Guild Wars 2

i’am not playing this game since 2weeks, and it dont miss me a second.
Boring class, no build choice, too much grind everywhere, not a lot interesting fashion armor, Stat grinding boring me as hell.. everything i hate in a mmo.

That’s sad since during 5-6years in GW1 i hardly was able to not play it.

Tranquillity.8697:

… Thats what Mike says in the manifesto video.

First things first. I don’t want to start another kittentorm about wheter Anet lied to us or not.

I simply want to know if GW2 took the things YOU loved about GW1.
Because most of the things i loved about it, seem to be non-existent in GW2.
It’s still a pretty great game imho.

To keep things easy please write about the 5 things you liked the most about GW1. After that please tell me if you can find these things in GW2.

So here are the 5 things i loved most about GW1:

1. “Build Wars”. Countless combinations out of hundrets of skills. that was the best thing about GW1. Even after 6 years you could still do something “new” and try different builds.

Is this in GW2? Not really. There are 4-5 Builds/Class that are worth to be played and it starts to feel repetitive very soon.

2. Fast and easy character preogression. It was so great that becoming level 20 was really easy and fast. Also getting the best equip in game was super easy.

Is this in GW2? I don’t think so. Getting exotic gear simply takes to long. Not even mentioning ascended gear which seems to be a hell of a grind.

3. Skill-descriptions. They were absolutly perfect in GW1. I have never played another MMO with such good skill-tooltips.

Is this in GW2? Sadly not. Both traits and skills are poorly described. They tell you what they do but don’t tell you the exact numbers. Thats sad.

4. No monthly fee. This was great in GW1 and is even greater in GW2! Thank You!

5. Healing. Playing a Monk in GW1 was fun and i love beeing a support character.

Is this in GW2? Kinda. I can support my group but it feels strange. I know Anet wants to remove the trinity and i like this idea, but still i feel a bit lost in this game because playing supporters is so uselless. 5 pure DD’s are blasting through any Dungeon while a balanced group of DD, CC, Support is just slow…. i was even kicked out of some groups because i traited in defensive skills instead of playing a pure DD-guardian =/

6. (Breaking my own rules here =P ) Mesmerz….. i love them

Does GW2 have them? Hell yeah =)

So, please tell me about your 5 things you loved about GW1 =)

Ahah, well said
, GW2 have nothing from GW1 i loved so much.

Also, i loved GW1 mesmer. Gw2 = awfull.

Especialy for the 1-2-3 points ( and 6 ). Fail Anet.

In fact, GW2 turned into “everything i hate in a mmo”

-boring class
-very few skills
-impossible to create your own build
-No more interesting rock paper sissor spirit, in GW2
-Grind for lvl up, Grind 100time a dungeon to get “end game” stat armor / weapons / Grind materials for craft, Now Grind Fractal to get the new OP stuff.
- Poor fashion customisation ( 90% of the light armor are awfull, heavy armor look like can of food )
- Cash Shop is nearly becoming mandatory = nearly P2Win game. ( to farm gold, to have “free” repair / recycle stuff / revive ( LOL ).. etc )

Everything i loved from GW1 ? no, i dont think.
But, everything i hate from all other mmo, no doubt

basicly all is : bla bla bla bla bla, still not a real single answer.

About gear treadmill, they still think that we are completely idiots. They call that progression, but they agree to say that we need long time to get ascended gear ( who is gear treadmill since they have better stat ) and its mandatory.

Anet definition from http://pastehtml.com/view/cjqpwkikn.html

Q: What is your/ANet’s definition of grind?
A: Repetitive game play that is not fun.

But

—we need to gather material over and over and over again to craft exotic stuff ( soon outdated ) and its not fun

—We need to farm over and over and over and over again awfull dungeon to get exotic gear and its not fun at all

— We need to farm over and over and over and over again Fractal for their stupid ascended ring.. and its really not fun.

So ?

Conner.4702:

Sky.9347:

http://www.reddit.com/user/Mike-OBrien-ArenaNet

-Snip-

“Because ArenaNet (sort of) held a hard line against all VP with GW1 — no VP ever, year after year — and it wasn’t that fun. It was stagnant.”
- Mike O’Brien, November 2012

I am very interested in how you can combine horizontal and vertical progression (progressing in two different directions?) for the same content… I believe it can not be done, and instead you can only create a very slow, very bloated vertical progression.

I’m out. I haven’t requested refunds, and so I will keep an eye on GW2 over the years just to see what happens. I can’t see me ever coming back to “catch up” with the treadmill.

Mister Mike O’Brien does not speak for me. I never felt GW1 was stagnant or not fun due to no vertical progression. On the contrary it was liberating to be able to do anything without the pressure of wondering if my gear was good enough.

I doubt I’m the only one that feels that way.

/agree 100%

GW2 could move forward

- increase skill quantity like in GW1 ( but maybe not need 200skill / class )
-Allow TOTAL control over build creation ( mean servals skills for each weapons skill slot, and so be able to change them like WE want )
- Separate stats and traits. Why should i boost life only because of a trait ? thats stupid.
-Weapons / armor stat should NOT have a big importance in the game.
- Give back a highest importance of the rock paper scisor system like in GW1.

For me, the HUGE gw2 weakness is the boringness of the gameplay, and the poor possibilities comparing to GW1.

Also, make aviable a merchant to buy easyly stuff with the best in game stat in like GW1 to get serval set to the “different builds”

After a week without playing GW2 anymore. I just came back here a see this good idea !

voted ! and i hope more will vote too !

The day where Anet will do a IN GAME questionary to ask player if they like or not the ascended gear.

I will, depending in the result, accept the fact that a majority like mandatory gear grinding.

Also, to be fair, Anet in they questionary should say :

-Ascended back pack item, requier to spend at least 20gold of material, and way more to get it with infusion updagrade.

- Ascended ring, requier you to farm a lot, a lot, and a lot the fractal dungeon lvl 10-12 to get the stat ring you want and spend money to craft the infusion update.

Because without that, you wont be able to play fractal lvl 13-14++++ because the agony condition will make you die like a rabbit hitten by a lvl 80.

Also, in the futur there will be ascended armor, ascended jewell, ascended weapons, who will requier a long farm to get them, and thoses stuff, with highest stat than exotic, will be totaly mandatory to enjoy the futur content we planning to introduce.

Excited ?

BUT, based of the forum reaction at least 80% of the personn here DONT like mandatory ascended gear farming
So the

Chris White

Chris White

We’re very excited about the new content, and from the reactions we have seen, so are many of you.

Just mean they choosed to ignore ALL ascended gear complain to only consider people saying that the fractal dungeon for itself is nice.

But that still DONT MEAN AT ALL, that people like ascended gear at the majority sorry to break your dream.

sinisterpink.7912:

(new tier of gear, but only a few pieces released). These changes have not unbalanced the game yet.

You perfectly said it.

Theses changes have not unbalanced the game YET

Even if, if you look at the fractal party creation you will clearly see how it divide the players.
After fractal lvl 12 ( i guess ) you HAVE to have the ascended stuff WITH the agony protection

Mean waste at least 20++ gold for the craft, and farm i dont know how many time the lvl 10-12 fractal to get the ring you want AND craft again a agony protection.

Did that for you represent what GW2 should be ? Did that allow player to enjoy whatever content, play with whatever player – create a party and go for fun ?

I dont think so.

Imagine, it’s start like that with only a few piece release like you said, how it would be when you will have to farm for a entier ascended armor set + all jewel + all weapons.

No offence, but use your brain a bit, because trying to minimise the huge change it will cause in the game wont change the FACT. Especialy when GW2 was sold AS A NONE mandatory ( I strongly insist on the word mandatory ) grinding game. And a large majority bought the game BECAUSE of that.

If you really cant imagine… i can only be really sorry for you for beeing a nice sheep blinded by the nice Anet words to persent their gear treadmill.
( especialy, if you read may post about the ascended gear, you can find a LOT of post with perfect explanation, who are not kids whinning post )
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Also, all post who desagree with each Anet word dont create a perfect environement for communication.

You want to be the whit knight who defend the princess, but, did they annonce honestly that they clearly want to introduce gear treadmill to make happy the grinder addict minority ? ( and totaly break the manifesto ) no. They just used a snake language considering players dumb enough to not understand the meaning of "ascended gear “progression” exotic – legendary “gap filling” ( thoses nice magic words )

Did they honestly answer about the ascended gear after the post with 202 pages against the ascended stuff ? not a single second.

Did they wrote a SINGLE word about ascended gear problem here ?
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/chris-whiteside-on-the-lost-shores-and-beyond/

Not a single second.
They just hide the unhappy majority saying that everyone gave awesome positive reaction toward the new content. which is totaly wrong.
Avoid the truth wont help at all.

Basicly, Anet reap what they sow. Nothing else.

Not mentioning of the “skill balance” who is nothing else that the worse job i ever see in ALL the GW history.
They should really be ashamed doing a such bad work. Seriously.

Also i forget.

I loved PvP, hoh, arena, GvG mainly in GW1.

In GW2, the pvp is bad like hell. doing what ? capping point and doing duel with the same build over and over again ? ahah.

And pvp is mainly bad because of the poor build diversity.

I personaly stop playing since 2days, and its just the begining.

Why :

- Epic fail skill “balance” who destroy more a class than anything else.

- Inflexible profession build who turn all fight the same and its pretty boring. ( i gave up to lvling all class to lvl 80 because of that, except my mesmer )
Not anymore the rock-paper-scissor spirit like in GW1 ( or nearly invisble )
Stat linked to traits just s*ck ( also 70% of the traits are useless and s*ck )
Gear stat are way too much important here.

- No way to get the a complete end game gear set easyly like in GW1 ( having to grind thoses stupid dungeons / farm materials durings days boring me as hell )
A worse since thoses dungeon are all about dodge timing and not about smart builds and smart skill usage like GW1. And even worse, the team gameplay is nearly invisible except for : target the same mob who have 500k hp to kill it in less that 20min… For god.

- GW2 become a grind fest with the ascended stuff.

But its finaly mostly because the core gameplay, the build creation is too limited ( would do i have to say we dont have choice !? ), too locked down.
Its BORING.

Anet totaly failed what it could have been the best mmo ever to make a WoW clone.

really Sad.

Kiviar.7063:

The Grind has also been scaling up slowly since launch. I could sort of accept it from the cultural tier armours and karma gear, but the grind to get ascended gear is too much for me. 12g in ecto alone for a back item? GW1 did have its grind I know, It was one of the reasons I quit it and played WoW for so long. Yes, it had a horrible RNG grind as well, but it was different grinding with 39 other people in MC than in GW1.
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I guess you missed a VERY important thing about the GW1 grind.
The GW1 grind was ONLY for cosmetic armor. But NEVER for something mandatory like the ascended gear , because of the boosted stat AND the agony crap.

In GW1 it was only to get a better looking armor, but you could get a armor with the best stat in the game for VERY cheap ( lets say it would have been like using 80silver for a complet end game set )

So you could totaly enjoy whatever content you wanted in GW1 without grind a single second.

Who is not anymore the case with GW2, since doing 55times and more the same dungeon for a exotic set, for me its grind.
Doing 1000000 time the fractal for the ascended ring drop, its grind
Farming weeks material to craft the ascended back stuff, its grind.

Also, exotic karma armor merchant, DIDNT even allow to buy the stat you want. IT make totaly no sense at all. It mean you HAVE to farm dungeon or farm material to get the exotic set you want..

That’s clearly stupid… and they look to didnt even think a single second to fix that…

lenpup.3765:

E Tan.7385:

Maybe they should care about the CORE gameplay instead of adding new maps and basicly useless stuff who wont make the game more interesting if the core gameplay totaly fail.

Yes. This.
Sadly, they followed the WoW model and have built a simplistic game, tossing aside most the virtues of GW1 in favor of flashy shiny new content that shuttles you along to the next thing. All so you forget how bored you are with the same inflexible profession build and every fight being practically the same thing, save for the occasional unique encounter or boss fight.

At this point I feel they have both expressed and demonstrated no intent to make this a better game at the core. All their focus is on adding content, the GW2 business model is built on the modern gamer’s short attention span.

Happy to finaly read someone who understand how important is the core gameplay….
( and how boring are all GW2 fights )

Keiran.1896:

Here’s a nice article on the feedback from The Lost Shores and the upcoming content.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/chris-whiteside-on-the-lost-shores-and-beyond/

What do you think? I’m a bit disappointed because it doesn’t answer our complaints about new gears but I’m excited for the future content. I just hope that they’ll do an event like Shadow of the Mad King for Christmas!

Lol, its amazing how they ignore the massive complain about the gear treadmill….

About what they are planning to do…
Ok…. but it wont solve many class bug, the huge bad work on skill update, the huge problem of ascended gear grind, the limitation of the build creation… the locking down of many aspect of a class management.. etc

Maybe they should care about the CORE gameplay instead of adding new maps and basicly useless stuff who wont make the game more interesting if the core gameplay totaly fail.

Wrong. Now GW2 is a copy of any random mmo.

Not so interesting gameplay with the class ( only resumed with auto-attack and somes skills, sometime )
And grind fest for your gear.

Finaly, really classic and not so interesting.

But, yes GW2 is very different of what GW1 was offering ( gameplay size )

Josher.9612:

Removing the energy/mana-like system that most RPGs have, took away a lot of depth in the combat system.

Totaly agree. Also it remove a in deep management of skill reload / mana cost.
So, most skill with “powerfull” effect will have a huge reload intead of having for exemple a high mana cost and small reload.

It turn the game easyest to manage compare to GW1, but it turn the game also totaly dumb.
All class so far are nearly only : auto-attack, click other skills when they are ready to cast, or click other skill sometime

I personaly gave up all class except the mesmer because they are all limited and very boring after a real short time playing them.
Note that i dont think the mesmer is the most interesting classe to play ( in GW2 ), but its the less boring one.

There is another HUGE problem in GW2, is that they lowered a LOT the counter skill effect and impact on the game.
The rock-paper – scisor style from GW1 is nearly unoticiable and turn the game finaly not very interesting after somes time playing it ( unlike GW1 where even after 5years playing it, you still had a lot of thing to try out and learn with various skill combo )

Anyway, GW2 is basic, not more interesting than whatever random existing mmo gameplay side.
( too bad they didnt keep the awesome gameplay mecanic a variety from GW1 and improove it for GW2, its just a decline. )

Sabo.1485:

Mandrax.7342:

Mungrul.9358:

Columba.9730:

flood all online buying sites with complaints and bad reviews. if they can’t sell anything over the holidays, someone will get fired and things will change.

Done; one-star review submitted to Amazon.co.uk, and I’ve up-voted a few other one-star reviews too.
Let’s hit them where it hurts.

Metacritic is a good place to vent too. User reviews do mean a lot to developers and currently they have done pretty well in this respect. If their rating starts to drop due to unrest it could have a negative impact on further players buying and joining the game.

I’m not really sure what you hope to accomplish. Attacking Arenanet isn’t going to achieve anything except convince people not to buy GW2, which will lower their income, which will cause them to have to lay people off and ultimately shutter the game. Are you wanting them to FIX the game? Or are you so hostile because of this patch you’re just wanting to destroy it?

basicly, Anet got 2days before the patch release a post with about 100pages saying that people dont want gear treadmill / dont need lie saying that ascended will fill the none existing stat gap between legendary and exotic.

What did they do ? they didnt change anything ? no.
Since the path quiet a LOT of people are quitting the game, rage about the gear treadmill.. give a lot civilian post / constructive criticism.

What Anet do ? nothing.

Did they said that they understood their mistake ? will change that ? did they communicate honestly ? Not a single seconde.

Also, Anet closed the 222page post about the undesired gear treadmill, saying what ?

refer to that post !

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/A-message-from-our-Studio-Design-Director-Chris-Whiteside/first#post721451

Who is nothing more that considering people like total idiots, and insulting their ability to read between the lines.

With a such behavior, its totaly normal do drag down Anet in any site that allow to note the game.
Its totaly their OWN fault.

If you like grinding game, this game is for you.

If you except smart skill balance – class bug fix, or was hoping for a none mandatory grinding game.
Gw2 is not for you.

In this thread there is a LOT of constructive criticism about the ascended gear treadmill.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads/page/222

But Anet closed it because of false excuse.

Anyway.

GW2 fail, thats it, they want to introduce gear treadmill ( slowly or not will not change this fact ) and clearly proove they want to force people to accept it.

Anet dont care about the customer feedback.
Starting with a GW2 manifesto saying that they dont need to make a grind game, etc and clearly do the opposive without giving any real and honest answer.

I have to say that i totaly support GW1 since 2005, i was always defending this wonderfull game saying ( and thinking ) that its the most interesting “mmo” ever made.
But how they are acting now… its not possible anymore to give them any single support and respect them.

How Anet drag Guild Wars through the mud with one update.

A game dont need MANDATORY grind to be interesting and not static.

See GW1 living up since 2005, and if you have GW2 its because it live pretty nicely ( maybe not like the Stupid WoW, but still )

Also, its not a “mmo” like you are used to, but its still a MMOs = massive multiplayer online game, Right ?

It never have been static ANY single second.
Also, there wasnt any mandatory grind, yes really, you didnt had to grind anything to enjoy all the content you wanted to.

I cant believe there is plow like you who are brainwashed with grinding mmo like WoW / Aion, or whatever stupid korean mmo, who cannot imagine that a mmo cant be fun and interesting without any sort of mandatory grind
( its a bit like people who think that FPS = COD with a PAD, and nothing else, for god, buy a brain instead of game, it wouldnt hurt you )

And that’s what people complain about. The Mandatory of the LONG ascended gear farming.
No one say that the game never have to change or evolve, you understand everything just totaly wrong with your very limited thinking.

pathetic.

swinsk.6410:

I’m not a fan of P/D build. I don’t like the length it takes to kill someone.

When I WvW I like to kill quickly and keep moving. The long you stay fighting the more people will add on you. No matter what build you are, you can’t kill anything while there is a zerg there.

Well the P&D weapons usage is, for me, mostly made to kite around, and of course there is a huge lack of burst damage.

Also his build without any boost of the precission / power stat dont help at all.
Since he was only able to kill player who wasnt lvl 80 or under geared player ( yep GW2 is a gear game after all )

But thats the GW2 problem, lack of real build viability, and worse since they linked stat and traits and those over-stated gear have a too important place in the game.

Anyway, the build is fun, the video is really nice.
But the viability look way too much limited since you cant really kill anyone you want Or it take age

( and thats too bad since the P&D “combo” is pretty nice )

Also. About most Sin “build” who are only resumed with auto-attack + one or rarely 2 skill its because of the initiative management, and not so handy way to get it back. ( like you could have mana back in GW1 ) So its at start very restrictive

Anet is just totaly disrespectful towards his players.

They dont bother to really fix so many class bug, they dont even bother to have a descent team to work on skill.
Thoses who work on skill are also totaly incomptent, they dont even look, and think to make smart update, they just do random cra-p skill update
Its more having a “balance skill” log quota rather than really doing their job.

I dont have enough strong word to say how its desapointing to not caring that much about their own customer and doing a so BAD work.

( when i think that SOOO many players would love to do fix skill / update them / balance them for free, its outrageous see Anet people who are PAID for that and who not even do 0.005% of their job )

If its to do something SO BAD better do nothing at all.

Kaimick.5109:

I love threads like this cause people are failing to notice that Anet is taking your money throwing it in the bank and collecting interest which is how they are able to keep the game free to play.

Personally I would not want to higher 15 people to work on one field until I am sure that the game is going to last. ( not saying the game wont but I am not a person that can predict the future)

yep, but they are taking a lot of money from the cash shop.
Also, they can do a effort to make the game last longer, the “i’am doing the minimum to see if its ok” can be totaly permissive.
Because if the minimum “work” why would they bother to improve something ?

+ only 2 failed people to work on skill, who do just wrong skill “balance” is really take the piss out the players since GW2 is a game based on skill, giving the ability to make serval builds, change how you play your char like you want.. etc.

Also your way to see it, its pretty outrageous, if they do the minimum ( pretty much like actualy ) and the game work ? why would they even start to bother one day to improove the game ?
Following your way to think, i would never improove something if the minimum is enough for most of the player.

incredible.

Zahld.4956:

Balancing skills then adding more skills would require more balancing afterwards. The cycle continues.

So what ? magic the gathering is doing that since 1993, did this game didnt work anymore ? not at all.
Did they fail at balance “skills” no since they create T1 / T2 and other format to forbid OP combos.

GW1 did that with the extension, or somes update adding pve skills. Did that didnt work ? not at all, the game passionate a lot of players since 2005, why ? because of the ability to create tons of differents build.

In GW1 even if they made a lot of epic fail skill balance, they most of the time remove ability of somes totaly OP combo, and it was fine.
Also GW2 dont have Curse + enchant + mana system to manage, its way more easy for them.
But yeah using 2 totaly incompetent person for that dont help at all

Not improving the core gameplay will, without any doubt make the game more boring everydays.

Or maybe gear treadmill will be enough to make play the majority during years with the same build over and over and over again. ( at see the poor GW2 choice offered by GW2 )

Erasculio.2914:

drmambo.7619:

We all aim for better armor as we progress through them game, so why not have more after hitting the level cap?

Wrong.

To some players, the single greatest aim when playing the game is to get more powerful items and see a constant influx of “+1” numbers. Those players, we like to call “hamsters”, and the gear treadmill is made for them.

For everyone else, the aim in playing the game was to have fun, not be a hamster, so the reason we were playing GW2 was exactly to avoid this kind of gear treadmill that has taken over the WoW clones.

It’s amazing that some players can’t even see how it’s possible to have a game without the gear treadmill.

+1 !

Feedback :

- Fail making ascended gear long to obtain. Fail making ascended gear more powerfull as the exotic ones. Do you realize that MANY Guild Wars player didnt want have to loose hours farming gear ? And prefer enjoy the game for the game like so many did since 2005 with GW1 ?
Do you REALLY realise that ?

Why not allow player who DONT want farm your stupid mandatory gear,buy them for cheap / with karma to a merchant and make thoses gear directly linked to the character once bought ?
No need to farm for thoses who dont want to
No need to waste hour doing something you HATE to get the lastest in game gear.

And the other could farm hours like korean grinder if the want to, and be “proud” of their hard work.
Everyone could be happy like that, and you could still do your stupid gear treadmill without annoy the casual players.

- Your team, is totaly incompetent to “balance” class skill. awfull failed fix for the mesmer, so many bug skill unfixed.
GW1 was awesome for his complet and deep management of the builds and skill.
GW2 totaly fail with that, even your " skill team " still didnt even know HOW make smart skill fix.

exemple : Do you really thing adding 30sec reload to the mesmer portal will fix the portal exploit in WvW ? or will prevent a 100player bus ( or more ) to pass through it ?
Answer : NO

btw : the fractal dungeon basic idea is fun. It allow nice drop too. ONLY this part is nice.
Except that, sorry, but its a pretty huge fail.

You cant sympathize with Anet because they said they are only 2 ppl to manage the skill balance.

Seriously. Gw1 and logicaly GW2 are game based ON skill usage, i guess everyone will agree.

How can they seriously ( they are supposed to be professional, and since 2005 have the knowledge because of GW1 ) have only TWO people to manage that ?
+ they look to be totaly incompetent ( see mesmer update or ranger update )

For me they should have one people per classa and this personn should have a good knowledge of the class ( in GW1 and GW2 )

Actualy GW2 have a huge problem gameplay side.

Its a bit like a fighting game ( soul calibur / street fighter / tekken, or whatever )
Play a such game when each char have 100 differents combo will make each fight nearly unique and interesting since there will be always something new or learn to make biggest combo. You never get bored.

Play a fighting game with only 5 differents combo per character, you get bored by this game pretty fast because there is nothing new to try out, no suprise, no experimentation.
GW2 is like that for the moment.

For me they should definitely change how the skills are managed, and definitely add quiet a lot new skills.

But yeah first make more people work on the skill update to do a correct job :/

Crater.1625:

Daemon.6514:

Ok im not trying to be the dark horse in this conversation, BUT I do think exotic gear level was TO easy to obtain. I think they should continue to add ascended items but then Stop and ensure that this is the highest gear tier forever (a LONG time). This certainly gives those that want more to do some content and doesnt affect those who dont <— This is because anyone with exotics can easily make it to lvl 10 of the fractals.

Exotic items were “easy to obtain” if, and only if, you:

1) Refuse to play more than one character.
2) Refuse to play more than one build on each character.
3) Refuse to use anything other than the cheapest (profession-crafted) Exotics in the game.

For players who have a lot of time to play the game and still want advancement, there are release valves built into the game’s design everywhere. It’s like that old joke about a slowly drowning man, only in this case the punchline is replaced with “Yeah, I guess you’re right. I’ll fix that for you.”

For the rest of us, it is not easy to outfit yourself with the Exotics you need. I play four characters at level 80, and two of them have two completely separate builds that require two completely separate sets of gear. I also like to use moderately nice looking gear, instead of awful looking Pearl weapons. That means it costs at least 200g to 250g to be outfitted in Exotic equipment. That is one hell of a grind to max out, with “easy to get” Exotics.

It will be impossible for me to max out with Ascended equipment, unless I stop playing everything except one build, on one character. Ascended equipment eliminates 83% of the game for me, in one fell swoop.

Catering to players who refuse to play the game except in one specific way, forever, should not be a priority.

I cant agree more with your answer.

I myself gave up the idea of lvling other class to lvl 80, and i gave up the idea of doing serval build ( if i can really call that like that because of the weak possibilities of GW2 ) on my “main” because of the awfull farm needed to get a exotic set.
I hate the actual GW2 dungeon, and getting money is really too slow.

Which is totaly the opposite of what is supposed to be GW2.
I’am saying that after beeing a GW1 fan since 2005, and since they said they took the best part of GW1 ( liar )

Also, be happy, for the moment the various party just looking to move forward into the dungeon difficulty, wait for the moment where ascended crap are going to be mendatory in each party search.

When its going to be the case, you will be definitely screwed.

And more than screwed since ascended crap will ask you a LOT of farm ( way mooore boring farm than the exotic stuff one ) and Anet, as “smart” dev will use the ascended stuff as cornerstone for all kind of new content.

Its nice isnt it ? /sarcasm.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/More-skills-more-builds-1/first#post758896

I created a same kind of topic about that.

Iruwen.3164:

ZeroRaiNs.7154:

I don’t understand what the logic was with the recent changes.

Logic? They have two people working on like how many, ~500 skills? Those guys obviously don’t play WvW themselves, or they wouldn’t have come up with that ingenious 60s to 90s cooldown “solution” for portals in WvW. Also they don’t play mesmers, or they would have instantly noticed what the fix broke. There’s not even methodical testing required, just fooling around a bit. All that’s behind this drama is economization.

First, i will never forgive thoses people to make totaly stupid skill update, even if they are only 2.
Its their JOB, they are PAID to do that.

And i dont think destroy the player fun because of totaly unsmart update are to goal.

Also, if they arent able to correctly do their job ( like actualy ) Anet should hire somes other people ( why not at least 1 / class ). Or hire people with a real brain…

They obiviously dont play AT ALL, to do so bad job…

Its nearly worse than the skill update in GW1 where they was totaly destroying a skill or turn them OP…
I rarely saw (since 2005) smart skill update coming from Anet…. ( only a very very few )
I thought they would have learn nothing with GW1, but obviously they dont..

That’s pretty sad.

Karl McLain.5604:

Illusionary Berserker has not received a direct damage decrease. Instead, is seems that the damage reduction you (and I) are seeing is most likely associated this fix:
“Fixed a bug that caused many piercing, boomerang, and bouncing projectiles (those that hit more than 1 target) to continually increase in damage the more targets they hit.”
We are aware that this particular phantasm is now experiencing a significant drop in damage and are looking at getting it back to a more effective state.
Thanks for keeping the post civil and constructive!
-Karl

You are aware of the damage drop, so what about :

-berserker attack delay problem ( unlike all other fantasm ) if you dont use the "Phantasmal Fury " trait ?

-What about ONLY prevent the berserker fantasme spawn in Wv3 accros a stronghold wall instead of nerfing all fantasm like you did ?

-What about the portal reload increase ? who fix NOTHING in Wv3 ? ( it dont prevent massive players teleport, or dont prevent the portal -wall exploit )
what about doing a smart update instead of a none sense update who are just annoyong as hell in pve ?
(Also before your “smart” update you was able to wait the full reload time before drop your second portal. Now the first portal is deleted and the skill enter in reload 30sec BEFORE the 90sec… totaly pointless )

-What about not beeing able to spawn fantasm if we are blinded – target block – evade… etc ? who pretty break like hell the whole class mechanic ?

faceplam

LF mesmer build without any clone and fantasm since Anet kill them all.

Oh right, its not GW1 we dont have choice.

The day where Anet turn GW2 into a gear treadmill game and kill the mesmer.

gg.

They should JUST prevent beeing able to spawn a berserker in Wv3 accros a stronghold wall and THAT’s ALL.
Since that’s the only problem.

Give us back the ability to spawn fantasm like before this awfull update.

The mesmer is really so bad now…

TonySu.7942:

Please remove the Swamp. Or make it less annoying.

Totaly agree, the swamp is awfull,, ok it was everytime with a pug, but 5 time i got the swamp, and we made at least 10try, never succeed because – too much trap – thoses freaking wall who close just behind you face
And only 30secondes... can you imagine ? are you insane at Anet ? did you really try your game ?

Oh and Btw, in serval others run, the party just give up the swamp to reset the fractal.

Thanks god, the only good point about the swamp is that i always had it as first dungeon.

Also, one of the biggest problem is having to create a groupe at lion arch, are you st***d ?

Its the city with the most ppl in the game !

I’am always in this freaking overflow server, and i can nearly NEVER be in my own server.

best advise, keep the enter where it is, but allow ppl to create the group AFTER you pass the portal, and least we are going to be able to group with our own server players…

+ As pug, many are doing the lvl 1 only, many are giving up thoses fractals, many are leaving after only ONE dungeon, and you CANT, like other dungeon fill the last player slot…

Playing that for the first time, thoses dungeons are not so bad, but after a moment and because somes really bad made stuff, it turn totaly irritating.

I have saddly to agree with that.

95% of the light armor are just ugly as possible. At least GW1 had really many excelent looking light armor.
95% of the heavy armor on female just look as any ugly can of food.
Only the medium armor are not so bad.

Also, the Female Human hair cut, except 4 of they they are all awfull, terrible, ugly.
How can you have such wonderfull “world” designer, and so bad artist for the armor look / hair look.

this part is desapointing without any doubt.
( like just look at Vindictus game, female armor / look are just extremly awesome )

EDIT : Also good looking armor DONT mean half naked armor ( at least for me )

The art design, as usual in this game is just excelent. Never been desapointed with that.

The dungeons, are not very long, and that’s a good point.
Most of the time, the monster, except the boss, are not boring trash monster with 354340354 HP, so we dont have so long fight, that’s also a good points.

Somes of them have original “challenges” like playing a charr ( even if i really dont like have them as “main” char ) or underwater with the daulphin
That’s also a good point, at least, that change.

The boss look to have less HP than thoses from the others crap donjons, it do not turn into a 30min useless fight doing all the time the same thing. ( meaning : dodge, dodge or sometime dodge, click DPS skills when they are ready.. Booooring
That’s a good point too because god i freaking HATE all your others donjons they are too long, too boring as hell.

But, speaking about the boss fight its still the same problem, its BORING.
No real counter, no way to interupt their skill like GW1 allowed too, stupidly high damage without any way to really prevent that.

It’s always dumbed fight. Lack of skills – lack of build possibilities – lack of freedom ( also having to farm during WAY too many hours to get a exotic set really turn off any motivation of having serval set to try serval “build” ( i i can really call that “build” ) or lvl serval class. soo its a one class – one build game, its really not a good point compare to GW1 )

And, the main problem will still be the same, having to farm thoses dungeon a hundred time to get ONE overpowered ascended items. That’s really the most idiotistic thing of any random grind mmo like GW2 is becoming.
Freaking gear grinding game.

Except that, the dungeon for the dungeon, are way better than the others awfull ones.

But they still wont make me play days and month to farm your stupid overpowered gear, i still really HATE the idea of having my character weaken if i dont farm during month your dungeon to go back to the point where i was before this update.

And stop use the excuse :" with this gear we will introduce new gameplay mecanic….
Since its worse because this gear is supposed to fill the gap ( who wasnt there before this update ) between legenday and exotic
It mean you are going to start basing all your futur content with stuff who is very LONG to have !? so totaly forbbid player who dont like ascended farming to enjoy it…
Jesus. It’s still totaly demotivate me to continue play your game.

EDIT: just the marsh dungeon is totaly STUPID, only 30sec to bring the stuff, what the hell ? except if you have 3mesmer with a 90sec cooldown portal ( GG Anet for the worse skill “update” ever to fix nothing in WvW ) you fail 90% of the time.

Any answer about that ? or does Anet happy with the mesmer killing ?

fizzypop.6458:

http://www.gw2db.com/items/71366-red-ring-of-death

LOL !

OP

yeah sure, there isnt any gear treadmill in GW2 and this stuff is not going to be mandatory… nice joke.

also, having to farm 200h for a single item will make not want anyone do it another time for all your alt like it was possible in GW1 because you could get the best stuff very cheap.

Its going to be like in any crappest mmo, only one char, because its too boring to farm thoses stupid OP stuff…

Let’s do the event this week end, and forget this crap gear grind game right after.

Nice fail World of GuildCraft.

GADefence.5634:

Does this mean you can evade phantom summons now?

Even before you was able to evade a sommoned phatom… LOL

how many time my berserker damage failed because my target was evading…

Seriously…

no one else would like to see that ?

Confusion had always been the worse and the most useless conditions in GW2.

Too short to be usefull, and too low damage except if, by miracle, you succeed to have MIN 10stack.

In GW1 the curse skill who had the same effect as confusion WAS really usefull
( 25% of the total life if the foe was casting a spell, and about 10% of the total life if the foe was attacking, and all that during 10sec… with a 30sec reload and 10sec reload, and i dont speak about somes others skills / elite with the same function. )
You was sure to see the foe stop casting / stop attack.

Actualy, who really care about having confusion on him ? seriously.

Really awfully made and thought.
Except doing burst damage / randomly daze / group haste / feedback. ( and play at “where is charlie” ) the mesmer is good for nothing. ( very saddly )

Mek.2947:

Agreed. I loved my mesmer, but I think I’m going to play an alt until this gets fixed. It was hard enough to get the setup we needed to be effective….for the love of God I can’t figure out why this was soooooo OP before.

Just because you was able to attack somebody across a stronghold wall in WvW with the berserker
Everyone was whinning about that, so we have the nerf, and now, its really really BAD without this ability of spawning a fantasm without having the target in the line of sight.

So instead of manage smartly the problem IN WvW ( ONLY ) and IN the case of the stronghold attack, they just nerfed everything with a chainsaw like they were already doing in GW1…

Note how bad is the “skill update” they didnt even solve the portal exploit / problem in WvW.
Increase the reload wont change anything…

For god….

+1 for the beserker massive damage drop.

Also the line of sight nerf only in WvW will still make the berserker make awfull low damage.
They really should manage the problem in another way instead of turning the GS as useless weapons like the scepter – torch – focus…

Like, In WvW if you attack a stronghold holded by another server, and if the targeted foe isnt in the line of sight, make the berserker fail, or make him die right away. Since its the reason why you nerfed all fantasm like that.

Except for THIS case, make everything work like before this awfull patch.

The GW2 mesmer is already a fail compare to the GW1 one, but i couldnt imagine Anet could make it worse than actualy.

more and more and more desapointing.

(Yes i’am raging a bit because compare to the others class, its the less annoying to play with, others class are really not interesting compare to the GW1 version, so they bored me after 10min playing them )

yay, the scepter is useless, the torch more than the scepter, the focus only used for the run-bump skill, now we can delete the GS since the berserker is bad as hell.

Alright. left, staff – sword – pistol. Awesome…. -_-"

I love GW2 and his freedom…

Fungalfoot.7213:

Ultima Thule.3950:

Old dungeons will likely be adjusted to still be worthwhile, but they’re not yet sure how. They see dungeon sets as non-obsolete because of the unique appearances.

And it lets them sell us stones when we want to transfer those looks over to armors which are actually viable.

Of course its because they are selling transmutation stone. AHAH

Also, they forget to say thats its not obsolete ONLY because of the skin ( who are pretty ugly btw )

Also, if they want to “boost” the acended set stat in the more difficult area
1- why the hell did we would have to farm a new “set” since they can do that with exotic and update them

2-As Aliksyian perfectly said if gear treadmill is about to increase monster power and armor / weapons power.
We just farm a new gear to not be weaken, but to go back to the normal state. We DONT gain any power.
It make no sense at all.

So, if for them diffculty = higher number ( damage / life / armor )

I have a good idea.

Create a dungeon where all the displayed number are x2. but keep the same good exotic gear.

Like that, you enter in, you SEE 30k hp instead of 15k and you SEE 8k damage instead of 4k.
No gear treadmill but same result.

@ Kript

You missed a important point.

So far, the problem is NOT the new content, they could find out a MILLION way to make the EXACT same thing ( agony – fractal stuff ) without adding the more powered gear.

-A special enchant to drop into the dungeon.
-Create a infusion slot into the exotic gear
-Create a mechanic to infuse your actual armor against agony damage like in GW1 where you hd that after a mission

After, it wasnt a problem to create a new armor, but why didnt they just did like GW1 ( who live perfectly since 2005.. they made GW2 obiviously its because GW1, a game without ANY gear progression has worked like a charm )

They could totaly create a new excelent skin like the GW1 FOW / UW armor, or why not with somes special flashy effect. Or why not if players really want the feeling of “progression” with a special fun ability

There is MANY way of creating new content, challenge without madatoring the player who dont like that to farm a new gear during hours and hours, and days, an month.

GW1 made that perfectly, since you have actualy GW2, its because it WORKED, and Anet get enough money….

So yes, many didnt like the UNEEDED power increase of the new mandatory gear, because, once started it clearly mean they ( Anet ) are going to do it again soon when all the whinny farmer will have achieve it.

We are not allowed to spam serval dungeon group search, but the NPC can spam the say tchat like gold seller !

unfair !

OEXTRA.1780:

I’m greatly disjointed in how most of you forum gamers are behaving. Yeah sure the new armor rank has its ups and downs but why are ya’ll acting like it’s the end of the world? So what the stats are better, but not enough to make exotic obsolete. Hell I don’t even have full exotic yet, yet I have no problems completing any and all PvE content because (gasp) gear isn’t that important in this game. It helps, but this isn’t a heavily gear based game, so really as long as your build is good, and your wep is good enough, it’s all good.

Honestly, do you REALLY thing that Anet will stop the gear treadmill with the ascended set ? dont be so naive. They wont never stop. In 4-5month it will have another dungeon with another more powerfull gear, mandatory farm here we are.

They started down the road of the most annoying thing of ALL MMOs after only 3 months, and especialy after selling their own game as a mmo where you dont have to grind gear.

And that’s the real problem.

Saying : “if you hate mmo, you should definitely check at GW2” Oh yeah ? i hate mmo ( because they all are about gear grind ) i check GW2 and…. tadammm oooh gear grind !

LordGustoff.3752:

aocypher.9172:

LordGustoff.3752:

Though, now that I have had time to think about it… is it possible that the stats on the infusions only take effect when in the Fractals? In which case this is perfectly fine. Infusions wouldn’t affect PvE or PvP/WvW… you would only need better infusions to do Fractal OMFGHARDMODE

According to the pic, even if infusions were fractals only the base stats on ascended gear is already higher than a fully upgraded exotic equivilent.

Point. Counterpoint:
The Fractals dungeon is only available in the new level 80 area, which means that exotics have to be enough in order to play in the area. People doing the dungeon for the first time will only have exotic gear, so the ascended gear is still only neccssary for Hard Mode. Also, it has been stated that the difficultly for the dungeon resets every week, mean every week you start at level 1 difficulty; again no need for the gera if you don’t want to. So, still not effect as of yet on PvE, only the dungeon, only hard mode. The only people who should have a gripe with the new gear are WvWorlders

Even better !

It mean its nearly mantadory have a full exotic to enter this dungeons ( it mean loosing hours, and hours or many many gold ) to finaly trash all your work to farm this ascended set.

Ahha !

200% gear treadmill. You gated the content like a master chief.

Excelent work Anet. ( irony inside )

/voted, Iberserker definitely loose a lot of damage because if this update…

Very annoying…

Raiza.6538:

Well I just messed around with the nerfs and Im heavily dissapointed.. My IZerker seems to be doing less damage than normal (600-1k Crit instead of 3-5k depending on crits). It also blows that the Zerker and any other phantasms for that matter can fail and start full CD while clones still pop on anything Invulnerable or dodging, have yet to try blinded but im sure its the same. I can understand the LoS although I did enjoy it and I think something that fragile wouldnt be so game breaking when it gets 2 shotted by a butter knife.

Time to start rethinking my build. To bad a Mesmer in the right hands can be amazing and so we’re penalized for it.

Same here, i made somes test, the max crit still look the same for me, but it look like too the the berserker make more often a very small amount of damage compare to the pre-nerf. Its really annoying….

Like he made servan Crit at only 800… thing who NEVER happend before, and only made something like 400damage.. same thing never happend before :/

Bad nerf, that create new bug who will certainly never solved…

VERY good job Anet… ( irony inside )

Is there a Bug ? i cant create a Panda character ?