I like how Aegis looks though, especially with GSes.
I’ve been planning on getting an i5-6600k whenever they come out, but I’ve noticed 2500k+mobos going fairly cheaply on hardwareswap which seem pretty tempting. The only games where I’m really hurting for performance in are GW2 and GTAV; I’m only upgrading because I want to blow my money on something.
Assuming I can pick up a 2500k+mobo for $175 and sell my current stuff for $70-80, would the performance from a reasonably overclocked 2500k be worth the price or should I drive to microcenter for a 6600k later on?
You can always make it transparent. I moved it up top and put the see through option on for my laptop.
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In general, as an Engineer, you’ll want to be switching into and out ofall of your kits to do the most damage. I’m not sure which is better if you’re just camping one of the two, though.
Someone posted 7.4k hours as of the 1000th day, so you’re definitely not the “worst”. I’m personally at 1600 hours (exactly) after 736 days with little or no AFKing.
Most MMOs? That certainly is not true for the MMORPG segment, what major games are played by point and click?
Off the top of my head….Neverwinter, Age of Conan, DDO and LotRO. There is WASD movement, but also an option for simple point and clicking as well.
WASD is still the primary (and superior) method of movement in those, though. That being said, Mabinogi was all mouse movement and did it quIte well, and Flyff had both but mouse movement was much better.
The only awkward thing about the controls (imo) is that right click doesn’t turn your character unless you move it in some way. If you don’t, it just moves the camera. I’m used to it at this point, though, so it’s not even a big deal.
On a side note, I’ll never understand players who can’t stand still for a second. They’re constantly running and jumping, and spamming effects, even in a small area, or when running somewhere, they’re constantly jumping along the way. It doesn’t hurt my gameplay in any way, shape, or form, but I always think to myself “WTF are they doing?”
It’s usually just something to do.
That being said, GW2 is just a game where you can do whatever you want. Even though it’s an RPG, that doesn’t mean it’s a game specifically for roleplaying. If the Norn dude was running around doing whatever or wanted an out of the way place in Rata Sum to AFK or something, why does your desire to play the game how he wants overrule his right to play the game how he wants?
Yeah, a Pentium should do great for GW2. I’d just only buy one if my budget was in the $400 range, not the $550 range.
I’m not sure how the TX line is, but 650W is more then enough for pretty much any GPU on the market, so that should be a nonissue.
A highly clocked Pentium should beat an i3 but against a 3.7 GHz 4690 I’d say it’ll basically be a wash for GW2. The i5 will just be better for multitasking/other games.
Valid point, actually. I didn’t think of that at all. I just can’t really recommend a $60 GT730 in good faith…
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I also don’t find paying a little extra for a modular supply to be a bad choice and I’ve never had a corsair brand psu go bad on me.
It wasn’t “a little extra”, it was $60 more (over 300% the price of what was necessary). I also happily recommend Corsair PSUs, especially the CX430 which goes on sale for $20-25 all the time. The one you picked was just not a great choice.
If you want to go dirt cheap you could use a cardboard box for a case too…
There’s going dirt cheap, and there’s not blowing money for no reason. Even a really cheap build can get a decent case.
Where do you find that gw2 likes 3 cores, for playing gw2 I’d rather have a higher clock speed than an extra core, but maybe there is more info on that?
All of the extra threads the game runs (besides the one main one) like to have the extra cores. I’m not sure how much of a difference it will make, but overall the i5 is a way better choice then a Pentium, especially if the TC ever wants to play other games.
Can you go into detail as to why that video card is garbage? I don’t doubt you, I just don’t know how to differentiate between the good and the bad. How do I tell? What’s the giveaway? What do I look for?
It’s an nVidia GT210. You need to look at the model number. The first number denotes the series, and the 2nd number is where the card falls within that series. So, a GT210 is from the 200 series (we’re currently on the 900 series, although the 300 and 800 series were skipped), and it’s the worst card within that series.
AMD’s numbering system is slightly different. Up through the 7000 series, the first number is the series and the middle 2 numbers are the level within the series. So, a 6950 is in the 6000 series (2 series old), and it’s the 2nd best card within the series (it goes 6850<6870<6950<6970). Their new series, the R9 2xx series, is numbered similar to nVidia’s cards except they have Xs. So, a 270x is a better card then a 270, but a 280 will beat the 270×.
You’ll want at least like an nVidia 560ti or an AMD 6850 for GW2. A 570 or 6950 is all you’ll need to run at high/max settings.
Suffer for now and save your dollars for this for $70-75. Anything you can get cheaper, unless it’s a refurbish card, is likely not to be that noticeably faster than the integrated one in your i5-4590 and if you are going to spend money, you should want noticeably faster.
Honestly, I still need to recommend going used at that price point. $75 is 7850 2 GB range, and even a 6950 would be a better buy then that.
That card is an absolute piece of garbage. Don’t buy it. It’s just an incredibly low-end card, your integrated GPU is most likely more powerful then it.
You’re getting too caught up in terms of Vram. Like normal RAM, it only really matters if you don’t have enough. Find a decent card, then pick the version with enough vram (probably 2 GB these days). Don’t say “I need 2 GB of vram” then go buy something with that because you’ll end up throwing away money.
There’s personal style and then there’s throwing away $100 on completely unnecessary stuff. Your build didn’t even have an SSD, though, and fitting it in would add to the price quite a bit. For what your setup was costing, though, proper allocation of money would easily allow someone to fit an SSD into the budget.
You forgot to include the CPU cooler in the build and saved him maybe $15-20 after that.
It’s a locked CPU, he doesn’t need an aftermarket cooler.
All you’ve gotten him instead is a more expensive quad core that won’t help much with gw2 considering most of its performance is bound up in a single thread, at that point being able to OC the core it is running on brings a greater performance increase than two extra cores, imo.
It’s a slightly more powerful per core CPU, and GW2 likes having 3 cores. The i5 is the better choice all day long. I also got him a significantly more powerful GPU and I saved a great deal of money by not throwing it away on a grossly overpriced 450W PSU.
In any case, your build was ok, but if you’re getting a 750ti+G3258 it should only be in the $400 or less range these days (Or you should just get a 270x+G3258 but that’s another discussion). Your choices inflated the price of the build far above what it really should have been ($140 750ti? Really?).
That would make it difficult to gather opinions, but if ArenaNet feels it should be merged, it’s their forum. Personally I feel that it should remain its own thread so that people can gather opinions here instead of perusing a megathread.
EDIT: Well, it was merged. I suppose I’ll have to look for the opinions some other way.
It’s two threads that are going to have the exact and conversation about the exact same thing. Did you really think it wasn’t going to be merged?
You might be better off asking on specific cards in your budget, and seeing if anyone has that card and can give you some idea on how it handles FPS in certain situations (e.g. settings + fps while fighting Svanir Shaaman etc
Like I said above, used 2 GB 6950s go for $60 all day long. kitten GT720 is just a way to throw away $50 in my eyes, it’s not worth it at all. Especially since a 6950 can run this game on high/max pretty easily.
It has been discussed and the majority is against it.
I’d like to see some numbers to back that up.
Personally I’d like to see both of these as well, open-world dueling moreso then inspecting. Imo having dueling be in some specific area/arena would be far from ideal, since dueling is a great way to kill time while waiting for a world boss to spawn or that sort of thing.
If you’re shopping in the $50 range, go to $60 and buy a used 2 GB 6950 or something. Nothing new for $50 is really going to be worth it.
Eles are the top DPS in the game, they can bring quite a bit to the table in terms of might stacking/fury, their Celestial D/D build is one of the best in PvP these days and they can do some amazing burst damage if they want to.
There’s plenty of reason to play an Ele these days.
Honestly, I’d say give an Engineer a try. Using the kits really isn’t hard, and you can try a ranged setup with rifle/grenades/sort of flamethrower. Also, you get to push less of buttons with them,which I personally quite like.
This kills your ability to control the camera and ground target separately though, which would hugely kitten you.
If you play on a t1/t2 server, and are regularly fighting large blobs you will want a strong graphics card, I personally recommend nvidia. In my experience they perform better, last longer and are generally more convenient in terms of price, size, power supply reqs, heating etc.
One great card is the Geforce GTX 750 ti, its small, powerful, runs quiet and cool, has a low power supply req only 300w which is standard for most desktops so you wont need to buy an extra power supply AMD/ATI cards generally have a very high PS req and consumption, and has a decent price for what you get out of it.
AMD is the better choice at or under ~$300, so unless you’re getting a 980 or above. AMD also destroys nVidia at higher resolutions at the same price point (1440P+). Lastly, there’s no reason to buy a 750ti these days when a 270x is much more powerful and like $10 more. Honestly, nVidia makes nice GPUs, but AMD is a great/better choice in many/most situations these days. Also, the heat/longevity/quality of your card will be a factor of the brand (MSI, EVGA, Sapphire, etc), not AMD or nVidia.
All of that being said, GPU isn’t really that important at all. An R7 260X or 750ti should be more then enough to ruin this game on ultra if you have a clocked i5 or i7 to go with it.
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Leveling shouldn’t even exist in games. It’s just a way to timegate/make you grind for actual fun things/keep you around longer. If GW2 didn’t have levels would the game be any different at all? I don’t think so, there’d be a lot more alts I’d think though.
So you want a game that just gives you everything instantly?
That’s not what he said at all and you know it.
I think the leveling is much better then the leveling elsewhere. It took me multiple years to your the level cap in most other MMOs I’ve played because it just took way too long and much of the game is focused at endgame so I’d end up taking breaks and adding to the amount of time it took to hit the cap. Even GW2 could have been fine with like 50-60 levels in my eyes. Having leveling take large amounts of time is just a cheap way to pad out an MMO, creating more playtime and increasing the number of hours a player needs to spend to enjoy the game without actually creating more content.
So in your mind, exactly what would “late game” content be?
That looks pretty good to me, although I need to question going for Windows 7 over Windows 8; I don’t really see a reason to take the downgrade. I also don’t know how necessary the 200mm fan is going to be, either, but in any case you sometimes just need to go for style points. Others might find other things to nitpick about, but overall that’s a solid build.
Case choice is a tossup, honestly. Too much about it is personal preference for me to be able to say anything.
It’s what leads up to it… :/. Research, research, and more of it.
What more do you really need to research? You yourself put together a pretty solid build, and people are always willing to critique them. Researching the construction process can be done by just watching a couple video guides, and then if you have one open while you’re building you’ll be more then fine.
And if I get a wrong part, or something doesn’t fit?
People are more then willing to double check your builds to make sure that sort of stuff doesn’t happen.
Or if I receive a defective one? Or if I break something.
That can be an issue, but if you have until the end of June you’ll have plenty of time to RMA something if need be. Not breaking stuff is pretty easy/manageable, too; nothing really needs to be forced, and if you’re forcing stuff it’s likely going into the wrong place.
There’s cat and dog hair everywhere, regardless of how much I vacuum. That’s what I get for having a husky (especially) during shedding season.
Not an issue at all, honestly. My house is the same way (my cats shed a ton), but if you have a clean table it’s fine.
I’m sorry if it seems like I’m really trying to push the whole build the computer thing (even though it is the best way to go), but it just seems like a lot of your fears are somewhat unfounded. And, you can always get most of it built and save some money/buy better parts by doing the easiest stuff (GPU/wireless card) yourself.
I’m personally a fan of sword/torch and axe/dagger for PvP. I don’t use conditions in PvE so i can’t comment as much there, but I’m inclined to think that axe/torch+shortbow is the way to go.
That. The German amazon HOT item has been posted since February. There’s no way it’s legit.
In that case, I stand corrected
Also fermi, you’ll probably want to report that listing as a fraudulent one. I strongly doubt Amazon is selling legitimate pre-orders before Anet’s even doing so.
It’s Amazon’s listing, so it’s definitely not fraudulent. They most likely put it up too early on accident.
Friends were tossing around the idea that because I transferred my Guildwars 2 file from my old PC to an external and then to my new PC that may have caused some issues.
In general, this shouldn’t cause any issues, just as a note of future reference. I’m actually playing a copy of GW2 that I transferred from my laptop hard drive to my desktop hard drive and back to a fresh install of windows on the laptop hard drive right now and it’s 100% fine.
$50 or so apparently… Honestly, that makes me a bit hesitant.
There is nothing in the files that name a price.
The price is based on sites that have no clue about release date or release price.
It’s currently listed on Amazon.de at 45 Euros. That’s $50 or so.
That would be a no for me… they have not revealed nearly enough content and features to justify charging $50… maybe $20…
Yeah, I’m thinking my max will be in the realm of $30 US. Even $35 is pushing into full-fledged game territory.
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I’m curious, why is it either/or? Also, you can always buy a prebuilt computer without a GPU, then pick up a GPU separately yourself to save a good bit of money ($50+), which takes all of 1-2 minutes. And by superclocked i5, do you mean a K model/overclockable one?
That being said, it should take ~3-4 hours to build the computer, maybe 5 if you’re going to install the basics (Skype, Teamspeak, drivers, some sort of media player, etc) for your husband.
On ecollegePC.com’s Intel i5/i7 builder, I picked:
CPU: i5-3690k ($204)
Heatsink/Fan: Hyper 212 EVO ($35)
Motherboards: MSI Z97 PC Mate ($44)
Memory: 8 GB (4 GBx2) ($76)
Hard Drive: 1 TB 7200 WD Blue ($57)
Case: Corsair Black Carbide Series 200R ($36)
Power Supply: 600W Corsair CX600 ($28)
Wireless Networking/Bluetooth: ASUS USB-N10 Wireless USB adapter ($15) (You could get a $10 PCI x1 of these or whatever and install it too)
Which totals $817. With Windows 8 for $15 from that subreddit I linked, you’ll have $170 or so to pick out a GPU.
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$50 or so apparently… Honestly, that makes me a bit hesitant.
My cousin has the EXACT same build as me and ran it butter smooth 60fps anywhere at any time.
No, he doesn’t. That is 100% impossible.
My CPU is perfectly fine, it’s simply not putting any load on my GPU.
Even if the game utilized your GPU fully, that CPU isn’t powerful to run the game at 60 FPS everywhere.
Theres nothing wrong with a phenom black II 965, hands down one of the flagship CPUs out there.
Yeah, back in 2009. That was 6 years ago.
Could be a simple setting in bios where it pulls off my onboard mobo graphics too.
If your monitor is plugged into your GPU, it’s pulling off of the GPU.
An overclocked CPU is definitely a good idea since the game is so CPU bottlenecked; Intel CPUs see linear gains from overclocking, so getting to 4.2-4.4 GHz on a 4690k will give you ~25-30% better performance then you would get by leaving them stock.
An overclocked GPU can help, but it’s usually not the thing holding you back so it’s not quite as necessary.
If you are swapping out the mobo, check for Asus Z97-Pro (AC version if it is your thing), Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD5H (pricier), or a MSI Z97 GAMING 5.
Both of those are way higher end then is needed with a non-overclocking CPU. ~$60 will buy a decent ATX/mATX motherboard for a non-K CPU.
Yeah, I added the K version of the 4690. I might remove it as I think its only worth the extra price if I’m going to overclock it.
Remember that you can get a much cheaper mobo and you don’t need the CPU cooler if you drop down, so you can save quite a bit more TV.
…If I build it myself. I’m still juggling the idea. Part of me says it’s too risky. The most I’ve put electronic parts together (the part of this I’m most scared of) was a new keyboard for a laptop, and removing and replacing keys on Mac keyboards. I’m not sure that and research is enough. We’ll see.
Honestly, I didn’t even do that much when I had built my computer. It’s basically an easier version of legos as long as you’re careful.
This ends up making it cheaper, maybe by $100, $150-$175 after shipping. Though I would prefer the NZXT Guardian 921 RB ATX if it will work with the components.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GNKzxrI also have to make sure that all these components will work in the case (especially if I get the NZXT Guardian) and with the motherboard. Unless pcpartpicker is that good that I don’t have to double check. I’m going to keep playing around with it for a few days.
That case should be fine. It’s an ATX case for an ATX motherboard, so there shouldn’t be any problems. In any case, that build works great as well. I think it’s worth noting that that build has a better CPU+mobo then the prebuilt one, so the price gap won’t be quite as big as it could’ve been, but it’s a great build overall.
That 960 looks amazing for the price. I’d love to pick one up one day.
An R9 285 is better for the same price, though. Even an R9 280 would be better.
Each part has its own warranty from the manufacturer. For example, if my GPU died I’d talk to Sapphire about getting a replacement. If something is DOA you’ll want to contact the place you bought it from, but during the warranty period it’s the manufacturer.
Pcpartpicker.com is the place to go to put together builds.
Very, very few games are heavily multithreaded these days, though. It’s why AMD is so far behind when it comes to gaming. It may seem more future proof, and you will be getting a performance increase when you take advantage of all of the cores, but I really don’t see i5s having performance issues any time soon.
Also, TC, if you build yourself you’ll have more then enough room in your budget for an SSD.
Clockspeed is completely irrelevant unless you’re comparing CPUs with the same architecture; if you have two of the same type of CPU, like an i5-3570k, and one is at 3 GHz while the other is at 4, the 4 GHz one will have ~33% higher performance then the one at 3 GHz. However, if you have two entirely different CPUs, like an i5-3570k and an FX-8350, you can’t just compare their clockspeed, since they’re completely different architectures; even if the 8350 is at 5 GHz and the 3570k is at 3, the 3570k will have higher single-core performance.
When it comes to GW2 and similar games, single core performance is an important metric, as well as number of cores. However, the number of cores will only matter if you don’t have enough. An i7 only has slightly better single core performance then an i5, but it has hyperthreading (basically, 2 threads per core; it’s acting a bit like an 8 core, although the 4 “real” cores will be a bit better then the “virtual ones”. Essentially, it’s going to be much better when you can take advantage of all 8 threads). So, because the performance increase isn’t from higher performance per core per clock, and an i5 has plenty of cores/ability to handle GW2, going to an i7 isn’t worth the price increase.
This is what I got last year when I rebuilt my desktop computer: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/artanis00/saved/fnpp99
Holy overpriced RAM Batman. Also, these days spending a little more for a 270x instead of getting a 750ti is wise thing to do. Definitely not a bad setup, you can just do better these days for the same price.
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You should be able to get a 290X/970 assuming a budget of $1000. I’d personally opt for a 290X, since they’re a decent kitteneaper- $280-300 or so for a nice one.
Even if building a computer seems scary, it’s honestly super easy. Everything goes in one place and as long as you’re careful you’ll be fine.
I’d recommend going with something like: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JHzJXL with a copy of Windows from reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap, but the one you picked out should do fine. You don’t need an aftermarket CPU cooler if you’re not overclocking, but if you really want one just get a Hyper 212 Evo instead of some fancy water cooling unit.
Newegg has some excellent video guides as well. Look up “Newegg how to build a PC” on youtube and it should turn up; iirc part 2 involves actually putting stuff together.
The first one should do fine. I’d strongly recommend against ibuypower and cyberpowerpc, though, and I’d suggest that you actually build the computer yourself. You’re paying quite a bit to have the competer put together for you. You could either build the same thing for a lot less or get a much better computer for the same amount of money.
That second one is a massively overpriced piece of junk, though.
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