is not your freind, and is preatty much an kitten. Deal wit it.

Shout outs:

-Deyja. Your frustration motivates me to do better. keep it up, you get kitten done.

-KH guild. I was the guy who did not speak german. You guys got kitten done. I’d run with you anyday.

-Bjorn the Greatwolf. Came into TCBL, last week while some random commander was struggling and not in voicechat, put on his big boy pants, and stabalized the wound (A.K.A got kitten done in the Emperors name)

-AWE guild. Ran around with you guys and got kitten done, despite how thick your commanders accent is.

Dude, thanks for the shout out, but holy cow. You need some sunshine or something. Oh, and we don’t speak German. No clue what you meant there.

Why are we still posting here? This thread is so last week. There’s a new thread for this week’s posts.

Any other hard-core WvW guilds have folks talking about sitting out of WvW until they fix this arrow cart debacle?

ANet, please fix this. Your idea was bad, own it and change it back please.

On a separate note, when fights actually occur without ACs, having a great time! T2 without ACs is a great matchup.

Good post, appreciate it (no sarcasm intended). I wish the game really required tactics at all right now.

However, with the way the game is currently, the only tactic you need is to be able to build arrowcarts faster than the other guys, so you really kinda did alot of typing for nothing.

warsock.7830:

So I had a strange issue yesterday… Right after TC was pushed out of garrison on DBBL I went for an attack on north bay and as soon as my ram was built…. it vanished?! Another set of plans was placed and that too vanished before it could even be built. Anyone else have this happen to them? On another note… holy crap pink! you guys brought it! Was fun fighting you too CERN.

-WarSock
Leader for Reckless Bravery [rB]

Was it actually built? There’s a 2min despawn timer on blueprints before they’re built now – not sure if that means the blueprint has to be built in 2min, or each time you add supply, it resets the timer. We (KH) forgot about that last night, had a few siege blueprints ahem despawn on us while we weren’t paying attention. lol

Holy smokes, just noticed Beastgate in 1st place! /cheer

Way to go guys, now you need to hold it!

zastari.1730:

gj at wk on Kain BL. Glad to see you’ve learned to stop getting demolished by us open field by building a million arrow carts.

edit: looooooooool. Next we meet you open field between sw camp and sw tower, you instantly 180 and build an arrow cart in the camp and get wiped while stacked on it. This new game meta is kittening idiotic.

Sorry to hijack your matchup thread, but used to be Kaineng and follow the thread to see how Special K is doing. Had to +1 your edit – this new AC meta is just plain dumb. Glad T3 is fun – T2 is a good matchup as well.

Quenta.2978:

Some epic fights in the hills on FABL tonight. kitten having to log early. :-(

+1 to this. Not just hills, but NE supply camp a little later in the night. We held it for a good hour and a half straight or so, but then had to settle for the flip/flip game because FA started pressing Hills. Really exciting fights pretty much the whole night, mostly over supply camps in FABL (from my perspective anyway).

Great start to the week!

Quit dying. Problem solved. ;-)

Evalana.5480:

BT has gone CAREBEAR for this score update!!

LMAO that is LEGENDARY!!!

MrInfinit.1864:

zaxon.6819:

if anyone is playing a glamour spec and says its fine.. you may not notice how hard you are being carried by your zerg. obviously you are getting loot bags and patting yourself on the back but all your spec is doing is tagging people that someone else is killing for you.

As a glam mesmer, aren’t you still blinding people within a specific area multiple times? Aren’t you reflecting projectiles back onto the attackers and protecting your allies? Aren’t you tearing off boons from the attackers while removing conditions off your allies? And while you’re doing that, aren’t you still doing at least some damage on top of all that with confusion?

I’m not defending the nerfs, I hate them (esp the blinding befuddlement nerf). But to say glam mesmers are useless and are being carried and only useful for tagging people is just silly and wrong.

Well said, and IMO, the points you make are valid. You’re still capable of doing something that helps as a glam mesmer. Unfortunately, if you’re looking at the support aspects and wanting to help the group, you’d probably be better off doing it as a support guardian or something like that. They help the group AND do much better damage/group control than a glam mes does in the current form.

As far as being carried… well, if all you’re doing is reflecting for a few seconds every 30, stripping a few boons every 30, etc… I kinda think the “being carried” tag fits a bit more than we’d like to see.

And yep, we definitely agree on the nerfs.

Well, the beginning of the night was fun, breaking down outer bay on DBBL and DB showing up in force to fight. Great battle there on the bridge by south bay. Awesome job on both sides IMO – the fight itself was constant and about 10-15 minutes long. After that, though, the new AC buff reared its ugly head and turtling commenced. Was boring for us, and I’m betting that you DB guys in Bay didn’t have much fun during that timeframe either.

Well, silver lining, at least we had like 15 minutes of fun. Gotta admit, really hate this new AC buff.

kylia.4813:

Mice.8921:

Whilst I wouldn’t deny that this nerf was harsh, I would observe that on their podcast, either Kylia or Pyroatheist said that their guild was running W3 with something like a 50-75% glamour mesmer count… That strikes me as a sure sign something is too powerful….
Edit: I’ve played mesmer since BW3 – its my main and favorite class by far…

Well we ran that many as that was the group composition we ended up with I seem to attract mesmers on my server (who knows why!) and of course adapted my group composition to match. Was it because it was too powerful? More because those were the classes we were dealt

I think I died a little when I logged on tonight and saw the damage on cry of frustration at 180, time to number crunch and see if there is any way to salvage an awesome game mechanic that is unique to GW2.

Hey Kylia, were you in WvW last night? We were on TCBL, ran across a AVTR group near Bay/Briar/Vale (still a bunch running glamour looks like)… for those that are saying confusion is ok… as a mesmer, I completely ignored both confusion and retaliation, didn’t even have to think, and never died while fighting one of the premier (IMO) glamour mesmer groups in the game. I kept skill spamming, saw pink numbers poofing doing next to nothing to me, and the group heals negated the effect completely.

Bottom line, IMHO, confusion in its current state isn’t good for anything other than supplemental damage and/or tagging people in WvW. It certainly doesn’t make a difference in a fight.

So, how many folks d/c’ed in TCBL in front of SW tower/SW Camp during that crazy fight with DB? Up until the client crash, that fight was brilliant. So much fun.

kylia.4813:

Sour much… We saw a great fight to be had with all three servers, TC defending the toughest keep to take, can’t understand why your not just proud that you defended multiple attacks, but instead felt the need to put down the other side, you must be one of these “troll” people that I keep hearing about.

To everyone else in the double long siege, Amazing work TC, you guys did brilliantly! DB, fun racing you to inner and then seeing both our bloods run red! And FA, hope you had as much fun as I did

+1. Wasn’t at this epic 3-way in Hills, but what I’m getting out of it:

FA – Great job all, what an awesome fight!

DB – Yeah, it was epic! Great job guys!

TC – We won we won you guys are bad hahahah trollllololololol

Those from TC posting on here like this, I’m disappointed and I know TC is better than this. This absolutely is NOT the TC community that I’m proud to be a part of.

FA and DB folks, I’d like to apologize on behalf of the few TC’ers on here who feel the need to put others down at every opportunity. Never, ever, thought that I’d have to apologize for TC folks’ behavior.

Coinin.2590:

Keep in mind TC’s strongest days for point gain are Mon-Thurs, past few weeks FA has been the lead during a good deal of the weekend until the actual week itself up until last week where KN sadly imploded where we led almost the entire time. At this point it’s to easy to say anyone’s owning anyone. Not only has DB gotten a few large transfers in the last week that are helping, but we had a really sad showing this weekend for TC it seemed. I think TC/FA should be taking DB seriously, but I think its way to early to try and say 1 server is owning anyone’s backside.

Excellent point. Let me try to put this to bed and say the point of my original post was to say that all of the servers are good. We wouldn’t be in T2 otherwise. Pretty sure that any of the current servers in T2 have the ability to win the week. This is a great matchup, it’s competitive, and I really don’t understand the crazy chest thumping comments that have been flying around.

This is a game, it’s supposed to be fun, and I, for one, have had a kitten-eating grin on my face every time I’ve stepped into WvW this week (and yes, I typed “kitten” as in baby cat before the silly potty mouth tool could change it – take that, A Net! lol).

Sergo.2867:

Current powerhouse?. Waiter, I’ll have whatever Dhampyr’s having.

Yep, current powerhouse. They’re been in the tier since Friday, and I’m guessing you haven’t checked the scoreboard at all. They are a force to be reckoned with, and they’re currently handing both FA and TC their backsides when it comes to score. I didn’t say that they were the better than FA or TC, and I’m thinking you didn’t get the point I was making with the post. Any chance you could go read the whole thing again pls?

Edit – that was a really funny comment, tho. +1 to you.

Hickeroar.9734:

Anyone who thinks FA is weak is deluding themselves. No one gets to T2 by being weak. All three servers are excellent. We all have diverse personalities which sometimes clash, but skill is not really up for debate here.

FA has beaten TC. TC has beaten FA. KN has beaten both FA and TC. FA and TC have both beaten KN. DB is currently beating TC and FA.

No one sucks….

+1. At any given time, all four servers (including KN on this because they spent so much time in T2) destroyed the competition and have been destroyed in return. Few examples just from this week…

1. DB has held a healthy lead during the entire reset weekend. Mean’s they’re really good.

2. FA has overtaken TC’s lead over them and moved into second place for the week. Means they’re really good.

3. TC owned DB’s entire BL last night for most of the NA time slot, and they’re the current powerhouse in T2. Means they’re really good.

We’re all good, we all can win this, or we wouldn’t be here.

Group hug? lol

Mif.3471:

Dhampyr.2104:

I must have missed the memo – how is a successful golem rush a broken game mechanic? Of course, it could just be that I’m a dummy and just can’t see it for myself… xD

Because the time it takes to kill a golem (number of golems doesn’t matter to AC’s) is less time than it takes 10+ golems to get through two upgraded gates.

And while I’m sure this sounds like sour grapes, it’s opinion I’ve had for a long time.

They need to make a limit to the number of golems that can hit a gate at once. A few golems are fine, but 10+ allows attackers to cheese any defense put in place, in a game where offense is already easier than defense.

Meh, ok I guess. Not sure why that’s a broken game mechanic though. I’ve seen plenty of golem rushes get melted – the key is to get them BEFORE they get to your upgraded gates. Scouting ftw – not to be contentious, but golem rushes (i.e. getting them where they’re supposed to go) have to use decent tactics to get through undetected, and they’re pretty easy to spot unless you have a team of pretty coordinated mesmers (and even then, they’re still pretty easy to spot and interdict). If we miss them and they get through… well, bad on us for not scouting better and grats to them for taking a keep we should have held better. :-)

Anyway, our matchup thread probably isn’t the place to discuss, sorry I brought it up. Great week so far, DB has moved into a well-deserved lead (never thought I’d say this from TC, but man, you guys have some NUMBERS!) and FA continues to bring the pain. Awesome fights, let’s keep this up!

Wick.1280:

FA camps the JP. Go figure why they are in last place.

Darn those FA. They need to quit doing that PvP stuff in a PvP zone. /shakesfist

lani.7431:

Have you looked at the score lately? TC is in danger, they do not hold a secure second spot (not that our spot is secure either). I for one am rooting for FA. Go go FA!

And this^. Well, except for the whole rooting for FA part – love fighting you guys, but I’m hoping you stay in 3rd place. xD

saiyr.3071:

Weren’t you in RE?

Used to be, yep.

Mif.3471:

CAA.9653:

Good times in TC’s keep. its so cozy in EB =D

Good job with the 10+ golems. Brilliant idea to use a broken game mechanic.
It really showed those PVP “skillz” you like to brag about.

I must have missed the memo – how is a successful golem rush a broken game mechanic? Of course, it could just be that I’m a dummy and just can’t see it for myself… xD

ParaldaWind.4523:

This thread is 99% Maguuma. At least Dragonbrand had trolls.

C’mon YB, talk to us! Kaineng, too, I guess. As long as you don’t act like TC.

/hug

It’ll be ok.

Like that?

Vespirisa.1497:

I think I got like 30 bags just from that TC push into their hills Did you guys get a bit impatient?

Grats on the bags. Our consolation prize was DB’s entire BL. :-)

Even got to see a few CO – missed you guys, glad you’re back in T2!

Sunspots.9861:

Great Matchup so far! This is the first video of [PiNK] in action reset night on FABL. This is probably my favorite of all our videos because it really captures who we are. I hope you enjoy it too, and cya tonight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqFm3ZzYYp8

Great video – did you guys feel like you were on the “300” movie set while you were at the wurm? lol

Sunfish.5970:

Had Fun watching [Awe] and [DPS] GvG at the windmill in DB BL.

Also, why was [PiNK] so mean that they GvMe’d me when all i did was want to watch.. :C

Too bad it took you guys longer than 30 seconds to kill 1 dude. That should add to your skillfull achievement.

Signed, The lonely jumping DB Guardian

LMAO @ GvMe’d. Glad I wasn’t drinking milk.

RoninDB.9540:

Come peeps, nice fights every where. BT – I’m still trying to get something you stuck in me.. out of somewhere. Hold on, let me see it.. A GARDENING UTENSIL!?!? Sheesh. Don’t bring a garden utensil to a treb fight – that’s all I’m going to end with.

Now that’s a heckuva visual! Ow ow ow!

Andy.9137:

It’s not even possible for a fair fight is it

War is horrible. :-)

Chopps.5047:

A hiding mesmer in a keep is extremely dangerous as he or she could portal an entire army in. Every time one of our commanders takes a keep, the first thing they order is a full sweep. This is intended behavior and lots of fun, at least for the portaling team. It sounds like you learned this lesson the hard way. Next time, do better.

I think you might want to re-read the OP – he’s not talking about a hiding mesmer, he’s talking about a dead one staying dead, waiting for a thief rez. It’s a whole different ballgame there.

Personally, I think ANet should implement something like corpse burning – if there’s a dead body, you hit “F” over it, and it’s forced to waypoint. No more corpse spying, getting rezzed through a gate, whatever.

Edit – Just noticed Aveneo’s post saying basically the same thing. GMTA. ;-)