No, you do not win the majority of the time when evenly matched. Your point total is because of the points you win by sweeping sparsely populated maps (both IoJ and DR). DR folks make video’s to prove that what they say they’re doing they are doing. It’s also probably to prove that small groups can make an impact on some large zergs. They’re instructional – anyone can learn from them. Now, if you have proof that you win the majority of the time with even numbers, feel free to bring it. Don’t point at the scoreboard because that just proves you’re on with a lot more people when hardly anyone on the opposing teams are on.
Umm, thats generally false, at least in the evenings (Eastern Time).
To whoever said DH beats DR with even numbers, we have beat you on every reset.
To whoever said DR zergs just as much as DH; the difference is that we have competent small man groups too; and you have zergs on multiple mapd and across multiple time zones. The only time you will see a DR zerg is during primetime.
This issue/solution sounds like you have a massive gaping wound in your leg, and nurse anet has gone and put a hello kitty plaster on it in an attempt to fix it.
From what I gather, there’s quite a few EU people out there that are happy with this change. But while it’s fixing EU, it’s effectively breaking NA. There are multiple large guilds on different servers who are primarily West Coast NA. If your guild does not get in during reset, then you will have to wait a good few hours in order to zone a decent amount of your guild in to any borderland (not going to even start on EBG) and make a difference.
Not just this, but if you’re in an Oceanic guild that played at reset then good bloody luck trying to get Kiwis and Aussies up at 8am on a Saturday morning now.
While EU may have it better, it doesn’t actually solve the problem – just moving it from one region to another.
If you want a decent amount of your guild in the same zone then don’t play in T1.
This has been the case since day one, you had what? Half a year to transfer servers for free?
Also, on the NA servers, a culture has developed around reset night that goes back 7 months. On my server at least (Tarnished Coast) the reset night push is what really brings all the WvW guilds together and creates intra-guild relationships.
Why Anet would want to destroy that, is beyond me. Study after study shows that it is social ties that keep people playing MMO’s. Destroying reset night on the NA servers will give people just one more reason to jump to another game, if one comes along.
No doubt guilds will continue working with each other, but I can’t see how it can be as good as what we had before.
That’s ok… don’t worry, we will ask Anet to change the NA time to 2am instead… that way you can continue to all play together out of work hours.
Oh wait? you are not happy with that suggestion? duh… we have been like that on EU servers since summer time kicked in… and 1am CET prior to that.
I am sure a little inconvenience of 2 hours earlier is not going to hurt you that much.
I’d prefer 2 am over 3 pm. At least we’d have the option of staying up late . Most people unfortunately do not have the option of leaving work at 2 pm every Friday afternoon.
What if you work on Saturdays? What if you are too old to stay up until 6am? What if you have other responsibilities the day after? Taking your kid to practice, meeting relatives and friends, shopping?
You are assuming that everyone who plays this game is 15 years old. Maybe the NA players should get their head out of their kitten and realize that the EU player base is the largest one.
The EU player base may (or may not) be the largest one, but the “too old to stay up past midnight and/or works on saturdays” player base has to be the minority. 15 year olds in NA won’t care, they’re mostly home by 3-4 in the afternoon (just in time for reset!).
An Eu player could get off work on friday night, commute home at a leisurely pace, eat dinner, spend the night out with family/friends/a movie/etc and then return home and CHOOSE whether or not to stay and play reset as it started.
A NA (other than Eastern time) was basically made to choose between playing the game or doing anything else. Most of the country did not have the ability to do anything other than maybe eat a quick bite and then join the game and they had to hope they weren’t delayed on their commute home or they wouldn’t get to play due to the queues. Yeah we had it so great according to the EU players here. No time to relax after a hard days work, no time for friends or family on a friday night. Yep, such a great time.
Now let’s look how it goes:
An EU player, oh that’s right they really have no change in their Firday night, they still can do everything they did before and now only have to decided whether to play the game at @midnight.
A NA player, hmmmm let’s see what choice. OH that’s right no choice at all as they’ll still be at work or commuting home.
The EU playerbase needs to get their head out of their kitten and realize how good they had it. YOU had a CHOICE in whether to stay up or not, Get it, a CHOICE. The NA people now have no choice, they have to work.
What if you work on Saturdays? What if you are too old to stay up until 6am? What if you have other responsibilities the day after? Taking your kid to practice, meeting relatives and friends, shopping?
You are assuming that everyone who plays this game is 15 years old. Maybe the NA players should get their head out of their kitten and realize that the EU player base is the largest one.
To me, the US complaints seem to be more about the queues than the reset time itself.
I don’t think they would complain as much if they could enter immediately upon returning home, or after eating dinner…
Very true.
The queue problem is exclusive to some tiers, and self-inflicted in 90% of the cases.
So uhm… What is Darkhaven trying to achieve right now? I thought you wanted a new match up, at least one without DR in it?
Equalizing the score between IoJ and DR by pushing into our BL when IoJ is already doing just that, is going to reduce the amount of rating points DH gain, and decrease the amount of rating points that IoJ lose. This will lead to a much longer match up between these three servers.
That is a problem here. DH more often then not will go for attacking DR borderlands and not even touch IoJ borderlands (key words here are more often). This is something we at DR are getting tired of, both enemy servers hitting us and barely fighting each-other. Yes, DH and IoJ do fight each-other, sometimes, and when we see them doing so we go, “Wait is DH attacking IoJ for once!?!?!?”. Such as in eternal battlegrounds, IoJ will own their side of the map, and we in DR have ours. What seems to be 80% of the time DH will attack us, and IoJ will also attack us.
This amuses me. We have fully capped IoJ in EB several days in a row now, while DR holds their own land. Of course, we always come for DR as well, but they’re not our first target (most days).
It always seems like DR is the first target, although I am not blaming this on anything else than the fact that blue side in EB kittening sucks.
We held IoJ Hills for 20+ hours, twice, while fully upgrading it and being outmanned 50% of the time.
I think you should work on your defense.
One time, I fought off the Jabberwocky, Zhaitan, 300 risen, bigfoot, 3.5 yetis, a chicken, a six foot tall midget, and a werecar for 30 years straight.
True story.
And I managed to fight off the combined fury of 10 DH forum warriors for 3 weeks straight.
So uhm… What is Darkhaven trying to achieve right now? I thought you wanted a new match up, at least one without DR in it?
Equalizing the score between IoJ and DR by pushing into our BL when IoJ is already doing just that, is going to reduce the amount of rating points DH gain, and decrease the amount of rating points that IoJ lose. This will lead to a much longer match up between these three servers.
Skill lag in large-scale WvW battles has been horrendous for over a month. I have an incredible, custom-built gaming PC. It’s not a graphical issue. I am just spamming my shouts and watching the button press but never activate the skill. I can hit the shout over 20 times in a Stonemist fight and have it never go off.
Every single person I have talked to in my guild and server (Sanctum of Rall – Tier 1)
First I would like to commend DR on being able to hold Hills in IoJ BL for as long as you guys do. It’s quite something to see and I’m learning a lot from the way you guys are placing your defensive siege. But I would like to question why you guys would hold onto it so tightly when DH sweeps through your BL and takes everything? I understand that when we took Hills back in IoJ it appears to be during your quiet time, the defenders that you had left in IoJ Hills made a valiant effort of repelling us, but they either failed to realise that DH was taking your BL or just didn’t care. Either way you lost everything in your BL not only to DH, but then to IoJ a short while later. I know you guys lead us by a lot of points atm, but is holding our Hills really that important to you guys that you would sacrifice your entire BL? I fail to see the superior tactic in that, which is why I ask.
Thank you! Me and another commander have been working on your BL these past days, it was quite amusing to see a 20 man IoJ group running around or spawn when their BL was fully red. Hills is extremely hard to take if it’s sieged up properly.
Anyway, we held onto our BL for a very very long time. We lost bay but made one hell of a stand at Hills, queuing our BL and eventually completely pushed DH out of it.
But then they came back, and this time they brought zoom hack. All our inner siege went poof and they managed to successfully take hills. After that most of our people decided that we didn’t want to play with exploiters anymore.
I was actually excited to play for points this week, something I haven’t done in a very long time, but that kind of ruined all my fun (it’s the reason I have been so vocal on the forums about it). I will not be commanding more until I am rid of DH, one way or the other.
I still think at lvl 300 there should be a msge that says go outside and get some numbers
Or it could say “u wasted x hours of your life in a game”)
Don’t think anyone would waste hours on a game. There has to be a sense of fun or achievement for someone to play, if you choose to spend hours playing a game, then that is by all means your own choice.
I spend 1,5h travelling to my University and back on weekdays, doing absolutely nothing productive. I would consider that a waste of time.
We also do not have the people on the server at all times, we get outmanned around midnight (PST) every single night. We have “fairweather” players just like everyone else, who tend to stop playing if/when we are losing.
I usually only get to play 1-2 hours a night, and I have only seen the arrow cart incident once.
Night before last, we had the biggest zerg I have ever seen for DH, but last night, our 10-20 man zerg was outmanned by DR and IoJ on more than one occasion.
Last night you had all of EB, your entire BL, were pushing into IoJ with a 10-20 man zerg, AND you had 70-80 people in DRBL.
DR, you do know the reason you’re winning is because you have WAY more people right? IoJ is the superior server and we’d be winning if you weren’t always playing for second. We’re in this tier because of our awesome commanders. DH I have nothing to say to you guys really, you guys have pretty good commanders but I was lmao last night when [Cast] and a few pugs managed to get back our keep in EB while outmanned and fighting off your zerg. Of course you guys took it back 20 minutes later with your infamous zerging abilities. sad face
You are right now trebbing a paper bay while you are outmanning us 2:1.
Awesome commanders? I just can’t help but laugh at your post.
Below you can see the difference between normal and SAB zoom around the spot shown in the previous screenshots. It looks like it would hard to hit that spot on the stairs, but probably possible. I also am not sure how different it can be with different resolutions for gw2.
I’m not interested in how they do it, I just think its lame that I see it almost every time DH attacks our BL, it gives the server a bad name, including all the legit guilds which I have no problem with.
Even Swinder since he toned down on the lying part has gotten some respect with me after some fun fights.
Considering we still have to bring you down 80000 points down to finally stop this kittening we need to start asap.
If we can bring your score to a permanent 0 perhaps you’ll finally shut up about how much DH sucks. Hopefully the rest of DH will show you no more mercy.
Yes unfortunately this seems to be a behavior endorsed by Darkhaven, as I have seen it used just about every time they besiege something. Kind of ridiculous. I would expect something like this from a T1 server, but not here.
No, it was claimed that later during that night, there was a small number of DR surrounded by DH. If you watch the videos Oozo stated at the end that DH’s numbers kept increasing where DR’s stayed the same.
Pretty even numbers? Yeah you should have watched the video before saying anything like that. smh It’s a small number of DR surrounded by DH
Gab, the only thing like that I see is possibly at around the 2:20 mark, for a half of a second at best, but that is pretty much where the video ends. And, I dont care enough to go through frame by frame or anything. Feel free to take screen caps of what you are talking about though. I will freely admit if I am wrong.
I am happy to see you still have a thing for me, makes me feel loved.
I wasnt referring to this specific video when I was talking about “massively outnumbered,” nor did I mean to imply it towards any specific circumstance. It was claimed that in that specific video, DR was “a small number of DR surrounded by DH,” but that just doesnt appear to be true when I did a count.
No, it was claimed that later during that night, there was a small number of DR surrounded by DH. If you watch the videos Oozo stated at the end that DH’s numbers kept increasing where DR’s stayed the same.
It was a general statement towards the general attitude. Like I said, if engagements like that, and the perspectives precipitated by them, are indicative of other scenarios where it was claimed DR was “massively outnumbered,” then it makes a lot more sense. Probably just a language barrier thing again.
And yes, I am pretty dim. You just have to talk.. really… slow….. Thanks for your cooperation.
I think I clearly stated that this is NOT indicative of other scenarios where it was claimed DR was massivelyoutnumbered.
Apparently this is a thing happening in the next patch as well! I wonder what they’re working on.
Confusion nerf, obviously. Everyone knows it’s way overpowered. Besides that, I wouldn’t expect anything at all, and most likely not the color rotation.
Maybe some useless WvW ability to spend your points on. -1% fall damage reduction within 20,000 range of your citadel?
Pretty even numbers? Yeah you should have watched the video before saying anything like that. smh It’s a small number of DR surrounded by DH, most of who seem to really really like the gate of Bay.
I did watch the video. My confusion came in when I incorrectly thought they were talking about DRBL, but I was wrong.
Either way, I still see roughly even numbers and DH lost that engagement. I see ~14 DH and ~12 DR around the 1:00 mark. There could be some miscounting, I really dont care that much about it. By the 2:00 mark, DH was losing folks fast.
It may explain a lot though, if that is what you guys keep calling “massively outnumbered.” It looked like a decent fight, regardless, and DR won. No idea how it went afterwards, I wasnt there.
No one called it massively outnumbered. I am starting to think you are a little dim. Oh wait, you are just putting words in other people’s mouths to feed your own argument.
Oozo said he trashes this sort of footage for a reason. Maybe if you watched some of his other stuff you would realize what massively outnumbered actually mean.
Of course it will be hip when most match ups are such blowouts.
People want fun, fast paced action from WvW. If the dominant server can wake up to fully upgraded everything due to their night time presence for example, it’s just not going to be very attractive for the enemy to try and cap their stuff, because frankly, sieging a T3 bay for 3 hours is not very fun when you see an enemy zerg mow through your paper borderlands in 30 minutes as retaliation.
I wholeheartedly agree. Some more transparency regarding what you intend to do, rather than what things you are going to change would be nice. But it is of course a huge improvement from before.
In your introduction thread I made a snide remark about how Arena Net developers say so much but still say nothing at all.
I ran out of HD space so I only recorded one fight that happened between the SW tower and Bay last night. In this clip you will see our full force of 35 falling back after 15 DH incuding GRIM put up some resistance.
The fighting here was pretty much nonstop for over an hour. We killed A LOT of people as more DH kept arriving. We were working on the tower to try to draw the DH out of the Bay that we pushed in there earlier.
When you see us “falling back” sometimes we are flat out running away because we are facing overwhelming numbers. Sometimes we are trying to move you to a position where the terrain gives us an advantage. Sometimes we are trying to draw you far enough away from your keep or tower so we can loop around to flank you to cut off your retreat route back to the keep so we can KILL YOU ALL. The last one is what we were doing last night. And we did it well.
It seems I have underestimated GRIM. Naturally their reputation precedes them, and the fact that they can send our 35 man zerg packing with a 5man and some pugs is well known. But the fact that they can do so while running signet warriors?
Don’t change the mesmer boulder part. Profession uniqueness is one of the things that makes this game fun. World of Warcraft dropped the ball hard on that one after a few expansions and in my eyes suffered a lot because of it.
False. Try playing an Engineer and using that website, you’ll wait for hours to get a group.
This doesn’t compute.
Doesn’t it?
I spent 40 minutes today trying to find a group for my Engineer, then I had to switch to another, more “wanted” class.
So you joined a bunch of groups who instantly kicked you? Unless you were joining SC teams I find that extremely hard to believe. I ran CoF on my level 77 thief a few days ago and no one minded at all.
After reading this post I decided to go mess around in sPvP with a thief again to see if they were really as bad as the OP says. Haven’t played a thief in 2-3 months and after a couple of games was still able to kill everyone in a couple of seconds and stealth my way out of any mess no matter how much I screwed up. Had the highest scores in the games I played by a large margin and even got someone to whisper me “l2p” after killing him multiple times effortlessly. Thieves have nothing to complain about.
Edit: Also tested out the perma-stealth build and it still works quite fine.
Typical empirical proof in these kinds of discussions: Someone can kill someone with something so that thing must obviously be OP.
There are just more of them the higher you go in tiers.
It’s not necessarily that there are more of them, since maps should hold the same number of people, but as you move up through the tiers zergs do seem to become more and more massive, and it gets harder and harder to find a timezone when you won’t be facing groups of 60-80 roaming every map. In lower tiers with less coverage, you’ll at least find times where there may only be 20 people on an entire map from each server, so even if they decide to “zerg” together it’s nothing like the standard, 24/7 zerging that you see in tier 1.
But yeah, I’ve played since beta, and been in tiers 4 through 1, and the scouting reports for each tier tend to sound like this:
Tier 4: “inc to Lowlands Supply camp, camp-flipping group, 10+”
Tier 3: “inc to Lowlands Supply camp, zerg of 30+”
Tier 2: “inc to Lowlands Supply camp, huge zerg, 50+!”
Tier 1: “inc to Lowlands Supply camp, SoR zerg”
“How many?”
“uuhhh… all of them”
That’s not a shot at SoR, btw, you could substitute any current Tier 1 server name there. And I know that there are sizable zergs in every tier now, but in Tier 1 it does seem much more common for groups to full-zerg everything , all the time…
Interesting coming from a T1 player. Have you played anything but T1 since culling fix? I think it speaks for itself that with less coverage the zergs are less of a nuisance since you can’t have 50+ zergs around the clock, hence why I said there are less of them in lower tiers.
But don’t mistake that for the fact that 90% of the players on a map will blob up regardless of tier.
No, i think Borlis out played us “Gasp!, words that have never been said on these boards!” They caught us overly confident from crushing gates and henge for weeks and our inflated kittens caused us to stumble.
Now AR on the other hand. i do feel was a difference of numbers..in the bankers shift as ive said time and time again.
I feel dark haven is at a very important place in its existence right now, we have gotten alot of people to come try wvw…now retention is the order of the day. if we can keep them interested then we can make some real progress.
If not, then we will stay in this tier and get stagnant from lack of proper contest.
“Its Funny, I always hear about this Enormous Cloud of Doom that is the Darkhaven Zerg..but it always seems to me that the other servers we are against always have the bigger Numbers. I would say that our server tends to shy away from the “zerg” moreso then other servers.”
I question the veracity of that claim, given game mechanics.
