Guild Wars 2

PAGamer.4072:

Dear Super Amazing Dragonbranders,

I am sorry we tried to take your candy from hills tonight. We didn’t realize you were hiding it in our homelands until everyone who lives in your world came outside to stomp our faces.

If we manage to take it next time, I promise to save some for all of you! But only if everyone stops chasing me to steal the cookies from my pack! I know we got the best cookies, but those are all mine!

Okay, I might have my Naked Chef Rat make some for anyone who’s all nice and stops invading our world. Yeah? We should all totally just go pet dolyaks together!

Fully upgrading keeps and then holding them seems to be a strong point for DB – when I was on KN and we were going through the ranks, DB would take Hills on our BL, upgrade it, and then hold it for the ENTIRE WEEK. I won’t be surprised to see that happen over and over during our upcoming weeks with DB.

Welcome to T2, DB – you guys are doing great, glad to see you fit in!

Chopps.5047:

@Torres

Dying via confusion or retaliation were two of the most common ways players died. Many players don’t notice this because of a lack of visual cues to help alert the player to these effects (blind has a nice animation to alert the player, for example). Anet reps have said many, many times, if the game wasn’t so fast paced and/or if the death window was active (tells you what killed you), then there would be A LOT more complaining about the amout of times people died to confusion. When properly used in a zerg, confusion can be quite OP.

I think you’re a bit misguided, or perhaps you don’t pay attention when you play (like most that die to confusion and probably why we have this issue in the first place)… you’ve never noticed the pink junk around the edges of your screen when confusion was active on you? It’s exactly like blind, and I can tell you that I’ve never had an issue with identifying when confusion was applied to me. Now that I think about it, I wonder if there’s a setting or something that people are missing – because really, seriously, on my game, it’s remarkably obvious when confusion has been applied to me.

As far as the OP goes… You’re amazing, Osi, but not entirely sure how you can post that confusion is now fixed in one breath, then post that we need to remove the AOE cap to break zergs. Confusion was just fine where it was – killed the bad players, forced the good ones to play well, AND it was a good zerg busting ability. I agree we need more ways to break up the zergs – we don’t need to kill the builds that do that. We just need to make similar zerg-busting tools available to everyone.

Meh, the decision has already apparently been made, though. You don’t see confusion builds in sPvP because they don’t work there. Limiting build choices and decreasing variety is a bad sign. Makes me sad.

Entropy.4732:

When another MMO comes along, I’m gonna be tempted to leave now. Big time.

+1. The whole reason I left WoW after eight years was because they dumbed everything down to make it so anyone who can faceroll a keyboard could play well. Skill failed to matter. Sad for me to see this game follow that same model, and I doubt this is the end of it. Confusion was a great thing IMHO – killed the bads, forced the good players to play well.

Next thing you know, GW2 will have playable pandas.

Oh, I’ll still be in the game – but I really can’t wait for something else to come along.

Yamato Shinobi.4378:

gabal.4520:

(only 2 entry points if we don’t count spawn).

Vale = 3 entry points. Spawn, Choke and Hillside towards Briar.

Isn’t that what he said? Two of we don’t count spawn.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Think some people on FA like roflstomping DIS and PiNK more.

Did you transfer to FA, dude? If so, welcome to T2! I’ve been missing your posts, glad to have you on board.

Man, meant to post this last night before I went to bed, but was having such a great time in WvW that I completely forgot…

Wish you FA folks could have heard our voice chat in FABL at SE tower – we were catapulting from near the beach, not too many defenders inside, and we definitely expected a strong response from FA. We were scanning in all directions, when sure enough the voice chat rang out…

“FA zerg coming from the north! There’s a bunch of ’em coming!”

Turning to the north, we readied our weapons and quickly discussed tactics.

“Uh, what? They’re… they’re… ANIMALS???”

Tonic zerging! Man, I haven’t laughed so hard in forever, really unexpected.

For those FA folks who were part of that group, you are the BEST PLAYERS EVER.

Slamz.5376:

It is bad.
It is harmful to the game.
“Golem rushing” is simply a way of avoiding PvP.

That, in fact, is the ONLY benefit to golems over any other siege method: they are the most likely way to let you capture a keep without engaging in PvP. Even if the enemy team is 100% on the ball with scouts on the outside doors and they see you coming and they alert the masses on a public teamspeak channel, you will have time to take any keep except maybe the EB home keep, before the enemy hordes can respond.

I will say it again:
Golems are for avoiding PvP.

They should be removed from the game. At the very least they should not be able to take mesmer portals.

This is the WvW section. PvP is that way —-————————->

All joking aside, there’s more to WvW than killing other players. Having strategic objectives (and having to think tactics to take and defend those objectives) is what sets WvW apart and makes it more fun than just dueling other players, IMHO.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Lol.. Comprehension? I don’t think it is hard to comprehend somebody saying that an ally is now worthless once that ally is no longer strong enough to be of use.

TC and Kaineng were “allies” in regards to how we viewed each other – respect and sportsmanship. Certainly we weren’t allies on the battlefield – my fond thoughts of TC as a server sure didn’t stop me from smoking them, nor did it keep them from planting a spike in my head at times. Not entirely sure why anyone would blow that out of proportion and make it seem like we’re the U.S. and Britain in WWII. On the battlefield, red is dead, as it’s meant to be.

InfamousBrad.5879:

What if none of the servers in the tier has 24 hour coverage?

I think your argument is flawed. If you’re pointing out that golem rushes/mez portals are a problem, then point out that you have a coverage issue… well, I don’t think the golem rushes are your problem at all (nor are they really affecting your gameplay). Ninja ram/cata teams are going to do the exact same thing to you, and with less effort/supply/coordination. End result is the same – small, organized groups are going to steal your stuffs.

IMHO, I’m on board with Zephyrus – having a small organized group able to have strategic impact is a GREAT thing in the game.

nibbles.2408:

It’s always the minority that gives a server a bad name unfortunately. Although it seems recently a lot more are getting better at not generalizing like this. I never really understood all the anger and passion from either side honestly, it’s a game, no need to get so worked up and petty over it.

True statement. I don’t see it as “FA hates TC hates FA”… I see it as a couple of loudmouths from FA hate TC, and a couple of loudmouths from TC hate FA. It’s unfortunate, but every server has people like these.

Oh, and it was brilliant when that EMP/RE guy came in with his “server” recruitment pitch – the TC/FA unification made me all misty eyed. xD That being said, as KN was coming through the tiers, DB was one of the best opponents – amazing skill on the battlefield, classy, no forum wars. Only reason we were able to move past them was because we had vastly better coverage to take advantage of their weak spots. If they get strong folks to plug gaps, they’ll be amazing to fight in T2. Can’t wait to see them in the tier!

Awesome night on FABL. Some great open field fights! Fun times trying to keep at least one camp green all night long.

So. Many. QQ posts. After taking about a month where I did nothing but the dailies for laurels and almost exclusively stayed out of the forums, I decided to actually start reading our matchup thread again.

I was originally Kaineng T8 in the dark days, rode the crazy ride to T2, and got a bit burnt out (hence the break). That ride to T2 showed me how crazy ugly the forums can get when everyone is mad at everyone. This matchup thread seems to have devolved into that.

FA – I heard the rumors when you guys came to T2, no respect, all trolls, blah blah blah. I was very pleasantly surprised to find that wasn’t the case at all. You guys were good on the battlefield, and the forum conversations, barring a few snarky comments from the type of folks that all servers have, were very worthwhile. I’m impressed with you guys – up until lately, anyway. It appears a bunch of you have stepped it up a notch with your comments on the thread.

TC – you know I love you guys. Even before I moved over to your server from KN, I gave you tribute in my sig. Now that I’m on your server and fighting alongside you, I’m honored to be here and part of how you do things. I chose to join your server because of the amazing community you have – and I don’t regret my choice to move at all. But man oh man, I’m disappointed with a bunch of you on the forums lately. Please take a minute or two and actually read your posts before you submit them. TC has a really good reputation. No need to spoil it over a poisonous matchup thread.

ON TOPIC – I’ll say it again. FA BL was awesome last night. FA brought the heat and flipped stuff left and right, spent the whole night running between points to reflip ’em. Woo!

wookie.8934:

While you guys are absolutely correct, keep in mind this thread is for Boston victims of the marathon bombings. Like I said before, no one is preventing any of you from doing something similar for any number of other causes or charities, but please don’t come into this thread and try to ruin something that aims to help others in a time of need – it shows a lack of true character and understanding.

Again, no one is stopping you from doing something similar and creating your own drive for donations/charities.

This, this, this this this. Can’t believe folks are arguing over “this tragedy is worse than that tragedy” and are cheapening the thought behind this.

Great job, and great idea, FA. I’ll try to die more often so the pledges get filled faster.

Fun fights on FABL tonight. Spent so much time running from Bay to the north towers and back again that my toon lost a bunch of weight. xD

Pinko.2076:

Hopefully Kaineng will match up similarly in NA coverage so t3 doesn’t become another terrible slog. This transfer (and ones that will follow) really does make me sad to be losing a balanced match.

T2 is pretty well balanced right now – at the moment, any of the three servers there can and have won the week. Not entirely sure why you’d assumed Kaineng would be the one to drop. Could be any of the three. ;-)

Leuddian.3057:

Probably more meaningful to make it so that clones only spawn when the dodge actually evade an attack.

No offense, but this is just silly. Ever notice what happens to the clone when the mes actually evades an attack? The clone eats the attack and is instantly butterflied. Absolutely no point to DE if it’s nerfed in this manner.

When I hit a skill, I want the opposing player’s W, A, S, and D keys to stop working until my skill hits as well. It’s too hard to hit someone who moves at all, let alone dodging.

Quite a few great suggestions here. The one thing I don’t see is retaliation – running the retaliation on Confusing Cry trait is fantastic against burst classes. Plus, you mention usually using sword/focus – there’s another 14sec of retaliation if you can set it up (i.e. you have time to do so).

Not much funnier than having retaliation up and having a GC thief down himself on you when you never even saw him… xD

Jayne.9251:

*asks thread to move in with her.

Yeah, but does this thread come with its own toothbrush?

fivekiller.1432:

As I said earlier, WvW is incapable of good matchups. There is no matchup method (WULD, Glicko, Manually setting tiers, etc..) on the earth that will create good matchups.

Its not really a risk though to find out. Anyone who knows what is happening with the different servers in the game, as yourself, has a good idea how it will all play out.

There will be many bad matchups and a very few OK matchups. The only difference being there will be no matchups that will last for more than a week.

Excellent points – if the goal is something different every week, WULD will certainly provide that. My only concern, as outlined above, is that we’ve had volatility in the past (with free transfers) and complained incessantly about it. Now that stability is the order of the day, it would seem we want volatility again. What happens when we get it?

Personally, would rather leave it alone and have ANet focus on other issues, such as skill lag or bugs within the classes. That’s just me, though – WULD wouldn’t break the game or anything, though, so why not? On top of that, we’d have less T8 threads – almost worth trying it out just for that! xD

We do have a few examples to pull from that show what is likely to happen with WULD – if we look at the T3/T4 split on the NA side, at least up until SoS started to fall through the tiers. Maguuma and Yak’s Bend basically kept swapping places between first place T4 to last place T3… and that was because they would blow out T4, but get eaten alive in T3. Not sure if I’d want that as the new “standard” throughout all of the tiers.

On top of that, I seem to recall people screaming for stability prior to the free transfers ending. Now that we have that stability, folks start crying that the matchups aren’t fresh and we need more volatility? We had volatility before and we whined about it. No need to bring it back, thank you very much.

Let’s actually take a look at WULD, as it would apply to the current NA tiers:

1. JQ
2. BG
3. Kaineng (Kaineng would get smoked here currently)

4. SoR (SoR would destroy here currently)
5. TC
6. DB (DB would be eaten alive here most likely)

7. FA (FA would own here currently and has in the past)
8. YB
9. Maguuma (this is a bit closer, YB and Maguuma seem pretty close, but neither Mag or YB stand a chance against FA)

10. SoS (This is difficult to call, not sure how the SoS slide is going to pan out)
11. SBI
12. EB (Possibly a good move, although EB has been here in the past and didn’t do too well)

13. CD (tough call, but CD has been pretty stable. Pretty sure they’d do well here)
14. BP
15. DH (another tough call – DH has been doing well and would probably continue doing OK here)

16. AR (AR would likely own here)
17. DR
18. NSP (NSP recently dropped from this tier, unlikely they’d turn that trend around)

19. IoJ (this entire tier is a tough call)
20. GoM
21. SF

22. HoD (HoD is already winning T7, they would destroy T8)
23. ET
24. FC

I think I placed the servers correctly using WULD (of course, that’s not looking at current scores, just current placement within the tiers and swapping spots, but given that there’s very little movement within the tiers atm, seems to be fairly accurate). Understanding this “analysis” on the outcomes is all conjecture on my part, we have:

Tiers with bad matchups: T1, T2, T3, T5, T6, T8
Tiers with good matchups: T4, T7

Not really sure how WULD would help, and it’s definitely not worth the risk to find out.

Manoa.5897:

SF has been in T8 for 12 weeks straight now (3 months, a solid quarter of the year) and has dominated for 10 weeks straight. As of last Friday, SF has won by 75K to 296K margins (with an average of 206K and a median of 225K) each match for the 10 weeks of domination. However, this isn’t “adequate” enough to Glicko for SF to progress from T8 to T7 (yet other servers in other tiers aren’t held to such standards).

Win harder. Since there’s been a bit of Kaineng bashing going on here, let’s go ahead and look at Kaineng’s departure from T8 – to break out of T8, we needed multiple 500k weeks. SF is barely breaking 300k, and that’s not even a given. Although that would definitely qualify for a blowout, it’s not enough to get out of T8. Especially now.

Ross Biddle.2367:

And yet I still see iZerker users tear groups of players apart in WvW all the time…

It’s not used in WvW for its damage. It’s used in WvW for its cripple.

jportell.2197:

Tried posting another bug thread because We still believe this deserves greater attention than it is getting… And still nothing. They actually closed my thread.

At least having the thread open allowed updates (ha, like there were updates) to be posted. With no bug thread and ANet’s infamous trend of not communicating well with its player base, we’ll never find out what’s going on with the attempt to fix the issue.

Somehow, without ANet being prodded, we’re supposed to believe they’re going to stealth-fix the problem? I guess we should get used to not knowing what’s going on with the problem and accept that is just the way things are.

I can understand that the problem is difficult to track down. My issue isn’t with the devs searching through thousands of line of code to try to find one bug, and that being hard for them to do. Their handling of the bug thread, now… that’s a bigger issue, and a bigger disappointment, to me.

Frustrating.

I’m generally not someone who vents often, but the comment from the devs leaves something to be desired. The bug still exists, but they close the post for it because people are reminding them that it isn’t fixed? The excuse of “bumping is preventing us from seeing other pertinent issues” is amazing… it’s called a scroll button on the mouse. It allows you to see unread forum topics.

I understand that this game is amazingly complex and things break, but closing a bug topic because you’re sick of hearing from your players is just silly. I’m relatively sure that’s not the impression they meant to give, but they should probably have someone proofread their responses before they post them. Kinda like having someone test their code before fielding it in a patch.

Edit: In before infraction and on topic… I haven’t seen the zerker missing, only the apparent redux in damage. Doesn’t appear to be an intended nerf, so it might be tied to some other ability (from another class perhaps?) that they reduced the damage in??

Thanks, Pyro, that clarifies alot and underscores my original point – this spreadsheet is kinda worthless when it comes to making any sort of real decision based on gear (I’ve seen people use it to make claims of nightmare runes being mathematically superior to undead due to this spreadsheet, and while I think that sort of approach likely works with conditions in general, it absolutely does not with confusion). You really can’t model confusion in an excel spreadsheet and come to any real conclusions based on that – we all know that assuming an opponent will continue to mindlessly autoattack while affected by confusion is a bit… hopeful. xD

Which brings me back to my original point of condition damage vs condition duration, ONLY as it applies to confusion builds in WvW. Use condition damage if you want to kill people with confusion – hoping for those folks (HS thieves come to mind) that keep buttonmashing. If you want to control the fight with confusion (obviously by having confusion last longer and affect an opponent’s decisions)… that’s where your condition duration makes a difference.

TL;DR: The decision for condition damage vs duration in a confusion build should be determined by playstyle and desired endstate; not/not by a spreadsheet that has a bunch of numbers that don’t really reflect anything useful.

+1 to this thread. Will be rooting for you guys to make great things happen!

So that’s why we haven’t seen you around, FW! You’re missed, buddy – glad you found a good home!

Kazhiel.8194:

I look at numbers and they just look like gibberish to me xD

I’m with you. I’m sure I’m missing something painfully obvious. On that note, though, I think I’m just going to shut up and color. xD

Thanks, Kaz, but that confuses me even more – damage per auto attack doesn’t have a time component. Therefore, condition duration wouldn’t apply at all.

I guess the whole point is that attempting to model condition dmg vs duration for confusion in an excel spreadsheet seems to be borderline worthless. IMHO, play preferences are more important. Do you want to kill ppl with confusion? Condi dmg is prob your best bet. Do you want to control good players (who stop using skills when confusion is on them)? Condi duration is the way to go.

Saying that you’re going to get “x” more damage for confusion out of increased condi duration just doesn’t make sense. For a normal condition (bleeds, burns, etc) I get it, but confusion obviously doesn’t follow the same pattern.

Chaios.1065:

here is some maths that someone did proving nightmare runes are actually better then undead runes!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AkXSlFKEkur9dDMtQ3NqUldMMWZiM0lRSHNSc05DckE&usp=sharing
I’m going with those:)

Up front, I’m not a math major, but I’m not sure how much stock I put in this “math”. It’s talking about confusion damage, something that ticks completely dependently on what an opponent does – which is a variable that doesn’t appear to be modeled (impossible to model, probably) in the spreadsheet. It’s not like you get a tick of confusion every two seconds or whatever, you get ticks whenever your opponent uses a skill (sorry, not trying to insult anyone’s intelligence, just mentioning that confusion ticks are completely independent of time).

If going for damage in a confusion build, imho it’s more important to stack condition damage since you don’t know how many times your opponent is going to hit buttons (obviously bigger ticks every time your adversary hits a button), therefore six runes of the undead are still definitely viable. If you’re going for control (I don’t want my adversary hitting buttons) in a confusion build, that’s when condition duration comes in.

I’m not questioning the math – it’s just that the calculation of duration vs damage for confusion is much more complicated than appears to be represented in the spreadsheet. Also not questioning nightmare vs undead runes – that’s a personal preference, as I outlined above. What I am saying is that using this spreadsheet to discount undead runes in a confusion build is a bad choice.

Also, I posted this from a WvW standpoint, not a PvE one.

Edit: Just realized this is a necro’ed thread. LOL Meh, typed too much to erase it all now. xD

Definitely TC for NA servers, hands down.

Beastgate is a close second – classy, skilled, and awesome fights.

For WvW, condition builds work fine – confusion shatter builds and glamour builds will both be pretty successful (in my experience at least). With confusion hitting for so much less in sPvP, don’t think you’ll enjoy the same level of success – but sPvP isn’t really my thing, not speaking from experience there.

Good luck, welcome to the mesmer ranks – great choice in profs imo!

/cheer

Looking forward to it, can’t wait! Thanks for setting this up, pretty excited to hear more from the folks that have really positively influenced our profession.

Kazhiel.8194:

I’ll second Karmasutra’s suggestions and add Flimpy to that list.

I would add Kylia to that list as well – as far as glamour mesmers go, he’s probably as good as they come. Added to the fact that we’re facing FA now, I’m definitely looking forward to catching him in WvW and being taught some stuff. xD

I ended up going with melandru runes most of the time in WvW thanks to Pyro’s recommendation (although I’m pretty sure he got the idea from someone else as well, don’t remember who). With the runes and the soup, WvW killers (cripples, etc) become completely insignificant. Damage dealing conditions, with -65% duration, do much the same – I don’t think I’ve ever seen more than two stacks of bleed on me at any given time, since they expire so quickly.

As far as PvE goes, not entirely sure how much of a difference they make – I’m not a PvE kinda guy. ;-)

Actually, both the charge and activation will proc on heal effects. Esplen’s point about CD’s is valid as well.

dumptruck.7569:

The supreme commander of Blackgate is pleased…Good fights by all.

JQ and SoR need to pick a supreme celebrity commander soon, or one will be appointed to you by the ladies of TC! ( d-list only! Bussey is TC’s) (hilton is Kain)

Please just ignore the trolls and eat some rolls! – S. Seagal.

Eeek! We most definitely do NOT claim Hilton. The only reason Hilton became ours was because our REAL commander, Flava Flav, turned her.

PS. T1 looks like tons of fun this week – Keep it up! Although I’m cheering for my Beastgate brethren, definitely hoping the competition stays this fierce!

Welcome aboard, SoS and FA! Really looking forward to this week, it’s an honor facing two such crazy talented opponents. Can’t wait!

Bedstain.6735:

That is ridiculous considering that all the guilds that transferred are the same ones that brought SoS to tier 1. Don’t welcome us, but don’t brag when Blackgate hits t1 and an even match up with JQ begins

I think this is important – much like the T8 threads that we continually see, T1 is in sorta the same boat. JQ needs a server that can compete with it (preferably two, but that may be asking too much). Right now, BG is the best bet for that imo, and it’s only possible through transfers. As strong as BG was before, I’m not sure how well they would stack up against JQ’s coverage – now, they have a much more well-rounded team to field.

Additionally, we see numerous threads that refer to stale matchups as well. Waiting for ANet to change up the rating system likely won’t result in any meaningful change – while transfers will shake things up, exactly as most of those threads are trying to do.

Transfers have their place.

Vodka.3958:

That would make Kaineng the new powerhouse of T2. Good luck against SoS and FA!

Definitely not counting SoS or FA out if that’s how T2 shakes out – both are going to be hugely competitive and will bring new tactics for us to adjust to. No matter how things turn out, it’ll all be fun!

Omne.4603:

I’m not from Kaineng, but I think that people should transfer there. Kainengs the best do it up.

/cheer Thanks for the plug! I’ve always said that NSP and Os were class acts.

/salute

Tallis.5607:

Aaaaand TC did what we hoped to do, stay in T2 with the current points.

If you want to keep the cute, sweet, adorable, nice TCers in T2, please don’t hit us too hard!

OMG woo! /cheer

selan.8354:

to be quite honest, im nervous and excited at the same time.this weeks matchup was a little boring during the time slot im playing as we kinda owned everything and our guild likes challenges,so next week will be a lot of hard work for us.

It’ll be a ton of fun across the board, guarantee it. From all accounts, FA brings the heat, and we dig hard fights. I think you’ll have a great time, and we’ll all be challenged and learn new stuffs. Can’t beat that!

I’m not sure anything we could do would affect BG moving, whether we tried or not. The new version of BG should be Beastgate instead of Blackgate – they’re definitely ready to break into T1!

selan.8354:

sceptus.9415:

Sorry gotta step outside nice-guy mode for a minute.

Kaineng – right now on your own BL… What exactly is your strategy? Are you afraid of BG? Why attack our south supply when Bay is wide open for you? If everyone else is afraid to say it because of this cool forum vibe we have, I understand, but for the last two weeks it seems to me like you folks are just plain afraid to face BG. This isn’t about score – that was decided by PVEDoor a long time ago. Come on, step up to the plate and show us what you got. Right now, I can safely say that FA is far better than you folks and deserve to be here a lot more than you do. I’m just saying what everyone is thinking here. Sorry I’m the first TC to do it.

wow, what a compliment from TC.I am quite excited to meet KN for the first time next week and it looks like we are gonna meet sos aswell. Too bad that there won’t be any tc duels next week,but i can’t wait to see a matchup with TC/KN and FA.

Agreed, quite the compliment. Looking forward to putting it to the reality test next week, should be a good week!

SniffyCube.6107:

Robot Chocken.7012:

. I think having some of the same people from SoS going to BG server may yield some of the same problems. Also it requires a lot of organization to do so. If guilds are going to move servers why not take a look at Kaineng instead of all wanting to go to BG and attempt to stack one server..

Isn’t this what made kaineng, kaineng? The idea of “stacking” one server. Oh the hypocrisy!

Thanks for sharing your interesting point of view, and for the free bump. Cheers!

Robot Chocken.7012:

Wok Fo A Livin from [HzH] here. I am a commander on the Jade Quarry server and I personally would love to see more guilds go to Kaineng server. A few larger guilds are going to BG now but I think going to Kaineng would have been a better idea. I think having some of the same people from SoS going to BG server may yield some of the same problems. Also it requires a lot of organization to do so. If guilds are going to move servers why not take a look at Kaineng instead of all wanting to go to BG and attempt to stack one server. BG has had a chance at tier one already and Kaineng has not. Kaineng also may have a more solid presence in oceanic hours. I think constructing a server that has not been in tier one yet may be a better idea. I hope Kaineng gets more solid guilds and coverage for WvW. I would love to have you guys in tier one.

Thanks for the input! From a selfish standpoint, I agree with you, but from a look at T1, JQ needs some serious competition or you guys are going to burn out. BG may bring you some of that competition and keep T1 pretty fresh – they were really tough to start with, but they’ve picked up their game even more over the past week. They’ll be a great addition to T1!

Grimpaw.7493:

CHIPS.6018:

Tier 2 is the highest tier you can get to where wvw is still about fun. After that it is total war where anything goes.

Total war… in a game. I just don’t understand that attitude and I have loved the attitude BG and Kain have brought to the match. You have to play to win, anything else is disrespectful to your opponents, but playing to win is not winning at all costs. In the end we’re all playing to make the game more enjoyable for each other and you never know whose team you’ll be on next week, next match or next game – to forget that is madness.

If this is our last week together for awhile, thanks for all the fish, and I’ll be cheering for your success and awaiting our epic rematch in the future!

This is wisdom, and this attitude (found in all three servers) is what made this matchup epic. Even while BG flips everything as quickly as we can get it back it seems, I’m having a blast in WvW. As a matter of fact, this feels a bit like the old days of T8, when we couldn’t quite keep up with DR but gave it our all every single night. Awesome week, guys.

Detharos.3157:

What I was trying to indicate was not that transfers were “taking credit”, rather that they were “getting credit”. In other words, those adversaries in tier 7, 6 and 5 who witnessed the awesome power and only were left saying: “Lol War Machine carried them.” did an injustice to Kain, even if it couldn’t be helped that they would think that.

In the very least, I had to give a shout-out for those old timers of Kain who we had the pleasure of fighting against.

Thanks for the series of posts, Dathaul! While I’ll be the first to admit that it was a little frustrating to see the “transfers” (who are all Kaineng now, part of the family and all that) get all the credit for Kaineng’s rise, I quickly realized that attitude came from outside Kaineng. On top of that, I realized how much stronger we were as a result of the transfers. (Duh, right? lol)

Bottom line, those of us who didn’t bail on Kaineng realized we could either be a part of this, or we could quit. In true T8 form, we didn’t quit.

Again, thanks for the posts!

Lopez.7369:

Krakah.3582:

It’s due to the serious lack of PvP resources from Anet. No Dueling option and no GvG is why you see players using WvW areas.

Probably, but it doesn’t justify the bad behavior from players.

Sorry, must have missed something. What “bad” behavior?

Jado Cast.1805:

You want to see why TC especially DIS and other guilds like PINK are such awesome opponents? Click the link to this video, and go to the 3:36 mark. If that doesn’t make you smile, then you are rotten inside. They are Great Sports! Kaineng, you guys keep it real too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDhDnsJLU-U

LMAO great vid! You have captured the essence of TC! Spielberg would be proud.