I think it more has to deal with the fact that Ritualists aren’t a Tyrian (continent) profession. Enough ritualists made the move to Tyria, during and in between Gw1 and Gw2, for their spells to be picked up by the populace, but there wasn’t enough for that profession to keep its identity. Slowly, ritualism died out in Tyria as magic seemingly got easier to do, but some of it’s spells got assimilated into the different Tyrian professions.
I’m sure, or I hope at least, that ritualists are still part of Canthan life, since it’s key cultural profession.
Draco In Leather Pants, anyone?
Off-topic, but that fanon picture of Sephiroth is hilarious.
Also, I do not know why ArenaNet writers remains coy about the romance between the two. Perhaps Logan is now looking in the direction of Lady Kasmeer Meadehttp://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kasmeer_Meade?
That would be interesting, but I doubt it. Logan and Jennah have stated before that they do love each other deeply. It is just that the relationships between a ruling monarch, without a heir, and someone of Logan’s station is delicate, to say the least.
Not to mention, a portion of the playerbase suspects that there is a possible relationship between Majory and Kasmeer. Or, at least, one sided feelings on Kasmeer’s part, and Majory is a bit oblivious on the matter.
Well…
If Scarlet does invade Lion’s Arch, Evon is a shoe in if another Captain dies. It will also appease all the Evon support. Minus the FoA fractal though.
I doubt there wouldn’t be much difference in the amount of lore in between the two fractals. So, the FoA fractal would probably have as much lore as the Reactor. Which isn’t much. All we mostly got out of it was official in-game confirmation of ley lines, and that the Inquest helped (see: probably did most of the work) in finding them.
Also, it would be pretty easy to explain why she might be in the fractal as well. For the story mode anyway. Like lakdav said, the story mode could have centered around her breaking into Mistlock, and her studying the fractal before it was opened to the players and Evon.
If that would be considered “ruining god lore”, would be the personal opinion of the player. Though as I said earlier, there probably wouldn’t be much lore in that fractal to ruin.
I wanted to know what we made in Scarlet’s forge personally. We take parts and pieces of all Scarlet’s alliances and creations, throw them all into her forge, a shiny ball of something comes out, and Marjory runs off with it before we had a chance to study it. The one item that might have possible gave us some insight of what Scarlet is planning… gone in a second.
Also, I found them mentioning that the Nightmare Plant could possibly have intelligence interesting. Then, of course, we blew it up. So that was a bit of a dead end.
Though, the part about her base possible being in the Mist, and her scouting it, is really fascinating. Maybe we are over thinking her plans a bit. In her short story, after her talk with the Pale Tree, she walked past the Pale Tree and deeper into the void. Maybe she saw or connected with something out there… in the darkness of the void? I guess time will only tell on that part.
@Mad Queen Maladife
It would depend if the Charr have a working radar system or not. It’s pretty easy to see an Elder Dragon coming your way, but it might be harder to see a lone airship coming in under the cover of heavy dark clouds and/or darkness.
@Infamous Darkness
Tixx and his Funwerks Krewe have an airship of seemingly complete Asuran design. (Though, I could be wrong in that regard.) Also, if the Inquest are involved in Rata Sum’s offence or defense, their previous partnership with the Aetherblades most likely gave them access to all the blueprints and specs of the Pact’s airships. Given the amount of time that has passed, they could have easily produced their own style of airship, and they could have modified it to include more magitech enhancements.
The submarines are a plus to the Charr side, but Rata Sum is upriver from its harbor, with at least one or two small dams between it and the coast. The Charr might be able to land and take the harbor, but they would have to cut their way through the jungle to get to Rata Sum. The distance seems too far for the Charr’s mortar fire and other artillery to reach otherwise.
Zero charr presence in Ascalon. Absolute zero. You gonna tell me that all charr tribes just left their lands? Nobody tried to stay and coexist? Nobody tried to trade? It was a pretty common thing in IRL history.
Charr? Peace? Trade? What madness is this!? I’m guessing you don’t know the Charr all that well, especially the primitive Charr.
Charr was NOT united until rise of Flame Shamans, so there was no one who could ban tribe leaders\families\individuals to do so.
And my point is proven right here. The primitive Charr, during the time humans were first conquering Ascalon, were united by the Khan-Ur. He was able to united all the independent warbands together, and he was the only thing keeping them together in the end. Because without him, they would be ripping each other apart in power struggles.
And yet we didn’t see anything, and even more so, we see HATE, blind hate to humanity. What was the reason for such hatred? Just war, which in general, is a common thing for the primitive tribes and is not something special? Or something else, something that they experienced during the first war, something that caused them to forget any idea of coexistence?
The primitive Charr hated humanity simply because they challenged their power and dominance. This hatred is intensified when they lost their war to the humans, and they had to surrender Ascalon and flee north. After that, they were preparing a counterstike by burning everything in their retreat, but then the Khan-Ur got assassinated. I’m sure you can make an guess at who was behind that.
Someone wiped you from one piece of land, settled on those lands, and now expanding further, further into YOUR direction. What will they do to you this time, “bring civilization by the name of our Gods” again?
Technically, they’re both guilty of that. Though, the Charr only used the “God” excuse when they were led by the Flame Legion. Before and after that, they didn’t need a reason for killing and conquering people for their land. They did it simply because they could.
Its not? really. How about a little walk into the current state of affairs in these two kingdoms. Starting with Cantha. It is now known as the Empire of the Dragon – under the isolationist and xenophobic imperial rule of Emperor Usoku and his Ministry of Purity. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cantha. The Luxon and Kurzick Factions smashed.
And Elona is much, much worst. Palawa Joko has invaded and taken most of Elona. The Sunspears corrupted/smashed as well. Elona is now ruled by the undead. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elona
Only in Kryta do humans live in relative peace and security.
As FlamingFoxx said before, we have no information of the current affairs of each kingdom. So, your view points on how Cantha and Elona are at the moment is your own personal theory and not factual.
Though, I would like to point out a couple of things.
- Cantha was always known at the Empire of the Dragon.
- Unless he discovered the secret of immortality, Usoku is most likely dead.
- We have no idea how the MoP has evolved over the last 250 years, if it has at all.
- You can’t have _un_dead without dead. While he incorporated the undead into the society, Elona is still very much a human kingdom.
First, we have no information about Ascalon in ancient times. Only information we have is “charr kicked out someone from Ascalon once”, but nothing about original owner of those lands. Ascalon still can be charr homeland.
Second, facts mentioned above still cannot be justification for human aggression. Humans was 100% foreign invaders who simply come and grab new lands for themselves.
Third, Ascalon Kingdom was only first step. Humans not stopped, but continue to advance further to north, and even if charr homeland was not conquered before, now it was very clear next target. And with good old genocide as method of land cleansing. Have you seen charr reservations in GW1 Ascalon? Enclaves? Embassies? Separate friendly tribes? Any sign of trade? IRL history says hello.
Other than it has been stated pointblank that the Charr’s homeland wasn’t Ascalon? Taken from The Ecology of the Charr ...
No longer clamoring over the same territories, the unified Charr spread throughout the northern reaches of their homeland, and down into the lands east of the Shiverpeak Mountains. The Charr subjugated or destroyed any and all who dared defy them within their territories; they were masters of all they surveyed.
The Charr’s homelands are east of the Blazeridge Mountains. Once they were unified, they pushed their way north before they turned south into Ascalon, and they were killing and conquering the whole way. That said, they weren’t any different than the humans when they first arrived. When they conquered Ascalon, they were both foreign invaders killing everything that stood in their way. The only difference being that the Charr were from at least Tyria. Which didn’t matter in the end, since they both killed anyone who might question their conquering credentials.
People seems to be forgetting to add the Inquest into the equations.
If all out war is ever declared between the Asura and Charr, the Arcane Council will most likely appoint the Inquest in solving the problem quickly and most cost effectively, and we know the Inquest won’t play/fight nicely if that happens.
It could be possible, but how would it take in account of the different tiers of snowflakes? Would it be totally random, or would it depend on something like the character’s level?
And if they do make a node, I’m crossing my fingers for a mineable snowman. If only for the fact, that I want to use my molten pickaxe on it.
Zommoros doesn’t celebrate Wintersday, because he pre-dates its creation by a large margin. So, no.
Plus, tears of frustration and desperation are a delicacy to him.
Or, y’know, people saw quartz becoming more expensive due to a massive decrease in the amount of available nodes coming a mile away and stockpiled all the easy quartz while they could.
That’s what I did. The crystals were only really available in bulk during the event, and I knew that the supply was going to dry up after it was over. So with whatever limited funds I had, I bought about 50-75 stacks of them, and I stuck them in the bank for when the price rose.
What I bought for about 1g per stack now sells for about 8g+.
There was no real chance for the Abaddon fractal, they wouldn’t be able to shoehorn Scarlet into it. It was a rigged poll.
Wouldn’t be able to? It’s not all that hard to think of some possibilities, if you actually try to imagine some.
Scarlet could have snuck into the Mistlock Observatory while the players were doing the Abaddon fractal. After Dessa hears different intruder alerts while you’re making your way through the fractals, Scarlet makes a small appearance with some of her twisted watchworks before the final boss.
Another pointless Scarlet thread…
I’m sure they got the message after the first hundred threads on the same subject. Now, people are just rabbling on with the Scarlet hate for rabbling’s sake. They have seen, heard, and read all what the players think about her, but there is nothing much that can be changed on the matter. They have already plotted out her arc and her finale, and in a short time; they will start go into designing it, if they haven’t already.
Any walls of texts about how Scarlet is a bad character, is towards a wall, because it’s hard to stop a moving train.
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Searing Cauldron destroyed the Great wall.
Charr siege weapons destroyed Ascalon City’s walls. Charr’s might destroyed Ascalonian soldiers.
In the end, brave soldiers are a city’s strongest tower of defense. Ascalonian were cowards and weak, so they lost.
Humans being dangerous? Hardly.
Brave soldiers? It took the Charr twenty years to finally mount that attack on Ascalon City. It’s pretty hard to be a brave soldier when have been living in an apocalyptic wasteland for twenty years, and the only things you know are constant starvation, despair, and it’s only a matter of time before you and your friends and family die at the hands of the Charr.
You can’t really blame them for running. Their deaths would have been certain if they stayed, and if miraculously they did survive the battle; they get to see all the things they lived and cared for destroyed before their eyes. Then, the Charr would have probably killed them anyway.
Is it possible that the locations of the Elder Dragons could be tied to ley line paths and/or convergences? Since they are basically alpha predators and supposed magically balancers, it would make sense for them to stay around the general vicinity. It is where they would eat after all.
It would also give a possible explanation of why Zhaitan didn’t really leave Orr, even facing the threat of death. The Artesian Waters seems like a likely location of a convergence of two or more ley lines. It radiated enough magic, even into the Mists no less, to draw the attention of the 6 gods in the first place, after all.
When did Scarlet enter the sensory deprivation tank? How long ago did it occur? Is it possible that it hasn’t occurred yet? Has Scarlet traveled back in time to stop an event that occurred in her past, that is still in our future?
Answered in order…
In her short story. After she emerged, she renamed herself Scarlet, killed the Asuran headmaster that was helping her, and she started on whatever plan she has for the Sylvari and Tyria.
Unknown, since no specific dates were given. Though, I’m sure there are some educated guesses out there.
No…
and no.
He’s on some nameless beach, on a nameless world, drinking kittentails, reading a good book, commanding his forces from a safe distance, and thinking…
“Oh thank Balth… (Me! I meant “Oh thank me!) That I didn’t show myself 250 years ago. Did you see what happened to Abaddon and Dhuum? One was killed, and the other was beaten within an inch of his immortal life and sealed again. Also, thank me, I’m not on Tyria. Balthazar’s vicious humans and those Elder Dragons deserve one another.”
Frankly, what I think the asura should really be scared of is the ramifications of a fully cooperative charr-human alliance. Humans prior to the Guild Wars seem to have been on a similar level to the asura, and things like the Watchknights have shown that while they’ve lost a lot of that, they haven’t entirely lost their ability to make technomagical devices themselves… and humans don’t have the same culture of secrecy that the asura do. If humans and charr started to combine their learnings, kind of like the Molten Alliance except that humans have a broader and more complete knowledge of magic than the Flame Legion, then the asura could find themselves well and truly marginalised within a century.
That is why my Asura enjoys the Priory so much. He’s able to experiment and study with the technologies and the magical knowledge of the other races. Something he thinks the people of Rata Sum, and any krewe he might gather for a project, might “frown upon”.
So while the Charr and Asura might be major contenders when it comes to technological advancement, I wouldn’t count the Priory out. Now that they have joined to make the Pact, they will be pushing themselves with it comes to advancing their tech and magic. They aren’t limited to non-magical advances, like the Charr, or magitechnical(?, magitechnological?), like the Asura. They can pull from any type of magic or technology, from any race, if need be.
Team Priory!
It depends on what you consider “superior technology” in the end, since it will differ from person to person.
For weapons of destruction and war, the Charr would have it in the end, but only if they have a constant source of conflict to fuel their creative need. Their whole militaristic society needs it to survive, and without it; it would fall to shambles, along with their need for constantly evolving war tech.
The Asura, on the other hand, have already evolved their own technology to the point where it doesn’t need constant advancement for their race’s continued survival. (Minus the threat of the Elder Dragons.) They no longer have the need to constantly advance their technology. As NinjaChris said, they are at a point of where it’s science for science sake now.
So, for weaponry, I would easily give it to the Charr. But for live style improvement, I would give it to the Asura in the end.
CHIPS: Most successful Scarlet troll ever?
….I’m beginning to think so.
Stooperdale.3560
There’s another obvious gap in the living story now about who’s trying to track Scarlet down. Surely there would be someone trying to find her given how many powerful enemies she has created. That could make a story, but instead we get a mail each month from someone telling us to fight at a new base that has been stumbled upon.
Us tracking her down is probably going to be part of the LS early next year, since the next LS seems to be fractals, and then we have Wintersday taking up most, if not all, of December.
Though, since Scarlet has airships and teleportation technology, I wouldn’t be all that surprised if her headquarters is off grid and very hard to get too. It would make sense, since we are supposed to get new areas next year as well. I can see them probably be opened up and introduced in the “Where in the world is Scarlet Briar!?” LS.
3 Parts in different colors? My bet is on the FotM update. Aetherblade Dungeon, Flame Frost Dungeon both as an fractal version plus the Thaumanova fractal. But we probably get some Scarlet crap.
Scarlet will probably be used as the lore reasoning/excuse for them bring back MF and AR as fractals. “Studying the enemy” and whatnot.
Whether or not they are going to tie her into the Reactor fractal, is anyone’s guess at the moment. From my understanding, the fractals are mostly used for what if’s, maybes, and possibilities of the Tyrian universe, since nothing of them is totally accurate.
Scarlet has a shelf life though, and she know her story arc is ending sometime next year. It would be kinda weird for them to heavily tie her into a fractal that will out last her. My guess though? They will probably keep the fractal to Inquest, Mists, chaos magic, and Elder Dragon elements. With maybe a couple of ultra vague possible hints to the future.
-She was born smart.
-She was born smart.
-She was born smart.Because of the above 3 explanations, the readers are 100% convinced that the Lore Slayer’s background is legit.
>_>
I hate to break it to you, but some people are naturally born smarter than others. It happens. It is used often for villains because it sets up their superiority complex mentality so well, and it is used to explain how they are able to achieve their accomplishments.
A better question would be, if Scarlet wasn’t born with her superior intellect, how would you explain how she is able to do the things she’s able too?
And she makes mention of the second chapter of the PS – at least 3 (Malyck, Infinity Ball – both possibly related to her story – and Dead Sister – which isn’t likely related to her story). Makes me worried she’ll become a more Villain Sue and had been watching the PC since the second chapter without us knowing. Just more “she was always there” kitten pulls like the short story…
After the end of Scarlet’s Funhouse, she could have went to investigate the player(s) past. She did say they were on top of her “list of people that need sharp reminders about how insignificant they really are”. There are always connected npcs to each PS, so it wouldn’t be too hard to at least get some of the details of what happened.
I think that all references to the PS are due to the toxins. Scarlet doesn’t know any of them. Which discredits nearly everything we have seen or heard in this tower and even in any places since those toxins have been spread anywhere.
I think it’s very possible that Scarlet might know some of what happened during the player’s PS. Or at least, the players that did Scarlet’s Playhouse. At the end, she made a point of telling the player(s) that they are now on top of her kitten list. I wouldn’t put it past her to go researching on the life of her new top enemies.
She did some research on the player to be able to give them her “gift” at the end of that LS. Unless of course, those in-game delivery pigeons are the equivalent of the magically homing owls of Harry Potter.
I did notice during the final cut scene that Scarlet point of view on those strategic losses were in fact personal victories. As she treats every loss as a learning curve for her next plan.
I didn’t see it like this. I saw it like “I don’t care if it failed. It caused ruckus and I’ll be remembered for ever !”
Though Scarlet was more interested and fascinated with the College of Synergetics, her personality reminds me more of those in the College of Dynamics, the first college she entered…
" The members of this college are typically enthusiastic about their highly experimental work, spontaneously imagining potential solutions to problems no one else yet perceives. They are known for devising ingenious, highly unstable and equally unpredictable contrivances, always on the bleeding edge of asura high magitechnology. Members of the college believe that an experiment is only a failure if nothing is learned from it."
What may look like loses to us, aren’t really loses to her. We always sabotage her plans, but she always gets something out of it in the end. Whether it is: new minions, new information/knowledge, just causing chaos, or a new piece of tech to add to her growing collection.
I don’t see her being redeemable, or her going willingly if she was ever apprehended. I’m guessing that when we do kill her, since I see her going down fighting if she can’t escape, her death will be the catalyst to whatever is next story wise. Whether that is the next Elder Dragon or the next LS arc is anyone’s guess.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Scarlet has a dead man’s switch on whatever the heck she is planning/making. Once she’s down, whatever it is either gets released or explodes catastrophically.
they arent stupid, the krait are a very intelligent race and theyre making it out like theyre morons being manipulated -_- way to go for obliterating gw1 lore and my favourite race ty anet
LOL!
Their whole entire race is being constantly manipulated by their corrupt power hungry priesthood. It wouldn’t be all that shocking if Scarlet made a deal with them, and they changed their holy “script” to make the rest of the Krait fall in line. Since the Krait are raised to be religious fanatics, and to never question their holy “script”; that’s all it would take to get them on their side.
Asura are smart. But as a child they still need to attend elementary and high school before entering one of the collages.
Scarlet never attended the Asuran elementary and high schools. Her “education” in the Pale Tree is mostly Ventari’s teachings. Sure perhaps the Pale Tree would teach her kids whatever science knowledge she knows. But there is no way they would be as science focused as the Asura.
And then Scarlet walks right into the 3 Asuran collages and get accepted into all 3. No explanation was ever given.
When the story writer decides to get away from the stereotype, and didn’t give any explanations, the story falls apart.
Did you read her short story? At all? Because if you had, it would have answered almost all of these questions.
First, she was born naturally intelligent. She could look at something, and she understood how it worked and how it effected the things around it. She built on this over the years by studying engineering at the Grove, and most more further later on in Rata Sum.
“Ceara opened her eyes to a vibrant world of greens and golds and earthy browns. Sunlight streamed down through the canopy, nourishing the great trees and warming the ground level vegetation. All around, creatures of every shape and size called to one another, exploring, chasing, being chased, always in motion.
Ceara blinked, pleasantly overwhelmed by it all. The world was a fascinatingly complex system of smaller, interlocking systems that affected one another in an ever-changing dance. It was beyond fascinating: it was life itself, and now she was a part of it."
Second, she didn’t just walk into Rata Sum and instantly get accepted to all three colleges. They didn’t want to accept her at all at first, because she was non-Asuran, and they thought she in no way would understand any of the coursework.
“She found that convincing the three great colleges to let her in was the hardest part. Apart from their inherent bias against non-asura, they did not relish a lowly sylvari with delusions of academic excellence “diluting” or “contaminating” their student body’s collective brain power. When Ceara constructed a fully functional golemite on the fly from a small power crystal, a handful of raw ore, and a few select spells, the Arcane Council begrudgingly granted her provisional status as Dynamics student.
She completed the Dynamics coursework in under a year as the highest-ranked student in her class. Chagrined, the councilors give her the same opportunity in Statics. When she achieved similar results in a similar time frame, they were intrigued enough to see if she could do the same with Synergetics.
Synergetics took quite a bit longer, however, as Ceara finally found a field of study that was a boundless as her interest. She immersed herself in Synergetics’ miasmic mix of mystical energy patterns and arcane probabilities; in its focus on chaos theory and mapping unpredictable connections; in the pursuit of hidden knowledge and secret mechanisms derived in equal parts from the contemplation of the ephemeral and the application of the practical."
Third, she didn’t do the entire coursework of each college. She only got a degree in advanced engineering at each one. Though, not in the short story (since it was in-game), this is backed up by Emissary Vorpp in the Closing Ceremony instance, during Clockwork Chaos.
“Emissary Vorpp: Of course. I know of this Scarlet. She earned advanced engineering degrees at each of Rata Sum’s colleges in record time.
Emissary Vorpp: "Engineering prodigy,“ they said. “Intuitive grasp of phenomenological design and transcendent systems.“ Pfah, I say. Pfah!
All the information regarding her superior intellect have been there for months, so you can’t say they “didn’t give any explanations”. All you had to do was look for it.
Maybe she came from another tree, like that one guy in the sylvan I storyline who came from a different pale tree. This is easily so considering she was once a seed, and there could defiantly be other seeds that rooted down somewhere else.
As said numerous times before in this thread, her short story confirmed she came from the Pale Tree. This is backed up in-game by Caithe, during the Twilight Assault LS. Caithe said she remembered meeting Scarlet while she was still living in the Grove, and she said she wasn’t impressed with what she say.
It’s kinda funny that you guys making him out to be this passive stoner wizard who just doesn’t give a kitten about anything.
Since we have little to no information on the guy, we can only guess at this point, but I was thinking of him having more casual arrogance.
“Why should I care about things that are beneath me?”
I would think that any wizard with a floating tower/castle, and a horde of bound elementals, would think something similar.
Asura =intelligence and theoretical science
Human = magic and history
Char = crafting and practical science
Norn = raw strength and bravery
Sylvari = huge population and unity with natureWhen Anet makes new characters in the future, they should first think about which races would make the most sense for that character.
So, basically, you think when Anet decides to make new characters, they should decide which race they are by seeing which racial stereotypes they fit into? That’s a horrible idea when trying to make a compelling story. Not to mention, all the characters would all start to blend together after awhile.
One of the few pros for Scarlet, is that she isn’t the stereotypical nature loving Sylvari.
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I’m in agreement. Scarlet isn’t so much a Slayer of Lore, but she’s just not written very well. Kind of like the average villain of a Captain Planet episode (“We’re polluting because, bahahaha, we’re evil and crazy!”).
I wouldn’t say it was her writing that was the problem. We would need to actually need to know her possible motives and methods, for it to be more of the writing. All we are getting from her, at the moment, are the results of her actions and a brief encounter of her character. After we see all this, all we can really do is scratch our head, and we think,“How in the hell is she doing all this, and why?”.
I would say its more of the handling of her entire character in general. While we in the forums discuss everything to death, and we go over every possible detail and clue for the future possibilities, she seemed, for most of the playerbase, to come out of nowhere. They could have spread out a couple more clues to her existence in FF and DB.
How they presented her backstory didn’t help matters much either. Stuck-up, ill-tempered, intelligent loner type of childhood? That’s fine. It’s a classic villain backstory. Them saying she took an Eat, Pray, Love tour of the world to learn from everyone? Not so much. They could have removed all that text and replaced it with, “After learning all she could in the Grove, Ceara left to travel and learn from other sources, before coming to study at the Colleges of Rata Sum.” It’s short, sweet, simple, and deliciously vague on details.
They could have even turn it into a surprise easter egg hunt later on. Every LS dealing with her in someway, they could have put in extra dialogue, dealing with her backstory, to the npcs she studied under. It could have been a nice tie into what she is doing at that time. Her first appearance? Random Inquest member in Rata Sum. Invasion events? Norn and Charr teachers. It could have also tied into the events of FF. Toxic Alliance? Sylvari teachers at the Grove, and her lonesome Hylek mentor.
All in the handling. ; ;
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Because they don’t bombard you with poisonous spores from above?
Centaurs can make trebuchets to rain down fiery rubble on the town, but he doesn’t seem all that concerned with them either. What’s a few poisonous spores, when there are air and fire elementals around?
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The fractals can be about the past, present, or future, but they aren’t the past, present, or future. They are simply echoes of events that the Mists copied, and bad copies at that.
I can’t help but wonder what kind of effect these spores could have on the Pale Tree if properly applied…
Hmm…
That could be a possible way to attack the Dream, in a sense. She might not have control over it, or understand fully, but the Pale Tree does have the power to transport people there and might hold a degree of influence there. If the Pale Tree does get infected with the spore/toxin, the hallucinations and madness might have a chance of spilling over into the Dream, or Scarlet might be seeking a way to enter the Dream, like the player did.
I’m not sure how you would infect something like the Pale Tree with the spores though. Obviously, she doesn’t have any lungs, and I’m not sure if it would effect her avatar really. If she sensed it was in any danger, she could simply dispel it.
Maybe she could try poisoning her water supply? She has the Krait after all. Or, maybe she can try to enact her hallucination/vision/whatever, and she can used the poisoned thorns of an huge magic infused coiling briar.
On a side note, I want to glare at whoever is editing the wiki atm. On the Pale Tree page, they have it written down that the Pale Tree is the creator of the Dream, and she’s the one that puts the collective knowledge and emotion of the Sylvari into it.
-.-
Where did you think all the crafting dusts came from?
=P
Unless (benevolent ruler) Abaddon was able to lay the smack down on the Elder Dragons, since he didn’t leave in the opposite world, they would have consumed the huge amount of magic the races of Tyria were using, and most likely destroyed the world.
There is one thing you forgot. When the gods granted magic, they granted it to everyone, not just humans. So in opposite world, the gods would have first sealed magic further, then they would have released a large amount of magic into the world.
On top of trying to free the Sylvari from the Dream and Nightmare, I think that Scarlet might want to do something against the Pale Tree as well.
Good point but the Pale Tree is the caretaker of the Dream so one can view ridding the sylvari of the Dream and Wyld Hunts to also be doing something against the Pale Tree to make her no longer the caretaker of the Dream.
Other than trying to divorce the Pale Tree from the Dream, I was thinking more along the lines that Scarlet might actually take on the Pale Tree as a whole.
If the Dream and Nightmare are gone, Scarlet would probably see the Pale Tree as more of a threat. The Pale Tree would be the lone survivor, still the “Mother Tree”, and even with the lack of the Dream; she would still help guide the race in all things. That, to Scarlet, could be the last remaining shackle holding the Sylvari back for true freedom, as she sees it.
Though, like I said, I’m not sure how she would go about any of this. The Sylvari race as a whole are reliant on both the Dream and the Pale Tree. The Pale Tree is needed for obvious reasons, and the Dream is needed to give fundamental knowledge to all born Sylvari. Without it, they would be basically adults sized newborns.
If we do fire a mega-laser or cauldron at it, whatever OP mesmer at the top, with shroud the entire tower with a huge feedback dome.
Right before we die horrible deaths due to reflected projectiles, we’ll hear Scarlet cackle saying, “Die die die die die!”.
On top of trying to free the Sylvari from the Dream and Nightmare, I think that Scarlet might want to do something against the Pale Tree as well. What that is, i’m not really sure at this point, but she seemed very fixated by it in the short story.
“Disappointment soured Ceara’s fascination. Was this it, then? Were the lives of all sylvari so easily encapsulated? Birth, travel, experience, death, all played out under the dictates and philosophies of the godlike entity that created them?”
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“Then Ceara was the vine, squeezing the great tree’s trunk like a desperate lover. The tree struggled against her: she was meant to be part of it, to participate in its grand purpose. Instead, she was no more than an irritant, a provocation.”
Scarlet doesn’t like the control the Dream, Nightmare, and the Pale Tree has over the Sylvari. Other than maybe the Soundless, they guide and shape the entire race’s life. But, Scarlet seem, to me anyway, to see herself on the same level at the Pale Tree.
She sees herself as someone who is suppose to lead the Sylvari to their next evolution, and the manipulations of the Dream/Nightmare/Pale Tree as keeping them in a cycle that would lead to their demise.
" She refused to accept that. Everything she had learned said that no system, no matter how complex, can perpetuate itself indefinitely. Those that did not evolve inevitably failed."
I don’t understand how the same people that wrote the plot, quest dialogues, and backstory in Guild Wars could produce something such as Scarlet, but I’m really hoping to be proven otherwise.
They were not written by the same person from Guild Wars 1. The person in charge of writing most of the living story and Scarlet is Angel McCoy. She is also in charge of making the game less “human centric”. How was this accomplish? By screwing up GW 1 and making them insignificant. At the same time, she favor the Sylvari race by adding that abomination of Scarlet into the game. Here is a interesting link in regard to Angel and how she is destroying GW 1.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lore/Angel-McCoy-Interview
You make it sound like Angel is the only writer on GW, and all her decisions are final. And if you read that entire interview, and the follow up since we complained so much, you would have read that the information she gave was approved by the other writers.
“I completely understand the outrage some of you feel, thinking that I’ve retconned things in a vacuum. I’d like to give you some peace of mind. Prior to my sending it off, the interview you read received a thumbs up from Bobby Stein, Ree Soesbee, Jeff Grubb, and Scott McGough. I do not work in a bubble, and if I’m releasing that much lore, then I’m going to do my best to ensure I’m getting it right. And it definitely feels like I’m sticking my neck out in the effort. No pressure. Hehe.”
All the writers approved that lore, and they are all using it. Angel is the only one getting flack for it, is because she was the one that gave the interview on the matter.
What i’m guessing…
Krait+ Husk+ Toxic Plant= Toxic Hybrid
Just because someone says something, doesn’t mean you have to agree? You could have an entirely different opinion or even just slightly agree. I wouldn’t call that peer pressure at all. Nobody’s threatening anyone to get on the forums and rage about Scarlet.
I think that’s a lame excuse of the cause behind all the Scarlet hate. She just sucks, end of story.
I never said that it was behind all the Scarlet hate. I implied it might be behind the opinion shift of people that might have a neutral view of her.
As for the bolded part, who said that there needs to be any threatening involved? The peer pressure I was talking about was conforming to the majority opinion. And in case you missed it, the forums are flooded with hate threads about her, and we’re even posting on one right now.
How is someone, who only has a neutral or even a slightly good view of her, suppose to think when they see this? A seemingly large portion of the playerbase hating on one single character, with laser point precision. Do they still agree with their own initial neutral opinion, or do they think the majority might have it correct, since obviously, almost everyone agrees with it?
Like I said before…
Isn’t peer pressure swell?
So, are you just a troll or an Anet employee? :p
There was a lot of general QQ about Scarlet in LA map chat as well.
While this new update is one of the better material we got recently and aesthetically well done, all going back to Scarlet as the preview suggests is really disappointing. But I truly hope we can end the bonkers salad once and for all.
That’s because QQing is contagious, especially on the internet. People might have a small problem(s) with a something (whether it would be a character, item, event, or place), but if they listen to a group of people say how horrible it is; it slowly starts to reshape their opinion on the matter.
That’s how Scarlet, an interesting but very lacking and flawed character in design, became, in people’s mind, the most hated lore breaking abomination that ever walked on Tyria.
Isn’t peer pressure swell?
Much easier said then done.
One, it would put a huge workload on the developers. Each time they make content, they would have to personally fit it to the decisions of each server. And as each server gets more diverse, the longer it would take them to put out content. Every more so, if one server’s previous actions come in conflict with the newest LS. The same problems happens from games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age. The more decisions and/or outcomes that are available, the harder it is to write the story respecting them all.
For example, let’s say only half of the servers drive out the Toxic Alliance, but after a year’s time; a new force would invade Kessex Hills, maybe the Destroyers. That means that half the servers get TA vs. Destroyers content, while the other servers get just Destroyers. Needless to say, some of the community would be very upset with that.
Which moves onto the second problem. What happens when people and servers are stuck with choices they don’t want? People can’t play everyday, and small servers might have a harder time completing the necessary events to change the LS outcomes. Even more so, if a good portion of a small servers population is logged off most of the day, and when they do get on; they don’t have the time or patience to do large scale LS events.
Unless they make server transfers free, should they get stuck with permanent LS changed they don’t want?