Guild Wars 2

hyjaxxx.1584:

and to Gab who insinuates that 60 of us cant take anything. thats a fairly wide assumption as events change things happen. ive seen HUGE dr and IoJ zergs get destroyed by 10-12 DH’ers..so its all subjective.

It was just a statement regarding what happened tonight. I’m not saying a 60man DH zerg can’t take anything, they are fairly decent at taking doors down. But when they face some opposition they quickly bend.

60 DH actually came into our BL tonight and actually failed to take anything except the tower outside their spawn (with breakout). At the same time they tried to golem rush VK with another 50+ people. Needless to say that failed also.

I am 100% sure DH has some good commanders, but the way siege was being utilized by Darkhaven tonight was a sad, sad display of sloppiness. Golems being portaled in under cannons, trebs and catapults being placed in Mortar range, catapults being placed in spots where you can take them out with AC’s that can’t be countered… The list goes on.

Dynnen.6405:

Whoever said that DH has almost no week time presence…lol

And yet they fail to take absolutely anything 60v15.

:(

I guess what Oozo is trying to say is that if DH realizes that instead of sending 50 people to kill us they can just get 15 decent people together and try to roll us, they have just freed up 35 people who can go do something productive.

But I guess that’s why DH is barely beating IoJ and DR in a match up where we are horribly outnumbered.

Arena Net won’t change this I am afraid.

That being said, I have no clue how people enjoy spending 100% of their WvW time fighting doors and then thumping their chests with +600ppt screenshots on the forums lol.

Prosecutor.1457:

A little fun in DR BL tonight

As long as you are having fun! I won’t be back until tonight, cya all then!

Mayhem.1935:

Just about every DR on the forums is so pompous and annoying. Maybe that’s intentional to make us mad or a defense mechanism for losing every week. Either way, enjoy last place, DR.

Last place of T6, as opposed to… First place of… T6?

For whatever reason neither IoJ nor DR is competitive in this tier. Only a fool would not enjoy last place in hopes of dropping to a tier where they are competitive.

And for the record, you are the most annoying person in these match up threads. The fact that you get mad when people call you out on being mediocre, or calling DH out on what they have experienced with your server, speaks volumes about your personality lol. You do realize that every time you call out DR on being forum trolls you are doing the exact same thing you accuse DR of right?

Small roaming groups will never be promoted. I have an account on EB and one on DR. I notice absolutely no change in the amount of zerging between the tiers (4-6). It doesn’t matter what server you are on, most people will still want to blob up in groups of 50+ for anything, the only difference is how many 50+ blobs there are around in total.

Yeah, there might be small roaming groups around, but unless you play in groups of 10+, what you can do is very limited unless you are fine with PvE’ing camps or killing low level squirrels.

One time some dude accused me of using a hack program to invite enemy players in WvW, he said he had a video of it and that he would report me.

I calmly walked up to him in WvW, asked him to target me and type /invite. I then said I had recorded footage of him using a hack program and that he should expect a ban in a few days. Needless to say he probably felt very stupid because he didn’t PM me back.

The T8 servers will now be stuck in T8 even though they would beat any server in T7 and T6 save for Darkhaven. I am really hoping for some manual manipulation from Arena Net…

Golems should be deleted from the game.

Does Arena Net have a training course where employees are taught how to answer questions without answering anything at all?

We know you are “evaluating” and “taking feedback” and “expanding features”. I would really like to know if you are going to be like Robert Hrouda who actually tells the community what is in the pipeline or continue the trend of an impenetrable veil between Arena Net and the community in regards to WvW.

toffin.5032:

A little overkill for 15 people… However we welcome it!

http://i.imgur.com/aRcojKF.jpg

Lets not pretend you only had 15 people.

We outmanned you, yeah. But not by much.

Silas Drake.8946:

Still a fan AD, I’ll see you on the field.(even if I get yelled at for chasing squirrels)

Lol. Sounds like you would get along with Interpretor very well.

nyckolag.2394:

Oozo.7856:

I’m laughing at you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wNrQH_EMcM

Congratulations! You’ve now come off as a fool, because whilst Starkk pointed out genuine flaws in your playstyle, you’re targeting a PvE orientated guild that has very little WvW presence; probably attempting to belittle them with a snide, mocking remark…

…All because one of their members told you to step up your game?

Way to ruin the WvW spirit, buddy!

Get over it.

Uhm, he pointed out genuine flaws in our play style?

Not being able to beat a groups 2-3 times as big when everyone is just playing on alts for the hell of it? There aren’t really any flaws here. The group composition you run to break zergs is very different from what they were running that one time his 2-3x bigger group actually wiped them instead of the other way around. Seriously, do you not see how silly he sounds?

Besides, I don’t point out flaws in every guild’s play style. If people did that, this thread would be 20 pages long by now. Every guild and player has flaws. If anything, I would say his actions ruin the WvW spirit, not the other way around.

I’m definitely going for Ballista first. 25% increased damage + range and faster moving bolts, along with a new skill and large blast radius on the AoE skill. If you have one person with this maxed in your zerg there is a good chance you can counter anything the enemy zerg places, since most people will probably not go for it or have it maxed any time soon.

melodey.4652:

oh gab, you just crushed some conspiracy theories

Now I am worried

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Oozo.7856:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

I laugh at you ADNOQQBTSY guys, after we wiped your group at the ogrecamp, you decide to hit us as we’re wiping DH’s zerg and still didnt wipe us, you guys arent as scary as you were a month ago, pick up your game

Heh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZAGe_2HDwc

How did we do? I guess it could have been better, someone got damaged I think.

Good on you, you can upload videos of you WINNING, how about the times you lose? Are you just not recording then? When we were wiping you, we had about 5 people in teamspeak, and the rest were pugs really… Sorry we didnt record our l33t skilz and show off only when we WIN

And its expected that you guys win, youre organised in teamspeak fighting against groups of pugs…pugs that may be new to WvW, new to PvP, lower levels, and people, like me, that are just not good at pvp going against you guys. You lot defeating twice your numbers is nothing special, it is expected, you SHOULD be defeating that many.

P.S In that video, you wiped a group of people distracted taking a camp…again, its expected that you win.

Great week nonetheless everyone!

There are a couple of things that are downright silly with your post.

1) In many of Oozo’s videos he shows us being stomped. Oozo (who records) was not there when you “wiped” us, as is evident by his previous posting.

2) It is expected, but for some reason you claim we don’t. We never brag about being awesomeleetsauce on the forums unless someone likes you has the urge to trakittenalk us. Oozo merely uploads videos because people enjoy watching them.

3) Do you think we are going to engage a group 2-3 times our size in the open field? Of course we are gonna wait until they are distracted at the camp. That zerg was scouted by our thieves a long time before the video started.

You get four times as much WXP for killing the Veteran Warg or Harpy than killing a Dolyak.

Am I the only one who thinks this is silly?

Henge of Denravi or Eredon Terrace most likely.

Dynnen.6405:

This is how I felt as we were wiping that massive DH zerg outside DR BL Hills keep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znZpNZuh8_c

Lol. I really feel that either DR and IoJ, or DH doesn’t belong in this tier. You can push in both DRBL and IoJBL with massive zergs, while at the same time having ~20 people defending your own, all the while you are holding Stonemist and your entire corner in EB.

torridstoic.7492:

Gab Superstar.4059:

torridstoic.7492:

Gab Superstar.4059:

and there is nothing gained or lost depending ono the outcome of the week.

Well … you could say that if you tried harder for points, your score would go up and you might rise a tier or two instead of dropping to tier 6. Then instead of being upset at Darkhaven zergs you could be fighting all those super-amazing-awesome squads in Blackgate or Rall.

Do you think the zergs are small and far between in the upper tiers? Have you even faced Kaineng? Maguuma? This must be the dumbest post in this thread, just wow. I welcome tier drops. Tier 7 would be even better.

rolls eyes Okay then. Far be it from me to intrude on your rock-solid worldview. And good news! Keep this up and you’ll hit tier 7 in a couple weeks. Lucky.

My worldview is based on having played in every tier, and both on EU and US.

Thanks for understanding!

Krelkain.5418:

last episide of guild of our lifes: derk haven about to secure oil rig contract, btu sister date of isle of jambo mak pressur of debonas rest five pregnants in dispute with [rise] guild millionare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxfMdC2Bqg

Lol you are the bestest at making videos Jezri! Many hugs!!!

boop<3

NevirSayDie.6235:

I don’t have a problem with how strong it is at all. I guess I wouldn’t mind if it were harder to start for the winning team, although I haven’t really seen it as an issue. I think the problem is that people want to be able to lock up an entire map and leave three people there to scout, while the rest of the server goes and takes EB. So the breakout is good for the game when used by the losing team, since it encourages widespread skirmishes all over the place instead of just zerging up and map hopping to PvD. It makes it harder for the winning server to just leave and zerg somewhere else, and easier for the losing servers to play on the winning servers’ BL.

I guess I should have explained a bit more. I don’t have an issue with the losing team using Siegerazer in their own zone for example, that is a perfect situation for which the event was designed.

However, I think it’s silly when a winning server can tie up ~20 players in a BL by spamming Siegerazer on them, especially in the lower tiers where having 20 WvW players total is not uncommon outside of prime time. Constantly defending against him is not fun at all.

torridstoic.7492:

Gab Superstar.4059:

and there is nothing gained or lost depending ono the outcome of the week.

Well … you could say that if you tried harder for points, your score would go up and you might rise a tier or two instead of dropping to tier 6. Then instead of being upset at Darkhaven zergs you could be fighting all those super-amazing-awesome squads in Blackgate or Rall.

Do you think the zergs are small and far between in the upper tiers? Have you even faced Kaineng? Maguuma? This must be the dumbest post in this thread, just wow. I welcome tier drops. Tier 7 would be even better.

@Tuulum

As I said earlier, I am not here to dictate how Darkhaven should play this game. I am simply saying that people who sacrifice fun in favor of points are playing the game wrong, because ultimately games are meant to be entertaining. I fully realize that for some people fun == points, I have been a part of such guilds too. Previously, I enjoyed capturing stuff, commanding etc immensely.

But after a while losing by 300k points every week for week upon week upon week gets tiresome, and you realize that you are just living on borrowed time, that eventually a 50-man zerg will show up and sweep across your BL, and that there is nothing you can do about it. So I tried to find fun elsewhere in WvW. For me that fun came through the good fights. Even though we knew we would be curb stomped by Ehmry Bay, we welcomed them into T5 with open arms because we knew they had some really fun 10-15 man groups who could bring new and interesting tactics to the table, who we had, or could form, good relationships that fostered friendship. I even transferred my alt account to Ehmry Bay after the match up ended to play with these guys.

We welcome most people to roam with us, provided they can hold their own, and many of these people actually choose to drift away from the whole caring for points and commanding, because they find what we do more fun. It’s my genuine belief that if more people stopped caring so much for points and instead tried to have fun on the battlefield, they could get a lot more out of WvW than they can currently.

You can still turn on as much culling as you want to.

So I would guess never.

Tuluum.9638:

Dynnen.6405:

Also since you have said we have a lack of focus on points for the week I’d disagree. Does murdering enemy players by the hundreds as they are trying to reinforce one of their defense points while someone from our server takes it not PTFO? Is sneaking into a bay keep while the other two servers fight over it, then killing everyone inside not PTFO? If you think those aren’t PTFO then maybe you should research some strategic strategies; and avoid using strategies like ‘Xerxes at Thermopylae’

Thats great and all, but I was only responding to what Gab said. And Gab made it pretty clear s/he doesnt care about points. The only thing that could have even been close to interpreted as a blanket statement was when I said it may be connected to the low point tally. The word “may” being the operative term there.

All of those things can help the server. Not sure what your point is? Maybe you misunderstood the conversation?

Either way, Ill keep an eye out for for those guilds.

It’s kind of hard t be in WvW without contributing in some way. I guess I should say that I will never go out of my way (having fun) to earn points, because I frankly feel it’s pointless working for score when you can’t really affect it in the larger picture, and there is nothing gained or lost depending ono the outcome of the week.

Well, didn’t find any of these guilds tonight, even though I spent time in every map. I did see a lot of MoRt though. A lot.

Tuluum.9638:

@Gab:

Let me ask this;

If Anet offered two game modes, one WvW and the other.. AKLJDSFLKJDF mode. WvW is basically as it is, but AKLJDSFLKJDF mode has a score based on kills rather than captured points, which would you be playing? Lets even say the kills are based on an amount that is in proportion to group sizes, meaning that if you took out a large group with a smaller group, it would count more than the other way around. Would you still play WvW, or the other game mode?

That depends on the scale. A closed environment where only certain individuals could compete against each other is not in my best interest, as I mentioned earlier. I like the way WvW works where everyone can join and you are largely anonymous unless you choose not to be, because what keeps the experience fresh for me is fighting a lot of different people.

Tuluum.9638:

I actually suspect that custom arenas, down the line, may be exactly like this. Its the only reason I brought it up. Some of us just might find it strange that you disapprove of others playing the game the way it was designed and intended (to gain points which results in a win, no matter the lack of reward other than that). This isnt specific to some server, or anything like that. WvW wouldnt have points gained by capped objectives if it wasnt designed for the teams to gain points and win the match by capping objectives.

While this is true, the ultimate goal of a game is to have fun, and it’s not like DR has queues anyway. But I think we have talked enough about fun

Tuluum.9638:

It is entirely possible its a miscommunication too, with English not being your native language. Maybe just saying you prefer to not play for points…

I think this is a pretty good representation of why I play. Sorry if it didn’t get across yet.

Thanks for staying civil with me! As I have said multiple times, I really don’t like forum drama.

Tuluum.9638:

I can understand the whole not posting your tag on the forum thing, but it definitely sits a bit strange to also brag. If you would feel more comfortable in a PM, I really would like to know who I am facing. If you think you have things you can teach me, then I want to learn. Any opportunity to learn is a good one.

Feel free to PM me in-game if you want to discuss anything. As I said earlier in the thread, we run a lot of hammer guardians and staff eles and rely on shock + combo fields (+ Mighty Blow) to win battles. Our initial hits usually take 5-10 people down. We also have very good communications and a strong leader, which helps a lot.

Oh and we are not a guild per se, we are a conglomerate of guilds who just enjoys running with each other, we usually sport ~5 tags, so most people don’t realize we are organized

Mayhem.1935:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Fizzlepip.5218:

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I don’t engage in 1v1’s

You should probably abstain from saying that you would stomp everyone anyway at a fight night unless you plan or backing it up, which, above you say you don’t do. I’m not the best player in the game(nor a confusion mesmer lol ) but if i say “i’d going to stomp everyone anyway” then i’m prepared to put up or shut the F up. ^.^

Sorry, I don’t engage in 1v1’s for the purpose of pie-throwing or bragging on the forums.

I genuinely can’t participate in the FC even though I want to, I am catching a train for Easter celebrations on Friday morning.

Fizzlepip.5218:

snip

Do you expect me to base my posts on anything else but my personal experience? Do you expect me to research every guild on a server before posting?

That’s why I say “from my point of view”. I cannot possibly keep track of everyone on a server, but what I have said about DH so far has been representative of what I have seen from them.

I don’t engage in 1v1’s or GvG’s, and it’s funny when it comes from people who say what I do is not real WvW. Are 1v1’s or GvG’s “real” WvW? No, so why use it as some kind of measurement of skill? The most important aspect of being good at zerg busting is knowing the lay of the land, using it to your advantage, but most of all assessing a situation and acting accordingly. None of these things can be found in a closed GvG situation. That is why I said any type of structured PvP is inferior to WvW for me.

Furthermore, it often leads to a lot of pie-throwing. “I killed you 1v1 noob”, “Here’s a screenshot of you scrubs. You look a little pale lying on the ground there, what’s up?” We went over that with Maguuma, I’d prefer to not do it with Darkhaven. This is also why I won’t give my name or guild away, but as I said, you can find it easily if you bother to look.

Giving your tag away often turns into a very hostile situation where every kill turns into a potential troll on the forums. I fully realize my group and I die from time to time, but I would hate for them to be the target of the trolling simply because of something I said on the forums. Sometimes maybe they just want to try out a few new builds, run around casually and stuff. For them to be instantly targeted by everyone is not something I wish on them. Everything I say or claim here are my words entirely.

Lastly, when I said I would probably stomp everyone, it was mostly a joke. Don’t put too much thought into it.

Disapproving might be the wrong word, yes. I am not a native speaker and sometimes it shows. The point I am trying to get across is that I personally could have a lot more fun in this match up if DH had more smaller groups running around, something akin to ECHO squad and Sekz on Ehmry Bay. If you took the time to read my posts you would see that I fully respect everyone’s way of playing the game and getting fun out of it, more so than some DH posters, but I still have the right to give my view on the match up and why I feel it is lacking compared to others, because this thread is about the match up after all.

TogoChubb.3984:

bullkitten

Do you always lie when trying to get your point across, do you not actually read and comprehend my posts before replying to them, or are you just not that good at forming connections in your head?

The fact that I am in a different time zone doesn’t necessarily dictate when I play, even though it might. To ask me to transfer server is purely ridiculous. If I was you I would probably say something like “You just wanna get me off the server so I stop kittenstomping you every day”. Thankfully I am not you.

Who said that WvW was about fighting for structures? I personally play WvW to have fun. What do you play it for? To see “Your team came in first” for 30 seconds once a week? You can disagree all you want but personally I would call that petty.

You can try but I will never let you dictate what I am supposed to do to have fun in WvW, and I would never dictate what Darkhaven is supposed to do to have fun in WvW. I guess that’s the difference between us. You actively try to discourage people from doing WvW simply because they don’t play it the way you do, I merely put forth my view on the match up.

I think I came across very nice in the last post, explaining why I said what I said. But man you are ramping up quickly here. I was having a perfectly fine conversation with some other people from DH, but unfortunately I cannot say the same for you. This is why I personally loathe lumping posters from servers together.

Oozo.7856:

Can someone give me the TLDR version of what is going on here? I’ve been sitting on this cannon for hours and don’t want to miss out on a chance of shooting at some dude running by the tower a couple of times.

Anger, anger, making up, understanding, rage, anger.

Mayhem.1935:

I dont know, i think Gab might be a troll. He wont say who he is, who he represents, where he will be, or when he will be on so skilled ppl can fight his uber group, says he will stomp everyone and everything in 1v1 but refuses to go to a fight night.. i dont know guys, seems like he’s/shes trying to rile us up. Just an observation. /shrug

Don’t really care what you think about me, so that’s fine.

If you really wanted to know who I am and when I will be online you could find out pretty easily.

Yes the problem is much more larger in the lower tiers. I know you guys from JQ / TC can field tons of people on every map but in the lower tiers a single breakout event can sometimes keep an entire server occupied until Siegerazer dies (which takes an extremely long time, given how few players are there). After that? Well they will just procc him again.

TogoChubb.3984:

Gab

What time do you play? We were fighting in in your borderlands for most of the evening last night and we were pretty evenly matched at west keep, then east keep, NE tower, and then you guys killed us when we got greedy and hit both the NW tower and garrison at the same time. We had 12 – 14 PD online with 4 to 5 guests in our group and none of our fights were PvDoor as you keep saying that we do.

Unless you feel that 12-14 PD is representative for all of DH I’m not sure where this “you keep saying that we do” is coming from?

I play when I can, I sleep when I want to, and I do important stuff when I need to do important stuff.

TogoChubb.3984:

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Cool. I am glad you had fun.

TogoChubb.3984:

I’m not sure where you were in all of this fighting that lasted a good 3 to 4 hours in your BL but I know I had a blast and i’m sure a lot of DR did too. There was no PvDoor last night for us. It was a back and forth battle at each structure.

Expecting me to always be online, and in the same borderlands as you, is really too much, sorry. Especially given what I wrote earlier in this thread:

“That’s more because I play in a different time zone however…”

TogoChubb.3984:

As many have stated WvW is an open world of many people working together to defeat two enemies. If you are simply looking for 1v1 you will probably be disappointed with WvW except for fight nights.

Don’t think I ever talked about 1v1. In fact, here is a quote from me. I think you will like it.

Gab Superstar.4059:

“Being able to win a 1v1 can have very little to do with your WvW prowess”

Here is another one:

“Believe me, in the grand scheme of things my ability to pick someone off 1v1 is nothing compared to what other professions can do.” (in WvW)

And a third one:

“I don’t put much stake in a 4v6 for the same reason I don’t put much stake in 1v1’s.”

I’m not asking DH to change how they play the game. I’m just describing your style of playing the game and why I disapprove of it, from my point of view. You may disapprove of my way of playing the game too.

I’m just an anonymous poster on a game forum, you are free to ignore me.

Tuluum.9638:

edit: just out of curiosity Gab, what guild/tag are you running?

I run a lot of different tags. I don’t represent any of them on the forum though. What I say is completely based on my opinion and my experience in WvW, not the guild as a whole.

Cheers

Tuluum.9638:

Your lack of interest in points and a low point tally may be connected.

Apart from this sentence I don’t think you understand anything of what I’m saying.

Could we do more good for the server if we spent an hour pressing 2 on a treb every night? Probably.

Is it fun to spend an hour pressing 2 on a treb every night? I don’t think so.

Will we spend an hour pressing 2 on a treb every night? Nope.

Matt Witter: “It’s not out of the question, that’s something that’s on the table. We’ve danced around it – we can’t really talk too much about that one either. But the breakout events so far have been really well received, and it seems like they’re really helping people get out of their spawns. So it’s doing exactly what we want, and hopefully we’ll be introducing some different variations of it.”

Where on earth does Arena Net get this feedback? Everyone I know think that breakout is a huge mess, because it can be used by servers with immense leads to basically get a free tower (and a foothold) in an enemy BL.

I and many others feel that the breakout event needs to change in some way, like not being usable by servers with large point leads, and certainly not multiple times in a row. Dominant servers can basically keep a huge enemy force completely locked up in their BL by spamming Siegerazer, and it’s frankly getting quite ridiculous.

Is Arena Net really this disconnected from their playerbase? Am I just a loony who is completely wrong here? Thoughts?

Tuluum.9638:

@Gab:
WvW is a points game. So, people will inevitably use the points to gauge their success.

I understand, but I would love for people to understand that not everyone does.

Tuluum.9638:

Even then it doesnt dictate whether someone has fun or not, so we are on the same page there Gab. That doesnt mean I wont play the game though, and work towards points. Given that you are losing, and you are complaining about having no one skilled to fight, it would seem that there is plenty of room to improve strategy. Obviously, the ones you are using arent working, at least in the game of WvW (which, I do understand if its not really your thing).

I don’t think you understand how little we care for points. If we walk past an undefended paper tower, we will do just that. Walk past it. The only strategy I need is how to best kill people.

Do I never care for capturing stuff? That would be a lie. I even have a commander tag I sometimes use. That’s more because I play in a different time zone however, and most of the people I run with don’t get online until later.

Tuluum.9638:

It sounds like, if properly implemented, the custom pvp arenas will be perfect for you! I just hope they make them decent scale so people can gvg. Ill still prefer wvw, but it will give options to others.

I’m not so sure structured PvP is my thing. It’s just too… Structured? I love playing with the terrain, splitting up forces, hitting someone who is hitting someone else. All that crap. No, I do believe WvW is the thing for me

Tuluum.9638:

To be blunt though, the most common response to losing is one of three things;

1: We are outnumbered
2: We are training new players
3: Other side is cheating

While one of these may explain things in specific situations, there are more options. They are just never considered or communicated.

As I said, I don’t agree with these things. Even if I might have cared about points once upon a time, I don’t now. Whining about numbers wouldn’t ring well with not caring about points. That being said, if people come to the forums and talk trash about getting 650+ potential through night capping or fielding three times as many players, I will of course call them out on how much of a kitten they are.

Tuluum.9638:

I havent seen anything particularly impressive from any server, as a whole, since Fort Aspenwood. And, that was more just sheer coordination and specific tactics, not individual skill. I LOVE their use of LoS blocking to hide numbers, which seemed to be a server-wide tactic. Every server has teams/guilds/parties with a great amount of skill, so seeing players with individual skill is not particularly impressive to me even if I do actively seek them out to fight. I expect it from every single server to have these groups, and every single server DH has faced has them. Now, what impresses me is when those groups can coordinate with other groups!

I understand. As I said, I don’t believe myself to be above the rest of DR. The only way I would consider myself so, is because I play to have fun, something a lot of players (from every server) seem to not do.

Tuluum.9638:

Those who can outsmart their opponent along with outplaying them is the reason I do PvP. So, we might just be looking for different things. Though, it sounds like the people playing the game of WvW are ruining your fun, so I hope Anet eventually implements a game mode that you can enjoy more!

If people ruined my fun I wouldn’t be playing WvW. I don’t know how that message couldn’t have gotten across by now

I guess when you really think about it, you play MMO’s for the people you play with, not the people you play against. I’m sure we would agree here, no?

Unless there is a “Devona’s Rest Baroness” title coming this Tuesday. Then I would definitely play to become a god kitten Baroness.

Fixx.1673:

Ha, I see. We suck at PvP except for our confusion mesmers

You must have died to me then.

I will say this, I can beat anyone 1v1, except for really good thiefs if they get the jump on me and know what they are doing. Still figuring that class out. Anyone else, you see the Took, you best run or bring friends cuz you are going down.

Your repair bills have been warned

On the flip side, I usually (because of work), only play on the weekends, so enjoy the illusion of safety from my absence on the battlefield. That, and I am also leveling a ranger so I can be like AR and constantly send my annoying bear pet to draw fire

No. My group did frequently kill you and your twin a few days ago though. I know your type and what you perceive as fun in WvW, I’m not gonna engage you meaninglessly. I’ll just /sigh and run along, laughing at your inability to catch anyone who doesn’t want to fight you.

And I think it’s more a case of confusion mesmers being very strong 1v1, rather than all of them being very good players.

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Alrighty, I’ll concede that fun is the most important thing, but who’s to say the random upleveled pugs don’t enjoy running with a zerg so they dont die, or for xp. Or that Myro doesn’t love making your map his very own, or that some people like beating others 1v1 in random chance meetings.

The point is WvW is a large scale continuous world that people can do whatever the heck they want and I seriously doubt many people are sacrificing what they think is fun just to win. They just have different ideas of fun than you or I may have.

Sure, they might have different ideas of what fun is. You are not seeing the context though. I personally couldn’t care less about the score points. To threaten me with coloring DRBL blue means nothing to me, because I don’t let our potential points serve as a gauge for how much fun I am having.

I don’t agree with crying about zerging, and I don’t care if you have more numbers than DR. As I have said multiple times. DR has been outnumbered for 3 months now. When I get my fun from the good fights though, and after having seen none of them so far it does hurt MY fun, just as much as fighting a server that constantly has 650+ potential hurts the people playing for points’ fun.

Can it be imagination? Sure. Could it be we haven’t seen the pro groups from DH? Probably not, we have seen most tags mentioned. Regardless, many of the people in our group are taking a break or quitting early because we simply cannot find any fun fights in WvW. Nothing that forces us to think or utilize new strategies.

The whole “our-group-got-wiped-twice-lets-move-BL-so-we-can-PvD” is also a problem. But again, I am speaking from MY point of view here. I fully understand that a lot of people want to play for points, but when you stop fighting (which is what I think is fun) to go cap another BL that has less people in it, you are hurting MY fun. You can keep doing this as much as you want, but I can keep voicing my disapproval of this on the forums as much as I want.

I hope I cleared some things up with you. I don’t seek to disrespect any guild. As I said earlier in this thread, I don’t take pride in beating anyone or believe that my way of playing WvW is the “right” way. I fully realize that with our level of coordination we can beat pretty much anyone less coordinated, even if they happen to have twice our numbers. I am simply voicing my honest view on this match up, as are many other DR players. Don’t lump us together as the “DR posters” either. I try to refrain from that when talking to other servers, and I would ask the same of DH. (More a general message to everyone, not you specifically).

This is a place where we can discuss the match up after all. Of course I will discuss it from my point of view.

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Mayhem.1935:

Well, good thing we have this Fight Night set up so we can see all the boss PVPers. Some are quiet, some are loud mouths, some are rude… but..

We will all be able to test our meddle against the duelists of each realm. I for one will be there to step up for DH pvpers. See you there!

The Swindler[SE]

Being able to win a 1v1 can have very little to do with your WvW prowess, especially if you run a confusion mesmer >.<.

Anyway, nope I won’t be able to make it there. I would stomp everyone easily though.

Just going to toss this out there…..WvW is about tactics and holding objectives. Not open field fights with even numbers. So the obsession with colors that Myro and many others have is just their way of showing you true “WvW prowess”.

That said, I do love me some good ’ole fashion brawls – big and small, I love them all.

No, WvW is about having fun.

How you choose to have fun is very subjective. If you sacrifice having fun in favor of winning, you are the loser anyway.

JarXLite.6720:

Hey, Devona, we’re just welcoming you to the tier. This has happened to every server in T6, including us. Get used to it.

Love you DR, more than DH at least.

Oh we are used to it, be assured of that.

Mayhem.1935:

Well, good thing we have this Fight Night set up so we can see all the boss PVPers. Some are quiet, some are loud mouths, some are rude… but..

We will all be able to test our meddle against the duelists of each realm. I for one will be there to step up for DH pvpers. See you there!

The Swindler[SE]

Being able to win a 1v1 can have very little to do with your WvW prowess, especially if you run a confusion mesmer >.<.

Anyway, nope I won’t be able to make it there. I would stomp everyone easily though.

Myro Pyro.1749:

Marcol.2349:

Does DH have any good pvpers?
Was on all day, didn’t see one of your elusive and amazing GRIM players.
All I saw was trash 10-15 burn and war tags cappin’ sentry flags like bosses and getting slaughtered by everyone remotely close to their size in numbers.

On a side note:
less porting through walls, kthnx.

Appreciate the insult to our entire server basically. But to ask if we have any good players would be an understatement, simply by looking at the score. I can name you just a couple guilds in DH that have great significance: Abyss, PD, RioT, BURN, SE, MERC, my guild MoRt and plenty more! When MoRt is on, be sure to take extra peeks at your BL, because your keeps and towers may not be the color you are hoping for

What’s this obsession with the color of the map?

We just want some good fights.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Dat champion

I laugh at you ADNOQQBTSY guys, after we wiped your group at the ogrecamp, you decide to hit us as we’re wiping DH’s zerg and still didnt wipe us, you guys arent as scary as you were a month ago, pick up your game

Considering your recent escapades at Mendon’s I really don’t feel you should be posting stuff like this lol.

Fixx.1673:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Fixx.1673:

CrazyCanuck.4265:

hyjaxxx.1584:

I will say this,dark haven has some amazing players. And I can’t wait to see what we can achieve in the future.

Where are these players? Or did you mean to say amazing zergs. Quite frankly I have yet to see a group smaller than 15 do anything more than cap sentries and get wiped by 5 people. I have literally had better fights from ioj up level roamers then anything I’ve seen from dark haven.. Your weekday force must really suck cause you guys are very reminiscent of the mass zerging/pvdooring that SBI did, yet you are in T6.

Also the hacking that happened at NW tower in drbl tonight by 3-4 DH was pretty sad.. As if pvdooring wasn’t boring enough.

When you see an Asura mesmer, remember this post when you are paying your repair bill and wondering WTF happened ;D

The [SE] players I have seen are mediocre at best. Their team coordination isn’t better either.

I will pass that along. Hopefully we can get you down to 0 points per tally to impress you

That would really not impress me, sorry. DR has been down to <20 points pretty much every day for three months straight. I bet even a group of 5 people who log on at the right time could do that.

That being said, if you could wipe the group I run with through equal numbers and some skill, then I would tip my hat off to you. We try to maintain mutual respect and a good relationship with people who are worthy opponents. Which is why it’s a bit lame that you guys should choose to /laugh at us when you kill us 3v15 simply because we absolutely massacred you on reset night.

Of course, you might be one of those massive WvW guilds, and if that is the case then it’s obviously not possible to keep track of every member’s actions. I wouldn’t fault you for that.

Fixx.1673:

CrazyCanuck.4265:

hyjaxxx.1584:

I will say this,dark haven has some amazing players. And I can’t wait to see what we can achieve in the future.

Where are these players? Or did you mean to say amazing zergs. Quite frankly I have yet to see a group smaller than 15 do anything more than cap sentries and get wiped by 5 people. I have literally had better fights from ioj up level roamers then anything I’ve seen from dark haven.. Your weekday force must really suck cause you guys are very reminiscent of the mass zerging/pvdooring that SBI did, yet you are in T6.

Also the hacking that happened at NW tower in drbl tonight by 3-4 DH was pretty sad.. As if pvdooring wasn’t boring enough.

When you see an Asura mesmer, remember this post when you are paying your repair bill and wondering WTF happened ;D

The [SE] players I have seen are mediocre at best. Their team coordination isn’t better either.

I personally think you were supposed to fight Zhaitan in there after you shoot him from the Airship, but they decided to cut it to push the game out quicker.

“When it’s ready” and all that you know

Mayhem.1935:

CrazyCanuck.4265:

hyjaxxx.1584:

I will say this,dark haven has some amazing players. And I can’t wait to see what we can achieve in the future.

Where are these players? Or did you mean to say amazing zergs. Quite frankly I have yet to see a group smaller than 15 do anything more than cap sentries and get wiped by 5 people. I have literally had better fights from ioj up level roamers then anything I’ve seen from dark haven.. Your weekday force must really suck cause you guys are very reminiscent of the mass zerging/pvdooring that SBI did, yet you are in T6.

Also the hacking that happened at NW tower in drbl tonight by 3-4 DH was pretty sad.. As if pvdooring wasn’t boring enough.

I run small man(2-5) constantly and just 20 minutes ago put a beating on a DR & IOJ zerg in DRBL + capped IOJ DB with the same small group while a big zerg took IOJ garrison. I dont know who you are fighting, but is sure isnt me & my team.

Were you the [PD] guys at IoJ spawn?

hyjaxxx.1584:

Gab Superstar.4059:

hyjaxxx.1584:

looks like my comment started quite the conversation lol. I can say this one thing with certainty. Dark Haven has been working super hard over the past 6-8 weeks to really come together and to work as a unit to achieve a common goal. and despite what some people may think. Our players on average are well versed in the ways of dub v dub. If we can pull together in the mornings from sun-fri for long enough for our regulars to come on. we will be moving up the ranks to give Anvil and Borlis the good ole fashion “Rawr!” …until then..we will hone our skills , have some fun ..and share a pint of ale over the the corpses of our rivals.

Long Live Dark Haven!…and oh yeah. my offer still stands. Anyone wanting to come over to DH “on a perm basis” and participates in wvw “on a reg basis” will receive a Sign on bonus!..pm me for details!

A noble thought. But you will never move up. Even if you did, it will only be for a week or so, then you will move down again.

I understand that at this point our morning shift numbers prevent this from happening. But skill wise i diddnt see anything from anvil that made me quake in my boots. IMHO it was strictly a numbers game. But….if we get number during the bankers shift to rival that of Anvil and Borlis I think things might be different.

Yes, it’s always a numbers game. However, T5 seems to be stabilizing around its current servers, both BP and AR are gaining points, and unless one of them moves down then you won’t move up. It’s kind of what was the problem with T5 previously. The servers in T6 definitely had more coverage and numbers, but because of how even it was no one moved up to T5. This lead to DR being stomped for about 3 months straight in completely one-sided battles, having to face one T4 server after another.

That’s also why few people care for winning on DR, those people are long gone by now.

hyjaxxx.1584:

looks like my comment started quite the conversation lol. I can say this one thing with certainty. Dark Haven has been working super hard over the past 6-8 weeks to really come together and to work as a unit to achieve a common goal. and despite what some people may think. Our players on average are well versed in the ways of dub v dub. If we can pull together in the mornings from sun-fri for long enough for our regulars to come on. we will be moving up the ranks to give Anvil and Borlis the good ole fashion “Rawr!” …until then..we will hone our skills , have some fun ..and share a pint of ale over the the corpses of our rivals.

Long Live Dark Haven!…and oh yeah. my offer still stands. Anyone wanting to come over to DH “on a perm basis” and participates in wvw “on a reg basis” will receive a Sign on bonus!..pm me for details!

A noble thought. But you will never move up. Even if you did, it will only be for a week or so, then you will move down again.