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Im getting demolished

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I’m still getting the hang of my new guard as well, but I’ve been discovering some interesting combos. Your first goal, as Roach states, should not be damage. It should be to lock that squirmy glass cannon down. Hammer is great for this. I discovered recently that Glacial Heart works well with Zealot’s embrace. If you crit, your foe will be immobilized and chilled. Get close to them and lay down Ring of Warding. If you can trap them in ring of warding it’s all over. You can bounce them off the walls of that thing while they try to dodge away and knock themselves down. Also, make sure you use retaliation. They should be a bit scared to unleash onto you. JI also helps close gaps. Also you can use GS 5 to pull them towards you. Use GS 3 and Hammer 2 to leap at them as well. I’m digging Hammer/Greatsword right now. Truth is though that guardians are much stronger with a crowd. There’s no shame in this. Get near your allies, even just a few around you will significantly boost your power.

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What runes do you use?

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Hey all! I’m running a boon / shout build:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQJARSlYgqCnFyvDfIFRuAbBYPwI8741DKmQGC-j0BBYLAkIAJPFRjtIsIas6aYKXER1GcFRrWIgRLAA-w

Thinking of going either Runes of Altruism or Runes of The Soldier. Any suggestions? Which do you like better?

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what counts as a "healing skill"?

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Gahhh… thanks.

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what counts as a "healing skill"?

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Thinking about getting runes of altruism, but I’m curious if activating Virtue of Resolve counts as a healing skill, granting the runes bonus boons?

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I like mesmer, but hate shattering

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I like living, but hate eating.

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On Skritt

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If we breed enough Asura with Skritt, maybe Skritt will finally be a playable race! It’s worth it!

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We are Engineers. Right. Are we?

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I really like the idea of Engi being able to fix siege with supplies. It would really up our value in WvW. People would be constantly shouting for engineers on chat. But Anet would never do it. The reason is that some players would figure out a way to have an unstoppable golem army.

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Can you help me with a race for engineer?

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Asura! Forget those Bookahs… Asura is best.

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How viable is a meditation/MF build?

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I’ve been really enjoying monk’s focus with cool downs on meditations and instant meditations. Works very well.

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Thinking of playing an Asura, sway me...

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Pros: Voice acting, awesome lines, humorous attitude, attack / jumping animation, great lore, great RP opportunities, size advantage in WvW, actually useful racial slot skills, mocking Bookahs.

Cons: Armor is basically the same for males and females (lazy Anet is lazy), weapons look small, lack of respect / insults from other players, lack of detail in armor.

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Rata Sum prison Easter egg

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That’s how we handle bookahs who snoop around.

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Starting Female Light Armor

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I did recently try to create an older looking, distinguished witch character and the frilly armor looked absurd on her. Of course the lack of old faces made it a difficult endeavor to begin with.

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Option to turn off legendary effects

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I suspect you were traumatized by a rainbow pony during childhood. I suggest aversion therapy. Cover your room and personal belongings with rainbow pony images until you feel comfortable around them.

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Post your tough norn women!

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There’s been a glut of posts on the norn forum criticizing the design of norn women. We can argue about faces and bodies forever but regardless of your opinion on the subject many of us still managed to create truly tough-as-nails, no-nonsense norn women and they should be celebrated. I think many of us went with norn females because we like strong, tough, differently-gendered women. Not that there’s anything wrong with extreme femininity or that extreme femininity isn’t strong, but this thread is a celebration of big, tough norn gals who can snap the neck of a Son of Svanir with their bare hands. Post a screenshot of yours below!!

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Why Can't We Have More "Revealing" Armor?

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I agree with more of everything. I have zero sympathy about the difficulty in making new armor sets. Hire more designers, hire more programers. How hard can it be? Git er done! (I know nothing about programing, maybe it’s the hardest thing there is.)

I agree that the medium armor is a really disappointing in this game. Light armor looks great, but medium you always wind up looking like a three musketeers hobo pirate.

Dev’s actually censored the more skimpy heavy armor at launch I think. Arah and karma armor got a work over.

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Post your Evil Guardian!

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You all look amazing! I’m in awe of your evil evilness.

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Post your Evil Guardian!

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These are all amazing! Looking good, minions of darkness…

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Hey Asura! (A Charr Thread of Insults)

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Asura Technology: Highly advanced cubic tech that radiates alchemical power, can permanently float, can teleport, can program advanced A.I.

Charr Technology: A heap of crude metal scraps tossed together like so much scattered kitty litter.

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Hey Asura! (A Charr Thread of Insults)

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Mindless kitty bookah… At least we don’t run on all fours! Hey, that gives me an idea… Charr mounts for all Asura! It’s all you big dumb cats are good for anyway….

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Post your Evil Guardian!

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Not sure you understood my post. This is about aesthetics my friend. Looks, armor, colors, weapon skins, armor skins. Not talking about RP. But for the record, I’ve got 3 level 80’s and have been playing since launch. In that time I’ve encountered quite a bit of RP. Regardless of how casual RP is, most people still think of their toon as a “character” they’ve created with it’s own name and backstory. To me, thinking of your toon as more than just a collection of pixels adds to the game.

Oh yeah sorry. I didn’t understand. If it’s the look of your guardian than may I suggest a combination of Flame Legion set and Hellfire achievement armor with either Abyss dye or the dyes from Flame and Frost (though these dyes are really expensive).

Here’s my Guardian. I think he looks very anti-hero! :

Wow! Now we’re cooking with fire! Man, he looks great. Totally nailed the dark guardian look. Gratz.

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Post your Evil Guardian!

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I’m just about to hit level 80 and I LOVE this class. I usually don’t play “good” characters though as I’m drawn to a more demonic, netherworld vibe, and I like playing anti-heroes. While scouring screenshots of Guardians to get aesthetic ideas for armor, weapons, colors etc, I noticed that quite a few Guardians went the non-traditional route creating “Dark Guardians” or “Death Knights” or “Fallen Angel” types that were awesome. I’d love to see some other player’s Dark Guardians to get ideas for my own. I’m working on kind of a “Hellfire Knight” aesthetic. Post your screenshots! Total respect to the more traditional Guardians of angelic light and holy radiance sort of thing, but this thread is for the baddies only!

Guild Wars 2 isn’t a role playing game. There’s no dedicated role playing servers. When people main chat they talk OOC. Needless to say you can play any class you want in any way you wish.

Not sure you understood my post. This is about aesthetics my friend. Looks, armor, colors, weapon skins, armor skins. Not talking about RP. But for the record, I’ve got 3 level 80’s and have been playing since launch. In that time I’ve encountered quite a bit of RP. Regardless of how casual RP is, most people still think of their toon as a “character” they’ve created with it’s own name and backstory. To me, thinking of your toon as more than just a collection of pixels adds to the game.

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Post your Evil Guardian!

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my mixxed set is still the best overall imo.

It is indeed pretty awsome and totally fits the look. What’s that chest piece?

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Post your Evil Guardian!

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I guess half the people didn’t read the thread here, as half of the pictures look like they could be substitute kindergarten teachers :p.

Soooooooo epic. Now THIS is what I’m talkin’ about! They all look great guys. Huzzah for the dark guardians! Keep posting!

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Post your Evil Guardian!

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She’s my lil guard in TA armor

Epic! Wow, perfect Nightmare Guardian. Looks amazing.

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Post your Evil Guardian!

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I’m just about to hit level 80 and I LOVE this class. I usually don’t play “good” characters though as I’m drawn to a more demonic, netherworld vibe, and I like playing anti-heroes. While scouring screenshots of Guardians to get aesthetic ideas for armor, weapons, colors etc, I noticed that quite a few Guardians went the non-traditional route creating “Dark Guardians” or “Death Knights” or “Fallen Angel” types that were awesome. I’d love to see some other player’s Dark Guardians to get ideas for my own. I’m working on kind of a “Hellfire Knight” aesthetic. Post your screenshots! Total respect to the more traditional Guardians of angelic light and holy radiance sort of thing, but this thread is for the baddies only!

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Guardian one handed crossbow

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If you meant to say Crossbow? Then that would fit a Guardian as a ranged weapon. Those were used by Crusaders historically in real life. And they were one handed I’ll have to look that up.

I think he did, yes. But most of the crossbows were two-handed because of the weight.

@ PokerTuna – You’re thinking of a “wand” buddy, not a scepter. Scepters were traditional accessories of a king, quite popular in the medieval period. They were also used in religious ceremonies, both monotheistic and pagan. Thus, they fit perfectly with guardians who are essentially religious / spiritual knights. It’s one of the distinctive weapons that separates us from those godless warriors.

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Emotes I wish were in the game....

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/flirt
/thank
/battlecry
/shy

I’d also like to see better synergy between emotes. For example, when already sitting, I’d like to be able to type /sleep and see my toon seamlessly transition from sitting to laying down without awkwardly standing in between.

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Change the Minstrel 5

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so you guys are saying that the minstrel is just fine the way it is? I’m still not saying that it has to blot out the sun with crazy particle effects but there are plenty of exotic weapons that are more noticeable that’s all. Those exotic weapons do not necessarily shine as crazy as sunrise yet an exotic weapon should not be more desirable than a legendary.

Do you guys think the anomaly is too flashy?….whisper weapons? or what about the corrupted weapons?…those are even more noticeable than the minstrel. Right? Do you not think that the minstrel will easily just work for a rare or exotic weapon?

What about the fact that hardly anyone even wants the minstrel? You see someone with that stand next to someone with sunrise and the sunrise gets ooos and aaahs…but sunrise only required a little bit more work. Not that the minstrel should be as elaborate and flashy as sunrise….just….not as dull as a rare item that you can buy with 4g.

Since everyone so far seems to disagree with me then I close my case. I am surprised. If most everyone else is content with this then there is no purpose here I suppose.

I have to agree that the Minstrel needs a major overhaul. You know something’s wrong when a non-legendary focus is far cooler (Anomaly) then the legendary. Personally I never, ever see the minstrel because almost no one crafts it.

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Future Playable Races

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SKRITT! Please for the love of the shiniest shinnies! I think the way to get around the lack of intelligence and the need for more developed character models is to introduce the idea of a new race of more advanced, slightly bigger “sea rat” skritt pirates that dock their boats and set up a capital city sea port in one of the zones. GW2 is already obsessed with pirates, it would fit perfectly. These more advanced, aggressive scallywag skritt, known as “Highborn Skritt” or “Sea Skritt” are descended from the ancient skritt ancestors and look down on their inferior cousins. They are Skritt of legend, capable of wielding magic and weapons. Character models would include multiple tails, eye patches, crooked ears, longer claws, patterned fur.

Some ideas for Skritt racial skills:

SLOT SKILLS:

“Skritt! I’m hit!”
Fake your own death, giving the outside appearance to foes and mobs that you are completely dead. You can spring back to life at anytime (or when the effect runs out in 60 seconds) with regeneration.

“Strength in Numbers”
Call a swarm of sea rats to attack the target and everything in an AOE circle around the target. The swarm will follow the target if the target moves. Lasts 2 seconds. Applies confusion, poison, and weakness.

“Lab Rat”
Ooze conditions around you and leave a trail of slippery condition applying goo (poison, fire, chill, vulnerability) that randomly applies either a knockdown or sticky glue.

ELITE SKILLS:

“I Wants The Shiny!”
Use a Skritt made magnet to yank your foe’s weapon out of their hands into yours and hit them with it in a leaping or ranged attack. Temporarily removes main-hand weapon dam and skin from your foe, and gives it to you. Useful for three hits. On mobs with no weapon, it’s their main attack that’s stolen.

“Plague-Spreader”
All applied conditions cannot be cleansed by foes for 15 seconds.

I made a post about this which you can read here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Make-Skritt-a-playable-race/first#post1595207

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Making an Engineer, but what race?

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CHARR!

Honestly, how is this even a question? FOR THE IRON LEGION! Flamegineer all the way! Charrzooka! Turrets and Kits to support your Legion! BLOW KITTEN UP! BURN IT DOWN!

Silly Charr, Kits are for Asura!

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Guardian one handed crossbow

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I understand your view point and agree. A gun would not fit our class lore. From your suggestion it would now be changed into a one or two handed crossbow. Thank you for posting

Cool!!

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Creating an engineer!

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Asura! Brain, not brawn…. Lore is a perfect fit.

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Making an Engineer, but what race?

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ASURA! Engineers of other races are all BOOKAHS! Asura all the way baby…

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Baby Guardian without any direction

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Yer only level 17! Yer a widdle baby! Your skull hasn’t fully formed yet! No point in talking builds until you have some trait points to play with. Get to level 80, then worry about the rest of this stuff. Meantime use what feels right to level with. Try different weapons and skills out to experiment. You want to try every weapon combination and skill to see what you dig. I used mace / shield + scepter / focus a lot for added survivability in tougher zones. Good luck! See you in 63 levels.

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Guardian one handed crossbow

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The skills are awesome. But I don’t think a gun of any kind fits with the guard aesthetic or lore. Feels way too anarchistic. We are a class that is very King Arthur, early medieval inspired. And we’re all about old gods, swords and magic. Not guns and machines. If we did have a ranged weapon, I would suggest a crossbow. Two handed crossbows would rock and still fit the aesthetic.

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WvW - Inc Retaliation Nerf-What Compensation?

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What’s interesting too about the video is how the dev describes Anet’s internal testing methods. He says that they’ll do tests with 7 players (sPVP), call up “high level players” to ask advice, and at most do a test with 30 developers. The interesting thing here is that they clearly can’t really test the true effects of these nerfs and balance patches in large scale WvW. Often full matches in EB will be hundreds of players, far more than 30. They should figure out a way to test these changes to WvW properly instead of just playing the guessing game.

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WvW - Inc Retaliation Nerf-What Compensation?

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Oh for the love of Grenth…. Here we go again. My mesmer was a casualty of the godawful confusion nerf, and now retaliation? What’s with the hate on boons and conditions? It’s like players don’t ever want to think about anything other than direct damage. Direct damage is so boring! What’s brilliant about confusion and retaliation is it MAKES PLAYERS THINK before just spamming attacks. Conditions are the intelligent gamer’s choice. I really don’t think retal is overpowered in any way. And it’s super necessary for Guardians as we are supposed to be plunging head long into full target combat. We have no invisibility, this is crucial to our survivability.

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7/5 NSP/IoJ/HoD

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To whoever suicided all our golems on NSP EB… A pox upon you! A pox I say!

I’m gonna assume it was a moronic player on our server who had no idea what they were doing and not a spy’s sabotage. Let’s have no more of that.

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What is your favorite slot skill?

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Thanks guys! This is all very helpful.

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What is your favorite slot skill?

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What’s the guardian skill you cannot live without, the one you always have to have? Elite skills included. Leveling a guardian and trying to prioritize.

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Why did the mesmer cross the Road?

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That’s not a road, it’s a temporal curtain!

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Why no 2-handed Axes?

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Battle axe FTW. Seriously. This is a no brainer.

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At my wits' end

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Hello Engi’s! This was my first class in GW2, my first level 80. I love the aesthetic, I love the wacky skills, love my little Asura engineer, Warpgate. Having said that, I’m in a place of total frustration. I cannot for the life of me come up with a viable build for WvW. Any suggestions?

Full disclosure, Mesmer is now my main and I may have been spoiled by all the stealth and clones and the ease at which Mesmers can shift between roaming / zerging. I REALLY want to make my Engi work, but nothing seems to fly.

First off, I’m SUPER squishy. Even when I spec fully into inventions/alchemy and go for full defensive traits. Pretty much everyone catches me and kills me in nothing flat unless I run away constantly. I also can’t do the damage I really want to unless I go full into Tools and Firearms, but then I’m even more squishy. I tried to spec turrets and it was a disaster. I like roaming, and I like doing damage to groups and getting the heck out of there. I want to do well out there. Obviously I need to learn to play better but tactics and hints would be much appreciated. I see great Engi’s out there, but can’t figure out how they do it. Any good builds for WvW?

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WVW Double team cheating??

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@Tuluum- That wasn’t a server wide “ground rule” thing and it had nothing to do with the NSP victory. I led many, many attacks on IOJ during that week, and made it a mission of mine to flip IOJ camps in their BL whenever I could because I was kitten ed that DH had double teamed NSP with IOJ the previous week. You guys had a true DT going with IOJ where commanders were communicating directly. In fact, NSP won last week because we marshaled superior numbers and crushed both servers. To the above posters who questioned how I knew DH and IOJ commanders were communicating to DT NSP there were two things. First, it was obvious. IOJ would camp out camps so DH could take the keep. Then, an IOJ commander graciously confirmed everything by posting this: -Snip-

As far as I know this was not a two communication between commanders. I did not message the commander to coordinate attacks with them or try to reach out to any DH. I decided to take advantage of information passed to me and took the risk of pouring my resources into an assault based off of second hand info. If it was up to me I would have declared a 30 min truce and have a round table discussion with all three servers and have a discussion on what can make the match “Fun” for the week.

The tactics in war with two other sides are much more diverse then a war with one side. If one side can convince one side in a war that both have common goals and that it would be folly to fight each other, then why should that be frowned upon? Just because both side manage to successfully negotiate a deal and heaven forbid that they honer such deal for more then a few moments that if be called “cheating”.

From what I can tell by some of the opponents to the “Double Team” style, they hate having there skills be attributed to having help from an outside server. Does double teaming diminish the value of the servers skill? Depends on if it was successful or a failure or the attitudes of the recipient of said double teaming. There are ways to combat “Double Teaming”, much of which is outside of PvP combat.

My specialty as a commander is information and communication, the info I have the better I can communicate to others and move resources as needed. I make a horrible commander in the front(Brawn/Might), but an excellent commander from the rear(Tactics/Intel).

Thank you for your honestly and clarity. Much appreciated. I’m sure you didn’t have direct communication with the DH commanders, but it was this line in your post that I was going off of:

“…Logan was contacted by a DH commander that they where going to apply pressure on NSP and if IoJ would like to join in. Logan communicated this info to the rest of the commanders to IoJ on EB.”

So my assumption was that Logan was the one contacted and then passed the info along.

Look, I respect you as a commander but we disagree in this regard. I would never have used the info from DH to my advantage on the field and I would be upset at my commander if they did because it would make me feel like we were in the pocket of, or being manipulated by another server. Maybe that makes me weak, but it’s where I stand ethically. You chose to use it, and that was your choice. I don’t judge you for it, but I am against it. I think it’s good to have this discussion though so each server can figure out where they stand on DT.

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WVW Double team cheating??

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A “mutually organized focus of one server by the other two servers with pre-determined ground rules” will never include everyone on the server, ever. However, its success is determined by how many are participating. If you say guilds like [Os] are not important to any outcome.. I am not sure what to say!

I can equally say that I never participated in the supposed double team between IoJ and DH, as afaik, one never existed except to troll the thread. See how that works?

All anyone needs to do is go read that thread. You posted in it, you know whats there.

Basically, DH is flat out the stronger server amongst the three, and because of this, they were a focus for the two other servers. This is exactly how the WvW system is supposed to work, and a shining example of how the 1v1v1 system can work as a balance. But, I think the only time it does is when the two weaker servers actually communicate out some ground rules during the match (which is exactly what happened in that thread).

And really, in the end, the double team arrangement made my NSP and IoJ made for one of the best matchs in a long, long time. Anyone who questions what happened can just read that thread. Like I said, its an excellent example of how the system is supposed to work. It goes to show that just being the stronger server isnt always enough, the other two, even if weaker, can pull off a win for one of the servers if they have large segments of the population that play in accordance to some ground rules.

Oh the absurdity! Where to begin… Let’s start with your claim that DH & IOJ never teamed up. I guess everything NSP witnessed in game was all a forum troll. And I guess Laspo Yorick wrote that long, detailed, painfully honest explanation simply to troll the thread. Sorry. That’s fish three days old. I ain’t buyin’ it. Regardless of this particular match up, let’s get back to your other argument. That Double Teaming is the same as a “mutually organized focus of one server by the other two servers with pre-determined ground rules”. Personally, I’m against both. But they are not the same. Commanders from different servers colluding on tactics and specific attacks to crush another server is what we are against in this post. Not a general guide line arrangement between two servers. Regardless, I’m even against that and consider it borderline DT. And let’s use another server match up as an example. I recall fighting GOM and HoD. Nothing was more annoying then getting DT’d to our spawn and looking out on a sea of mixed GOM and HoD names, standing together not attacking each other. That was the moment I knew I was against DT. It’s wrong, it’s a game killer, and it’s just not fun. Finally, let’s get into your assertion that the 3 way match up is designed to encourage DT against the stronger server and the last match up was an example of the system working. Hogwash I say! MOST of the time the stronger server and the second place server Double-Team the weakest. This happens because the second place server wants to stay second, so it sides with the victor. Second, Anet may have intended some natural balancing between three servers and even some smart playing in game by commanders who will take advantage of Blue hitting Red to attack Blue. But I guarantee they didn’t intend commanders to communicate outside of the game to arrange specific attacks like Danzo described above.

The only way to stop DT is for commanders from every server to take a stand on moral grounds and discourage it among their troops. OR we have some function where as a server you can vote on whether or not you are “Closed or Open to Alliances”. Then those servers would be paired respectively.

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WVW Double team cheating??

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@Tuluum- That wasn’t a server wide “ground rule” thing and it had nothing to do with the NSP victory. I led many, many attacks on IOJ during that week, and made it a mission of mine to flip IOJ camps in their BL whenever I could because I was kitten ed that DH had double teamed NSP with IOJ the previous week. You guys had a true DT going with IOJ where commanders were communicating directly. In fact, NSP won last week because we marshaled superior numbers and crushed both servers. To the above posters who questioned how I knew DH and IOJ commanders were communicating to DT NSP there were two things. First, it was obvious. IOJ would camp out camps so DH could take the keep. Then, an IOJ commander graciously confirmed everything by posting this:

“I will try to give insight on what happened last night(8 PM EST) and will take full responsibility for this supposedly “Double Team” fight on Northern Shiver Peaks.
When I logged in last night to TS Logan from CORE was talking about the forum war here and how it devolved into a shouting match between our three major commanders and NSP. Then supposedly Logan was contacted by a DH commander that they where going to apply pressure on NSP and if IoJ would like to join in. Logan communicated this info to the rest of the commanders to IoJ on EB. It did not have to take much to motivate the commander to focus a bit on NSP and so we left a few scouts (Including me) at Kloven and Wildcreek and see if DH will try to pull a ninja as we hit NSP. After awhile DH started to put pressure on NSP and only came to our end of EB for Rogues and dredge. Logan then felt that it was safe to leave EB and take all the CORE members and take hills in NSP BL and upgrade it and see if he can take all of NSP BL.
After Logan left EB, Debilitator tagged up and took control of the IoJ Zerg. Since we assumed that NSP was still bitter about the forum war, I convinced him to continue to hit NSP and not focus on DH. Since DH was not hitting us except for the odd rush in capping Rogues, I figured it would be a wise move to not give them a reason to hit IoJ. If we hit DH or Stone Mist DH would of pulled out from NSP corner and focus on IoJ, which in turn would of been a “Double Team” on IoJ since NSP would re-cap all there towers and camps and focus on IoJ as well.
So blame me for orchestrating this “Double Team” on NSP because I was the one telling the commander to hit NSP and told the IoJ EB Pugs to not hit DH. If I felt confident enough that NSP would push DH after IoJ took the brunt of the DH zerg. Then I would of taken the opportunity of DH opening to take SM or there towers or keep.
But from what I observed here on the forums and the fact that NSP have repeatedly shown much more focus on IoJ (Took our EB keep 5 times before I got on), Logan and I called the plan on bringing the hammer down on NSP to prevent the hammer on coming down on IoJ. So yes, we did “Double Team” you but it was to prevent Us from getting double teamed in return. Say what you will about the “Double Teaming” as a cheat, but I saw it as a way to prevent a crushing blow to IoJ. If you took the offer to put pressure on DH awhile back, things would of turned out differently last night.

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Styx Hemlock – Sylvari Mesmer – TFG – NSP

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WVW Double team cheating??

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Double teaming maybe morally wrong

How on earth did you come to that conclusion?

OP was talking about 2 winning servers ganging up together against the outnumbered one. In other words 2 bigger vs 1 smaller. The classic school yard bullies vs victim scenario.

It seems that nowadays words like honor, loyalty, morale, ethics and truth are some alien words to many people. But to me they are more than words. If a situation like I described above feels morally fine to you, that’s your opinion and I am not gonna chage it. That your commander raises up your troop’s morale by concentrating the attacks on the easiest opponent, then fine by me, but do pause for a second to think how it feels on the losing side. To me morale means the spirit when fighting together against a common goal in the time of hardship. Note the emphasis on the word hardship, instead of selecting the easiest route.

Oh please don’t bring morals into this. It’s a waste of time.

Or do your morals prevent you from killing an enemy player because they are outnumbered? Do your morals only allow for 1v1 fights because you want your opponent to have a fighting chance? Do your morals compel you to leave a tower be instead of attacking because you have a superior force to theirs? Or do your morals only apply when it suits you?

No, they aren’t just words to me, they do have meaning, but everyone on the WvW battlefield stepped in their knowing what the score was. It’s still a competition to see who comes out on top. If eliminating one of the threats improves my chances, so be it. Just because a player isn’t very skilled at chess it does not mean I should hesitate to use a fool’s mate on him to knock him out of the tournament.

I think people don’t really understand what double-teaming is and why we are against it. NO ONE is talking about the natural, random occurrences of two servers attacking the same server simultaneously. We’re not even talking about a Red commander noticing in game that Blue is attacking Green and deciding to attack Green also while they are distracted with Blue. I’m not even talking about Green and Blue coincidentally attacking Red simultaneously. All of that will happen in WvW and is normal.

We are talking about Commanders from two separate servers exchanging emails with each other in real life, talking on voice chat, and deciding to team up to eliminate and crush another server completely until they chase them to their spawn camp and they can’t play. We’re talking about Green Commanders sending texts to Blue commanders with specific instructions like “We are hitting Red’s Keep, please turtle Speldon and Pang so they won’t have supply. Let us have the keep and we’ll give you Veloka”.

In my mind, THAT is double-teaming. And yes, it is immoral and dishonorable. And more importantly, it ruins the FUN of the game. And it also doesn’t accurately reflect who is the better server. Which is the point of WvW. My last match up we got double-teamed in the way I described and sunk to 3rd with very low points. We complained about it, there was a ton of fighting on our match up thread. Then we got paired with the same servers the following week and they were too ashamed to double team. We fought the game with no alliances. Guess what happened? We won the whole thing in first place by 12,000 points.

Victory feels better when it’s honest.

Styx Hemlock – Sylvari Mesmer – TFG – NSP

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6/28 BP/NSP/SBI

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The thing that is most depressing about this match up is the fact that we got NSP. Not to knock NSP, they are doing pretty good. But thanks to the way the ranking system works, all they have to do is keep breathing and they will just drain us of all those hard faught points. I really wanted to face Yaks or Crystal Desert. Hell, I wanted that rematch with Ehmry Bay. instead we got NSP and our points are crashing again. It really does remove my motivation to want to play WvW this week, by a very large margin.

New Mesmer Elite skill “Depression” is clearly working.

Styx Hemlock – Sylvari Mesmer – TFG – NSP

WvW is fun, and developers aren't Jesus

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Really? Oh man… the only reason I was playing this game was because I thought Jesus Christ was the head developer.

Styx Hemlock – Sylvari Mesmer – TFG – NSP

WVW Double team cheating??

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I personally think intentional Double-teaming (Colluding by commanders in RL to collaborate in WvW) is dishonorable and that it ruins the fun of WvW. When NSP was Double-Teamed I made a thread about it here.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Double-Teaming-ruins-WvW/first

As you can see, this is a very controversial topic and there are many passionate opinions on both sides.

Styx Hemlock – Sylvari Mesmer – TFG – NSP