Guild Wars 2

Xillllix.3485:

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What a load of bullkitten. Do you not realize that everything you say applies to Darkhaven as well? Someone just posted a screenshot of you losing your entire borderlands because you wanted to hold Stonemist.

Was that the work of your best commanders who manage to rally the pugs everywhere you go? Was that your fantastic allocation of numbers? Was that your fantastic usage of those numbers?

Since you seem to base everything you say off some isolated events of this and that, wouldn’t todays events indicate that Darkhaven is kittening terrible?

Xillllix.3485:

First and foremost, I didn’t deny we have more people, I was just saying that when you do have bigger numbers than us you are failing at making points.

We smashed you on reset, did we not? I don’t think we are failing at making points.

Xillllix.3485:

What was this tonight with DR huge zerg around your keep? You guys take Durios and leave it undefended. Meanwhile IoJ is taking all your borderland. You should have separated the zerg in 2 and defended your stuff instead of annoying SM and alerting every darkhavener on the server.

You do realize most people will play where it’s fun to play right? You are never going to be able to force pugs to swap maps just because it’s what’s best for the server.

Xillllix.3485:

We were outnumberred by Bp but we were never humiliated because we focused on defence and quick sneaky captures. Even if we knew we were losing we made it as close as a fight as it could be.

You do realize we played against BP right? I am actually playing against BP right now on my secondary account. You can skip the bullkitten about how you are outmanned, because trust me, I know. As of right now you have a ton more people in EB than BP does, and that has been the case for this entire week. Weren’t the weekdays supposed to be weak for DH?

Xillllix.3485:

If it’s just numbers of players at work why are you guys even playing this game?

Wat?

Xillllix.3485:

As for skill there is obviously good and bad players on all sides. But when half your zerg runs away you are not leaving much chance to the people fighting, specially if you are only just slightly outnumbered (I’ve seen a few times).

What are you even trying to say with this? I am missing the point. Do you want me to bring up every anecdotal evidence of how DH runs away and gets curbstomped at every turn?

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Ok, so I’m just going to throw this out there because I’m tired of hearing it. I REALLY don’t know where ya’ll got the idea we said we’re winning through superior tactics or skill. Like really, where did it come from? I think we’re just tired of hearing how bad we suck. We’re winning because of superior coverage + larger turnout for NA primetime we all know it, so quitchakittenen. There then. I settled it, stop using that as an argument.

This thread was perfectly fine. It had just hit its second page with minimal trash talking, and then this dude comes along.

hyjaxxx.1584:

at the end of the day i dont think population has all that much to do with whats going on in this tier atm. I think that Devona and Isle both just have a hard time with proper distribution of troops and end up on the short end of the stick because of it.

Which resulted in a kitten storm, because apparently telling him that +465 potential can never be achieved without population disparities makes him sad panda and hurts his insidiez :<

hyjaxxx.1584:

a little food for thought…if Dark Haven Moves up a tier …it will be because AR or Borlis comes down..well they have double the numbers we have…their Bankers Shift is unreal and from what ive seen thus far they would end up with a 200k lead .

and just to clarify, I never said that Dark Haven was full of Epic kick kitten players..i know it all goes both ways. But it sure seems that you folks are angry at us for no reason.

im not sure what the solution for the tiers is to be honest. its a rough deal. If we could pick up 20-30% during our bankers shift i would feel comfortable moving up to T5, as i dont think we felt overwhelmed other then that shift.

until then i think the only change we might see is Isle dropping to t7 and henge or Shiv peaks coming up. and that doesnt remedy anything sadly.

IoJ and DR needs to move down to T7 where we belong, whereas SF and HoD needs to move up here. SF has massive numbers and HoD was medium last week which netted them a lot of new players.

torridstoic.7492:

Um. Most of the DR posters here seem to want DH to move up to tier 5. Would you rather we stay with you? Because the only way we’re moving up is if we win by a higher margin than what we’ve got now. Some of you are upset we’re in your tier, some are upset we’re pushing the lead in an attempt to move up. You can’t have it both ways.

Irish: I have similar concerns. My only answer is that some of our commanders have better ideas than others, and if we move up a tier, hopefully our weaker commanders (and players, like me) will learn quickly.

I’m not complaining about you winning, I am complaining about the amount of we-win-through-superior-tactics-and-skill going on in this thread from DH.

Hahahaha I just saw these “leaderboards”, WHAT IS THIS?

My god what a letdown. It would literally take someone an hour or less of web programming to do that.

What a disappointment.

Xillllix.3485:

Gab Superstar.4059:

I have no doubt that DH has some awesome sauce WvW players, but right now I am not seeing any of them. You are purely winning through numbers and coverage.

Not sure how a darkhavener should react to this.
I’ve stopped counting the amount of times me and either a few of my Abyss or Darkhavens friend ran straight in larger DR or IoJ zergs and demolished you (not without casualties). I’ve said it last week and it’ even more apparent this week, you guys are not using well the numbers you have.

For example: DR:
they took Stonemist for a few hours, huge numbers. More than we were darkhaveners. We captured it finally, it took an hour of persistence and 2 good commanders. What the hell were they doing during that time? They barely constructed any siege, we had small groups infiltrating their BL and taking towers in EB.

In the end they had SM but were losing more points. They gradually became totally disorganized, through persistence we eventually demoralized them. All it took at the end was some diversion and some flanking, and some crazy move: some dudes (me) running right in the SM zerg with a fiery sword and a dozen other cool darkhaveners with their own little combo tricks that were not afraid to die and run back because they understand this is also a psychological battle, that a fearless enemy is more dangerous.

And also do not underestimate what a good commander can do with a small zerg. It’s not all about zerg size. I’m sure DR and IoJ can do better. DH currently is near the best it has ever been, and it could still do better.

Saying this is just numbers at work make you sound like a bad loser. Some IoJ and Dr zergs I’ve seen have nothing to envy our DH zergs.

As for the pictures of us taking another another BL, it’s the work of a single guild, they were between 15-20. I went to see who it was and came back to EB. You could have prevented that with 5 guys and siege.

You are funny.

Let me give you a mission. Count the amount of “massive DR zergs” you see outside of prime time. Go ahead. Do it and return with results.

Or do you think that the match up is decided during the 4 hours that is prime time or the 20 hours that is not?

Lord Rager.8543:

Too bad DR isn’t like a guild tag on their server….. NoQQ you guys are worse than NSP and they got Raygut.

So when you leaving T6?

When are you? Oh wait, you aren’t. Lololol

torridstoic.7492:

After the AD folks I saw last night holding the choke point on EB got overrun (they did put up a good fight first against superior numbers; I saw far too many DH corpses before I jumped in from the ledge above), some of them went to defend their keep in the middle of the bulk of DR’s forces. But since they never do that, I guess I’m just lying again. Oh, and I forgot screenies again! Ugh.

It’s a good thing we have PD and Grim. Otherwise all of these forum threads would just be a bunch of DH folks saying “ook ook grrrrrr.”

Your posts are hillarious man.

You do realize that ADQQSty plays WvW to kill people right? If those people so happen to be at our keep, do you think we would just leave WvW, simply because there are other DR forces in the area? Surely you aren’t this stupid?

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Gab Superstar.4059:

I have wiped PD and SE multiple times, they have some decent players but tend to zerg around a lot instead of doing what you seem to think they are doing. I have only seen GRIM once, I encountered one of your members who promptly waypointed away.

Man…those multiple times sure as hell weren’t last night. We did a number on you guys a few times on the west side of our BL (If you were in those fights, I was the upleveled char guardian who saluted because they were a kitten blast). Lol @ we tend to zerg around – our guild comprises of maybe 10-15 people online at a time. Naw man, sometimes we’ll provide the zerg support but 90% of the time we’re off doin our own thang.

We have respect for your group gab, but hell we generally don’t tangle every night and more than half the time you outnumber us/are in the zerg….so therefore you guys must not roam as much as ya claim? Probably a false assumption :P but the limited spectrum we see of the enemies isn’t necessarily what “they do”.

Didn’t play last night. Been enjoying my other accounts a lot more due to the match up this past week, and I normally can’t run with my group outside of weekends due to time zone differences.

The only time I saw PD outside of a zerg was at IoJ bay two or so weeks ago, I think it was in Jezri’s video. It would be naive for me to say I know exactly what PD does, but as I explained in a 15 paragraph post some time ago, everything I say is based on my experience. If you do run 10-15 man groups though, then kudos to you. It is a lot more fun than mindless zerging and I wish more people would do it.

Furthermore, ADQQSty never zergs. We might provide flanking support to the zerg, and work closely with it, but don’t mistake it for zerging. The most I have seen our group run with is 17 people, because as I said, we don’t exclude people who hop on Mumble and want to tag along. If you consider that a zerg, then I don’t know what you would call the DH zergs

hyjaxxx.1584:

well i can tell you this. We run skirmish groups for 6 hours a day. and usually destroy groups larger then our own. and just because you have seen pd or se or ourselves in a zerg before does not mean that we arent partaking in other activities on the battle field.

you seem to have a very “you-centric” attitude gab, you remind me of a certain someone on our server…you guys should hook up!

You are welcome to try and destroy my group, we would be considered larger than a skirmish group.

Lol.

hyjaxxx.1584:

lol screenshots make me laugh. it doesnt show any of your forces! you could have a zillion people behind you! Anyhow, i digress. The point i was trying to make it , all ive heard from DR and IoJ is how bad dark haven is and were a bunch of tools rolling around in this zerg rolling our faces on the keyboard and licking our monitors… Which i think couldnt be further from the truth. we have a great dedicated base of wvw’ers who are quite good at what they do!

thanks!

Jaxx

A few hours ago you traded a fully upgraded bay in the hopes of trying to take Garrison, something you failed miserably at. DR had 10 people in that zone, while DH had 20.

I have no doubt that DH has some awesome sauce WvW players, but right now I am not seeing any of them. You are purely winning through numbers and coverage.

BTW: Happy that I made you laugh. It’s your choice whether you believe in screenshots or not, but most people would simply see it as feverishly trying to deny the truth. I don’t know why though, I am not complaining about your numbers, I am complaining about the fact that you are so delusional that you seem to believe you win through skill rather than massive numbers.

Also; DR is outmanned in every zone but our BL right now, and this is everyone in our BL. There were ~10 DH attacking that tower before we consolidated our forces and wiped them.

hyjaxxx.1584:

Just saw your other post Gab. One thing ill tell you is this. Dark havens strong point is our skirmish teams. myself (Grim) along with some other amazing folks (PD) (SE) have created small groups to split off and cause trouble aside from our main force. if you folks wouldnt over rotate you might be able to stop our small groups of unskilled kitten ..ya think?

I have wiped PD and SE multiple times, they have some decent players but tend to zerg around a lot instead of doing what you seem to think they are doing. I have only seen GRIM once, I encountered one of your members who promptly waypointed away.

One more picture for you, this is from right now. I guess DH are really that skilled.You guys are pushing every map simultaneously, something that is totally possible when server populations are equal. Yep!

hyjaxxx.1584:

i swear there is something funny going on here. every time im in WvW i see groups much larger then what DH is fielding at that moment in time. Are these DR and IoJ zergs in seeing a figment of my imagination?

at the end of the day i dont think population has all that much to do with whats going on in this tier atm. I think that Devona and Isle both just have a hard time with proper distribution of troops and end up on the short end of the stick because of it. Over Rotation can really stimey the momentum of an otherwise effective group of people.

just my thoughts.

Jaxx

Are you sure? This is how we got pushed out of EB last night.

Of course, it might be through your superior tactics and skills, but we were in fact outmanned throughout the entire fight, and both IoJ and DH were pushing in our BL while all of this was happening.

Maybe we should have allocated our troops a bit better…

Why would you ignore spikes? If you consider the chance of getting a rare, I’d say that you gain twice as much money from all the spikes you get compared to the 20s from a rare every now and then.

Actually, all WvW servers are already located in NA.

(this is why they can’t reset them at different times)

Oh gosh, if this ever happened, I would probably cry of joy.

Too bad it never will. Arena Net knows they have failed their GW1 fans but;

1) They don’t care, they got our money through hype and falsifying intentions anyway. Almost every fan of GW1 bought GW2.
2) It would be akin to admitting this in front of everyone who plays this game.

The thing is though, you could have a situation where both the zerg AND the smaller groups are contributing. It would make for a much more dynamic game where everyone can do something they feel is fun and still pull their own weight on the server.

Unfortunately with Arena Net’s design decisions it seems we are heading away from that.

So ehm… Do the people who say DH doesn’t have anything special in terms of numbers only play an hour or two during prime time? This is getting ridiculous lol.

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Guess I need to start a whole new complaint thread on the DR spy. As 40+ reports day after day do nothing to change a thing. Dude was on DR BL for over 24 hours….and never moved.

I mean, I have never heard of a spy bot before. It’s most likely someone from your own server just being annoying. I have never seen anyone share intel on DR.

Furthermore, why would someone from DR do it? DR never has the numbers to take anything from IoJ in EB, save for your T1 towers, and during our horrible off-hours if IoJ doesn’t take out stuff then the other server will anyway.

Oozo.7856:

DH lost to AR and BP. AR and BP are losing to EB. Thus, DH would lose to EB. Not because they suck or anything like that but because of population and coverage issues.

AR, BP and DH has better coverage then Ehmry Bay, who substitutes this with strong coordination and slightly larger numbers during NA prime and the hours surrounding it. I wouldn’t entirely blame it on numbers and coverage. The off-hour presence and the amount of server drama is Ehmry Bay’s biggest problem right now.

In the end it will all come down to where SoS and SF ends up, they may or may not shake up tiers quite a bit. Hopefully we can soon enjoy a tier without Darkhaven (no offense).

urbanevil.7145:

I just woke up, IOJ had quite a presence especially late night (i went to DR to help take the bay keep around 4am?). Well done to all the helped us actually take a stand and push on DR late night!

Sounds about right. You have quite a large Oceanic presence. I have seen 50+ IoJ zergs around that time on weekdays.

WvW is not supposed to be PvP, it’s supposed to be an experience.

torridstoic.7492:

It’s okay, I’m pretty sure I saw a few [AD] folks in EB tonight. I say “pretty sure” because they died so quick that I can’t be positive, but I’m sure that was just to keep us from quitting out of sheer frustration. Or maybe we just threw four zergs at you. I don’t do a lot of thinking, being just another one of those hive-mind DH lings.

note to self: Start taking screenshots every time I kill someone. Makes for a much better forum post! This one lacked impact.

Ehm, the only person who was in EB was me, and all I did was killing Dolyaks for 1,5h before we took Stonemist. Yeah, you did kill me once, but you still only got one Dolyak in there, so stay mad I guess.

DevonCarver.5370:

Gab Superstar.4059:

DevonCarver.5370:

UTC is the time we use, so as daylight saving time comes on and off in certain locales it will affect when the reset hits you. Further reason to ditch daylight saving time altogether.

Out of curiosity, where do you live, to make such a statement?

As with the rest of Anet, I’m in Washington state. And we still foolishly use daylight saving time. I just wish we didn’t.

I know, I am just saying that there are very valid reasons for having DST in many parts of the world. To not keep it uniform would arguably complicate it a lot more than having to adjust your clock twice a year.

But I believe we are drifting off-topic here. Thanks for being more active on the forums than your predecessor by the way, even if it just so happens to be in a discussion about DST.

My spontaneous answer would be that Fractal weapons are supposed to be more rare.

Why aren’t exotic weapons as common as rare ones from world event chests? Well, they are supposed to be more rare.

DevonCarver.5370:

UTC is the time we use, so as daylight saving time comes on and off in certain locales it will affect when the reset hits you. Further reason to ditch daylight saving time altogether.

Out of curiosity, where do you live, to make such a statement?

Titan.3472:

They should set up the year of wvw like football cup season cup. Everyone meet everyone once then at the end of the year winner and reset score. And one cup per year means more than one cup per week !

Yes because that would be fun for the lower tier servers.

Catisa.6507:

hard revives should be out of combat only (WvW only).

This wouldn’t help anything. In a 50+ zerg there is bound to be people out of combat at all times, or stragglers who enter the battle late and can revive.

Also, altering the downed state would probably punish smaller groups a lot more than zergs. When I run with my group we ensure that every stomp the enemy team gets is a hard fought one. In a disorganized zerg on the other hand, people tend to pay less attention to downed people, and spend much less effort trying to get them up.

Tuluum.9638:

@Gab;

I expanded the post a bit. If you took umbrage to it, perhaps that will require some introspection. If so, then I meant every word of it as it applies to you, or as you see it apply to you. That should be pretty direct, no?

Actually it’s not pretty direct. If I were to publicly declare that you are exploiting the game to win WvW, would it have to be true for you to take offense and try to defend yourself?

I can take offense to people saying I have a bad attitude, the reason I took offense to your post specifically is because I have seen it in several of your posts, even though you cleverly disguise it.

Tuluum.9638:

@Gab;

While I could not agree more with you… thats PvP.

And then I went on to describe it on a general basis, how it impacts groups, etc.

If you had issue with it, bring it up with the other poster. I was saying its not necessarily specific to any single group, or individual, but a PvP thing.

Seems you have a thing for me

That doesn’t make the traits you describe any more attractive, and isn’t the point of passive aggression that you can fall back on the ‘ol "didn’t mean you specifically, no harm intended"?

Besides;

Gab Superstar.4059:

in your posts?

I don’t have a thing for you, but it’s either you or a certain Mesmer from your server. I honestly don’t think you can get a word of truth out of him, so why bother?

Brinson.7289:

The devs eliminated culling in this update. They eliminated culling AND they didn’t break anything else in the process.
Legit update if you ask me. The rest was icing on the cake. [very ugly medium armour flavored icing.]

They broke Hidden Killer.

I still don’t understand how they could break Hidden Killer.

Tuluum.9638:

@Gab:

I was talking in general, not about DR specifically much less the alliance you are a part of. I dont even know if the poster who put that pic up has anything to do with you guys. What I said even applies to.. wait for it.. wait for it..

my own server, DH. gasp!

Just so happened that the picture was about DR.

If you note.. just a couple of posts above.. I said pretty clearly we were outplayed in our own BL. I even said you should do that every night. So, if you want to look at something which I was actually addressing you and your group, refer to that post.

Its a PvP thing, not a server thing, and definitely not specific to your group. And above all, it was a joke. Albeit, one that definitely has some grounds in reality.

You said you “could not agree more” with someone who said certain members of my group have kitteny attitudes. I was trying to explain why I don’t have a kitteny attitude, except when it’s called for.

I am not an kitten, but I will stand up for what I believe is right. (As do you).

Chiolas.1326:

Don’t forget that they made the transfers to the #1 EU server free of charge, resulting in an avalanche of noobies and PvE carebears clogging our queues and WvW maps, that was a great idea

I mean I think it’s pretty clear that neither Arena Net nor these forums care about EU WvW, or even realize it exists.

That’s why you see people complaining about T8 calling it “the worst tier” and kitten like that, not realizing what is going on in T9 on EU, and also why they opened transfer to a #1 server.

Thank you Aidget, wish I could have been there :>

Well next time they won’t be able to blame culling.

Tuluum.9638:

Interpretor.3091:

Am I doing this right guys?

Pretty much!

This is the standard:

If you lose, it is because you are outnumbered. If you win, its because you outplayed the other side. Conceding other options is akin to accepting defeat.

;)

Why all the passive aggression in your posts? You defended your server when people called it out on being zergy and only winning through numbers. When someone trash talks a guild is it not fair for them to defend it too?

When a guild uploaded a video of winning an even matched fight against us, we didn’t throw a fit about it. We congratulated them, said good fight and good video, and formed a good relationship with the guild. When we uploaded a video of beating another very good guild with even numbers in a hard fought battle, they congratulated us, said good fight and good video, and formed a good relationship with us.

I can genuinely say I have not had any similar encounters with a guild from Darkhaven. What makes you think that if we had, we wouldn’t treat them the same way as we did the other guilds? As a matter of fact, we don’t treat any guild in any way, unless we have a good fight with them. I don’t think it’s fun or cool to call out guilds who might only be a group of casuals spending some time in WvW, or who aren’t quite there yet with the communication or organization (see

Chryzo.8906:

That kind of leaderboard would be detrimental to PvE. Since to clean as fast as possible dungeons you would only take some professions and not others. Same for less damage taken, etc…

Because pugs would have any chance in hell of competing with actual teams who work on times?

No.

Xillllix.3485:

Last night both IoJ and DR had huge zergs going around. I still feel you DR guys could do more damage with the numbers you have.

Even through we do have better 24/7 coverage around midnight-east we seem to be on equal footing.

We will be fighting together for a while, because usually when DH goes up a rank we usually are in the same situation DR is now and go back down relatively quickly.

Some of our more competent commanders have been doing some PvE stuff, which is why we got ravaged in our BL for a while. Pixieish’s pict is from when we tried to take our garrison back, we were totally disorganized and you guys did some good flanking.

DH will hardly go up a tier unless you step it up a notch. You are only gaining ~4 points this week, and both AR and BP are increasing their ranking points too. You have about the same numbers as Ehmry Bay, who has held their own in T4 multiple times, so the possibility is definitely there, but right now I am not seeing the level of organization and dedication that is necessary. Of course, servers can and have worked on this and seen success due to it.

Rather, DR or IoJ will be moving down. It’s kind of interesting seeing IoJ take the lead over us this week. Either DR had a reduction in numbers or IoJ had an increase, because I can’t remember losing to IoJ except for the first week we were matched together. Either that or they just got even better at riding the coattails of the dominant server.

I really don’t mind though. If DR moves down and HoD moves up we might see the first balanced match up DR has had in 4 months.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Jeez DR wont let us get a decent lead on them, just like old times!
Looks like (hopefully) we’ll have second for this week and we will soon be fighting for blue’s spot, will make it a bit different for both our servers in EB

DH, you lot can go zerg what you want, whilst we have our fun

I hope one day we’ll find another server to make our tier balanced DR!

Unfortunately I think we will see the same situation that we saw in T5. Unless some server crashes there is literally no way for IoJ and DR to be in a balanced match up together, unless two T7 servers are stronger than both of us. HoD got some free transfers and might move up, but I am not so sure another T7 server is prone to move up anytime soon.

Reading this thread, it seems that Charrcat has been a little naughty during his WvW-detox.

-G

RyuDragnier.9476:

So you want to make it so Staff Elementalists (and other AoE abusing builds) can take down entire zergs by themselves and become massively overpowered? Because that’s probably what would happen, causing ANet to pull a massive AoE nerf across the board that would effect PvE as well and make AoE useless. I SAY NAY!

Unless you are blobbing up I really don’t see what problem a Staff Elementalist could pose to a zerg. The only AoE big enough to hurt anyone not standing in a blob is Meteor Shower, and the damage from that is already limited by the fact that only whoever is hit by the Meteors take damage, not everyone who is standing in the circle.

But if you really are worried, you could do what has been suggested many times and introduce diminishing returns on AoE.

hyjaxxx.1584:

All i see here is alot of finger pointing about people being sucky and so on. Every dedicated Dub V Dubber has crapped the bed once or twice on the battle field, so lets try to be a lil nicer! a mutual respect for your enemy makes for great battles, so lets learn from mistakes and keep on rockin!

There really is no finger pointing about people being sucky. It’s just one DH player who is seemingly unable to tell the truth about anything, and we are calling him out on his bullkitten.

I have never said anything bad about anyone unless there was cause for it. In fact, the thing that started this whole animosity between me and SE was a post where I didn’t even mention their guild tag, just a failed portal bomb. I will never call out a guild unless I have reason for it.

EDIT: Current score in case you were wondering.

163 372
117 331
125 520

Mayhem.1935:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Mayhem.1935:

Thats pretty funny! I also believe that was your final attempt, right? Because we crunched you guys (as in AD im honestly not sure if you were there tbh, oh well =/) before that a few times before your vid.

Anyway, i was roaming your BL all night tonight with a small team hoping to find you, but alas you only showed up at the tower with the sigh zerg. (which got farmed).

See you around!

I mean do you never stop with the bullkitten? You have been proven wrong so many times now. No, that was not our last attempt. At our last attempt we smashed your treb that sent your entire 60 man zerg “packing”.

There is no proof of anything other than a one minute vid of literally nothing of consequence happening. 60 man zerg lol there was maybe 40 ppl there that night omg.

It’s proof that the so called “straight 4v4” was actually no straight 4v4. You have absolutely no credibility left in anything.

The funny part is you keep making things up even though we obviously have the entire night recorded, and we can prove all your bullkitten wrong.

Mayhem.1935:

Thats pretty funny! I also believe that was your final attempt, right? Because we crunched you guys (as in AD im honestly not sure if you were there tbh, oh well =/) before that a few times before your vid.

Anyway, i was roaming your BL all night tonight with a small team hoping to find you, but alas you only showed up at the tower with the sigh zerg. (which got farmed).

See you around!

I mean do you never stop with the bullkitten? You have been proven wrong so many times now. No, that was not our last attempt. At our last attempt we smashed your treb that sent your entire 60 man zerg “packing”.

Commercially it is doing well.

But it had to sacrifice manifesto, the credibility of the developers, and the experience of the players to achieve it.

Honestly if you play during prime time any server will do, but expect queues in the higher tiers. There is no server that is completely dead, all servers field at least ~150 players during prime time which might not sound like much, but trust me you won’t feel like you are walking around in a ghost town, and action will be plentiful. The lag is also a lot less common in the lower tiers.

The Guardian is stronger in WvW right now, but that doesn’t mean he will always be. I suggest going through the starter zone with both professions and making up your mind after having tried the game play of them both. My friend was dead set on making a Necromancer but gave it up shortly after starting, because the mechanics didn’t feel right to him.

dreztina.4820:

I haven’t played in days but I still read this thread regularly because it’s so amusing. AD is like the OG of t6, except with 2-3 groups. I don’t trash talk anymore, but it’s fun watching you guys keep it going.

Bunzy is the sole reason why I started talking trash on the forums.

Mayhem.1935:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Mayhem.1935:

Gab Superstar.4059:

hyjaxxx.1584:

and to Gab who insinuates that 60 of us cant take anything. thats a fairly wide assumption as events change things happen. ive seen HUGE dr and IoJ zergs get destroyed by 10-12 DH’ers..so its all subjective.

It was just a statement regarding what happened tonight. I’m not saying a 60man DH zerg can’t take anything, they are fairly decent at taking doors down. But when they face some opposition they quickly bend.

60 DH actually came into our BL tonight and actually failed to take anything except the tower outside their spawn (with breakout). At the same time they tried to golem rush VK with another 50+ people. Needless to say that failed also.

I am 100% sure DH has some good commanders, but the way siege was being utilized by Darkhaven tonight was a sad, sad display of sloppiness. Golems being portaled in under cannons, trebs and catapults being placed in Mortar range, catapults being placed in spots where you can take them out with AC’s that can’t be countered… The list goes on.

I was there, skirmishing on the back end around the treb that was set up. Me and my 4 man specifically had a fight with AD and sent them packing. After that they joined up with the DR “zerg” to “win”. It happens on both sides is what im getting at. Every server fields small teams, every server has it’s zergs.

That’s funny. We had two of you downed before your zerg showed up to help. We have footage of that. We also have footage of you running away like a girl and waypointing as soon as you noticed your zerg wasn’t around to support you anymore.

Normally we wouldn’t really care, but you are kind of annoying on the forums.

Dynnen.6405:

Ain’t no fakin here brah, and you don’t gotta lie to kick it

Oh, and what treb were you skirmishing around? The one that you failed to defend against 4 people, when you had 20+?

What? No one downed me, and we had a straight up 4v4 and your guys got mashed there was no zerg there friend. Yea, you got the treb, after getting crushed over and over i guess it was bound to happen. 20+? yea i guess there were.. but most were down by the wall goofing off and doing whatever else zerglings do. I went down for supply, came up everyone is dead and a Mob of DR looking at me. Not my fault your zerg cant catch me /shrug

You are so funny lol. This screenshot is a picture of what actually happened. I took it from the video, which hasn’t rendered properly yet, but I think we can all agree that it was no straight 4v4. I never said anyone downed you, but we did down people. If you want to I can take a screenshot of that and upload too.

Oh, and this is the massive “zerg” that was chasing you. One person.

You are laughable. Really.

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Call the kettle black why don’t you lol

Haha. I guess I can be annoying, yes. But at least I try not to blatantly lie to people

Mayhem.1935:

Gab Superstar.4059:

hyjaxxx.1584:

and to Gab who insinuates that 60 of us cant take anything. thats a fairly wide assumption as events change things happen. ive seen HUGE dr and IoJ zergs get destroyed by 10-12 DH’ers..so its all subjective.

It was just a statement regarding what happened tonight. I’m not saying a 60man DH zerg can’t take anything, they are fairly decent at taking doors down. But when they face some opposition they quickly bend.

60 DH actually came into our BL tonight and actually failed to take anything except the tower outside their spawn (with breakout). At the same time they tried to golem rush VK with another 50+ people. Needless to say that failed also.

I am 100% sure DH has some good commanders, but the way siege was being utilized by Darkhaven tonight was a sad, sad display of sloppiness. Golems being portaled in under cannons, trebs and catapults being placed in Mortar range, catapults being placed in spots where you can take them out with AC’s that can’t be countered… The list goes on.

I was there, skirmishing on the back end around the treb that was set up. Me and my 4 man specifically had a fight with AD and sent them packing. After that they joined up with the DR “zerg” to “win”. It happens on both sides is what im getting at. Every server fields small teams, every server has it’s zergs.

That’s funny. We had two of you downed before your zerg showed up to help. We have footage of that. We also have footage of you running away like a girl and waypointing as soon as you noticed your zerg wasn’t around to support you anymore.

Normally we wouldn’t really care, but you are kind of annoying on the forums.

Dynnen.6405:

Ain’t no fakin here brah, and you don’t gotta lie to kick it

Oh, and what treb were you skirmishing around? The one that you failed to defend against 4 people, when you had 20+?

Vadio.5439:

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Possible Solution

1. Reduce players on map
2. Create new maps with few objective (and ofc alot less people)
   *3 supply camp 3 tower 1 keep NO PVE MOB , NO MERCENARY (can use same layout eternal )
3. Upgrade your wvw clusters

Looks at what match up threads you post in.

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