Assuming someone’s playstyle based on a few sentences is idiotic.
Back on topic, why are you guys against wvw having similar rewards to pve? What is it about wvw’ers not having to go to pve to get gold/loot/gathers they need that upsets you so? Am I missing something?
I think it’s the case of people who exclusively play WvW having this sense of entitlement where they think that just because they don’t want to play PvE that they should get all the perks exclusive PvEers get as well.
I just feel that if someone is in the mindset that they can’t leave the confines of Eternal Battlegrounds to go and farm a node in a PvE map then they straight out don’t deserve the rewards that come with it.
I would understand completely if gathering nodes was exclusive to dungeons or something and you didn’t want to go and do a dungeon, but gathering is literally exactly the same in every map except in WvW you can get attacked by a player whilst doing so.
Would having a few ori nodes in wvw diminish pve rewards? I think you are trying to separate pve and wvw too much. It would just make the divide between the two smaller. On the other hand, that might be a problem. Lets not do it.
Keep your pve munitions away from our pure WvW:P
They are too busy setting up league play for wvw to work on functionality that should have been in the game on release.
WvWvW esports!
:D
I think that the idea with splitting the score into 3 timezones would be better. When a server is dominating by more than 20K in a timezone it starts getting less points for uncontested objectives and capturing objectives on maps where they have higher than 100 percent pop. If the gap goes to lower than 20K it resets to regular. Its still worth it to control the map as all your structures and upgrades transfer to the next timezone. But this way the effect of night/day cap will be lower and guilds will want to spread out a bit more.
You are asking for them to get pve players to run gathering trains? So we could farm them? umn, might work.
But better to have ori and such as part of rewards from objectives and kills in wvw.
So say 1 ori ing or ancient per kill? 2 per camp? etc?
I do feel bad for Devon. With all this pressure he is retaliating with insane league systems.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg
You shouldn’t be bumping your own posts.
Bumping this for you.
They did say that there is a group of people that are looking into GvG in a recent German interview.
They also said that Commander improvements will come in time, but are not part of core issues for them. Read last blog posted by Devon.
As for bugs and general resource allocation its pretty clear that Anet leadership doesn’t consider the gametype anything but a casual distraction from PvE. So they don’t allocate resources to fix them.
DR, BP and Kain weren’t here on day one;)
Agree with the op. How can a league be introduced before server pop and coverage imbalance have been fixed? Its like that total reset idea that Anet had way back, ugh.
Think it through.
agreed. Untill the dev team understands that these issues should be fixed, wvw will not be fun.
facepalm
Lion of The Wind
RgTg
So do 4 leagues in NA. This eliminates the enormous population difference from server 1 to server 12 and 13 to 24.
If you really think the server that is ranked 12th at the start of this stands any chance against the top servers you are delusional.
I never said they did. However, I’d argue that they do in fact stand a chance against the 6th ranked server and the 5th ranked server. We are not trying to only ever match you up against your closest comparable server. That was what was happening with the system before and it was bad. If you are saying you don’t ever even want the chance to try and show your skill against a higher ranked server, then I don’t know what to say.
We will continue to look into ways to change scoring to try and even out some of the population based imbalances, but that is not an easy task and it won’t happen during the season.
There’s a difference here, showing your skill against a higher ranked server won’t really mean anything, because they will still win due to coverage. Being in JQ when we got matched against Mag/ DB / FA, those servers would kick our kitten most of the time in NA timezone, but they’d get discouraged anyway because we still be up 100k+ points by wednesday. I can’t imagine the blowout it will be if JQ gets matched against 11, 12th servers.
Not sure how closely you follow the NA scene, but there’s a HUGE coverage difference between the the top 3-4 servers to the rest, this would make the seasons really imbalanced. Having 4 leagues of 6 would diminish that, otherwise we would need some way to allow a population redistribution between the top 12 servers before Season 1 begins
+1
I hope you take into consideration adding achievements that encourage zergs to disperse. Lets not have another WvExp situation.
Although, all in all, I’m not enthusiastic about this new system. I fail to understand the concept of “competition” that you hope to instill, when the playing field is inherently unbalanced. Numbers win everything. How is that a fair competition?
At no point did I, or would I have, said “Fair competition” WvW is not intended to be “fair”. There are servers with more people, there are servers with better organizations and that will always be the case. This competition will be about showing how your world can do over a defined period of time, against a variety of opponents. SPvP is the part of our game that aims for a completely level playing field. WvW would never be able to match that goal.
Devon, what is the point of having this League if you are not striving to make it fair?
Do you honestly think that it will be fun for any of the players if the population and coverage dis-balance is the way it is currently? I think the problem is that you believe thakittens fun to play a mismatched match-up. Its not.
I do however thank you for actually coming forward and saying this, as it saves a lot of time waiting for improvements that don’t have a chance of being implemented.
Best Regards
Devon, ty for your reply.
Could you please reassure us that population differences and coverage differences will be taken into consideration? I personally don’t care about rewards. What I care about is that most servers in t7 and t8 will get obliterated by higher tier servers. Which will lead to lack of morale and any participation on those servers.
Would it be possible to introduce some sort of smaller scale objectives for lower tier servers? Say if they can do well during NA prime time? I know you said you play on FC or ET, so you should be aware of chances these servers have to fight servers with big Oceanic presence and a higher population. Maybe a title like Defender of ET or Defender of AR for low score server players if they do get a certain number of wxp?
It would clear up a lot of confusion and qqing I hear in map chat if you could post explaining why these issues will not be a problem.
TY again for your communication in your own free time. And most of the people understand that you are doing a lot considering the resources you have been given.
Its just that we wish you had more resources:)
Cheers
I only ran across TFH once. My guess is because they stay mainly in EB while we avoid it. They died to us when they had roughly a 3 to 2 man advantage on the east side of SM.
And, for those DR defending TFH note that TFH insulted their own server. There are better players on AR than them.
Not trying to defend them. I just don’t want it to deteriorate into mudslinging between AR and DR, when people arguing aren’t even representing DR anymore.
Its hard to say. He has a lot of accounts. But I am pretty sure that AD transferred to EB.
Said about every server ever. TFH is just a mediocre guild who runs the same meta European servers ran half a year ago and think they are the next best thing to sliced bread, but then when you go up against your members 1v1 it’s obvious what kind of players it breeds. Just because you are a zergling guild who turns to slightly more sophisticated methods of zerging, doesn’t mean you’re no longer a zergling guild.
I guess I would agree with you on one thing though; it does get boring.
No one ever claimed to be great duellists in TFH, although we do have several members who regularly PvP and will probably rek a good one if you ever go up against them – not just kill one or two and make a general assumption about everyone else. That’s not the point however, we all have our goods and bads, but on the whole we work well together and complement each other’s weaknesses like a good group should.
Mediocrity is a relative term, and while we’re no where near the top, we’ve still ran over most engagements with the enemy. Obviously we’re no where close to what top guilds in EU or even NA are doing, but neither are you and if you deem us bad, then everyone we’ve manage to defeat is so much worse. “Oh it’s not impressive running over upleveled and unorganised zergs.” Well, get some organised groups on your server then and it wont be an excuse any more. We haven’t seen many of those and that doesn’t say good things.
Also, how do you define a zerging guild? If it’s purely numbers based, then every sizeable guild is a zerging guild. I can authoritatively tell you we rarely exceed 10-15 members in WvW at any given time, averaging about 6-7 throughout the day, so I hardly expect us to qualify. If it’s a matter of skill, then I can also assure you we do more than just press #1, which is what seems to define zergs these days. Anyway, your line of argument is vague and a simple matter of opinion, so I won’t argue about it.
Not trying to be a kitten, but since you seem to be a tad to arrogant, let me remind you that you lost every single even number GvG you did against us, and then any other close number engagements we had with your guild in the open field after that. No matter what “meta” you run, any guild group of 10+ on voice comms can wipe a 30 man uplevel karma train; doesnt mean you should post about it on the forums.
Our guild is fairly large, and we have some over enthusiastic forum posters on the roster (of which I am one), but rarely does an individual represent the view of the guild as a whole. In any case, if no one posted about their achievements/propaganda/brags for their day in WvW in the WvW matchup thread, there wouldn’t be any content in it at all, and where would be the fun in that?
Our ability to work together cohesively is a work in progress, and no where has anyone claimed to be the best at anything. There’s a certain amount of arrogance and not so subtle put downs, but we all need something to keep us occupied when the adrenaline has worn off and opening gw2 is not an option. It’s in every matchup thread for every server, so take it with the grain of salt.
I can acknowledge there’s still a fairly large room for improvement, so TFH is always looking to do more GvGs, preferably at a time when some of our key melee members are actually online. Rematches are also welcome.
EDIT: during the time I took to compose this masterful literary prose, it seems our other keyboard warriors have crawled out of the woodwork. The pencil is mightier than the sword, some say.
I am not sure if someone will notice, but Gab is in AD which is now playing on EB. Crazy C is OBS, which is on Crystal Desert.
I have not seen your guild yet, but I am giving you props for whatever you do in wvw.
Any guild that stayed on AR and is giving both us and FC a good fight deserves praise.
Please ignore people who transferred to other servers and are here to just stir drama.
This match has been great so far. Lots of fun.
Lion of The Wind
RgTg
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Fun fights in FC and DR bls. Shout out to WZ, Edge and Yarr.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
I am leaving DR on Saturday and want to offer my assistance, before I transfer, to any guild or person that is interested. If you want advice on siege placement, upgrading towers, or ninja tactics please let me know.
To anyone that wishes to sieze this opportunity to step forward and form a new guild or pull together the remaining guildless/small-man forces, I can try to assist with a bit of cash for a commander tag and/or a siege stash.
I will miss you guys!
<3
You will be missed. I always saw you do a lot of bl protection, upgrading and siege.
It was always appreciated, and I am sure will be a good help to the new server you move to.See you on the battlefield
/salute
Lion of the Wind
see not all lions bite :-p
(lion did you see your kudos earlier? I had hoped he would say norn warrior but alas i still suck solo hahaha)
Yes but he didn’t say the char was running into walls.
It was probably a different Lion:P
Lion of the Wind
RgTg
Quick, hide all the balloons and boxes of fun:)
I am leaving DR on Saturday and want to offer my assistance, before I transfer, to any guild or person that is interested. If you want advice on siege placement, upgrading towers, or ninja tactics please let me know.
To anyone that wishes to sieze this opportunity to step forward and form a new guild or pull together the remaining guildless/small-man forces, I can try to assist with a bit of cash for a commander tag and/or a siege stash.
I will miss you guys!
<3
You will be missed. I always saw you do a lot of bl protection, upgrading and siege.
It was always appreciated, and I am sure will be a good help to the new server you move to.
See you on the battlefield
/salute
Lion of the Wind
Well, looks like im joining the group of people quitting/leaving DR. Today has really shown that DR is bottom tier material without all of these guilds that have left
I could have sworn that we got into t8 with you guys leading the charge. But maybe I am totally wrong, and it was all the other people who trolled their way into t8. Glad to see you leave, and thank you for your help getting us into t8. Have fun trolling other servers.
By the way im loving all the laugh spam… 20+ vs 5… you showed us..
I don’t know who’s /laugh spamming, but they need to stop. It’s disrespectful and you wouldn’t do it if you ran a dungeon with the person.
I can at least say we have a rule against it in [WolF], so contact me if you see one of our members doing it, but I’d appreciate similar respect from DR though, not that I’ve seen any do it recently Not to rub it in, but you haven't exactly had much of a chance to anyway. :P
Just to be clear, there are people on DR who do it. I have seen people from most of our guilds do, and it includes mine. It annoys me personally, but there is not much you can do about it. Remember that they are individuals, and not the whole server/ guild.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Had lots of fun with my guild. Great event and interesting system for events going on in different zones. Thank you .
Also, Please tell the artists who worked on the new mobs, that they are amazing.
Cheers
Lots of fun tonight. Got rolled by you in BS and toi or something guild, a lot.
Was fun watching you move around .
Cheers
Lion of the Wind
SoCo/RgTg
Thank you arenanet!
Its refreshing to have some fun and difficult content for solo players. I mostly do WvW, so I don’t care as much about pve side. But this minigame was a fun distraction .
Thank you and maybe move this to WvW after the event? Make a duel area for wvw servers? Bottom for small mans and top gauntlets for 1vs1? Just make it a bit bigger.
Yes. I love the way balloons and airships have made the zones more visible.
Thank you Anet for great world events you added. I liked the Divinity Reach content, but the open world skyparite and balloon fights add so much more to the living world feeling. Please do more of these visually engaging events and less of lighting effigies and such. Also because there is a variety of events that happen, they feel much more real. Do more of this please.
As an IoJ citizen im pulling for DR to really just win this so it smacks home to my server that we suck as a whole in WvW which might really get these forum warrior commanders we have on here to really shut the hell up.
I don’t think that too many of us in DR care if we win or not. There were some really nice fights in this match up. A lot of great plays by all 3 servers and players. And you should really give more praise to your scouts and defenders ioj. They have been very good at spotting ninja attempts all week.
I think the star of the week was ET. I was expecting them to be a no show, but they really did great. I think the new system has been pretty nice for us on low tier servers.
Lion of the Wind
PS: watch us draw Maguma next match.
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This is what happens when BP tries to camp me
(if you’re confused about the last picture, I had killed them so much that they just waited at their spawn for me to leave — When I was killing them at the spawn, although they kept jumping down after dying while I was still on combat, I still farmed them until they stayed at the portal LOL)
Dude, farming pve players is a bit sad. Especially with your setup.
The video from above was great. This is sad.
Edit: Reading problems on my part. Didn’t see that they were camping you.
Sorry. <-Stupid.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
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I don’t think we ever made it to t4. t5 was where Maguma stomped us.
Good fights so far.
Have fun.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Considering their numbers FC did deserve second, as they did fight us well.
If you want to blame someone, blame IOJ as they decided to play King in off hours and spawn camp us. I am actually hoping that FC gets second and good points. As it will mean that there is a higher chance for us fighting them in the next match.
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LMAO! Let me get this straight, you dropped a blueprint on the ground, and someone from DR took the blueprint, which was on the ground, and you’re calling them a thief? LMAO!
If you dropped it on the ground, it sounds like based on what Anet has put into the game, it’s fair game. If it’s not, then Anet shouldn’t make the blueprints droppable (and you really shouldn’t have dropped it outside of the safe area).
I’m sorry, to come to the forums, and whine about your mistake, that’s just hilarious, thanks for the laugh today, I really needed one.
No, I called them a thief because THEY WERE A THIEF. As in, “HELLO I AM USING MEDIUM ARMOR AND MY CLASS IS THIEF I AM USING DAGGERS AND SUCH AND I HAVE A STEALTH MECHANIC”
They waited for it, that’s the thing. They weren’t running up. They went into stealth, AFTER they noticed someone was donating blueprints. They didn’t even attack first. The FIRST thing they did was take the blueprint and then they ran off. They just a kitten move.
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Does this even require a response? Your fault for dropping it in front of the enemy SPAWN… Cry more. We’re not scum because you make mistakes. And if you think that DR is sending spies, you have a lot to learn buddy.
Leave it to an IoJ to be stingy over a golem.. Can’t blame them when half of their golems run under oil and die.
It wasn’t infront of the spawn, it was in front of the tower, literally outside the gate. I got a message saying “Hey I have some blueprints for you” and they started dropping them.
Also, I KNOW DR is sending spies. There is definitive evidence to support the case and if you’re denying it then you’re fooling yourself. Belittled is a spy and we’ve proven it time and time again. He never leaves WvW. He hasn’t gained any achievement points. He only just recently started responding in chat. He only shows up when we’re fighting DR. He never showed up when it was SF and DH. Don’t even try to lie about it.
Many players on your server clearly support play that is not in the spirit of WvW. Spying and stealing blueprints? I mean, I can understand if this was T1 or T2 where spying has some advantages, but this is servers from the bottom 3 tiers. And the only reason I say they stole the blueprint was because they did not attack, not did they stay around to fight. There is a difference between accidentally picking it up and then fighting and going STRAIGHT FOR IT and then running off.
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Did the thief have a fiery dragon sword?
I’m not 100% sure, but I believe so yes.
So you dropped a blueprint in the open field and enemy picked it up?
While you were sieging their tower?
It’s 2013 people, click the gear icon select 720p! It was encoded for that! RAWR!!!!!!
Sorry, but it is still grainy at 720p.
Keep posting the videos though. They are fun to watch. But I think you need to change something as the quality looks very grainy and laggy. Ask the AD guys for tips. They are pretty good at encoding. Though I am still waiting for more NoQQ ones with jerzi and larks:(
Give us back our CHARRCAT!
Fair enough. I wasn’t there so I can’t really say. But in the video half of the time you guys are wiping 1/2 numbers of fergs and 1/2 numbers of dr. I am not saying that there weren’t as many around the corner, so I stay corrected. Its a nice farm spot and we do it on IOJ pretty often for fun. Ferg ruined our party in IOJ camp yesterday.
But yeah that video is a bit grainy and doesn’t really show much apart of you guys zerging and turtling a camp vs smaller numbers that actually come out of the keep to fight. It is a nice video to see for DR though. As it shows why zerging is BAD! Why trying to zerg a position protected by siege, without your own support is bad. It does show that locking down a 40+ man zerg in a camp that usually gets flipped for every tick anyway is good. I just think that if you guys went into open and took objectives, you could do much more. Maybe even split that zerg into 2 or 3?
It is easier to follow you when I scout, when you are just running one zerg, but gets a bit boring.
Fun match up. Keep it up IoJ and FC.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Last post in this thread lol…
DR complain’s about zergs?
Hmmmm… what’s this?
That was actually pretty funny.
Especially you wiping all the 10 and 15 man zergs with 40.
I loved also all the parts where DR transferred to FC just to zerg you in this video.
Bravo.
That was an astounding victory and great skill.
I am just sorry that I missed this.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
God Im so kitten ed at the fact that NO IoJ solo roam. Like maybe .001% (aka 2 people on the server). Even the half wit almost decent players all roam in groups of 4 at least, so you know, they can kill those solo roaming pests without having to worry about losing! Unfortunately they still lose a lot.
Are you the asura guardian that kicked our butts at ss Sat afternoon? DRBL
I am the incompetent Char Warrior that was trying to run away most of the time.
We were laughing in map chat about how you kicked our butts. Great job and a /bow from me. Could you pm me what you are running? I mostly support on my guardian, but would love to solo roam a bit when not scouting. Still a noob though.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Clearly, both of you have not fought me yet
Sorry? I couldn’t hear you over the massive zerg you are hiding behind.
Anyway, are you even authorized to post here by Dimson Smack’d-alena?
Joey doesn’t zerg:)
All hail The Ranger!Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoColet me know where you usually are I’d love to kill a single competent player for once this matchup
Joey is IoJ. And he is a very good roamer. He usually comes to the fight club, so you will see him there. Read the post from above that is calling all IoJ a zerg server. I am on DR, not IoJ. I am pretty sure you will see some competent DR players soon, don’t worry:)
I am not one of them;) I am just a scout, so I run away very quickly:D
Most roam in BL. Look for Bsty and Edge and Oink for good solo/small group roamers.
Haven’t seen NoQQ in a while, but they will blast.
Cheers and enjoy your stay.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Clearly, both of you have not fought me yet
Sorry? I couldn’t hear you over the massive zerg you are hiding behind.
Anyway, are you even authorized to post here by Dimson Smack’d-alena?
Joey doesn’t zerg:)
All hail The Ranger!
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Good fights and lots of fun in FC BL last night. You guys did great on reset. I hope you can keep those numbers all week, so we can have a fun 3 way fight. Also looking forward to seeing more of your roaming and smaller groups. Its much more fun scouting if there is more than one group to keep track of. Cheers.
IoJ wb. Couldn’t visit last night due to guild orders, but I am sure during the week we will have lots of fun:). Get them points, just fight well in the evening!
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Great read! Thank you for posting this. I hope that A.net puts it in game as a library of some sort or as a story book format that they had in later years of GW1.
This and the stories on the forums should be in game. Maybe at the Priory?
It is a very interesting story. And its nice thakittens not in your face but rather has to be searched for and discovered in the world. There is not enough of it though, and there are some weird plot turns that don’t make much sense. But after the whole Norn/Char refugees(which made no sense really)its ok. I like Scot’s writing better than the other writers, and I can see his stories in there. What I think they need is an editor to oversee the story.
For both WvW changes. and the new events/dugneons were lots of fun to do solo/ with guildies. The bosses and mine mechanics were silly, but great for fun while talking on ts with friends .
Looking forward to the Karka Queen and the last event.
You guys should get more visible story in though. Right now what you have is nice, even if a bit shallow and corny in places . But to have more of it would be nice.
lol truly pathetic display SOCO commander. Come 1v1 instead of running to your zerg / siege.
Finish the fights you start -worst -necro -ever.
Care to explain?
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCoHe left AD and transferred to NSP. He is in XOXO now but forgot to change his signature.
Ahh ok ty.
I don’t think our necro commander reads forums , so I am not sure how he would get that. I will compliment him for getting away from a XoXo thief though. Shouldn’t be 1vs1 while he should be driving our 5 man wrongway zerg.
Cheers.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
lol truly pathetic display SOCO commander. Come 1v1 instead of running to your zerg / siege.
Finish the fights you start -worst -necro -ever.
Care to explain?
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
NSP, there is a group of bots from your server in the water south of the west node killing krait. Its in DRBL. They have been reported and killed a couple of times. But I figured you guys would want to report them too, as they take up space you can’t use for real players.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Had a fun night all around, looking forward to another close week. DR, you kept your BL locked up tight, that was some incredibly frustrating defensive work. Hard enough to get a foothold, let alone anything else.
It was lots of fun fighting you guys off. Our commanders worked together very well last night.
That treb in sw tower was a pain to counter. We tried to sneak build a few acs and take it out, but you guys had eyes all over the place. /bow
Also, some of the GoM camp raiding groups were a pain to scout and keep tabs on.
/salute
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Fun times in gom BL last night. Very good mobility on that NSP zerg. Same for GOM, though some of your movements were weird. Looking forward to the week ahead.
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Good fun in Drb and bl yesterday. Some fun fights with both ioj and dh.
Got run over by se mesmer/else swarms probably 15 times.
Nice duel with a necro at The island. I tried to go there later, but got run over by a zerg with golems. Hope to see you on the field again.
Not sure why everyone and their dog were trying to get SM. Oh and ioj, why do you need so many golems?
I mean 2 or 3 are nice. But that’s an overkill for a nightcap.
Oh and ty for Dusk,SW tower Guard.
Loot bag of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
To the Charr DR Guardian Raider from [OBS] in DR BL:
Please don’t dance on my corpse when I am on my upleveled necro and it is me vs 4+ of you. Otherwise this happens. Luckily for you, my wolf doesn’t like Charr meat. Too chewy.
Keep it fun and respectful.
Sry, I can’t take anyone named ‘Joey’ seriously =P
That’s my name…so I don’t quite understand.
Hey there Joey!
Please ignore the trolls. Always nice seeing your ranger roam in the field.
/bow
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
A guildie (thief) and I (mesmer) had a bit of fun in DRBL. Not anything completely noteworthy but we were outnumbered 2v5 yet were able to take a camp and cause a little trouble near the north camp where we eventually were wiped. I had bowed before they threw themselves at us but I was stood upon before waypointing back; not very nice.
Good fights all around.
Good fights.
I was the up level asura guardian running around and screaming.
Had to switch my build to deal with all that confusion. And yeah you guys were a lot of fun to fight. I also asked my 2 guildies to leave you guys and let the thief res you .
But I think our necro didn’t hear it/or ignored me:D I did bow to you after we got you spiked, so I think it counts:) Either way nice fight and a good practice for us to deal with confusion and clones.
See you on the battlefield
Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo
Enjoyed it. I am looking forward to more. Hopefully the story keeps going strong.

