That intel build looks pretty good. Fermi, but is the 650 ti really necessary? Medium settings was my overall goal. Shouldn’t a 7770 get me medium just fine?
You should easily run on medium/high on a 7770. However, if you want to play other games, especially as time progresses, the 650ti will do much better. Also, for higher resolutions (ie 1080P) it’s good to have the 2 GB card as opposed to the 1 GB.
Personally, I’d just go for the 650ti, but you can grab the 7770 if you want.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1BsMZ
Edit: Grabbed some cheaper ram.
Remade the build I listed earlier. This would definitely be better as well as it lands perfectly in your price range and you get a free game.
Nice. And that’s how you play by the rules guys.
The PSU is excessive, an aftermarket heatsink is unnecessary, there’s no reason to buy Windows 7, and you can easily get by without a disk drive (although it can be convenient). Although, now that I double check, the CX430 isn’t $25 atm so no reason to drop that down. And if you really want the disk drive:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1BsV3
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$650 and a 7770 and FX-4300+4 GB ram? Dear lord that’s awful. I did better 6 months ago. (i3-3220, 2 GB 7850 (and I bought a rather expensive model), and 8 GB ram).
AMD build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1BryJ
Intel build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1BrBY
The Intel build will be better for GW2, but the AMD one is potentially more futureproof and will be better for heavy multitasking. Also, the AMD CPU can be OC’d, but it’ll still fall behind Intel for GW2.
That looks fine, honestly. You won’t see high CPU use because GW can’t make use of all threads, just 3, so it shouldn’t go above 40% or so (3/8). As for GPU use, the game doesn’t need an entire 780 to render everything.
Whatever you do, don’t get the 13.8b drivers. They’re performance killers in GW2. Stick with 13.4.
Dell Quietkey (12 or 13 y/o rubberdome KB that came with some old computer at some point), which is actually a really good keyboard.
Some Logitech mouse
I’ll probably get new ones around Christmas or next summer, depending on when I feel like upgrading.
80 Asuran Guardian
38 Human Ele (going to craft this to 80 soon)
14 Human Ranger
7 Human Engineer (leveling this after the Ele)
6 Human Thief
Eventually I’ll get one of each class, I guess.
That computer should be more then enough to run GW2 without issues.
What sort of temperatures does it run at while you’re gaming? Also, is it running with the 604M or is it using the Intel chip?
If you really wanted a new laptop, the $1200 option here would probably be your best bet (w/ the dual 750Ms), although I’m not sure if GW doesn’t like SLI:
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y510p/
It’s not really too much of an upgrade. Slightly better CPU, 2 better GPUs, but otherwise pretty similar.
iBuyPower, on the other hand, is for sure a site to avoid.
What drivers are you using for your GPU? If it’s the 13.8b drivers, rollback and you’ll be fine.
Having an FoV of 65/70 is just incredibly claustrophobic in any game. 90/100 feels much more natural.
I played another MMO with a default FoV of 70, and after boosting it to 100 playing was much more pleasant. I could get the camera away from my character, see things around me, and the boost to situational awareness was amazing.
I can’t attach stuff or my browser will crash, no matter which one I use >_>
got any numbers to show how much?
Just standing in the Heart of the Mists I went from getting 69 FPS to getting <12 And having amazing amounts of input lag. Lowering the settings didn’t help at all. Rolling back to 13.4 fixed it.
At which point exactly did you see me saying i was playing with low settings !! Everything is on max settings, and only reflections are to none !! I am enjoying GW2 again and for the first time the environment has every detail to be seen !!!
Good try though Fermi on reading… !
“Everything is on max settings except the things that aren’t !!”
Yeah, like Tink said, you lowered the settings that are most likely to cause lower performance. So no, you’re not running it maxed, and you lowered settings to get the performance that you wanted, just like you said.
Funnily enough, I actually can max everything just fine on my low-end Intel CPU (except WvW zergs, of course), including reflections/shadows.
Lastly, I’m far from an ‘Intel fanboy’. If anything, I’d rather go AMD- Intel is just the MUCH better option at the point in time for just about anything gaming related.
So basically you lowered the settings and got better performance. Big surprise.
My friend was getting mid/high 20s in zerg fights with a 3570k running at 4.2 GHz. A higher clocked 4670k should do fine.
There is not the slightest of chances that you can max Crysis 3 on a Phenom II and still get anything approaching playable framerates.
Also, if you really need moar coars, an i7 would be a good choice.
I noticed a pretty large dropoff in drops after a while, but it seemed a lot better after I left the Pavilion and came back. I’m not using any MF gear, but still made like 7 or 8g in ~2 hours today.
You can get EVE for like $5 during Steam sales. That’s barely B2P.
Eve is P2P.
That was in reference to the fact that you can buy play time in EVE using in game currency, making B2P/F2P a definite possibility. You do need to buy the game, though. You can’t get the play time on a trial account (our at least that appeared to be the census above).
You can get EVE for like $5 during Steam sales. That’s barely B2P.
Tell me another game where you can exchange in-game gold for cash shop currency.
Allods Online, which is also the second most P2W game that I’ve ever played.
Freezer burn.
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It’ll just mean that things take a bit longer to load.
Equal in percentage overclock or equal in clock speed. Asking because if you are talking clockspeed then you are just resurrecting the “megahertz myth” that different CPUs can do the same amount of work in the same number of cycles and that’s never been true.
I meant that if you take a 4670k and overclock it by 10%, you’ll see a gain of 10% performance in CPU limited situations. However, if you overclock an FX-8350 by 10%, you won’t see a 10% gain in CPU limited situations, it’ll be somewhere less.
Intel is king right now on thread performance, AMD has not kept up with that going the side of more threads, which is fine for multitasking or highly threaded programs/games, and the new AMD chips do very well vs its Intel counter part in these areas, but when you run into games or programs that are not made to make use of all threads, you have problems, and that’s it here. Could/should Anet made GW2 make better use of more threads in this day and age? Yes. But not really a fault of Anet for AMD vs Intel, AMD made a choice in direction which has affected it in the gamer side of things, however AMD has even stated they don’t much care about it, as the PC gaming market is very small compared to sales to OEMs, which is where the money is and AMD needs income, so the choice they made was a smart one. So AMD is not, nor is it trying to keep up with Intel on the highend, they are shooting for cheap high thread count CPU’s, and they are hitting that market very well.
Exactly. In general use, AMD takes the cake, especially on a budget. Games are just where they really fall behind.
Also, long time no see. Gale of Flyff here- I still remember having a couple decent computer related discussions with you.
I’m curious, because after upgrading to them (after 13.4), GW2 became unplayable- it ran like kitten and there was TONs of input lag. After downgrading back to 13.4, it was fine. I didn’t have any issues with Allods or Dungeon Defenders, just GW2, so it could be game specific.
I’m just wondering if anyone had the same experience/a better one.
A 7850 is plenty for GW2. I’d personally get a 4670k+mobo and oc it a bit.
If I needed a GPU, probably a 780. GW2 doesn’t like CF, so 7990 is out, and a Titan isn’t worth it with the 780 available.
Turning off HT could help, I remember seeing somewhere that it’d slightly boost the power of the physical cores. Not sure how accurate that is, though.
Core locking, though, I’m not sure about at all.
It’s not Anet’s fault in the slightest. AMD just can’t keep with Intel core for core atm, so when you use an AMD CPU in this game you’re hugely kitten.
It basically comes down to the fact that GW2 can’t take advantage of enough of the cores of the AMD CPUs to get performance on par with Intel stuff. For example:
http://anandtech.com/bench/product/677?vs=697
In the single threaded benchmarks, Intel’s lowest end i series CPU outperforms AMD’s highest offering. In the multithreaded benches, it’s the opposite. iirc GW2 only uses 2 cores, so AMD’s weaker performance per core holds them back massively.
Also, unlike Intel, AMD doesn’t show linear gains from overclocking, so even if you can get to 5 GHz you’re not getting the same boost as an equally overclocked Intel CPU would.
Pushing or pulling (ie market manipulation) can temporarily change a limited part of the market and increase or decrease the price of that part of the market drastically. HOWEVER, the market will soon return to a ‘normal’, balanced price as soon as the reseller is done.
Doing these things is massively capital dependent, which makes it even more difficult to do, or even try to do. Also, you’ll have to battle with other merchants who see what you’re doing and try to undercut you or go against you in your efforts.
@everyone who think flippers are stealing – What the kitten are they stealing?
They are stealing the fun out of the game by making the economy a shambles, each flip they do makes items more expensive to buy, which in turn makes people need more money to buy said items, which in turn makes people need to farm the game more..
Sadly most people will not stop buying things at high prices as they are naive and or stupid.
As i said ruins the game.
Lmao. Resellers help curb inflation, they don’t cause it.
Reselling and market manipulation are two completely different things. They do go hand in hand, but just reselling doesn’t manipulate the market. By manipulating the market, I mean large price increases/decreases caused for the sole reason of making a profit.
Some of us refuse to abuse the market in such a way. Flipping items and basically stealing gold from players who actually need the items should not be far more profitable than anything else in the game. We should be able to make money at a comparable rate without taking advantage of other players. Unfortunately, we can’t. And that is a design failure.
Please explain how reselling is stealing gold from players.
If you can’t see it then it’s not worth my time to explain it to you.
Nothing prevents players who want to buy things from putting in buy orders at lower prices. You pay a premium for the convenience of getting things instantly.
There’s no stealing of anything involved in the slightest.
Some of us refuse to abuse the market in such a way. Flipping items and basically stealing gold from players who actually need the items should not be far more profitable than anything else in the game. We should be able to make money at a comparable rate without taking advantage of other players. Unfortunately, we can’t. And that is a design failure.
Please explain how reselling is stealing gold from players.
You have already prove on another thread that flippers don’t want to lose the ability to make easy gold by manipulating prices.
You’ve once again proved that you don’t understand how reselling even works.
Please stop arguing something that you clearly don’t understand in the slightest. Your ignorance makes my head hurt.
I find it fun, personally. It’s got good survivability, decent damage, and each different weapon provides a new way to enjoy the class (although that isn’t unique to Guardians, I found that I liked more different weapons on Guardian then on other classes). Going to work on Thief/Ranger once I get the Guardian to 80, though, since those are pretty decent as well.
A slower HDD will just mean slower loading times. Not too huge of a deal imo.
I was fine using a dying 5400 RPM drive out of my laptop for a quite a while, and the loading times were absolutely atrocious, but it was livable.
GW2 only uses 2 threads, so your best bet is just OCing your CPU as high as it will go. Although, a GPU upgrade could help if it’s being maxed out, but CPU is definitely more important.
I got mine for $1200 with:
Intel i7 3rd Gen 2.6GHz
nVidia GeForce 640m GT 2GB
12GB DDR3 RAM
And all the other amenities.HP dv6, btw.
You got ripped off. Best of luck with it though, I have/had one and it was pretty nice but it ran too hot, the CPU fan is in the way out, And the HDD is now dying.
If suggest looking at Xoticpc.com for a Sager/Clevo or a Lenovo Y500 off of the Lenovo site (which you can get with SLI 750Ms).
What they need to do is optimize GW2 to use the GPU memory and not be CPU bound.
The nature of the game makes it CPU bound.
World versus world is just really demanding. The game only uses two cores, but push your CPU to 4.4-4.5 and you’ll be fine. No reason to get that CPU and not push it decently high.
the stock cooler sucks, i will overclock it when i get a evo,
my temps on stock i5 3570k with turbo boost to 3.8 (thats default) can get t0 70 o nmax load which scares me
Why would you get a 3570k without an aftermarket cooler? A 212+ Evo is like $40.
World versus world is just really demanding. The game only uses two cores, but push your CPU to 4.4-4.5 and you’ll be fine. No reason to get that CPU and not push it decently high.
Lvled my theif to 80 in 6hrs the other day crafting 7.5 profesions. But i had 3 other characters and a crap load of gold to waste. Cost about 60ish gold
That’s my plan for when I get one 80 and start making money.
The wife and I have 6 level 80’s each with another set at 72. We operate as a pair and mix up the adventuring with a bit of crafting, Covering the cities first nets quite a bit of experiance for no real risk or effort. It also gives you a point to port to in each area. Then we hop over to the personal stories and since our character sets are the same race we run as many branches of the story together. (so if I pick option 1 she will pick option 2). Once the storyline moves out of the city it is in we clear the province that it takes us to and then clear the story quest. (including map points and hearts). If the story gets too far ahead of our levels we either clear an extra province or craft our way up to that point.
So as a team with a couple hours a day we can run a set of characters to level 80 in a week.
Wow, surprisingly simple. Thanks for the advice
How did you do it and how many hours did it take you?
Well changed it like you guys suggested and ended up here. I do want to stick with GS/Hammer, at least for the time being, so I’m not really interested in switching to Scepter. As for the Valor line, it seems more like a support set, at least to my rather untrained eye.
There were many less changes then I expected, though xD Thanks for the help.
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Got the game a week or two ago, and I’m really liking the Guardian, specifically a Hammer/Greatsword one. Although I’m usually awful at making builds (which probably carried through to this), I wasn’t seeing what I was looking for on the forums. I’m sort of after something that will work for WvW roaming or general 1v1 or small group PvP. Although the Guardian mainly seems to be a tanky support class, the tankiness combined with the decent number of CCs, closing attacks, and what seems like ok damage makes me feel like it will do well enough.
This is what I came up with in terms of a build
I went with Signet of Resolve for the heal mainly because of the high heal amount- more heals will help me stay alive better. The slot skills are 2 closers and the Bane Signet for its knockdown. Although Signet of Wrath has a longer stun, the increased damage from the Power addition of the Bane Signet seems preferable. However, I may switch to Wrath because of the Zeal traitline.
Traits:
Zeal 10- Going for the vulnerability here, which works with the 25 trait for Radiance.
Radiance 25- Removal of boons and decreased Signet cooldowns are somewhat self explanatory. Keeping burn up (with Virtue of Justice popping or just letting it do its thing) also ties in with the increased damage from the 25 point trait.
Valor 0- Didn’t see much good here, honestly.
Honor: The vigor aids mobility. The Aegis heal is to aid survivability, with the 20% decreased cooldowns on 2h skills will help keep CCs and closers available.
Virtues-10: Fairly simple, more damage while Aegis is up to help get opponents down.
As for gear, I had been building on gw2buildcraft before noticing that the traits were outdated, but I did have the whole gear set together here.
That’s about it, I guess. Some feedback from more experienced players would be nice, as to what I should change or if this would even work at all. Thanks in advance
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