I stated this a long time ago. I pointed out that pvp has allot of potential but it has to do some things in order to be competitive. First, balance needs to stop involving increasing sustain. Players should lose because they made bad choices. Right now a player can blow all their Cool downs and recover thanks to passive traits that help them stay alive or simply having too much continuous healing. Second, Pvp needs to offer rewards in currency not items for the PVE players sake. Players need to have a reason to rank up without feeling they have to do it for in game content. Third, the player community needs to be heard and addressed routinely as in once a month at least with regard to balance. The result, 1) players have classes that are not overly forgiving. Now ranking up has meaning skill wise and it is not just the player with the team vs the players without a team in solo que. 2) players will be able to play pvp without feeling like it is extra pve content for gear. Furthermore cash is a great motivator for doing pvp players will love working out their mind if they get rich off of it. 3) This is a give-in and the reason the community complains. League of legends gets few balance complaints and is often praised for its balance. Does league have overpowered classes? Of course they do. But they jump on them and balance them right away with regular updates. If the balance team shows effort to make regular balance changes to their game player satisfaction will go up.
I always point this out: By succeeding in GW2 pvp, the game will rack in allot of money. It helps the players be happy and helps the game make money.
I wouldn’t call the few people typing on the forums the player community, if they want to hear what the community has to say they should have some type of in game poll, because half the things people on the forum wants isn’t what the majority of players want and I think that’s why things are as bad as they are or at least part of the reason, because certain individuals who like to complain about builds and professions that they don’t play and want to get them all nerfed so theirs will be the strongest REALLY messes things up for the rest of the people playing this game. I for one think we need more support builds, I hate getting 1 shotted it’s not fun, and I’m sure newer players hate it even more because they will never learn how to play if they stay dead 100% of the time.
I just don’t understand how they’re still employing the same people…. they’ve had the same problems with negative progress for freaking years! That is complete nonsense
More then likely from upper management mismanagement of the funding of this game. I’ll be willing to be that upper management pocketed too much money to the point the Devs simple have a very limited funding to make progress on this game.
I don’t think that’s a good reason or excuse for them to keep making changes to the game that only make the game worse, the game was ok in the beginning, they just go backwards rather than forward in every change that they make to it.
Yea after they removed those amulets, build diversity went away and fun builds went away too, like shoutbow warrior which was 1 of my favorite actual fun builds . Now I no longer play warr. We still have supposed support builds but they are all crap and boring as heck.
I’ve noticed that too, every time you post something the same few people comment on it just to talk crap and cause a lot of unnecessary drama .
I’ve noticed too that you have the same people defending this, MMR hell, Premade = Sure win, Unfair matchmaking, etc.
If something’s not fair or right people are gonna speak out against it, you can try as hard as you want to shut them up, goodluck with that. Maybe if certain people weren’t so afraid that matches would actually become fair and even and stop their easy wins & make them actually work for it, things would be much quieter and happier and chillaxed than they are.
Unfair is subjective.
Don’t you guys realize you are the same people who are complaining about anything?
You even said yourself that you dont pvp that much, and you wanna talk about fair?
Seriously I hate to say this but I think it’s time to get good. PvP is competitive, you cant just whine all the time and wait for a miracle to happen. You have to work for it.
Don’t put words in my fingers, I never said anything of the sort so don’t try to speak for me, I said I’ve been pvping since this game came out, pvp is pretty much all I ever did in this game, and ranked used to be all I played until leagues turned me off to it still play ranked on my alt a bit but on my main unranked. That’s what I said. And before leagues came along I always had a really high win rate. A lot of the older players that have been playing as long as I have already left, what we have left mostly is newer players that got easy wins thanks to our new and not so improved match making system and the putting organized premades against pugs. So I think it’s cool if easy wins thanks to a premade and high mmr makes certain people feel pro and therefore good about themselves, hey whatever raises the self esteem, I’m not gonna judge too much.
But yea separating team and solo queue and giving some type of a super cool reward for the team queue would be alright, I’d even try the team queue thing at least until some one started calling me names and stuff and or kicking me from the team, after that I’d never try it again since I play games for fun and not for to be stressed out and made to feel like crap.
It’s up to you to lose your cool. I am assuming you are an adult. You know you can just ignore/block/move on right?
Seriously, the forums are sounding like a “wah wah wah wah wah, I want some candy” kind of scene
You know what? you are only stressing yourself.
And this is why I don’t like dealing with people…..most of them are like you. I’m better off keeping to myself and playing alone.
I’ve noticed that too, every time you post something the same few people comment on it just to talk crap and cause a lot of unnecessary drama .
I’ve noticed too that you have the same people defending this, MMR hell, Premade = Sure win, Unfair matchmaking, etc.
If something’s not fair or right people are gonna speak out against it, you can try as hard as you want to shut them up, goodluck with that. Maybe if certain people weren’t so afraid that matches would actually become fair and even and stop their easy wins & make them actually work for it, things would be much quieter and happier and chillaxed than they are.
But yea separating team and solo queue and giving some type of a super cool reward for the team queue would be alright, I’d even try the team queue thing at least until some one started calling me names and stuff and or kicking me from the team, after that I’d never try it again since I play games for fun and not for to be stressed out and made to feel like crap.
I really hate that everyone thinks it’s ok for solo players, which are the majority, to have unfair matches against organized teams where the solo players usually get slaughtered JUST so the few teams that are out there can have faster queue times. That’s just not right. Fair match or no match. ( a lot of people go afk in extremely horrible matches where they just get continuously slaughtered anyways) I also saw a post where people said sometimes they don’t even try to win in ranked, most likely because they have a premade team so it won’t be hard for them to raise their tanked mmr back up whenever they feel like it or to win since they have a reliable team to do that with, so some 4 person or under premades make solo players that end up on their teams lose which really makes it difficult for the solo player to win from that point on since they will be getting put on worse teams because of lower mmr. So yea team queue and solo queue REALLY needs to be split otherwise solo players will never get fair matches, and what’s the point in playing in unfair matches where you are just gonna be some one’s crop to be farmed so they can advance while you never will, there’s no point in playing matches like that idc if they offered you a million dollars to compete in such matches, you’ll never be able to win so there is no point in it.
Well the population can’t support both team queue and solo queue. And if the rewards are the same for both, people will take the easiest/fastest route and go solo queue, creating ridiculous queue times.
You also can’t remove team queue, because telling people they can’t play with their friends in a mmo 5v5 pvp match is just plain ridiculous.
So given those options, what do you propose to do?
Like I said many times before and like many others have also said, split them like they were in the beginning, if people want to play as a team and there’s not a lot of others playing as a team then they’l just have to wait longer or join solo queue, at least matches would be fairer which is a lot better than they are right now. Have you ever wondered why the pvp community is so small? It could have something to do with non fair, non competitive, non fun matches, or at least partly to do with that. I know there’s many other things but that definitely is a part of the reason.
Can’t do that, we’ve already established the population can’t support split queues. And PvP population was small before they split the queues.
Oh in that case if pvp is way too extremely small they should just get rid of team queue since less people play as a team and more play solo, easy fix. I’m sure people won’t suffer too much if they have to go up against their buddies in a pvp match. You’re just running off people from the majority anyways whenever they see how lame pvp is because of the constant slaughters they have to endure, while never actually getting to play.
I’m just going to leave off with this statement for solo players.
ANet and the privileged of the bads, have made it clear “your KIND is not welcomed here. Go find another game to enjoy. If you want fair matches as a casual solo queuer no matter how good you actually are. So just stop whining, continued getting farmed like the cattle you are, or leave, by the way don’t let the door hit you on the way out”
Well, I’m waiting for sea of thieves to come out. If I can run it on my whack computer I’ll probably play that since I’m a sucker for a good pirate game. But I’ve spent way too much money on this game to just leave it forever so stop trying to kick me out -_-
I really hate that everyone thinks it’s ok for solo players, which are the majority, to have unfair matches against organized teams where the solo players usually get slaughtered JUST so the few teams that are out there can have faster queue times. That’s just not right. Fair match or no match. ( a lot of people go afk in extremely horrible matches where they just get continuously slaughtered anyways) I also saw a post where people said sometimes they don’t even try to win in ranked, most likely because they have a premade team so it won’t be hard for them to raise their tanked mmr back up whenever they feel like it or to win since they have a reliable team to do that with, so some 4 person or under premades make solo players that end up on their teams lose which really makes it difficult for the solo player to win from that point on since they will be getting put on worse teams because of lower mmr. So yea team queue and solo queue REALLY needs to be split otherwise solo players will never get fair matches, and what’s the point in playing in unfair matches where you are just gonna be some one’s crop to be farmed so they can advance while you never will, there’s no point in playing matches like that idc if they offered you a million dollars to compete in such matches, you’ll never be able to win so there is no point in it.
So why is it I can strictly solo Q and still beat full teams? Im not beating esl level teams or anything like that and even if I had a team I wouldn’t win…… but I am beating teams as a solo Q player.
Duh you’re getting put on good teams, something lower mmr players don’t have the pleasure of, and probably put against some of those teams that don’t try that hard to win ( I feel sorry for the poor solo players who get put on teams with these kinds of premades) Everyone knows SOME premades suck, but most organized decent premades will slaughter your average solo player team. If I had the choice I’d never be put on a team with a premade or against a premade, that’s how I want to play, I don’t think it’s too much to ask.
I really hate that everyone thinks it’s ok for solo players, which are the majority, to have unfair matches against organized teams where the solo players usually get slaughtered JUST so the few teams that are out there can have faster queue times. That’s just not right. Fair match or no match. ( a lot of people go afk in extremely horrible matches where they just get continuously slaughtered anyways) I also saw a post where people said sometimes they don’t even try to win in ranked, most likely because they have a premade team so it won’t be hard for them to raise their tanked mmr back up whenever they feel like it or to win since they have a reliable team to do that with, so some 4 person or under premades make solo players that end up on their teams lose which really makes it difficult for the solo player to win from that point on since they will be getting put on worse teams because of lower mmr. So yea team queue and solo queue REALLY needs to be split otherwise solo players will never get fair matches, and what’s the point in playing in unfair matches where you are just gonna be some one’s crop to be farmed so they can advance while you never will, there’s no point in playing matches like that idc if they offered you a million dollars to compete in such matches, you’ll never be able to win so there is no point in it.
Well the population can’t support both team queue and solo queue. And if the rewards are the same for both, people will take the easiest/fastest route and go solo queue, creating ridiculous queue times.
You also can’t remove team queue, because telling people they can’t play with their friends in a mmo 5v5 pvp match is just plain ridiculous.
So given those options, what do you propose to do?
Like I said many times before and like many others have also said, split them like they were in the beginning, if people want to play as a team and there’s not a lot of others playing as a team then they’l just have to wait longer or join solo queue, at least matches would be fairer which is a lot better than they are right now. Have you ever wondered why the pvp community is so small? It could have something to do with non fair, non competitive, non fun matches, or at least partly to do with that. I know there’s many other things but that definitely is a part of the reason.
I really hate that everyone thinks it’s ok for solo players, which are the majority, to have unfair matches against organized teams where the solo players usually get slaughtered JUST so the few teams that are out there can have faster queue times. That’s just not right. Fair match or no match. ( a lot of people go afk in extremely horrible matches where they just get continuously slaughtered anyways) I also saw a post where people said sometimes they don’t even try to win in ranked, most likely because they have a premade team so it won’t be hard for them to raise their tanked mmr back up whenever they feel like it or to win since they have a reliable team to do that with, so some 4 person or under premades make solo players that end up on their teams lose which really makes it difficult for the solo player to win from that point on since they will be getting put on worse teams because of lower mmr. So yea team queue and solo queue REALLY needs to be split otherwise solo players will never get fair matches, and what’s the point in playing in unfair matches where you are just gonna be some one’s crop to be farmed so they can advance while you never will, there’s no point in playing matches like that idc if they offered you a million dollars to compete in such matches, you’ll never be able to win so there is no point in it.
Chop down a bunch of trees and mine some ores and sell it all, also yea do world bosses, especially Tequatle and salvage everything you get from the world boss chests and sell it all.
I kinda don’t believe that, if they aren’t gonna bother trying why even play in ranked when unranked exists?
For the achievements or because they enjoy playing ranked, or they wanna play with friends who want to play ranked.
It’s pretty obvious that, if your goal was to get to diamond, and you achieved it, you won’t tryhard in early diamond. Wether you win or lose, you already had what you came for.
And even if you want to climb to legendary, and you are early diamond, it’s the perfect spot to just play and chill before you re enter tryhard mode. You don’t have much to lose anyway.
Well I see a lot of people in unranked who got their wings already and got tired of trying hard in ranked so it just seems everyone who doesn’t wanna try that hard anymore would just play in unranked since it’s more easy going there, and losing in ranked is gonna tank your mmr and give you worse teammates if you’re a solo player. ( but maybe these people presumingly not trying in ranked have a premade, in that case it would make sense, and just another reason why they should split premades from solo players)
it is the same for all divisions when you are almost about to graduate into the next division. why ?
if you are
amber, almost emerald, maybe some low tiers emerald may not try that hard to win
emerald, almost sapphire, some low tiers sapphires may not care much
sapphire, almost ruby, many low tier rubies may be happy in ruby and not try hard
ruby, almost diamond, even more low tier diamonds are contented in low diamond
diamond, almost legendary, i daresay most casual legends do not bother
well you get the idea right ?
I kinda don’t believe that, if they aren’t gonna bother trying why even play in ranked when unranked exists?
I do agree though that people stop trying whenever it’s obvious that they have absolutely no chance of winning a match & get tired of being slaughtered, but not just in certain tiers or whatever, but pretty much in every match in ranked and unranked.
Well, I can only speak for myself and I’d say yes, and from what I’ve been reading some people don’t even make it to diamond without a premade. All I can say is try until you don’t feel like trying anymore and see what happens, but having an organized premade does greatly raise your chances of winning especially in higher divisions.
I want an option for massive boobs. Because I have them IRL so I’d like to be able to properly represent myself in game. I feel that the current options are discriminatory to those of us who have been amply blessed in the chest department and I’d like more armour options to show them off.
I second that! Not all of us are teeny tiny scrawny curveless stick figures and dress like nuns, let us be how we are in real life with body shape AND armor/outfit styles, please.
Well In season 1, I got to diamond easily and pretty quickly solo queueing, but after I got to diamond I couldn’t hardly win anymore, which apparently tanked my mmr to the point that I couldn’t win any more in the next season either. So yea in my case there is something up with diamond not sure what it is though but it’s hard or impossible to win once you get there or at least in my case anyways. (I think it’s because I’m a solo player and most of the enemy teams were organized premades)
Bring back solo queue please, since the majority plays solo they won’t have long wait times anyways, and I think they deserve a fair match with and against other solo players. And removing mmr from match making would be a very good improvement too, I never understood and never will understand how intentionally matching a better team against a weaker team made any sense, it always ends in a slaughter and that’s not fun, competitive matches are a lot more fun and worth doing.
Me too, please give me this build you speak of because the metabattles ele build doesn’t work for me very well, I tend to die very easily with it. Heck if you have a build that really does all that and I try it and it works I’ll even pay you for it.
Please get rid of the forced 50% winrate. My friend list is already full of triple digit AP people who I know I won’t be facing on the other team unless I lost enough. I had a big winning streak last week and now it’s tanking. Everyone is either too new or too good. I put someone on my list just for being a base game thief (you can tell from the dodges). I blocked out the names and even the AP (not all of them low) but wanted to show why I have the list if you read the nicknames. The ones without a nickname I blocked out since this isn’t a shaming post but a what I have to deal with post.
NO!
Leave unranked as it is. The matchmaking is fair, unlike the leagues. Mess with it now, you can kiss the pvp playerbase goodbye.
Agreed, if they mess up unranked as much as ranked is there’s not gonna be any place left for people who want a chance of a fair match to play anymore.
If you need to ask a question related to a profession it would probably be wiser to ask in the profession section of the forums, you will most likely be able to ask there without being made fun of and ridiculed, (unless some one is stalking your posts for such intentions, which does happen from time to time in this lovely wonderful pvp community). But yea try the profession section of the forums, they would probably be more helpful and kinder
Thanks for the armor reward track. Please keep adding more reward tracks like these, maybe some more tribal armors in different versions, some that show more skin, and with antlers as a head piece.
It is funny how opinionated you are about a game mode you don’t hardly participate in. Do you spend your time writing Amazon reviews for products you don’t have too?
I believe that we should be on whatever rank the matchmaker chooses for us since it’s a team game and you are only as good as your weakest link. So if the match makers picks you good teammates(thanks to high mmr) that contribute and help you to win you should be like diamond or higher, and if it decides you should get the worst players in the game as your teammates who have no desire to capture points(thanks to low mmr) then you should be around amber or emerald, and if it decides you should get average players who know how to play but just not very good at team work you should be sapphire or ruby.
And if you have an organized premade team, then there’s no excuse for not being legendary( especially if you’re a 4 person premade, because those get to farm unorganized solo players)
As for me, on my main account that has HoT I’m very happy with not having any pvp rank tag at all, I’m like totally ecstatic about that actually, and if they never give us an option of removing that dreadfully ugly tag I’ll never play ranked again, not like I want to anyways since my mmr is rock bottom….
Goodluck with your survey!
Oh sweety, but I did participate in leagues (got to diamond in season 1) at least enough to see my very high win rate go down to a 0 % win rate, then started reading forums and found out about mmr which I had no clue what it was and how it screws you over when it gets too low, THEN decided to not play it any more (except for on my alt account, still play ranked on my alt some since I don’t care if I have an ugly pvp tag on that account)
Oh and I’ve been playing ranked pvp since this game came out, so don’t say I don’t participate….
I believe that we should be on whatever rank the matchmaker chooses for us since it’s a team game and you are only as good as your weakest link. So if the match makers picks you good teammates(thanks to high mmr) that contribute and help you to win you should be like diamond or higher, and if it decides you should get the worst players in the game as your teammates who have no desire to capture points(thanks to low mmr) then you should be around amber or emerald, and if it decides you should get average players who know how to play but just not very good at team work you should be sapphire or ruby.
And if you have an organized premade team, then there’s no excuse for not being legendary( especially if you’re a 4 person premade, because those get to farm unorganized solo players)
As for me, on my main account that has HoT I’m very happy with not having any pvp rank tag at all, I’m like totally ecstatic about that actually, and if they never give us an option of removing that dreadfully ugly tag I’ll never play ranked again, not like I want to anyways since my mmr is rock bottom….
Goodluck with your survey!
I think they should add a system to the game like Fable has, if you eat things like vegetables you get skinnier and if you eat things like pie you get fatter. That would be amazing and make it feel more real. Every time some one puts out a plate of pies on the game I just stand there and keep clicking on it eating as many as I can and just thinking, kitten why ain’t she getting chubbier this is not very realistic at all, if I ate a whole plate of pies in real life I’d probably gain like 10 pounds.
The people you’re killing on your necro probably don’t know how to handle the necro.
The same is true with eles. Yes, it is a tanky build, but it’s by no means unkillable. And to achieve that level of tankiness, it has to sacrifice most of the class’ damage potential.
I’ve played the supposed “hard counters” to tank eles (Necro Scepter, Thief S/D). The result is that it usually only takes 2-3 of us to down the ele. If they’re particularly bad, I can do it myself on a hard counter. But vs. a skilled tank ele player, it often takes 2 hard counter classes. When you have to plan 2 hard counters to 1 player, that results in a strategic imbalance, because those 2 often have to give up other abilities or strengths.
I’ve played against good and bad tank eles. The bad ones can only handle 2 people, if there’s enough CC. The good ones? I’ve seen tank close to 4 at a time (for about 30 seconds), assuming nobody’s helping them.
Unless those 4 people don’t know what they’re doing, it’s much less than 30 seconds. Specifically, it’s until obsidian flesh ends. If you said 3, i’d believe you, assuming ele is a bit more skilled (depending on class composition, and if there’s no cc flying around – but then, lately there’s always some cc flying around), but 4 people focusing properly are going to kill that ele very fast, unless they are really bad.
The best ele I’ve played against (#1 on the leaderboards right now, FYI) could tank 4 people by herself pretty handily. She might have to leave the point to return a little bit later, but generally won’t die unless there are 2 or more hard counters. The worst I’ve played against could handle 2 decent players who weren’t hard counters. Obviously there is variation based on skill, but a single player shouldn’t be able to make the entire match lopsided.
Really? By most accounts N+1 gameplay is considered bad, largely as I understand it because N+1 gameplay fails to reward a player for skill.
Yea I don’t know what game you guys are playing but I’ve never seen an ele do that, not this season, most that I come across are very squishy. The most annoying things imo are druids with their constant seemingly non-stop cc spam AND healing,not to mention they can actually kill something.
Have you ever played against ele?
And yeah, druids is pretty broken too. Can’t fight them, can’t fight their pet. Only chance against druids is to reroll as ele or herald.
Yea like i’ve said, I’ve played against ele I’ve played as ele and i’ve had ele’s on my team….. none of them were very tanky, and didn’t keep anything alive either and sure as heck didn’t kill anything. You guys must be talking about ele’s in legendary or ele’s that have a premade team. I’m a solo player.
I also play solo queue, but I’m in legendary rank. Low levels were generally a joke until Diamond rank (nobody is particularly good at strategy at low levels), and after I hit Diamond and Legendary, you simply could not afford to not bring a hard counter to ele tanks, unless you brought your own ele tank(s).
So far I haven’t seen any really good ele’s that actually help keep their teammates alive & can survive too long against more than 1 person, usually if 2 people attack them simultaneously they die pretty fast( since I’m not in legendary and don’t play on premades) But if they do exist some where, I think that’s a good thing. I’d be VERY happy if I had some one on my team like that, all this going in and party wiping in 2 seconds rez go in die fast again and repeat over and over and over thing is incredibly boring and really makes me not enjoy playing. I find games that allow me to stay alive long enough to at least cast a few times way more fun. This game used to have MANY viable healer/supporters and they all got nerfed into non existence, they should un nerf all the support builds on various classes so we can have more of that and so ele’s who don’t want to play support don’t have to. Like I’ve said many times before, all the things that got nerfed over the years should get un nerfed so people can have a lot more builds to choose from on each profession, and put back all the amulets and runes that got removed. All the core skills/builds that have been nerfed to death REALLY need to be un nerfed since HoT builds are way stronger.
You’d be amazed, if you played from release of the core game. A lot of stuff has been buffed, particularly conditions. Originally, zerk meta was the only realistic way to do appreciable amounts of damage (and there was just as much condi/projectile hate back then too). There’s a couple core builds that are still viable today, and some have only slight changes with HoT. The current meditrapper build is actually just a reincarnation of the meditation build before HoT. There’s a necro build that uses only core skills that is highly rated on metabattle. The thief meta is just a slightly modified pre-HoT meta. There’s a condi engineer build that’s still viable since they changed condis pre-HoT. I wouldn’t say they’ve nerfed a lot, just the stuff that’s been OP. HoT adds some power creep though, which is never a good thing, because it begets more power creep.
And the eles you’re playing aren’t particularly good if they can’t handle 1 person on a tank build (especially given the current broken nature of tanks). That’s downright awful.
I have been playing since release, I bought this game and started playing it on the day that it got released. And I had WAY more fun builds back then, also had many options that all worked very well, and I was very good at some of the support builds they had back then which no 1 uses now because they were nerfed to death, and amulets got removed. There’s no where near as many viable options now as there used to be, and the current builds everyone uses aren’t that fun imo. Not to mention solo queue and team queue were separate, so I wasn’t farmed by organized premades while playing as a solo player with a random pug team.
Still waiting for some sexy skin-showing outfit to be added to the gem store, come on it’s summer let us show some skin, people are proud of their tattoos, fur patterns, and glow patterns, let them show it off. And plz new dance books with some actual cool dances, just look at gw1 dances for inspiration.
I have come across the problem of liking one gender’s version of an outfit for a character, but it not being the one that that character can wear.
What I think would be a great idea is the ability to choose between the male and female versions of an outfit for either gender character.
I second that. That would make a LOT of people happy if they could wear both versions of an outfit.
The people you’re killing on your necro probably don’t know how to handle the necro.
The same is true with eles. Yes, it is a tanky build, but it’s by no means unkillable. And to achieve that level of tankiness, it has to sacrifice most of the class’ damage potential.
I’ve played the supposed “hard counters” to tank eles (Necro Scepter, Thief S/D). The result is that it usually only takes 2-3 of us to down the ele. If they’re particularly bad, I can do it myself on a hard counter. But vs. a skilled tank ele player, it often takes 2 hard counter classes. When you have to plan 2 hard counters to 1 player, that results in a strategic imbalance, because those 2 often have to give up other abilities or strengths.
I’ve played against good and bad tank eles. The bad ones can only handle 2 people, if there’s enough CC. The good ones? I’ve seen tank close to 4 at a time (for about 30 seconds), assuming nobody’s helping them.
Unless those 4 people don’t know what they’re doing, it’s much less than 30 seconds. Specifically, it’s until obsidian flesh ends. If you said 3, i’d believe you, assuming ele is a bit more skilled (depending on class composition, and if there’s no cc flying around – but then, lately there’s always some cc flying around), but 4 people focusing properly are going to kill that ele very fast, unless they are really bad.
The best ele I’ve played against (#1 on the leaderboards right now, FYI) could tank 4 people by herself pretty handily. She might have to leave the point to return a little bit later, but generally won’t die unless there are 2 or more hard counters. The worst I’ve played against could handle 2 decent players who weren’t hard counters. Obviously there is variation based on skill, but a single player shouldn’t be able to make the entire match lopsided.
Really? By most accounts N+1 gameplay is considered bad, largely as I understand it because N+1 gameplay fails to reward a player for skill.
Yea I don’t know what game you guys are playing but I’ve never seen an ele do that, not this season, most that I come across are very squishy. The most annoying things imo are druids with their constant seemingly non-stop cc spam AND healing,not to mention they can actually kill something.
Have you ever played against ele?
And yeah, druids is pretty broken too. Can’t fight them, can’t fight their pet. Only chance against druids is to reroll as ele or herald.
Yea like i’ve said, I’ve played against ele I’ve played as ele and i’ve had ele’s on my team….. none of them were very tanky, and didn’t keep anything alive either and sure as heck didn’t kill anything. You guys must be talking about ele’s in legendary or ele’s that have a premade team. I’m a solo player.
I also play solo queue, but I’m in legendary rank. Low levels were generally a joke until Diamond rank (nobody is particularly good at strategy at low levels), and after I hit Diamond and Legendary, you simply could not afford to not bring a hard counter to ele tanks, unless you brought your own ele tank(s).
So far I haven’t seen any really good ele’s that actually help keep their teammates alive & can survive too long against more than 1 person, usually if 2 people attack them simultaneously they die pretty fast( since I’m not in legendary and don’t play on premades) But if they do exist some where, I think that’s a good thing. I’d be VERY happy if I had some one on my team like that, all this going in and party wiping in 2 seconds rez go in die fast again and repeat over and over and over thing is incredibly boring and really makes me not enjoy playing. I find games that allow me to stay alive long enough to at least cast a few times way more fun. This game used to have MANY viable healer/supporters and they all got nerfed into non existence, they should un nerf all the support builds on various classes so we can have more of that and so ele’s who don’t want to play support don’t have to. Like I’ve said many times before, all the things that got nerfed over the years should get un nerfed so people can have a lot more builds to choose from on each profession, and put back all the amulets and runes that got removed. All the core skills/builds that have been nerfed to death REALLY need to be un nerfed since HoT builds are way stronger.
Yea I don’t know what game you guys are playing but I’ve never seen an ele do that, not this season, most that I come across are very squishy. The most annoying things imo are druids with their constant seemingly non-stop cc spam AND healing,not to mention they can actually kill something.
Have you ever played against ele?
And yeah, druids is pretty broken too. Can’t fight them, can’t fight their pet. Only chance against druids is to reroll as ele or herald.
Yea like i’ve said, I’ve played against ele I’ve played as ele and i’ve had ele’s on my team….. none of them were very tanky, and didn’t keep anything alive either and sure as heck didn’t kill anything. You guys must be talking about ele’s in legendary or ele’s that have a premade team. I’m a solo player.
I’ve seen Tempest tanks merrily tank 3 skilled players by themselves.
I would hesitate to say that three players, assuming they’re not also aurabot tempests or healer druids failing to kill one tempest are as “skilled” as you want to believe.
All you need is 1 good necro to take out a tempest, my reaper sometimes solo kills 2 people at a time and quite easily.
You’re playing against some bad tempests then. All the ones I’ve fought on my necro can happily tank them (yes, I am using meta corruption builds and scepter auto attack) and then they kite away whenever they feel remotely threatened.
I would hesitate to say that three players, assuming they’re not also aurabot tempests or healer druids failing to kill one tempest are as “skilled” as you want to believe.
Ever played against Gin Heartily, #2 on the leaderboards last I checked? She runs some kind of staff tank build (I don’t know the specifics). I’ve seen CC hell warriors and meta necros stack on her… and she just tanks it all.
That just means that particular ele is better at his/her job than you are at yours, it happens. Maybe they’ve been playing longer than you or are just naturally better at the game than you, but it doesn’t mean EVERY ele in the game is as super pro as the one/ ones you are talking about. Most ele’s I’ve come across, including my own are very squishy.
I’m not denying that that’s possible, but the problem is that a single player shouldn’t be able to handle more than 2 players at a time, regardless of skill level. It makes the game ultimately dull.
Handle 2 players at once….what about my reaper who can not only handle/uselessly tank but can actually kill 2 players at once? Heck if we’re gonna get rid of 1 thing that people call over powered we might as well get rid of them all. Tbh I hate playing ele, I’m never very successful with it, I think it needs buffs, the current ele build everyone is using doesn’t kill anything and if you’re not REALLY good at it and have an organized premade to back you up it’s even difficult to stay alive on it. So yea I’d say the most successful tempests are the ones who have their own organized team the rest not so great. And anyone who has a really good organized premade is gonna beat most of their opponents, that’s something a lot of people seem to over look whenever they complain about a certain class/ build being over powered.
The people you’re killing on your necro probably don’t know how to handle the necro. That’s a matter of experience. I’m talking builds that require relatively little experience but can still tank 2+ people, and be obnoxious enough to add CC’s and condi to the mix.
I’ve played against good and bad tank eles. The bad ones can only handle 2 people, if there’s enough CC. The good ones? I’ve seen tank close to 4 at a time (for about 30 seconds), assuming nobody’s helping them.
Only 4 and only for 30 sec? Those aren’t “good ones”. Those are average ones.
Yea I don’t know what game you guys are playing but I’ve never seen an ele do that, not this season, most that I come across are very squishy. The most annoying things imo are druids with their constant seemingly non-stop cc spam AND healing,not to mention they can actually kill something.
Yet you keep posting. The numbers don’t lie. I have 41% win rate in ranked. That isn’t good. I’m under 50% win for this season yet I’ve made it to diamond. I was most definitely not carried their on the wings of Lord Helseth.
I ended up with some poor matches and some favorable ones. The match maker will give you fairly decent matches if you don’t try and game the system and play consistently.
That statement is only true if you want to be carried by everyone else. However, I disagree. You can do just fine solo queue. I don’t have good MMR and I’m still advancing.
You either have to be in a good premade team or have high mmr which puts you on the predetermined winning team. With low mmr you get put on the team that’s predetermined to lose, so yea if that’s happening a lot your only hope is to be in a good premade team. ( this is common knowledge to most by now, even to those who don’t wanna admit it but yea most people know this after observing/participating in all 3 league seasons)
You say you have bad mmr but that don’t mean you actually do.
Dude, I don’t need some kitteny Mr know it all speaking for me, and I’m sure no 1 else who has had the same experience as I have needs you speaking for them either, MMR has a big impact on if you win or lose, low mmr= you get the crappyest teammates in the game while being put against a team that isn’t so crappy. High mmr = you get put on a good team while being put against a crappy team. It’s not rocket science, and I don’t feel like arguing with you, there’s plenty of others around suffering from mmr hell, so if you’re REALLY in the arguing mood go argue with them. Kthxbai.
Yea and I have some ocean front property in Arizona that I’d be happy to sell to you and anyone who believes you.
That statement is only true if you want to be carried by everyone else. However, I disagree. You can do just fine solo queue. I don’t have good MMR and I’m still advancing.
You either have to be in a good premade team or have high mmr which puts you on the predetermined winning team. With low mmr you get put on the team that’s predetermined to lose, so yea if that’s happening a lot your only hope is to be in a good premade team. ( this is common knowledge to most by now, even to those who don’t wanna admit it but yea most people know this after observing/participating in all 3 league seasons)
You say you have bad mmr but that don’t mean you actually do.
Dude, I don’t need some kitteny Mr know it all speaking for me, and I’m sure no 1 else who has had the same experience as I have needs you speaking for them either, MMR has a big impact on if you win or lose, low mmr= you get the crappyest teammates in the game while being put against a team that isn’t so crappy. High mmr = you get put on a good team while being put against a crappy team. It’s not rocket science, and I don’t feel like arguing with you, there’s plenty of others around suffering from mmr hell, so if you’re REALLY in the arguing mood go argue with them. Kthxbai.
That statement is only true if you want to be carried by everyone else. However, I disagree. You can do just fine solo queue. I don’t have good MMR and I’m still advancing.
You either have to be in a good premade team or have high mmr which puts you on the predetermined winning team. With low mmr you get put on the team that’s predetermined to lose, so yea if that’s happening a lot your only hope is to be in a good premade team. ( this is common knowledge to most by now, even to those who don’t wanna admit it but yea most people know this after observing/participating in all 3 league seasons)
You say you have bad mmr but that don’t mean you actually do.
You either have to be in a good premade team or have high mmr which puts you on the predetermined winning team. With low mmr you get put on the team that’s predetermined to lose, so yea if that’s happening a lot your only hope is to be in a good premade team. ( this is common knowledge to most by now, even to those who don’t wanna admit it but yea most people know this after observing/participating in all 3 league seasons)
What some people have already said, and partly the reason why for the most part I had moved on from gw2. This whole community is a buncha of whiney, hand holding bunche of whiners I have ever seen. What’s worse is the developers will listen to everything the town cryers say. As again people have mentioned, none of you all will be satisfied until EVERYTHING is nerfed into the ground. People complain of the lack of build diversity yet don’t understand that it was their or their own peers constant belly aching that has made the pvp scene what it is today. Anet’s desire to please everyone. Honestly alot of things before all this nonsensical kitten could have been left alone. Yet Anet wants to please everyone, but in the pleasing lose people anyway who weren’t even complaining about alot of things to begin with. And it will continue until PVP is nerfed into the ground.
Couldn’t have said it better. What this game needs is dev’s who know how to make a game and not listen to whiners that just gets a game destroyed. It was a million times better in the beginning than it is now, never close to as fun as gw1 pvp for various reasons, but a WHOLE lot better than it is currently.
Take notes…. if you wanna farm solo players as an organized premade, only bring 4 people with you in your premade, otherwise you’ll have to fight another premade and actually have a fair fight that you might lose.
I’ve seen Tempest tanks merrily tank 3 skilled players by themselves.
I would hesitate to say that three players, assuming they’re not also aurabot tempests or healer druids failing to kill one tempest are as “skilled” as you want to believe.
All you need is 1 good necro to take out a tempest, my reaper sometimes solo kills 2 people at a time and quite easily.
You’re playing against some bad tempests then. All the ones I’ve fought on my necro can happily tank them (yes, I am using meta corruption builds and scepter auto attack) and then they kite away whenever they feel remotely threatened.
I would hesitate to say that three players, assuming they’re not also aurabot tempests or healer druids failing to kill one tempest are as “skilled” as you want to believe.
Ever played against Gin Heartily, #2 on the leaderboards last I checked? She runs some kind of staff tank build (I don’t know the specifics). I’ve seen CC hell warriors and meta necros stack on her… and she just tanks it all.
That just means that particular ele is better at his/her job than you are at yours, it happens. Maybe they’ve been playing longer than you or are just naturally better at the game than you, but it doesn’t mean EVERY ele in the game is as super pro as the one/ ones you are talking about. Most ele’s I’ve come across, including my own are very squishy.
I’m not denying that that’s possible, but the problem is that a single player shouldn’t be able to handle more than 2 players at a time, regardless of skill level. It makes the game ultimately dull.
Handle 2 players at once….what about my reaper who can not only handle/uselessly tank but can actually kill 2 players at once? Heck if we’re gonna get rid of 1 thing that people call over powered we might as well get rid of them all. Tbh I hate playing ele, I’m never very successful with it, I think it needs buffs, the current ele build everyone is using doesn’t kill anything and if you’re not REALLY good at it and have an organized premade to back you up it’s even difficult to stay alive on it. So yea I’d say the most successful tempests are the ones who have their own organized team the rest not so great. And anyone who has a really good organized premade is gonna beat most of their opponents, that’s something a lot of people seem to over look whenever they complain about a certain class/ build being over powered.
I’ve seen Tempest tanks merrily tank 3 skilled players by themselves.
I would hesitate to say that three players, assuming they’re not also aurabot tempests or healer druids failing to kill one tempest are as “skilled” as you want to believe.
All you need is 1 good necro to take out a tempest, my reaper sometimes solo kills 2 people at a time and quite easily.
You’re playing against some bad tempests then. All the ones I’ve fought on my necro can happily tank them (yes, I am using meta corruption builds and scepter auto attack) and then they kite away whenever they feel remotely threatened.
I would hesitate to say that three players, assuming they’re not also aurabot tempests or healer druids failing to kill one tempest are as “skilled” as you want to believe.
Ever played against Gin Heartily, #2 on the leaderboards last I checked? She runs some kind of staff tank build (I don’t know the specifics). I’ve seen CC hell warriors and meta necros stack on her… and she just tanks it all.
That just means that particular ele is better at his/her job than you are at yours, it happens. Maybe they’ve been playing longer than you or are just naturally better at the game than you, but it doesn’t mean EVERY ele in the game is as super pro as the one/ ones you are talking about. Most ele’s I’ve come across, including my own are very squishy.
I think this is a troll thread…. seems like it’s meant to get people upset…and it’s working
You’re so dour. What’s wrong with a thread dedicated to raising qualms with balance?
People are already upset. This thread has nothing to do with it ;D
People are upset because their favorite builds keep getting nerfed to the point that they can’t use them anymore, so of course they are gonna get more upset whenever people suggest they continue getting nerfed, you’re just throwing fuel onto the already blazing inferno. If anything we need buffs not more nerfs. I’d suggest buffing all the core skills & traits that haven’t been used by anyone in ages… and leaving it buffed not continuing with this merry -go-round of oh lets nerf then buff then nerf then buff then nerf even more. And put back all the amulets and runes that got removed over the years so we can have more viable builds.
More viable builds? So you really think anyone would run anything else than durability runes revs, bunker sentinels mesmer, and healing ele if those amulets and runes came back? Thats just silly.
Yea I really do think people would run a LOT of different builds if we got every skill, trait, weapon, rune and amulet back that was nerfed into non existence, it’s called options, something we don’t have a lot of anymore thanks to nerfs and removals. I for 1 don’t like being forced into playing something that I wouldn’t normally play JUST because it’s the only thing that’s strong enough to play.
I’ve seen Tempest tanks merrily tank 3 skilled players by themselves.
I would hesitate to say that three players, assuming they’re not also aurabot tempests or healer druids failing to kill one tempest are as “skilled” as you want to believe.
All you need is 1 good necro to take out a tempest, my reaper sometimes solo kills 2 people at a time and quite easily.
kittening boon corrupt on an auto… ;-;
Yea it’s funny, I always like to stay a bit after the match just to see how many boons I removed with my auto attack alone since I don’t even bring any of the boon removals on traits and utility’s and I usually remove like some where in the upper 70’s boons only from my auto attack >.<
And I’ve noticed that smart ele’s take off running in the other direction whenever a necro/reaper approaches them.
Oh this is pretty much ALL that ever happens in pvp these days, welcome to the new and improved pvp where if you have a good premade you get the pleasure of farming solo players all day and making them cry
