Guild Wars 2

Yorric Hunt.8214:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Yorric Hunt.8214:

Cant believe FsP wouldn’t let [PRXM] (and friends) do our work experience at Foghaven mill We were there for a hour but all i learnt was how not to portal bomb (taught kindly by FsP) and how to get wiped repeatedly by inferior numbers (Also kindly taught by FsP) We will have to try again later in the week

On the flip side, I am a bit disappointed that PRXM just roll over and die so easily. Multiple times your 15+ groups have been wiped by my group of 5 (one being under leveled, mind you). I find it extraordinarily boring to simply walk over you guys whenever I see you on the field, after hearing all your talk on the forums.

Please PRXM, for the sake of this match up, and for the sake of my fun, please try to not be interrupted during your work experience sessions, as it seems your skills are severely lacking for the task of wiping even the smallest of groups.

Thank you.

Aww did i touch a nerve? Did you wipe earlier? Is your Garrison now made of wood?
Yea we do wipe a few times a evening. Never to 5ppl tho. Maybe your 5 guildies with a traditional 20+ fsp zerg behind you.
Next time i see you guys ill make sure everyone know to fear you though and just /sleep as you arrive Ogreat mighty one.

Okay first off, I don’t know who you are or why you are talking back to me. You are like one of those kittens who call in and cry about scientific bloops to Discovery Channel – completely wrong and not worth a second of thought.

But since you seem to be so persistent, allow me to prove you horribly wrong. The fact that I have single-handedly wiped PRXM multiple times across multiple battlefields is about as scientifically accepted as the fact that I can finish 2½ cups of coffee while doing it. And no, that is not an exceptionally big cup. It includes pouring more 2 times. While Sir David Attenborough does the comments.

Live.

The fact that you mention our garrison being made of wood, is honestly just laughable. Not only is the wood more comfortable to walk across in a cold area such as the one where Garrison is located, but you did the refurbishing entirely for free. We didn’t have to put up a single piece of siege equipment to capture it. You even repaired outer wall after AM’s escapades earlier, as well as a ton of loot bags on the floor, all included in the price.

No my friend, tonight only serves as further confirmation that PRXM are falling politely back into their proper place, as servants to their FSP masters.

alcuin.1257:

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Who did you refer to when you said the “trolls” then? I understand that you want to distance yourself from me, but I find it strange since you in the same post say you have no clue who I am.

As a matter of fact, I, like you, enjoy every part of WvW. I’m not from the US, even though you seem to believe so(?), which does give me sort of a unique position on DR, being pretty much the only EU commander we have. On reset night, when there is plenty of people around, I will usually run with the small roaming guilds we have. During EU morning time, I will typically run solo, being pretty much the only player online from DR during those times, and during EU afternoon and night you will typically find me commanding (the zerg!!!) until our more prevalent commanders come online.

I also find it funny that you say we want Arena Net to cater to roaming squads? I see it quite differently. Why should Arena Net punish us because of how we want to play? Isn’t that exactly what you do not want? After the culling update, culling affects small groups much harsher than large groups (we have 10-15 “slots” reserved for people who don’t exist), and the AoE cap also severely hobbles our ability to compete with larger groups.

Finding strength in numbers is always going to be a part of the game. Crippling people who don’t choose this style of playing more than what is already achieved through superior numbers is really quite unfair.

You always appeared reasonable when I met you in WvW, and honestly this talk of no one caring etc rings quite poorly with me. After all, we are all here to discuss the match up aren’t we? If I perceive the match up in a different way than you, then it is my right to voice that perception.

Johje Holan.4607:

This weekend, even though we were destroying you, you would keep attacking each other. You know what happens when you do that? We steamroll into your weak area because you are occupied with each other.

Thank you for a constructive post. I will let it exemplify some of the things I have said in this thread.

As I have said before (and obviously I cannot speak for all of DR) I and many of my friends have come to terms with the fact that we are a T5 server. This means we want good fighting, not for the scoreboard to show numbers in our favor. After losing for 2 months straight, anyone who wanted that is gone by now. Obviously owning nothing isn’t fun at all, but after having secured “our” parts of the map, at least I don’t care much for if we are going to IoJ or SBI areas.

Therefore, when good fighting can be found with IoJ and not with SBI, it is only natural that we should go to them, not gang up on SBI. Remember too, that fighting IoJ is often a lot more back-and-forth (which means more fun to me) because they, like DR, usually don’t have fully sieged up / upgraded keeps and towers, allowing for stuff to change hands quickly. This change makes the battlefield much more dynamic which in turn makes it a lot more fun.

EnRohbi.2187:

Gab Superstar.4059:

EnRohbi.2187:

Do we really need 3 threads a day about tier 8?

I agree that something should be done, specifically about tier 8 that would hopefully not negatively affect the rest of the game, but spamming the forums is not it.

Yes, we do. What is currently going on in T8 is already starting to slowly creep up into higher tiers as well. Endlessly unbalanced match ups will be the norm soon if nothing is done.

They are already the norm.
The playerbase stacked the top 5~6 servers and left the rest of the game behind.

Unless Anet merges servers or forcibly relocates people out of the top servers,
Then this is what we will have for matches for a very, very long time.

And see my subsequent posts,
Having a problem is not a reason to spam the forums,
The mods will just shut down threads and Devs will never read them.

One thread is enough

The fact that people stacked on the top 5-6 servers is actually not the problem. Hell, I know for a fact that many people on HoD enjoy WvW much more without the huge zergs. No, the problem is the broken rating system.

This thread will be interesting to monitor, with the dungeon changes and all coming tomorrow.

EnRohbi.2187:

Do we really need 3 threads a day about tier 8?

I agree that something should be done, specifically about tier 8 that would hopefully not negatively affect the rest of the game, but spamming the forums is not it.

Yes, we do. What is currently going on in T8 is already starting to slowly creep up into higher tiers as well. Endlessly unbalanced match ups will be the norm soon if nothing is done.

Svarty.8019:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Multiple times your 15+ groups have been wiped by my group of 5 (one being under leveled, mind you). I find it extraordinarily

snip I find it extraordinarily unlikely that you ever have anything smaller than 60 people anywhere on any map. Please don’t come to us with this “handful” gibberish, we know your hands are enormous.

Honey please, when I said 15 everyone knows I was talking about the guys keeping JP safe in your own BL. Everyone knows GH never runs around with anything smaller than a group of 120 players. I have personally wiped these massive zergs with only one mesmer and a superior ballista. You mean nothing to me, and neither does your “gibberish”.

Yorric Hunt.8214:

Cant believe FsP wouldn’t let [PRXM] (and friends) do our work experience at Foghaven mill We were there for a hour but all i learnt was how not to portal bomb (taught kindly by FsP) and how to get wiped repeatedly by inferior numbers (Also kindly taught by FsP) We will have to try again later in the week

On the flip side, I am a bit disappointed that PRXM just roll over and die so easily. Multiple times your 15+ groups have been wiped by my group of 5 (one being under leveled, mind you). I find it extraordinarily boring to simply walk over you guys whenever I see you on the field, after hearing all your talk on the forums.

Please PRXM, for the sake of this match up, and for the sake of my fun, please try to not be interrupted during your work experience sessions, as it seems your skills are severely lacking for the task of wiping even the smallest of groups.

Thank you.

Aiyumu.3542:

Haha I remember seeing the [WM] tag with Warr Machine spelling. I pointed, laughed, and proceeded to roll them over with my allies.

It’s rare to see SBI wvw thread full of 90% whining. Probably cause we we’re usually the one being slaughtered until now. I think they have bigger zerg and coverage of keyboard warriors

That’s funny, because all posts from DR seem to actually contain some content, and they aren’t outright hostile either. I wish I could say the same for the people on SBI’s side, but that’s simply not possible with incoherent rambling like yours.

And don’t worry, everything with WM was recorded. Unless you consider a 10v5 versus warriors who do nothing but run in a clump and spam auto attack “rolling”, you won’t be able to provide a lot of proof to back your words up.

Gravy.7589:

Honeslty, I think most of us on SBI wish DR and IOJ would push us more. The push last Thursday was great as both IOJ and DR hit us hard at the same time during a two hour period. 2v1 happens and its totally fine. We freaked a bit and then started to push back. I would say we were outnumbered in our own BL for a good bit.

Pushing is very problematic when we have paper everything after the SBI night capping, whereas everything in your BL is fully upgraded and sieged up. This is obviously not your fault. I mean, who wouldn’t upgrade their stuff? But you still have to understand that it is extremely hard to accomplish anything in your BL, except on reset night (where DR has held 2 keeps both times).

I hardly even read these interviews anymore. Absolutely no information is offered in any form.

It was honestly quite pathetic when even their “official” post on the forums consisted of nothing more than “this is definitely on our table, but we haven’t looked at it yet”, or “adding this to WvW is something we would really like to do, but we just don’t know how to do it yet”.

It’s all just a game that they are playing to keep people interested, while in reality they are doing absolutely nothing to change WvW.

Joey.3928:

To the DR sylvari thief with [btsy] (I think? Baltimore something) guild tag, you are a trixy plant.

It seems you met M Black lol.

alcuin.1257:

Bottom line is my theory is a lot of these people that jump onto forums and complain about numbers etc. TEND TO BE newer to wvw (not all but it’s more prevalent). They get into it and get frustrated at some of the imbalance and think they’ve got this brilliant idea that X server is beating Y server due to numbers and has no skill otherwise. ETC.ETC.ETC.

Actually, both me and many others have stated that we are not losing because of numbers, but because of coverage. Therefore I think your post is very unjustified.
When you see me complaining about SBI only running around in their <large number of players>, it is not because we are losing due to it. On the contrary, it’s a major reason why we do so well in prime time.

My gripe with SBI is their (faked?) ignorance of their superior coverage, and that they 1) admit that we will be stuck with this match up for a long time, but 2) they still play in a way that is less oriented towards fun, and instead oriented towards gaining points.

When playing EB we had tons of fight clubs, epic 3h stand offs at towers that meant jack-kitten in the larger picture, and many smaller teams break away from their larger guilds in favor of roaming around, making all maps much much more vivid. In this match up, if you are not at the center of battle, you are very unlikely to find enemy players at all, and yes, this hurts many preferred play styles.

Krash.9486:

Gab Superstar.4059:

WanderingOsprey.2497:

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I agree with you. We on DR realize we are a T5 server, and that we will most likely be stuck here for a long, long time. This means we (at least I, and many of my friends) value the combative aspects of WvW far more than the race for points. It’s nice to win, but after having lost for ~2months straight, any people who only cared for winning are long gone.

The problem is that it seems SBI does not share this mentality. For example, instead of defending our BL after you night cap it, you choose to leave it and let us PvD for 30min every day. When we were fighting Maguuma, they always captured our bay, upgraded it fully, and defended it ferociously throughout the week, recapturing it should it fall. Should a sizeable DR force appear in DRBL while you are PvDooring it, you are often quick to leave it for another zone where points may more easily be obtained too. And instead of defending a tower in EB, you choose to treb it from your keep after we take it and move on. We used to have epic 2-3 hour battles over single towers when fighting Ehmry Bay.

Also, both EB and DR have competent small groups that used to go around zerg-busting. When these groups met by coincidence, epicness ensued. I have never had encounters like these with SBI.

You are right though, I shouldn’t generalize. Me complaining about SBI playing for points might seem weird, but it is taking away from the fun that I could be having (probably a month from now, too), and that makes me a little frustrated.

Why won’t you believe that we DO NOT have the population to cap your BL and then assign people to upgrade and defend it? Most of our WvW guilds left before the free server transfers stopped. In fact it feels like to me that DR has more numbers.

Here is a picture from DRBL Saturday! Notable features include;

- 20 SBI at bay.
- 20 SBI at hills.
- Outmanned buff for DR.
- The grand total of six (6) DR in bay, and the one (1) DR player in hills.

But yeah, DR probably has more numbers. I mean, we have stuff in EB right? Our huge zerg must be there, because you know, we have more numbers. Surely they will come to save DRBL after we ask them to. Right?

But… How come we only have 145 points? It’s almost as if we don’t have anything in EB, and only hold our own BL, and a few camps in other maps. Oh well. At least we still have the numbers in this match up.

WanderingOsprey.2497:

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I agree with you. We on DR realize we are a T5 server, and that we will most likely be stuck here for a long, long time. This means we (at least I, and many of my friends) value the combative aspects of WvW far more than the race for points. It’s nice to win, but after having lost for ~2months straight, any people who only cared for winning are long gone.

The problem is that it seems SBI does not share this mentality. For example, instead of defending our BL after you night cap it, you choose to leave it and let us PvD for 30min every day. When we were fighting Maguuma, they always captured our bay, upgraded it fully, and defended it ferociously throughout the week, recapturing it should it fall. Should a sizeable DR force appear in DRBL while you are PvDooring it, you are often quick to leave it for another zone where points may more easily be obtained too. And instead of defending a tower in EB, you choose to treb it from your keep after we take it and move on. We used to have epic 2-3 hour battles over single towers when fighting Ehmry Bay.

Also, both EB and DR have competent small groups that used to go around zerg-busting. When these groups met by coincidence, epicness ensued. I have never had encounters like these with SBI.

You are right though, I shouldn’t generalize. Me complaining about SBI playing for points might seem weird, but it is taking away from the fun that I could be having (probably a month from now, too), and that makes me a little frustrated.

earendil.1290:

Well – at first I checked the guild tags – seen some that would never do camp spawn in their lives – KT, AB, Heet etc.

Then I realized:
- The fight was at a side exit from the citadel…hardly a camp spawn point

- The groups was heading to Spirit

- SBI was attacking the Garrison and this group was probably heading there

So – try harder. Also I find it impolite to post a pic where your party uses an F word against SBI (not that we don’t – we don’t show it) Could’ve erased that part.

You sure are quite amusing. I am confident that running through our Citadel is not the way to Spiritholme (I mean, you can clearly see multiple people running TOWARDS the portal). And that side exit IS the fastest way to Garrison, believe it or not. You know, the place we were trying to defend? I do recall WM spawn camping a lot too, I think Oozo has a video of it even, so I guess it’s not too shocking that SBI would follow suit.

Regarding the SBI part, I am pretty sure neither you or me have any clue what the context is, and as such it would probably have been better to ignore it.

Chaosky.5276:

SBI here – it’s not like I prefer running around in a zerg in which my contributions are minimized, but smaller groups rarely form, and I’m a nobody, so people won’t listen to me.

Besides, Grundlebad (a commander) is awesome.

Is he from KT? They have a fairly good commander from my experience. Charr I think.

Maladon.5760:

etiolate.9185:

I find it telling that SBI has had an increase in participation since dropping down to a more ‘livable’ bracket. I would conclude that more people play if they feel they have a chance to win or do something of any meaning.

If ANet just removed the score and allowed the map situation to dictate interest then it could help overall participation.

I don’t think it’s the score that’s brought anyone back. It’s the fact that we’re not being camped at our portals most likely. Very few people want to step out into the WvW zone and instantly be targeted by siege equipment.

I couldn’t agree more on the spawn camping part.

Krash.9486:

Gab Superstar.4059:

earendil.1290:

To all SBI ers – they be trolling us. Skillfully, almost funny but still

They belong to a sad group of WvWers – the ones that wanted to have GvG, guild team vs guild team, small numbers with high coordination. Nothing wrong with that – just that ANet seems to avoid providing this. They are the “dedicated” PvPers that enjoy the GW2 PvP mechanics but loathe the WvW structure, that does not really reward the high skilled small groups.

We had people like this on SBI you know them – it’s mostly thanks to them that we got to T1. Also – they were the ones to leave – apparently the current T1 is the place to do this type of competition.

The annoying part is when they start criticizing others for “zerging”, “not roaming in small groups”, or “being low skilled players”. Who cares if it’s right – it is them who are in the wrong place not us.

A good analogy would be a group of high level soccer players that have no dedicated practice or competing context, so they have to share the public court with casuals and kids playing for fun. They will have fun for a while but after that they will not like that the opponents who are 3 times their numbers will defeat them and complain about zerg", unskilled opposition and so on …

Here is to hoping Anet gives them the playing ground they are looking for.

Wow. We are not trolling you. We just were bored last night, so me and 4 others decided to roll GS / Rifle warriors, and run around in a clump spamming auto attack. Someone came up with the brilliant idea of creating a guild called “Warr Machine”, record the whole thing, and then post it on the forums under the title “Are we ready for T1 yet?”. Anyway, we went into EB after a while and people started saying that WM had joined DR etc and it kind of caught on from there.

And your analogy is quite poor. It takes thousands of hours to become a football pro, whereas it takes a few minutes for someone to leave the zerg and start accomplishing things on their own. Seriously, whenever I command EB against you guys I know for a fact that you will have ONE big zerg running around, and hardly anyone doing anything else. That is why you lose when numbers are equal. The only reason we don’t completely stomp SBI during prime time is because we have paper everything while you can hide behind fully upgraded and fully sieged up towers and keeps.

And that is also why you are seeing a high level of frustration among some players from DR. We know that we beat you in terms of organization (coming from DR, that is saying a lot), but still those points on the scoreboard will endlessly keep going up for you guys, because you can constantly field 30+ players in multiple borderlands, while DR has a prime time of about 3-4 hours, and then perhaps ~15 players total in all maps past that.

I understand that things can look very different from different perspectives. And I do not intend to get into a back and forth exchange with anyone on this forum that will just tarnish the good times MOST players on all servers are having in this match up.

Are there times we have more players then you…of course. There are other times that we are massively outnumbered as well! REALLY!! It does not seem to me to be any particular time frame either. It is very inconstant. I am not on at all time however so there may be times everyday that we have players and you don’t IDK.

Admittedly I have personally participated in what turned out to be PvDoor. And this was in prime time. I don’t know what the circumstance were. But we found almost ALL of DR devoid of defenders. I commented several times on TS how disappointing it was and how it was NOT fun. But what do you do when you attack a keep and find no defenders? Leave it alone? That would be bad tactics as well.

I have also been one of those few defenders as I watched a completely upgraded Garrison taken down by a DR zerg of 30+ and 6 golems! I saluted and did not cry out you PvDooring zerggers!!

It is part of the game. I wish they could introduce a mechanic that would ensure balanced coverage and leave the winning to skill alone but I don’t know how that would be done.

I have also been in groups of 10-15 when we wiped groups of 30 or more. AND Vesa Versa!

You can always find examples of good and bad game play on every server. To point out one and say that is indicative of the whole server all the time is just silly.

I don’t care so much for the PvDoor you guys engage in. When I said PvD I meant the fact that we (DR) have to turn a completely undefended DRBL and then EB corner before any real action can take place. Every day.

And afaik we have only taken garrison once this match up. It was with 5 golems and 2 mesmers, + 2-3 puggies we picked up along the way. No 30+ zerg here.

earendil.1290:

To all SBI ers – they be trolling us. Skillfully, almost funny but still

They belong to a sad group of WvWers – the ones that wanted to have GvG, guild team vs guild team, small numbers with high coordination. Nothing wrong with that – just that ANet seems to avoid providing this. They are the “dedicated” PvPers that enjoy the GW2 PvP mechanics but loathe the WvW structure, that does not really reward the high skilled small groups.

We had people like this on SBI you know them – it’s mostly thanks to them that we got to T1. Also – they were the ones to leave – apparently the current T1 is the place to do this type of competition.

The annoying part is when they start criticizing others for “zerging”, “not roaming in small groups”, or “being low skilled players”. Who cares if it’s right – it is them who are in the wrong place not us.

A good analogy would be a group of high level soccer players that have no dedicated practice or competing context, so they have to share the public court with casuals and kids playing for fun. They will have fun for a while but after that they will not like that the opponents who are 3 times their numbers will defeat them and complain about zerg", unskilled opposition and so on …

Here is to hoping Anet gives them the playing ground they are looking for.

Wow. We are not trolling you. We just were bored last night, so me and 4 others decided to roll GS / Rifle warriors, and run around in a clump spamming auto attack. Someone came up with the brilliant idea of creating a guild called “Warr Machine”, record the whole thing, and then post it on the forums under the title “Are we ready for T1 yet?”. Anyway, we went into EB after a while and people started saying that WM had joined DR etc and it kind of caught on from there.

And your analogy is quite poor. It takes thousands of hours to become a football pro, whereas it takes a few minutes for someone to leave the zerg and start accomplishing things on their own. Seriously, whenever I command EB against you guys I know for a fact that you will have ONE big zerg running around, and hardly anyone doing anything else. That is why you lose when numbers are equal. The only reason we don’t completely stomp SBI during prime time is because we have paper everything while you can hide behind fully upgraded and fully sieged up towers and keeps.

And that is also why you are seeing a high level of frustration among some players from DR. We know that we beat you in terms of organization (coming from DR, that is saying a lot), but still those points on the scoreboard will endlessly keep going up for you guys, because you can constantly field 30+ players in multiple borderlands, while DR has a prime time of about 3-4 hours, and then perhaps ~15 players total in all maps past that.

After a while the fact that you have to PvD for 1h before the real fighting can start, and spending ~100g on upgrades every day becomes extremely tiresome. When the strategic aspects of WvW turn into a boredom, you look for other aspects of it to occupy you while you wait for another match up. That usually means trying to find good fighting, something I am struggling with very hard against SBI.

I think you are also seeing the effect of months of unbalanced match ups, and the sad part is there is no sign of it stopping. SBI will undoubtedly eventually move up, and another T4 server will take your place, and win by just as large margins. Unless major changes happen, the cycle will repeat forever.

EricDravin.8947:

2/23/13 IoJ (UnS) vs DR
45min skirmish for fun over Umber supply camp, gj to both sides.. lets keep the fun up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55qEtBqj7CI&feature=youtu.be

Try to include TS chatter, it makes the video 10 times more enjoyable.

Nope, nothing will change here.

They do however, intend on making the 5 AoE cap apply to capturing objectives. Apparently too much money was being generated from capturing towers.

I deleted my 80 guardian.

Norns are lame.

EDIT: I still have 7 level 80’s.

fivekiller.1432:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Implement-Winner-Moves-Up-Loser-Moves-Down/page/3#post1455783

Some people, including me argue for winner up loser down.

Some people, including me argue for changes to the math.

Arenanet seems content though, and this is what matters most. Perhaps in March we will see something done.

I think their glicko system could work with some minor adjustments along with a ratings reset that does not simply set the ratings all to 1500.

The main problem with its current state is its a system that wants to lock servers into tiers. In the design phase the system designers made the erroneous assumption that the WvW system would be capable of reasonably balanced matchups. We are now suffering the consequences of that error.

I don’t think winner up / loser down is a good idea. It has far too much potential to screw up actual good match ups. That being said, a rating reset and a change to the rating system would be much appreciated. Give ratings a floor of 1000, and then reset t8 servers to 1100, t7 server to 1200 etc.

Yohimbe.1876:

Talking about SBI’s ‘numbers’ will still make us shake our heads, considering the size of the groups DR and IoJ have flung at us.

And posts like this will still make me shake my head. Having a lot of people on your server is totally cool. Faking ignorance is not.

Waypointing golems is the real culprit.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Nonetheless this will be a great week, goodluck everyone!

I honestly disagree on this one. I would much prefer fighting Ehmry Bay than SBI.

There is a period of 2-3h during the day where we can match or outnumber SBI, the rest of the time I am constantly seeing outmanned buff.

Does SBI poop golems?

:)

50 15characters

They most likely had to introduce some emergency fix.

Probably a reduce in dye drop rate or something similar.

I sincerely hope that they add some cosmetics to people who WvW a lot too.

Titles, armor sets, effects, anything is welcome at this point.

earendil.1290:

There is no stomping or spawn camping – top I’ve seen was 400ppt for SBI. both IoJ and DR have their BLs under control usually and they do make occasional runs in EB or other BLs. They both had 250+ ppt at moments during the week.

DR has a solid presence, with structure havoc and groups, not to mention roaming soloers. Map scale strategy (a group of thieves that kept sniping our dolyaks and flip our SE camp to prevent us from upgrading Hills). And so on.

Look – SBI got carried away since it is the first time in ages we are on the top of the tier but we are not Kaineng or EB. We are probably losing Elo points and are going to be with you guys for a long time. Let’s try to make the experience enjoyable for all, regardless of the score. We do respect our tier partners and hope to have good battles.

We are not playing in the World Cup like some of the T1-2 think they are. We are playing a friendly game in the park behind our block. Let’s treat it this way.

When people grow tired of having a 6 Golem rush on their keep at 4am server time on a weekday they will grow tired of WvW, and wait for a new match up. Having to shell out a ton of money every day is tiresome when you know you are just gonna lose whatever you throw it at in a few hours anyway.

We did quite well against both Maguuma and EB during the first week of those match ups, but I doubt next week will be as even as this week.

Oh, and SBI has well over 500 potential points atm.

I absolutely LOVE large scale combat. An epic battle across the forest north of Valley Keep? 50 players battling for control over Redvale? I’m all for it!

But running around in a 2×2m box and pressing 1 is NOT large scale combat. It’s just kitten

Not really millions of players. I thought they had sold 2 million accounts? Many people have multiple accounts, and many people got banned and bought new etc. It would be unreasonable to think that Arena Net could maintain over 100,000 players in WvW at all times. That being said, something needs to be done to incentivize people to transfer over to lower populated servers. The issue is much much more prominent there.

Lack of rewards and cosmetics is a big part of the problem I think.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Gab Superstar.4059:

lim.3687:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Trying to take Wild Creek from Stormbluff, what a kitten of a tower to take!
Having 2 attempts at it, both times having the wall down to 10%, never ended up taking it! Wish DR had pushed a little harder onto SBI instead of taking our undefended Ogrewatch tower…
But great defense by SBI, you guys really dont want to lose that tower, but we will get it one day, you can bank on that! >:]

Good Job!!

Well that confirms it. This match up would be 10 times better without your guild in it.

Disagree.

They seem like a very nice guild. They play at a different timezone, but that is not their fault. The problem should be solved by anet, not by attacks on a guild.
I am sure that we will get a good oceanic presence too, eventually.

KIWI, sorry for some of our players being a bit angry at posts like that.
But they do have a point about posting these when the other servers have much less pop.

All in all this match up has been great. There are times when sbi outnumbers us, yes.
They also have greater coverage, but does it make the match up bad? What other server do you think will be a better fit? EB? They have even more pop than SBI, and much better coordination.

Also, props to our Oceanic guilds/solos if you guys/girls exist. Haven’t seen you, but from the score it looks like you rock!

PS:SBI thank you for keeping our score low. The last thing we need is to go to a higher tier. At least now we can roam.

I think you misunderstand. I am fine with people playing in a different time zone. It’s annoying, yes, but I am fine with it. Hell, I am from Europe so I would know what I am talking about.

But when they have to come on the forums and be kitten about it towards people who don’t deserve it I have a problem.

lim.3687:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Trying to take Wild Creek from Stormbluff, what a kitten of a tower to take!
Having 2 attempts at it, both times having the wall down to 10%, never ended up taking it! Wish DR had pushed a little harder onto SBI instead of taking our undefended Ogrewatch tower…
But great defense by SBI, you guys really dont want to lose that tower, but we will get it one day, you can bank on that! >:]

Good Job!!

Well that confirms it. This match up would be 10 times better without your guild in it.

Too Frisky.9165:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Awlbiste.1803:

Gab Superstar.4059:

The difference in coverage and population is staggering between Tier 4 and Tier 5.

This. While SBI may look like we have large numbers to tier 5 (although it seems to me we are pretty matched with DR for numbers) in tiers 1-4 we were vastly outnumbered since the end of free transfers.

Last night (between 6pm and 1am eastern, when I was playing) we had some amazing fights on the SBI and DR BLs. Props to DR for some nailbiters and really pushing us hard to give it all we’ve got.

DR is nowhere near equal to SBI in terms of numbers. Comparing server population during Friday / Saturday night is kinda foolish.

I’m assuming you are a DR player.

You can assume whatever you want. I can for example assume you are from SBI.

The fact, however, is that we have had Outmanned flip on and off in EB tonight.

Awlbiste.1803:

Gab Superstar.4059:

The difference in coverage and population is staggering between Tier 4 and Tier 5.

This. While SBI may look like we have large numbers to tier 5 (although it seems to me we are pretty matched with DR for numbers) in tiers 1-4 we were vastly outnumbered since the end of free transfers.

Last night (between 6pm and 1am eastern, when I was playing) we had some amazing fights on the SBI and DR BLs. Props to DR for some nailbiters and really pushing us hard to give it all we’ve got.

DR is nowhere near equal to SBI in terms of numbers. Comparing server population during Friday / Saturday night is kinda foolish.

Allilliawen.7104:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Having a lot of fun in Eternal tonight, holding overlook against hordes of SBI!
May i just ask what was SBIs plan when they were through the outer door? You guys just stayed there taking constant siege aoe, dying, giving us so much karma, badges and money! Im not complaining, just want to know if there was a strategy behind that or not, was a good laugh for us, thats for sure.

I do know it’s the first time in months any one has used the adjective ‘hordes’ to describe our numbers though.

The difference in coverage and population is staggering between Tier 4 and Tier 5. Ehmry Bay won with 323,000 points last week, and are now last in Tier 4. This is why Tier 5 will continue to be horribly boring.

The second fight in the first video is even worse. You can clearly see we have no clue FTF is even there until we pass the tower. Most of us are running straight for the camp at that point.

ViperWire.4261:

I think I died irl reading that

Actually, I can confirm that I died irl while reading this xD

Let’s hope they do not answer like this though

Problem is that most of those responses actually sound like something they would say.

There’s nothing fun about that.

KStudios.2850:

pixieish.9627:

Feh! Missed out on the glorious DR retaking the Stonemist castle from the evil EBay (they eat yak babies), but I was around to help keep the castle in our rightful hands. They were being pretty frelling persistent over it, the moment I got there the outer gates were down, and a desperate back and forth struggle for the Castle Lord’s poorly decorated living room soon began, with the only thing keeping the horde at bay was a fairly sufficient number of ballistas. (I managed to get a small carpet worth of glowing bags at my feet as we desperately shot bolts repeatedly outside the door.)

We push you back, fix the doors, and of course you break them down again, and it’s back to the ballista. You had me a bit worried when you brought up those great many golems again (a familiar strategy for ebay), but… well, ballistas.

Sadly dinner soon interrupted my fun, but personally I think it was one of our best Thursdays ever.

Took you guys that long? Gone is the Devona’s of last week, that used to cap SM almost on a nightly basis while I’m away at work? We’ve been anticipating you guys putting up a good show of force for a while now. Here lately the instances some of your boys did show up we didn’t even bother responding. Was so bad yesterday morning we were in the middle of sacking Quentin from IoJ, who had completely dug in proper, that when you guys started trebbing SM from Anz, all we inquired of our spotter was, “is Anz still made of wood?” The forthcoming anwser to this seemingly simple, yet very telling, question being that it was, we all went back to what we were doing. To your credit though, you guys usually do a pretty good job of keeping the Overlook. Though we like stealing it from you and then abandoning it every now and again, just to give you guys something to rebuild.

I’ll be back around 7 AM central time, we’ll see if we can’t entertain you all.

Not exactly sure what time frame you are talking about but I did throw up a treb to counter yours after we captured Anzalias. It’s pretty much the only way to get it upgraded. It was never intended to siege SM with. Once we had secured our own parts of EB taking SM was pretty quick. 5 trebs at Overlook and 6 Golems, and it took us just about 30min to take if after some epic action from one of my favorite mesmers.

What happened 1h after we had captured it though, was just a sad showing of how much DR has to learn. I left for DRBL and when I came back, multiple trebs sat in SM doing absolutely nothing while you freely upgraded Klovan and Wildcreek.

It was by far the most fun day in this match up however, so kudos to everyone in EB and DR who made it happen.

This video must be manipulated.

You killed people from [OG].

Don’t be mediocre at the game.

Burl.9567:

They were delayed until March.

Which still doesn’t change the fact that we have no clue what’s going to be in that update.

Ehm… Many people finished AC explorable after having just hit level 35 on the week after release. They were in blue / green gear and had no clue how dungeons worked in GW2, let alone how to play the game properly.

So yeah, it’s a L2P issue.

Biggest problem is that a server has to pay upwards of 100g to upgrade stuff in the day, only to lose it again in the night.

But then again the whole upgrading system and its costs are so kittenty they deserve their own thread.

Matt.7413:

Kaleygh.1524:

Matt.7413:

You guys massively out number us, as proven tonight, where ever we go we you guys are there with massive numbers.

I actually thought you were serious until i read this. Maybe you got me wrong, I was talking about the numbers your server can bring in a map, not the numbers YOUR GUILD can bring.
My guild can bring like 3 people in wvw atm so whatever gvg you guys are dreaming about it`s probably not going to happen.
As for the rest of the stuff you guys posted is the same old defensive bs showing your inability or unwillingness to use anything else than what you are currently using.
Linking videos does not impress me at all, and i can say the same about the attitude of your guildmembers.
/care

Tell you what, I’ll change the tactics of FURY when you wipe us, only seems fair does it not?

It’s time to man up.

Sumwun.3846:

Gab Superstar.4059:

namkaeng.8452:

L
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvhCO7G16uM

“Wow” is all I can say lol.

Mad props, winning against those numbers is extremely hard if only due to the ability they have to res people so easily.

Indeed.

Gab, I happened across a few of your EU Vs NA posts. I was amazing to see how much more emphasis EU puts on technique over zerging. it’s too bad Americans will follow any idiot who is willing to talk really loud. I met a few of those this weekend

It’s great to play with these guys. It really is. They are good people to have fighting on your side. They kick butt, and they don’t actually need to tell anyone how good they are, they just go do it. Something I think a lot of DR could learn. I’m more and more happy to have the QQ gang settle with us and jive so well with existing talented gamers.

Well I’d say the best part of the EU server I play on currently is that there is a massive TS where EVERY guild is. I have been pushing AD a little to go on DRTS, and I know Dynnen went there last weekend, because of how much easier it is for you to communicate with us, so that we can focus our efforts accordingly instead of picking a map and then running around trying to find the enemy, when someone else could do that so easily for us.

It is ridiculously easy to shift the focus from one map to another on my EU server, because everyone is just a channel change away. That, and the open weekly meetings where anyone is free to join, plus the many guilds dedicated to coordinating WvW players, such as one for people who play in the night / early morning server time go a long way towards achieving the level of coordination I was talking about in that thread .

namkaeng.8452:

Low population DR!? Yupyup, but i’m – we are enjoying WvW.

I had good fights with Ehmry Bay finest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvhCO7G16uM

“Wow” is all I can say lol.

Mad props, winning against those numbers is extremely hard if only due to the ability they have to res people so easily.

Vodka.3958:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Vodka.3958:

Gab Superstar.4059:

EU WvW is twice as good, organized and active as NA WvW.

Here’s a link to sum up this entire thread.

I base my opinions on actual experience, having played on both NA and EU servers. Do you have any similar experience to talk from?

Didn’t think so.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

From my experience in NA, I’ve seen some amazing WvW based servers where they use strategy and tactics instead of the common zerging and then I’ve seen PvE/PvX based servers that use no skill at all. Blackgate is arguably the most strategic server in the game with many organized guilds that know what they are doing in W3. They have a community that is close-knit and share ideas to better themselves in WvW and practice everyday to be the best. Hearing someone say that NA isn’t as skilled as EU is laughable. Come to Blackgate and we’ll easily prove you wrong.

Oh wow you sound like a certain D/D ele on Maguuma, and we all know how useful it is to argue with him.

I’m out of here >.<

Vodka.3958:

Gab Superstar.4059:

EU WvW is twice as good, organized and active as NA WvW.

Here’s a link to sum up this entire thread.

I base my opinions on actual experience, having played on both NA and EU servers. Do you have any similar experience to talk from?

Didn’t think so.